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JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 11:25 AM Jul 2015

(Edited:Changed bad title) - Lost in translation

Please don't relegate this to CT dungeon this is simply what Saudi's foreign ministry remarks in a cable which transcribed an interview that Turki al-Faisal gave with a German magazine

<snip>

Tehran Emrouz / Turki al-Faisal: Al-Qaeda and the hills of the product of Afghanistan is not the deserts of Saudi Arabia / 08/12/2010 / p. 6
Under the above address, the newspaper published a Prince Turki al-Faisal Aspiegl dialogue with the

German magazine, which initiated this introduction: Leave Prince Turki al-Faisal, the presidency of the Saudi intelligence service, which he held for 24 years, where he left this position in 2001. After that he served as Saudi ambassador to Britain from the years 2003- 2005 m and then left it to Washington. Said that he and his brother, Prince Saud al-Faisal (Saudi foreign minister, current) of influential and close to the King Abdullah bin Abdul Aziz. In his interview with the German weekly, he has addressed the shortcomings experienced by Western security services and also to coincide with his country of September atheist accident in 2001. As for the dialogue, it is stated this way: Question: I have you met with bin Laden five times and that the last of these meetings was in the summer of 1990, if you Taatsdon security position today, anywhere you Stbgeson for bin Laden? Answer: I think that currently exists in the area on the joint Pakistan-Afghanistan border, I look for him by the Americans mountain and mountain village by village and the Golan Plateau, but suddenly stopped this research, because they moved their troops to Iraq. Now we can start a new wave in the framework find it, and that this wave include every state is not satisfied with bin Laden, at the same time has an incentive to arrest him. And not only it must be done in Saudi Arabia and even to look for in countries including Russia, China, India, Pakistan, Egypt, Spain and Indonesia. Question: Can Saudi Arabia alone to do this work? Answer: both; but if there was a determination to find him, he would be arrested at the end of it as Saddam was arrested, but this determination is not available. During election campaigns, Obama promised to focus his efforts in finding terrorists like bin Laden. But we now see that the first goal of the General Petraas is to engage the Taliban to the negotiating table, and there is no one to talk today about bin Laden. I think that the coalition against terrorism is going the wrong way. Question: Do you vary the circumstances in the case of capturing bin Laden? Answer: because if you can only destroy the United States and its allies declaration of victory over terrorism, and when the announcement of the victory, at that time will justify talk about out of Afghanistan. Question: NATO currently made up his mind to withdraw from Afghanistan by the year 2014. So why negotiations with the Taliban won the first important? At a time when he has to be patient .. and You were at the head of the Saudi security services for 24 years, and after Khrjkm them on August 31, 2001 and then after 11 days New York is witnessing the bombing incident, omen criticize yourself because you are you can not prevent the occurrence of this incident? Answer: I'm not the only one who must repent, but all over the world who can not do anything to feel remorse. That the mistake made focused in dealing with the new type of terrorist organizations and which was similar to dealing with organizations such as the old (Baader Meinhof) and (Reddy Bergz). As it was at that time only security agencies to exchange information, while the Yemeni bomb, which recently Hhdnha model, it refers to a senior security cooperation. In 2001, indicators showed to the occurrence of such kind of incidents. Even within America have not seen the exchange of information between the FBI and CIA, and so on background say that our work was not enough. Question: Where were you on the day of Sept. 11, 2001? Answer: I was in the port of Jeddah, at the time of the late King Fahd held a luncheon proud to attend Omar al-Bashir. One of the princes who was sitting my side told me that he now received an Instant Message remember that one of the aircraft may Osdmt one of the twin towers in New York, initially conceived to be an accident, but when Osdmt another plane tower II, myself connected to the TV channel CNN and assumed that the incident has link roots in the Balkans, where I thought Bosnia because America was involved there at the time. QUESTION: But instead, it was the product of your citizens? Answer: When the United States announced the names of emitters of the accident, accepted it instinctively. Where I have evidence that is not available in questioning the validity of the information cited by the American side. I was reassured that bin Laden had been carried out that incident. In fact, these processes are complex, so did not make it difficult for someone like bin Laden be carried out. As you say (your citizens) should tell you that it is true because they are citizens of Saudi Arabia, but they were trained outside of Saudi territory. Of course characterized their lives in Saudi Arabia, she was a normal, two of them Imithnan Education and the other unemployed. As I said in the past, he confirmed that Al-Qaeda emerged from the hills of Afghanistan and not the deserts of Saudi Arabia. (Rack)

https://wikileaks.org/saudi-cables/doc119301.html

This isn't the first I came across "atheist" in a similar context or "bombings" used for September 11th

