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Andy823

(11,495 posts)
Sun Jul 26, 2015, 02:06 PM Jul 2015

Oil is down to around $48 a barrel

Last year it was up around $103 a barrel. Last year the local gas prices where I live were around $3.60, this year we are at $3.29. The $3.29 price has been the same since around the middle of June. Oil is down $55 a barrel, and yet gas prices are only down .31 cents. When oil prices started going up this spring, the price at the pump went up at least every other week, and in june it was every week until it hit the $3.29 mark.

What is it in your area? I know that congress won't address this issue, not with republicans in charge of both houses, but it seems that once again, the consumers are getting the shaft at the pump while the oil and gas companies are trying to make back all the money they lost last fall, and winter.

Total GREED if you as me.

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Oil is down to around $48 a barrel (Original Post) Andy823 Jul 2015 OP
They're still successfully gouging us in California at around $4.00 a gallon villager Jul 2015 #1
plus a million! SoapBox Jul 2015 #23
Exactly -- the excuses never change, and the prices stay artificially high villager Jul 2015 #37
California is an island for the purposes of crude oil Sen. Walter Sobchak Jul 2015 #42
Three cardinal rules: Orrex Jul 2015 #2
.... Scurrilous Jul 2015 #12
Outside of Chicago 2.64 ChairmanAgnostic Jul 2015 #3
Just filled up for 4.55/gal GummyBearz Jul 2015 #4
$2.69 Tree-Hugger Jul 2015 #5
Southwest Ohio - Just filled today @ 2.69/gallon - minus .10 Kroger pts = $2.59. nt No Vested Interest Jul 2015 #21
Hey neighbor!! It was $2.58/gal here in Kettering and Centerville today!! madinmaryland Jul 2015 #24
North Tempe/South Scottsdale ChazII Jul 2015 #6
Time to have another refinery "accident" thelordofhell Jul 2015 #7
You are 100% correct Jim Beard Jul 2015 #14
Ranging between $2.89 and $2.65 going west along US Hwy 18 from Milw. HereSince1628 Jul 2015 #8
Not at least a little greedy to want cheaper gas at the pump? The2ndWheel Jul 2015 #9
Well Andy823 Jul 2015 #11
It's called a scam Facility Inspector Jul 2015 #10
Cry free enterprise and let slip the dogs of greed. n/t Scurrilous Jul 2015 #13
Our gas raised 10-12 cents, this week. Frustratedlady Jul 2015 #15
Around $2.45 around Tampa. Fuddnik Jul 2015 #16
Keep up with daily crude oil prices with this link Jim Beard Jul 2015 #17
2.40's here in Georgia n2doc Jul 2015 #18
Around $2.50 in Colorado. mountain grammy Jul 2015 #19
Americans are getting the shaft EVERYWHERE. Not just gas prices. loudsue Jul 2015 #20
+1 laundry_queen Jul 2015 #28
It will be interesting to see what happens when/if jomin41 Jul 2015 #22
Taxes add about 49 cents/gal. (fed/state/local} average. jomin41 Jul 2015 #25
Gas in my world went up .20 a gallon last week. Funny? No? eom Cleita Jul 2015 #26
Time for a New War. Octafish Jul 2015 #27
Once they realized people will pay $4/gallon during the GWB years gvstn Jul 2015 #29
Yep. joshcryer Jul 2015 #41
Oh no! How can the oil companies expect to survive!!!!???? Of course, Obabma is to blame! Dark n Stormy Knight Jul 2015 #30
It's getting real close to the price of war... kentuck Jul 2015 #31
I suspect it has something to do with the "crack spread," which is The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2015 #32
The only other viable options other than public shaming are to break up the oil cartels or nationalize them. Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #33
Well they claim it's going down in Chicago. Stellar Jul 2015 #34
And what about diesel? Andy823 Jul 2015 #35
This decrease in price per gallon has saved me between..... wolfie001 Jul 2015 #36
We had gas below $2.00 for a few weeks in Chicagoland about 8 or 9 months back tritsofme Jul 2015 #38
$2.80-3.00/gallon in Mpls. hifiguy Jul 2015 #39
I got gas for $2.09/gal yesterday in Athens, TN. It was $2.12/gal but I got a 3 cents/gal discount Ghost in the Machine Jul 2015 #40
traveling today i saw diesel cheaper than regular gas spanone Jul 2015 #43
It should be Andy823 Jul 2015 #44
it always was until recent years..... spanone Jul 2015 #46
Rural Virginia, 2.199 this morning. n/t phylny Jul 2015 #45
Saw $2.06 at Valero in Mesquite, TX a little while ago. Looks like the price is dropping from ChisolmTrailDem Jul 2015 #47
 

villager

(26,001 posts)
1. They're still successfully gouging us in California at around $4.00 a gallon
Sun Jul 26, 2015, 02:10 PM
Jul 2015

The various lines they get everyone to buy into the gouging are "offline refineries," "California is an island," and the "summer mix" of gas.

