"The Big 5" Nixon, Johnson, Gerald Ford, Governor Reagan, and George HW Bush

[JonLP24]

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The presidency of Richard Nixon is famous, or infamous, for many things. However, one of the lesser known tidbits of information about the Nixon administration is that the president regularly consulted with four other individuals who called the White House home at some point in their careers. How many other presidents can say that? In the case of Nixon, these individuals included former President Lyndon Johnson, Gerald R. Ford, then Minority Leader in the U.S. House of Representatives, California Governor Ronald W. Reagan, and U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations George H.W. Bush.

The collection is truly one of a kind. After all, how many presidents consulted with four other presidents? One would have to go back among the earliest presidents to find a similar instance. Besides that, for how many of those conversations do we have verbatim records? To answer that question, one would have to agree that this is yet another case where the secret recordings of President Nixon are a truly unique record.

The participants are as follows:

P = President Richard Nixon
GHWB = U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations George H.W. Bush
GRF = House Minority Leader Gerald R. Ford
HAK = Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs Henry A. Kissinger
HRH = Chief of Staff H.R. "Bob" Haldeman
LBJ = President Lyndon B. Johnson
RJD = Republican National Committee Chairman Robert J. Dole
RWR = Governor Ronald W. Reagan

http://nixontapes.org/presidents.html

These really have to be heard to be believed.

President Nixon to Gerald R. Rove, Nixon "Frankly, everything I say is classified". Both talked about their love of "Carl Albert" referred to some congressman's remarks on the House floor that was "embarrassing" for Carl. Gerald Ford suggested we have to "be awfully careful" Nixon "what we tell him". Nixon "I'm afraid we better not at this point have a meeting tomorrow night with the big 5". Nixon "I never have a problem with meeting with you or Carl" "Carl will never leak out anything" Gerald Ford: "He is a man of principle"
http://nixontapes.org/grf/042-009.mp3

This is Nixon & Reagan with Henry Kissinger. Nixon: "a very large federal shipbuilding program, which has been approved, and trying to look for a good place to put one." "Slug a big one into San Diego" -- "invite back half a dozen people". "We have a few other plans, saline water, and a few other things that we are going to try to throw into Orange County". Reagan: "That sounds wonderful". Reagan: "I have this damn legislature coming at me so have mercy for me if I'm caught babbling down the line".

Notice after this exchange Henry Kissinger was very careful with what he was saying to Reagan because Reagan kept asking questions "let's call it a coincidence" on the subject of the President of Romania. He seems like a young teen trying to fit in with the crowd. Kissinger "we turned a corner" and Reagan was asking if he meant the Vietnam war.
http://nixontapes.org/rwr/004-103.mp3

For some reason Reagan comes across as the most sickening in this group of sociopaths pulling strings. The reason why I bold "saline water".

Unethical human experimentation in the United States

Medical professionals gathered and collected data on the CIA’s use of torture techniques on detainees during the 21st century war on terror, in order to refine those techniques, and "to provide legal cover for torture, as well as to help justify and shape future procedures and policies", according to a 2010 report by Physicians for Human Rights. The report stated that: “Research and medical experimentation on detainees was used to measure the effects of large-volume waterboarding and adjust the procedure according to the results." As a result of the waterboarding experiments, doctors recommended adding saline to the water “to prevent putting detainees in a coma or killing them through over-ingestion of large amounts of plain water." Sleep deprivation tests were performed on over a dozen prisoners, in 48-, 96- and 180-hour increments. Doctors also collected data intended to help them judge the emotional and physical effects of the techniques so as to “calibrate the level of pain experienced by detainees during interrogation" and to determine if using certain types of techniques would increase a subject's "susceptibility to severe pain." In 2010 the CIA denied the allegations, claiming they never performed any experiments, and saying "The report is just wrong"; however, the U.S. government never investigated the claims.[145][146][147][148][149][150] The psychologists James Mitchell and Bruce Jessen ran a company that was paid $81 million by the CIA, that, according to the Senate Intelligence Committee report on CIA torture, developed the "enhanced interrogation techniques" used.[151] In November 2014, the American Psychological Association announced that they would hire a lawyer to investigate claims that they were complicit in the development of enhanced interrogation techniques that constituted torture.[152]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unethical_human_experimentation_in_the_United_States#Psychological_and_torture_experiments

Really I've only been threw just a few from that section of the Nixon Tapes and criminal behavior routinely discussed

Watergate Crisis

In 1973, during Albert's second term as Speaker and Nixon's second term as president, Vice President Spiro Agnew was investigated for tax evasion and money laundering for bribes he took while he was Governor of Maryland. Agnew resigned as Vice President and eventually pleaded nolo contendere to the charges, as part of a package plea agreement. This event put Albert next in line to assume the presidential powers and duties, should that office become vacant.

Under the provisions of the Twenty-fifth Amendment to the United States Constitution, Nixon nominated Republican House Minority Leader Gerald R. Ford to succeed Agnew as Vice President in October 1973. As the Watergate crisis began to unfold, many believed that Nixon would be forced to resign from office, possibly before both Houses of Congress could confirm a Vice President. Had Nixon resigned without a sitting Vice President to succeed him, Albert would have become Acting President under the Presidential Succession Act of 1947, which would have forced Albert to resign from the office of Speaker as well as the House.