Outside of the stuff where they pay attention to how the press is portraying them the documents that appear the most revealing are very broken either due to translations or codes or don't know but this is an example.

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?j - America intensified her pressures — according to composed — on Saudi Arabia to performance normalization of instant and complete for the relationships Israeli Saudi Arabia, where this normalization include; His fall prevented; The domain opened wide in front of 'israanyl for invasion of the gulf markets economist 00 and the author denies that Saudi Arabia refuses the normalization except after return of the Arabic occupied lands after June 5, 1967 and just establishing peace he' flowing and for two coffees waalflsTynbyn and that all him within the framework of the initiative notorious Saudi Arabia and to the explosions are changed that all him 0
d _America performed wHlfaau'haa in the pressure on Saudi Arabia her kindnesses period of shines of corroboration for the Palestinian uprising under allegation that this aaltaabyd pours considered as the terrorism and may this pressure succeeded partial result reasons of many from her events of eleventh from September and the explosions the other.
d - after the explosions Saudi Arabia in chapter performed. 170 speakers were declared for they in the oratory to excitation swimmer of the people against the American politics stormed in especially and the Arab is general or taking 'ashbaa' this prince in the tough cash who stage does not fit what the explosions 0 distanced
- America raided two intense attacks against Saudi Arabia considering that from explosions 1 performed in September 1 they is religious fruit of speech brkz on hatred of America.

https://wikileaks.org/saudi-cables/doc12583.html

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(Edited:Changed bad title) - Lost in translation (Original Post) JonLP24 Jul 2015 OP
Sure this isn't a computer-translation or glitches in... JHB Jul 2015 #1
I'm using Google translator JonLP24 Jul 2015 #2
You need to get an Arabic speaker/reader to look at it muriel_volestrangler Jul 2015 #4
Yes JonLP24 Jul 2015 #10
This wore me out JonLP24 Jul 2015 #8
Without the source documents I cannot be sure but my money is on zindiq whatthehey Jul 2015 #3
At the Saudi cable right click JonLP24 Jul 2015 #11
Arabic is a very complex language. Simply dropping text into GT won't do you much good. NuclearDem Jul 2015 #5
I won't say its conspiracy theory olddots Jul 2015 #6
It wasn't meant to say that JonLP24 Jul 2015 #9
It's in the translation. nt ChisolmTrailDem Jul 2015 #7

JHB

(37,164 posts)
1. Sure this isn't a computer-translation or glitches in...
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 12:25 PM
Jul 2015

...computer transcription of audio?

The language and phrasing seemed stilted and odd enough to have been machine-translated. It could be even worse if voice-recognition errors compound it.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
2. I'm using Google translator
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 12:46 PM
Jul 2015

It lets me translate well over 1000 words so I stick with it so unsure what the issues is. This is another with the word atheist used in a similar context. 0 is definitely a code for something I'll show an example after this

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Secret of a very urgent HE Rnes the Royal Court and the private secretary to the Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques
Hello Rrah 0 of uh and blessings;
AVI signal cable together Bam number (16 984) and the date 33/3/1 9 4 1 d on the case against the Muslim World League and the Islamic Relief in America after the events of atheist 0 n September, and request financial assistance in exchange for the Association attorney fees of up to (3) million, including at least Vhaa fees Saudi law office coordinator them lawyer in America and between ASEAN and body, and that this amount is likely to rise continued Alqfemih p 0 0
Afahad together to complement the Alqdahh not Nawal in the exploration phase has embrocation, as it may save early for lack of evidence to support the arguments of the plaintiffs, it is Bkhadda to the discretion of the court 0 and the allocation of the amount requested by the Association does not mean it cashed Maeshrh the defense team, but this is done on the parts versus invoices submitted 0 n the defense team which is calculated based on the estimated hourly wage by the American system 0 Therefore, the Barre High Alakam Karim suitable Altugeh that supports Fund v 0 Lowell pleadings required amount, and dies oversee the auditing and settlement striped bills 0 n Frbak defense, and submit periodic reports thereon 0
I hope to look at and consider the offer on the High Holy For your kind information and guidance, including land. Appropriate '0 and Amaalhecm Athb greetings 0
sauod Alfaisal
Minister of Foreign Affairs
https://wikileaks.org/saudi-cables/doc20099.html

