Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search
 

Humanist_Activist

(7,670 posts)
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 04:36 PM Jul 2015

You know, when it comes to Sandra Bland, even if it were a suicide, which I doubt...

its still the Sheriff Office's fault. She was in their custody, they are, at that point, in total control over her safety, healthy and life. Why can't the people in charge of jails be held responsible for, at the very least, negligence when it comes to situations like this? I mean, for fuck's sake, they should have someone training cameras on the cells 24/7, should they not? And eyeballs to watch the inmates. This isn't a huge prison we are talking about, but a county jail, a temporary holding area to determine what happens next. At the very least, have someone doing rounds to check on inmates, I mean, what the fuck?

19 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
You know, when it comes to Sandra Bland, even if it were a suicide, which I doubt... (Original Post) Humanist_Activist Jul 2015 OP
If it was suicide, she was driven to it. It is still murder. Downwinder Jul 2015 #1
That's very hard to prove in court, I would say, at the very least, its negligent homicide. Humanist_Activist Jul 2015 #2
I have been there. Downwinder Jul 2015 #3
Maybe not murder in the first degree, but, certainly reckless homicide. InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2015 #17
The only way they could be held responsible if she was on a suicide watch beforeiknewbetter Jul 2015 #4
She was in their custody, ultimately they are responsible for her health and safety... Humanist_Activist Jul 2015 #5
I don't understand what you want me to prove? beforeiknewbetter Jul 2015 #9
Why was she arrested in the first place? damnedifIknow Jul 2015 #6
Resisting arrest. nt COLGATE4 Jul 2015 #8
arrested for handmade34 Jul 2015 #18
don't forget assaulting an Officer. nt COLGATE4 Jul 2015 #19
She was apparently charged with "assaulting a public servant". n/t PoliticAverse Jul 2015 #13
Obviously they shouldn't have cameras in cells mythology Jul 2015 #7
Have you seen jail cells? There is no expectation of privacy, some have private bathrooms that... Humanist_Activist Jul 2015 #11
Lets take it further. Downwinder Jul 2015 #14
You do bring up a good point. n/t Humanist_Activist Jul 2015 #15
There is no GP in a jail , this was just a holding cell until they beforeiknewbetter Jul 2015 #16
They certainly are culpable in some form Lee-Lee Jul 2015 #10
If that is the case they are responsible beforeiknewbetter Jul 2015 #12
 

Humanist_Activist

(7,670 posts)
2. That's very hard to prove in court, I would say, at the very least, its negligent homicide.
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 04:45 PM
Jul 2015

And completely unacceptable.

The police in this country are fucking out of control.

 
4. The only way they could be held responsible if she was on a suicide watch
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 04:52 PM
Jul 2015

I know they do have this type of watch in every jail .
If the jail is too small to support this type of watch then the person is shipped
out to a facility that is ready to house them. They have the doctors and staff
to take on such a inmate.

Unless she said she was going to kill her self to the jailers it's hard to hold them accountable
for anyone who kills them selves in a cell.

 

Humanist_Activist

(7,670 posts)
5. She was in their custody, ultimately they are responsible for her health and safety...
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 04:54 PM
Jul 2015

if there was no way this could be prevented, prove it, but apparently they had no means of observing her and they did not do routine checks on inmates in custody. That's unacceptable.

 
9. I don't understand what you want me to prove?
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 05:01 PM
Jul 2015

There are probably at least 700,000 inmates right now as we speak
housed in a cell in the U.S who if they decided to kill themselves in a cell they could.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
7. Obviously they shouldn't have cameras in cells
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 04:59 PM
Jul 2015

Do you really want cameras watching inmates going to the bathroom, changing clothes or engaging in (consenting) sexual activities?

 

Humanist_Activist

(7,670 posts)
11. Have you seen jail cells? There is no expectation of privacy, some have private bathrooms that...
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 05:04 PM
Jul 2015

are partitioned off, many don't, and many cells are multi-person cells, you get to take your shit in front of a crowd. However, a suitable compromise would be requiring officers in the jail to do rounds every 15 to thirty minutes to make sure inmates are both secure and safe rather than have cameras in there.

Downwinder

(12,869 posts)
14. Lets take it further.
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 05:18 PM
Jul 2015

She was not in General Population she was in Segregation. As a dangerous prisoner there should not have been anything in that cell which could be used in any way as a weapon. That includes a plastic bag.

 
16. There is no GP in a jail , this was just a holding cell until they
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 05:47 PM
Jul 2015

can process and transport her to a prison until she makes bail.
If she said she was suicidal to the jailers she should not have been housed there for more than a day.

What should have happened is she is stripped of all clothes and her shoes. She is then given a paper gown
to wear and placed in a cell that is designed for a suicidal inmate. In extreme cases they have staff
placed outside the cell 24 hours a day. In other cases it's a 15 minute watch.
In very extreme cases the inmate is strapped down until a doctor can examine .

 

Lee-Lee

(6,324 posts)
10. They certainly are culpable in some form
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 05:04 PM
Jul 2015

She admitted on the intake form she had a recent history of attempted suicide.

They left her in a cell with materials she could hurt herself with and without adequate supervision.

It boggles my mind a jail had individual garbage bags in cells. Way too much potential for misuse in many forms. Use a plastic bin only and have inmates wash them out when they are dirty inside.

Latest Discussions»General Discussion»You know, when it comes t...