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JohnyCanuck

(9,922 posts)
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 11:59 AM Jul 2015

(Retired) U.S. Intelligence Officials Demand that Obama Release MH-17 Intel

MEMORANDUM FOR: The President

FROM: Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity (VIPS)

SUBJECT: Releasing an Intelligence Report on Shoot-Down of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17

On July 29, 2014, we Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity (VIPS) suggested that the United States Government report publicly what intelligence it actually had relating to the shoot-down lest the incident turn into another paroxysm of blaming Russia without cause. We are still waiting for that report.

SNIP

If the White House has concrete, probative intelligence regarding MH-17, we strongly suggest that the time is right to approve it for release before the “blame Russia” narrative becomes completely dominant. The American people are perfectly capable of judging for themselves what took place but they need to have all the information presented without bias and without any attempt to evade unpleasant conclusions. And it should be done even given the risk of compromising “sources and methods,” as the broader issue of war or peace with Russia is something that should be of paramount concern to every American.

What is needed is an Interagency Intelligence Assessment – the mechanism used in the past to present significant findings. We are hearing indirectly from some of our former colleagues that the draft Dutch report contradicts some of the real intelligence that has been collected. Resorting to another “Government (not Intelligence) Assessment” to sidestep the accountability issue is not appropriate and is itself an insult to the integrity and professionalism of the intelligence community.

Mr. President, we believe you need to seek out honest intelligence analysts now and hear them out, particularly if they are challenging or even opposing the prevailing groupthink narrative. They might well convince you to take steps to deal more forthrightly with the shoot-down of MH-17 and minimize the risk that relations with Russia might degenerate into a replay of the Cold War with the threat of escalation into thermonuclear conflict. In all candor, we suspect that at least some of your advisers fail to appreciate the enormity of that danger.

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/07/obama-should-release-mh-17-intel.html

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(Retired) U.S. Intelligence Officials Demand that Obama Release MH-17 Intel (Original Post) JohnyCanuck Jul 2015 OP
The signatories are a ''Who's Who'' of Integrity. Octafish Jul 2015 #1
US really needs to start being honest about stuff JonLP24 Jul 2015 #2
Kick Karmadillo Jul 2015 #3

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
1. The signatories are a ''Who's Who'' of Integrity.
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 12:07 PM
Jul 2015

For the Steering Group, Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity

William Binney, former Technical Director, World Geopolitical & Military Analysis, NSA; co-founder, SIGINT Automation Research Center (ret.)

Thomas Drake, former Senior Executive, National Security Agency

Philip Giraldi, CIA, Operations Officer (ret.)

Matthew Hoh, former Capt., USMC, Iraq & Foreign Service Officer, Afghanistan (associate VIPS)

Larry Johnson, CIA & State Department (ret.)

John Kiriakou, Former CIA Counterterrorism Officer

Karen Kwiatkowski, former Lt. Col., US Air Force (ret.), at Office of Secretary of Defense watching the manufacture of lies on Iraq, 2001-2003

Edward Loomis, NSA, Cryptologic Computer Scientist (ret.)

David MacMichael, National Intelligence Council (ret.)

Ray McGovern, former US Army infantry/intelligence officer & CIA analyst (ret.)

Elizabeth Murray, Deputy National Intelligence Officer for Middle East (ret.)

Todd E. Pierce, MAJ, US Army Judge Advocate (Ret.)

Coleen Rowley, Division Counsel & Special Agent, FBI (ret.)

Peter Van Buren, US Department of State, Foreign Service Officer (ret.) (associate VIPS)

Kirk Wiebe, former Senior Analyst, SIGINT Automation Research Center, NSA

Ann Wright, Col., US Army (ret.); Foreign Service Officer (resigned)

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
2. US really needs to start being honest about stuff
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 12:20 PM
Jul 2015

It takes a NSA to crack the codes that they are up to but unfortunately they use their abilities to manufacture stuff when they could be shining a light on the truth.

This is just the latest translation but while the cables I do post here receive little attention I am left alone to try to figure out the codes or the meaning behind the words used such as "atheist" but mostly the routine codes they use such as "0"

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I appreciate your interest in to posts I have made on the subject -- on what I mean by "atheist" -- it is probably the title I used but related to 9/11 I encourage you to check it out -- http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026998029

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