This is what I mean with 0

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God save him
- And God's mercy and blessings
Referring to the neck His Excellency the Governor effortless communication and greeting Almthomat No. 2471 date and the date of 434/2/2 1 d based on the cable serves as one of the Ministry on the request for cancellation of duties on Satkhaddmh frequencies by Sarh United States 0 n terms of the principle of reciprocity after what has been confirmed 0 n Mmthelehg Saudi Saudi Arabia in America 0 n 0 n Aafanahm pay fees to use the frequencies 0
Based on the testimony contained in a telegram Ma'aleh referred to above are included color frequencies that the fees pay for the use of Agbr Mkhagh communication system of Pal 0 Rsomsno.ma Tark 12 and 12 of the 1422 3 d.
May Barre Your Highness Karim uploaded to His Majesty Bastaa US Embassy 0 n pay to use the frequencies 0 n fees reciprocity wed to Atdtr geese 1 Rh to pay frequency usage fees 0 n before Mmthelhat Kingdom in the United States Alomirkh that bog use Alomirkh Embassy frequencies in Amuallkh Saudi Arabia to Kathy fees
Please accept Sokm 1 to cream Vang respect ,,,
Mohammed bin Saud bin Khalid
https://wikileaks.org/saudi-cables/doc20099.html

For some reason the press stuff translates perfectly so I'm certain there are codes with the straight up government to government communications but a lot of nouns end up completely broken.

Take Irhejan for Reagan for example and it is obvious they meant Reagan but also notice for it names like North Carolina is North Kahathahta (a whole bunch a mystery words in a boatload of documents I've put through a translator)

H owever, many members of Congress 0 n at the time felt that the only problem is his handicap Babr.s. Intelligence Agency. It was their view that the relationship of these efforts Hhla agency Alaschbarat make an effort to win the America Alhlob and Anol stillness useful and non-suspicious. In the eighties, during the administration to President Irhejan, founded the Congress National Endowment for Democracy to support the program and takes the place of Kala Alaschbarat Antrnah Allback.
Based on Qadhun inception, the fund blames the division of T 0 and night to four institutions Tnom the role of a 0-sponsored programs that promote democracy around the world. The four institutions managed one of which 0 n Party 1 for a Republican, and Other 0 n Democratic Party, and Other 0 n Association of Workers' Union, and the fourth of the room 0 US for business, and Alafterd 0 n is the participation of all interests of the US and ideologies in this program.
It was clear that the spread of democracy in the territory of a foreign Sichaeln a sensitive matter should be strictly applied and warned, however, that the God of 0 Zdouk floundering in the normalization of mischievous beginning. Allocated Almendouk 0 Lyon and a half dollars Mlhon institution managed 0 n Association of labor unions to Amrhechh 1 0 n order to support the program in France. And because France is a democratic country and Haligh the United States, one of the Szdouk did not announce that Walt will use the Will 0 0
And it referred heading Walt 0 woe in Paris to Seoul in labor unions Association task, but 0 Rikeh, named Irving Barr 1 Wen, adult 0 n Murr seventy-four-year-old Wei 0 rack chastity that he used the money CIA Alaschbarat after the Second World to escape in an attempt to prevent the Communists 0 n Alassilae the unions Aernassehh Home workers. The Barr 1 Wen provide most of the funding for the Association (Force uvriere.), An association workers French anti-communist. As the amount of pen (0 0. 0.070) thousand dollars for the right-wing student group has distributed leaflets in Ba- attack Aernsa Socialist President Francois Mitterrand.
https://wikileaks.org/saudi-cables/doc64153.html


muriel_volestrangler

(101,407 posts)
4. You need to get an Arabic speaker/reader to look at it
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 03:05 PM
Jul 2015

All you're doing at the moment is confirming what everyone knows - that Google Translate produces a lot of weird things.