This seems to be enough to not question prices that remain completely anomalous for weeks, or months, on end.

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
23. plus a million!
Sun Jul 26, 2015, 04:34 PM
Jul 2015

The same...old...excuses...that we have heard for YEARS.

I've been here for almost 30 years and it's the same old lies.

 

villager

(26,001 posts)
37. Exactly -- the excuses never change, and the prices stay artificially high
Sun Jul 26, 2015, 05:21 PM
Jul 2015

Might be one thing if the high prices were funding meaningful alternatives to fossil fuel use -- but this is just the blatant fattening of oil company bottom lines, in a market where they can "get away with it," since prices are otherwise trending downward...

 

Sen. Walter Sobchak

(8,692 posts)
42. California is an island for the purposes of crude oil
Sun Jul 26, 2015, 06:12 PM
Jul 2015

But I'm not anticipating a huge outpouring of support for the Kinder Morgan Freedom Pipeline project. 250,000 barrels a day from Winkler County Texas to San Emidio California.

Orrex

(63,243 posts)
2. Three cardinal rules:
Sun Jul 26, 2015, 02:13 PM
Jul 2015

When oil prices go up, gas prices go up.
When oil prices go down, gas prices go up.
When oil prices stay the same, gas prices go up.

 

GummyBearz

(2,931 posts)
4. Just filled up for 4.55/gal
Sun Jul 26, 2015, 02:18 PM
Jul 2015

July 2014:
Oil was $105/barrel
Gas in southern California was $4.08/gal

July 2015:
Oil is $48/barrel
I just filled up in southern California for $4.55/gal


Of course this missing piece to this puzzle is "REAL" inflation. Not the fake inflation that excludes energy, rent, housing, food, etc. If you do a quick calculation using the ratios of $/barrel/$/gallon with the above numbers, inflation is roughly 250%/year.

Tree-Hugger

(3,370 posts)
5. $2.69
Sun Jul 26, 2015, 02:21 PM
Jul 2015

This is the lowest it's been for a bit. It had been dropping steadily at the beginning of the year, then rose steadily at the beginning of Spring. We were told, "oh, it's just because they are switching to the Summer blend. Prices will drop shortly." Nope, prices did not drop. We had a few weeks of rising prices. Then, it would drop a penny, rise two pennies, drop a penny....etc. Prices did go down three cents this weekend. Wooooooo!

Oh, I am in SEPA.

ChazII

(6,206 posts)
6. North Tempe/South Scottsdale
Sun Jul 26, 2015, 02:22 PM
Jul 2015

Around $.2.95 per gal at the 87 grade. We have the summer blend right now.

 

Jim Beard

(2,535 posts)
14. You are 100% correct
Sun Jul 26, 2015, 02:56 PM
Jul 2015

They have it all figured out how to screw us. I live close to the Midland/Odessa area and last time it was this low, gas sold for $1.95. Currently in my town, it is selling for $2.61 but just 60 miles away, in Lubbock, it is $2.30. The convience stores have it figured out. They have their prices "stair stepped" whan leaving the larger city. Its amazying how the price can go up 10 cents a callon every 20 miles.

Thugs, everyone of them.

The2ndWheel

(7,947 posts)
9. Not at least a little greedy to want cheaper gas at the pump?
Sun Jul 26, 2015, 02:34 PM
Jul 2015

Knowing how its use contributes to many different problems?

Andy823

(11,495 posts)
11. Well
Sun Jul 26, 2015, 02:41 PM
Jul 2015

"If" the extra money was actually going into say a fund for research for alternative fuel sources, then I would not have a problem. However when it goes into the pockets of multi billionaires, then I have a problem with it. Many people spend a lot of money getting back and forth to work, higher prices for fuel hit them hardest. I see where some places here are lower, and that's great, but over $4.00 is insane.



Frustratedlady

(16,254 posts)
15. Our gas raised 10-12 cents, this week.
Sun Jul 26, 2015, 03:01 PM
Jul 2015

It was stuck at $2.59 for weeks, then jumped to $2.69 and up.

Our groceries haven't gone down all that time, either. In fact, the meat is outrageous and the cans/boxes keep getting smaller. You have to change recipes to adjust for the decrease in size.

n2doc

(47,953 posts)
18. 2.40's here in Georgia
Sun Jul 26, 2015, 03:37 PM
Jul 2015

Should be 2.20's or less with that oil price. they are sticking it to people where and when they can,. especially in California.

on edit, here's a map of prices. Shows the crap going on in Cal quite well

http://www.gasbuddy.com/GasPriceMap

loudsue

(14,087 posts)
20. Americans are getting the shaft EVERYWHERE. Not just gas prices.
Sun Jul 26, 2015, 04:06 PM
Jul 2015

There is a "trend" that is sucking every last dime out of Americans....food prices, insurance, rent, medical bills, banking fees and double-fees, alternative minimum tax on middle class wage earners, education, school supplies, cheap clothes that cost a bundle, shoes with no engineering or style whatsoever costing $79 and above, and of course GAS.