Agnew's resignation was the first occasion since the ratification of the Twenty-fifth Amendment in which it was possible for a member of one party to assume the presidency after a member of the opposing party vacated the office. As Speaker of the House, Albert presided over the only body with the authority to impeach Nixon. He also had the authority to prevent any Vice Presidential confirmation vote from taking place in the House, as the Speaker has complete control over what House votes take place. In other words, Albert could have maneuvered to make himself Acting President. However, Albert concluded that, as a Democrat, he had no right to a Presidency that the American people had entrusted by election to a Republican, although the Constitution does not mention political parties. He later stated that if he had become Acting President by succession that it would be in the national interest to resign immediately after the House and Senate had confirmed a Republican Vice President. The Vice Presidency was vacant for about seven weeks; Ford was confirmed and sworn in as Vice President in December, 1973.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Albert

[craigmatic]

1. Albert should've denied Ford the nomination then Nixon could've gotten prosecuted.

Ford made it easy for every 2 term republican administration to get more and more criminal since Nixon. Our criminal justice system is a joke when you had Nixon and george w bush still remain free after office but we can arrest all these people for petty crimes in the war on drugs. The fact that they never prosecuted Nixon coupled with the fact that republicans have consciously used the antonym -"gate" after every scandal no matter how small shows you just how far Nixon's crimes have been downplayed.

[JonLP24]

2. I'm beginning to see the "deep state" Sibel Edmonds was referring to

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CIA has many covers, UN ambassadors are typically CIA agents with "official cover" with diplomatic immunity. George HW Bush was the UN Ambassador. Clearly from the audio Carl Alberts was a friend and LBJ was up to stuff too. He was the one that put the recording devices there in the first place (contrary to popular belief it wasn't Nixon but Nixon was aware of the them" was briefed that they turn on "automatically". The government is a front with moles in both parties. The stuff in front of the cameras & the public is a show.

I'm sure you're well aware of this with the Ted Kennedy avatar.

Or maybe you're not as the audio of it is incredibly difficult to find and "hired bodyguards to spy on" articles are very misleading and it is obvious John Dean is covering his ass because there is A LOT being omitted from the 2013 releases. There was an assassination plot hatched with John Dean that recommended someone that was 'willing to do anything' for Nixon including "kill". He says something revealing about the first Kennedy assassination right before that.

I came across this old NY Times article 1974 "Dean accused of Plot to Blackmail Nixon"
http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/White%20Materials/Watergate/Watergate%20Items%2013573%20to%2013797/Watergate%2013624.pdf

There is an actual recording. John Dean phoned Nixon said the 'Mafia' are blackmailing him and Nixon asked how much. IIRC it was $1 or $2 million and Nixon replied he can get it done but "it won't be easy" but confirmed it will be done.

The audio of both the Ted Kennedy thing and the mafia blackmail are here but impossible to find through web searches

The telling thing about the documentary is not one recording from LBJ, Ford, Bush, or Reagan exists in the documentary and coming across reports of "mistakes" in transcripts all across the web and the Nixontapes.org site suggesting to listen to audio "when in doubt" but just get a load of the testimonials



Testimonials:
George H.W. Bush: "I am pleased that you have found no record of his having made unpleasant comments about me."

Richard Cheney: "I look forward to your book [The Nixon Tapes: 1971-1972] coming out."

Charles W. Colson: "I'm thrilled that people have been driven to your website."

John W. Dean III: "I am delighted to discover the good work you are doing."

Alexander M. Haig, Jr.: "I am glad to see that someone who appreciates their value has taken the time to protect the integrity of these tapes and to proffer them to anyone with an interest to listen."

Marvin Kalb: "The KING of the tapes!"

John Kerry: "Best wishes."

Henry A. Kissinger: "I deeply respect the work that you do."

G. Gordon Liddy: "You have my complete support and confidence."

Edward Nixon: "We need your wisdom!"

Nancy Reagan: "Listening to the recordings was a nice walk down memory lane for me, but they are of historical importance, too."

Donald H. Rumsfeld: "I remember well how surprised I was when I was told that he was taping meetings in the various locations where he spent time."

William Safire: "I listened raptly to the recordings of 24 of my telephone conversations with President Nixon that you were good enough to send. As a part-time historian, I was fascinated --- and am eager to hear more."

George P. Shultz: "Thank you very much for sending me the three CDs of my telephone conversations with President Nixon."

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There is an obvious attempt to omit what's in the tapes so unfortunately we have to do the media's job for them and listen to all 3,700 hours of videotape because the Watergate is child's play compared to the crimes discussed the tapes and Nixon is certainly just as guilty as "The Big 5" he isn't the only one so Nixon willing accepted his role to take solely the blame. The media is attempted to spin an aspect of that to feel sorry for him.

Anyways what I was going to say before all that caught my attention is that with the cross party bi-partisanship in all the right places that have a full scale scheme going on and the assassinations are clearly real conspiracies.

Spiro Agnew

In 1980, Agnew published a memoir in which he implied that Nixon and his Chief of Staff, Alexander Haig, had planned to assassinate him if he refused to resign the Vice Presidency, and that Haig told him to "go quietly...or else", the memoir's title.[37] Agnew also wrote a novel, The Canfield Decision,[38] about a Vice President who was "destroyed by his own ambition."[39]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spiro_Agnew#Resignation

On edit -- watching the documentary and hearing it John Dean proposed hiring the Mafia to Richard Nixon. Nixon said he can get $1 million -- "It can be done but it won't be easy"

I'm interested in what John Dean knew and when did he know it as well.

On edit -- the national archives are probably a much better place to listen to Nixon tapes, particularly the 2013 releases. I wouldn't trust transcripts over audio though.
http://www.archives.gov/publications/prologue/2007/fall/tapes.html

[djean111]

3. Thanks. Bookmarking.