" so I stick with it so unsure what the issues is" - no offence, but are you a native English speaker? That may add a layer of complexity to this.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
10. Yes
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 04:00 AM
Jul 2015

A lot of times typing I'm thinking ahead so I assume I typed what I intended to but instead typed the "future" word or the "thought" rather than the right word.

In any case, I don't think I'm being clear in a way so I'm misunderstood -- I had a thread locked for "conspiracy theory" which all it was simply Saudi reporting what PBS was reporting on the subject of the September 11th attacks which I thought was odd but here all I'm trying to figure out and try to understand what is being said but I post it anyway but the "atheist ten" occurs often enough to think maybe it the month and day combination somehow does that but then the times it doesn't but the word "accident" was very unusual but there all I think I meant was "are" rather than "is". Usually my errors are a word from an unrelated topic or future word typed while continuing assuming I typed the word I intended.

I came to that conclusion but wouldn't know where to find Arabic speaking & readers except maybe at a University or Junior college but not only that willing to take the time to go through the well over 300+ translations I saved. I even saved documents that doesn't have to text on the side. I've done enough to know it sucks but trying to figure when it sucks or what is intentional or what is 'mistake'. "atheist" or "atheist ten" is pretty common in combination with September (though the "accident" is a first) but don't see it with other day and month combinations and there are all the times it says the month and day without the "atheist" but it seems likely "atheist ten" could be very similar to 11 in terms of the Arabic being used.

Once in awhile I'll post something but usually something that is interesting but not quite so clear. Government to government it isn't and the more it says something revealing the more unclear it becomes. You'd have to read as much of the >458 documents I put through the translator but often a "mystery word" is inserted at key points all the time which is frustrating.

I'll post a short example

Growing Iranian Tdarat So the Mossad feed and supported Western and Arab media that the intention of the Asranal preemptive strike close to Iran, but it Aniqh Asranal know very well that the 5 game like this is not possible and will be
Ntanjha counterproductive but they want to make it to the United States, however, argues Russia
China and the Europeans to stand by Asranal stresses the ban against Iran instead of Israel's alleged attack.
B. Second floor presented Amapu is the report which values Amano Rnes International Atomic Energy Agency in November of the current mandate explicitly Iran of trying to build a nuclear weapon to the lack of Dlanl in this area but it speaks of a series of military events generally accepted claims that Olokula urinary worried about them because otherwise the will not remain any hope of the United States to talk about the need to tighten the embargo on Iran
T. Waldner third presented Alshudi week charged for Iran before trying to assassinate the Saudi ambassador met with Prince Sultan bin Abdul Aziz, the Saudi intelligence chief with Joseph Biden and reports Tkir the agreement to fabricate diplomatic and New Media against Iran game revolves centered around a person named (0 Zsour employers ahypnia) live in America and 0 Zz rut prepared to implement this scenario, because put this file and in this way against Iran will facilitate the demand of the UN Security Council process Int'l to issue a new resolution against Iran also Adfqgua that directs the focus of the charge to force Qabas Iranian prominent Borha in the regional policy of the Republic of Iran's Islamic w 0 the fourth round of the operating room Common is the allocation of duties for each of the Asranal, Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Jordan to the worsening situation in Syria and the end thereof to Iran feel that the loss of Syria will make it a single so they must save Assad
X. The sixth round of the Zema 6 sedition stream R. Iran is the duty of those ignite sedition inside Iran through foreign contacts Atltoha to be stir public opinion of Iran against the regime's policy, which is part of their will to participate in the upcoming Shura Council elections and one for in the United States you have a chance to prepare the field to revive the rift again Inside Iran, as happened in 2009 after the Republic Rnash elections. Please see ... with appreciation.
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https://wikileaks.org/saudi-cables/doc77623.html