The quality products can still be found in some cities, but most cities are crammed with cheap junk; toxic, unworkable junk. It doesn't look like a random accident to me. It just doesn't.

jomin41

(559 posts)
22. It will be interesting to see what happens when/if
Sun Jul 26, 2015, 04:30 PM
Jul 2015

Iran comes back online. Will the Saudis slow down? or continue pumping? At least, it looks like the economic picture for fracking, going forward, is "challenging", at these crude prices. Count blessings!

gvstn

(2,805 posts)
29. Once they realized people will pay $4/gallon during the GWB years
Sun Jul 26, 2015, 04:49 PM
Jul 2015

It will never go down to market value. They know what people will pay. The $.89 of the Clinton years are gone.

Dark n Stormy Knight

(9,771 posts)
30. Oh no! How can the oil companies expect to survive!!!!???? Of course, Obabma is to blame!
Sun Jul 26, 2015, 04:56 PM
Jul 2015

I'm sure that will be FoxNoise's stance. No matter what happens, it's probably bad, and if it it's bad, it's definitely Obama's fault.

High gas prices: Bad. Obama's fault.
Low gas prices: Bad. Obama's fault.

US at war. Bad. Obama's fault.
US not at war: Bad. Obama's fault.

National Parks open: Bad. Obama's fault.
National Parks closed: Bad. Obama's fault.

And so on...

And yet they maintain a large and loyal viewership with this kind of ongoing, blatant hypocrisy.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,924 posts)
32. I suspect it has something to do with the "crack spread," which is
Sun Jul 26, 2015, 04:58 PM
Jul 2015

not something naughty, but the differential between the price of crude oil and petroleum products produced from it. In other words, it's the profit margin that the refinery can expect to make by refining (cracking) crude oil. Where they make the money is when they simultaneously buy and sell contracts in crude oil and its derivative products like gasoline. Oil producers use trading in crack spreads to hedge against a down market, and speculators do it to profit from a changes in the oil/gasoline price differential.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
33. The only other viable options other than public shaming are to break up the oil cartels or nationalize them.
Sun Jul 26, 2015, 05:05 PM
Jul 2015

Andy823

(11,495 posts)
35. And what about diesel?
Sun Jul 26, 2015, 05:09 PM
Jul 2015

It's been selling on the commodities market for less than gas, which it used always be. Diesel is a byproduct of making gas. All year the price of diesel has been around .10 cents or more below the price of gas, yet it has been selling for over $3.00 a gallon locally all year. Last week they dropped the price of diesel from $3.35 down to where it is the same price as gas at $3.29.

I can remember when diesel was always way under the price of gas. Of course since more people are buying diesel trucks, and cars, that price has gone up till it has become more expensive than gasoline. None of what they do make sense, but it sure increases their profits.

wolfie001

(2,284 posts)
36. This decrease in price per gallon has saved me between.....
Sun Jul 26, 2015, 05:11 PM
Jul 2015

...... $750 and $1000 per year. Long commute but I upgraded to a more fuel efficient car.


Thanks Obama!!!!

tritsofme

(17,419 posts)
38. We had gas below $2.00 for a few weeks in Chicagoland about 8 or 9 months back
Sun Jul 26, 2015, 05:24 PM
Jul 2015

When oil took its first big tumble. It had been higher lately, but I've seen it in the $2.60s the past few days.

Ghost in the Machine

(14,912 posts)
40. I got gas for $2.09/gal yesterday in Athens, TN. It was $2.12/gal but I got a 3 cents/gal discount
Sun Jul 26, 2015, 05:44 PM
Jul 2015

by using my Speedway Gas Rewards Card! I am hoping to see it go below$2/gal again before summer is over. It's ranging from $2.25/gal out in the boonies, down to $2.12/gal in town, right off the interstate...

Peace,

Ghost

Andy823

(11,495 posts)
44. It should be
Sun Jul 26, 2015, 07:54 PM
Jul 2015

Diesel has been selling lower than gas on the commodities market for months now, but the price around my area has not dropped until last week when it dropped down to the same price as gas, $3.29. It used to always be cheaper than gas back before George W. Bush took office.

 

ChisolmTrailDem

(9,463 posts)
47. Saw $2.06 at Valero in Mesquite, TX a little while ago. Looks like the price is dropping from
Sun Jul 26, 2015, 08:57 PM
Jul 2015

around $2.48 on the back of this downturn in oil prices.

Give it a week or so to start seeing the lower prices. I believe the stuff already in the gas station tanks has to run out and new gas bought at the lower price before you'll start seeing it at your pumps.

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