That's all I'm doing which is why I just 99% of 300+ just sitting in folders with vague titles I saved them under but as I go through and translate one catches my attention and post. You'll have to excuse me as I spent all day on that Der Spiegel report just to find out so exhausted and warn out to realize why I gave off a misunderstanding -- The Saudi foreign ministry spends a lot of time talking about September 11th to have a good idea what their role was in combination with multiple other things though accident and while the use of general words or phrases like the explosions but an example is "Urinal Gulf" rather than "Persian Gulf" when it is more formal the words translate clear enough but top secret or urgent. I understand that is effectively all I'm doing but I'd have to flood this thread with examples to highlight the consistencies, the atheist or atheist ten seems to be more of mistranslation but other common things that appear like "0", "sedition", "urinal gulf", "agent geese" (who commonly appears). There is also a lot that is very clear or the stuff that does have unclear words or meaning plenty of enough that is clear so I need to figure out a way to organize and everything else out. I wish the media was doing this already but given their propaganda will dominate the airwaves, particularly in America, as far as relations with America or other troubling things that relates (there is a lot of South America stuff saved) is concerned all anyone seems to be doing but translated this one. Interested me so I posted but probably should have went with a different headline and the "don't relegate" had something to do with a recent locking.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
8. This wore me out
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 02:37 AM
Jul 2015

Note: The Der Spiegel report in English translated from German will be in italics. I'll do underline for Saudi. In bold will be September 11 mentions in both the Saudi cable & German report. There is a third Saudi cable below the space but not really the point of this, just the 1 cable & report so a lot of people do an instant "not going to read all that" reply.

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Athiest or atheist ten occurs pretty regularly when the mention Septmember 11 for some reason, I learned from reading about the Quran translating the Arabic is difficult and there are allusions that are missed so I see a lot of things I can't quite make out or wish I could understand Arabic because even on the surface of a lot of stuff I can find the kind of thing I would expect from the 'House of Saud'.

Something I translated from mentioned something very interesting from Der Spiegel March 30, 2003. It was tough to find, I didn't come close before I realized what I'm looking for is in German and their archive didn't have dates so I took I guess on 13 or 14 (there were 52 issues of the magazine for the year 2003). I wanted to compare the differences to see exactly what was being said because it looked like codes but it was pretty close though athiest ten (but most of the time I see 11 September in whatever order and it is like the only month number combination so I can't tell but likely trying to say 11 but either way can't tell. Not sure why "accident" is in there which is the only time I seen that word though it could probably mean other words the Arabic used. On this, Saudi translated something written in German to Arabic that I used Google to translate to English then I hunted for the German article and translated that (but press reports come out almost flawlessly unlike the "agent geese" stuff. I'm pretty certain Urinal Gulf instead of Persian Gulf is intentional. (I'd have to post an example but this thread is going to include a lot already)

I did this more of an interest of what exactly was reported because the cable story was so interesting and to compare the differences which the 'carries the code name "good"' part I had to find the report to find out the article says that but instead of "good" it said "Hassan" so Google translated the code name into English as well. More than that the Saudi version includes additional info that just isn't in the German report so and do notice they tend to comment in the middle of these things.

On a side note: Come to find out Der Spiegel has some of the best investigative reporting I've seen, especially for the year 2003.

This is the Saudi cable

<snip>
Berlin / magazine "Der Spiegel" / report / "links Arabia Tunisian detainees" / 30 March 2003
While the task force on its way Tunisian "Ben S" for the arrest of accused terrorism suddenly and unexpectedly entered on Thursday of last week's high politics in the game, as he was a man of the Federal detective who was hunting him has been informed and is in a great state of turmoil and stunned that the man may disappeared in a building formally it seems in Alchorvorstndam Street, though this building is likely to be the Embassy of the Kingdom of Saudi Alsaudih.obad and shortly thereafter detectives confirmed that and said that "bin S" has left the embassy just now sitting in a black car diplomacy driven by an Arab one and going towards the Charlottenburg area. No sooner had the Tunisian leaves the car until Prime coursing group decided, despite the possibility of a diplomatic and political problems waiting for the arrest of the accused and he was right as later found after inspections that took place for housing use of "S" and other defendants in the city "Gelsenkirchen" detectives found pistol for firing live ammunition of the type of Glock and a list of chemicals after mixing suitable for the production of explosive materials and alarms to secure doors and windows, dictionaries and reference manuals on toxicology. And practical "day x" as was the Federal Criminal Investigation Department has launched a task force to which it was assigned to what seems to have prevented the implementation of an attack in Germany of six people, including "Ben S" before he had been arrested by the public prosecutor German main accused, a Tunisian and another carries the code name of "good" languishing since then in prison. And quite as dangerous as the preparations for terrorist operations, consequences and political consequences that emerged from the investigations, the men of the Criminal Investigation Hama State were during Mracbathm which spread to several months finding repeatedly document links lead to Saudi Alsaudih.valkhalih accused of terrorism in Berlin and the Federal Attorney-General believes that it was planning a terrorist operation carried out during the outbreak of war was apparently given and at least one support of the figures at the embassy Alsaudih.oppezh case turns speculation that the detectives and security of the German and Americans for a long time thinking about where to what is almost certainly a firm: The Kingdom of Saudi Saudi Arabia, which officially is a partner in the fight against terrorism is used as a forum for the followers of bin Laden at least part of the Saudi government apparatus supports some fundamentalist groups that officially say they are subject to prosecution with money and supplies logistics as Berlin process showed to some extent provide privileges to use official cars and put them at the disposal of Islamists ready to carry out acts of violence. At the very least regard to the diplomat of high rank can Men investigation now demonstrate for the first time video and audio on Saudi links, frequent Fbsourh was a member of the embassy was officially adopted as a supplement which is named "Mohammed the jurist" enters the field of view and the angle of observation of Hama State investigators say the men comment that he was to meet In secret conditions with targeted persons under surveillance and loitering in the Nour mosque in "Noi Colin," which is, according to estimates by federal prosecutors port of Islamists circle frequented by people who surround Baltonce detainee. Was "Faqih" in June 2000 m has introduced in Berlin as head of the Islamic Department at the embassy and card dating its own was Bizarrely enough, do not carry the official title of the embassy in Corvorstndam and confidential was staying in a building newly renovated located in the center of the capital, was not there in "Tour Strasse" street only a small plate not shown the door bell indicates that the royal family in Riyadh has a building supplement its embassy in this place. This has had a supplement that already took place under the eyes of men to comment during their inspection of the dwelling Mounir El Motassadeq, who was sentenced to fifteen years because of his relationship with the agents of the attacks of September atheist and Osrohm then the dating its own card and as the Germans and the Americans believe that this issue needs to be clarified but the Arabs did not respond to questions, but the German government in a very brief and limited, and was told that their employees did not have any contact or friction in any one of the defendants in the vicinity of Hamburg who attacks atheist ten of September This now became questionable: New Evidence suggests that Mohammed Fakih was two months after the attacks had met with Moroccan Motassadeq, who was accused at the time in Jerusalem mosque in Hamburg. And in the same manner that does not hinder the fact he had answered the question about the work of the Embassy of the Islamic section in Berlin and more reflect on the frequency and embarrassment the Saudis have said that the department task is the definition interested in Islamic civilization and the only charitable work that lead to the deepening of relations between Saudi Arabia and Germany .olabd that "al-Faqih" that works with the special commissioner and a mediator in the hidden quiet operations. It is said that he had been through a deal to worry about protecting Alimentarius Commission years ago, and the purchase of "Nur Mosque" in Berlin in "Noi Colin" area, according to the record real estate Islamists have bought a piece of land with an area of several thousand square meters of $ 375.2 million Mark In December 2000 M.omund then began to arise active Muslim community, and describes the men declined to comment this community, "Hornet's Nest" in front of her, especially as he had through his joy for his group ten atheist attacks of Spettmbr.valomam "Salem SLR" which the German authorities have rejected a request by naturalization also it has now become one of the defendants He denies that his mosque linked to terrorism and that he refuses to attacks. It is possible that the process of buying Nour mosque were carried out with the support of the Saudi capital Riyadh was the largest charitable foundation in this desert state, which was founded in 1992 under the name of "Al-Haramain" have paid for because three-quarters of the value of the mosque, and the director of this institution is the Sheikh, "Aqeel Aqeel "According to the record business is a partner in ownership. Saudi Arabia and this institution, which has good links with Berlin and a document considered to be an MP for a long time that the cow, including cash flow of the Organization of al-Qaida even if its president Sheikh Aqeel denied the existence of any kind of links with bin Laden's network. Meanwhile, the head of this institution Aqeel faced with a case filed against him with the District of Columbia court in the United States because of his support of others directly to the perpetrators of the attacks of September atheist US Treasury and the Ministry of the institution accused of abuse the funds financed terrorism and, in particular, through its offices and branches in Somalia Bosnia, which has links to al-Qaeda Americans and froze its accounts recently. It is said that the embassy "Faqih" an extension had been able to bring part of the Al-Haramain million to Germany and this has become a man who is protected by diplomatic immunity first address to the Islamists. This was not just a coincidence as men comment says to meet Tunisian "Ihsan c" clothe Hassan, who is now in detention Faqih after his arrival in Germany in January last year and was the gun which was found in a house in Berlin, chemicals and tools that are used in lightning industry which is found in a house in the city of Gelsenkirchen belongs to H.walhqh located in a building consists of six floors had been hired in the first of March line compound by phone does not work yet and it seems that this apartment was used as a warehouse and place of disappearance and also the security authorities believe that "good "who was responsible for the coordination of the attack it is. And that really has the experience in this especially as he had spent many years in al-Qaeda camps in Chechnya and Afghanistan in the beginning of the training and after he became Mderba.ojawaz Portuguese who was found detectives in his possession is one of the 500 passport unused was robbed by unknown from the Portuguese embassy

https://wikileaks.org/saudi-cables/doc123995.html

The link to the Der Spiegel story here
http://www.spiegel.de/spiegel/print/d-26740785.html

The Google English translation

The Saudi Connection

By Georg Mascolo and Holger Stark

The arrested terrorist suspects from Tunisia probably had a prominent supporter - an attaché at the Saudi Embassy in Berlin apparently helped with money and logistics.

The special task force to arrest of terrorist suspects Tunisian Ben S. was already on the way, as suddenly and unexpectedly came on Thursday the week before last, the large policy into play. Full of excitement reported his pursuers by the Federal Criminal Police (BKA), the man just disappear on Berlin's Kurfürstendamm in an official-looking building. Maybe if it were even to the Embassy of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia.

A little later confirmed the officers: Ben S. just leave the embassy building, he was sitting in a dark diplomatic vehicle of the Saudis, he would chauffeured by an Arab, he was going towards Charlottenburg.

No sooner had the Tunisians out of the car, the squad leader decided despite the expected political turmoil access - rightly, as it turned out: A subsequent search of two of S. and other suspects occupied dwellings in Berlin and Gelsenkirchen found the officials a sharp gun the brand Glock, a list of chemicals that are mixed together suffices as explosives, fuses Alarm for doors and windows, and two manuals on toxicology.

The operation "Day X", as the BKA internally calls its Special Commission had, apparently to prevent a planned attack in Germany. Six people, including Ben S., the Federal Prosecutor's Office arrested temporarily. The alleged main perpetrator, another Tunisian with the code name "Hassan", sits in custody since then.

At least as radical as the alleged terror ingredients however are the political consequences of the investigation. Again and again pushed the BKA-state protection at month-long monitoring on close links to Saudi Arabia. The alleged terrorist cell in Berlin, from the Attorney General believes that she had planned to commit a bomb attack during the war, was obviously at least one prominent supporter in the Saudi Embassy.

With the fall of a guess for almost certain knowledge that German and American intelligence officials and Crime Stoppers will cherish for some time: Saudi Arabia, officially partner in the fight against terrorism, serving as a hub for the followers of Osama bin Laden. At least parts of the Saudi government apparatus obviously support those fundamentalist groups to formally pursue - financially and how the Berlin case shows logistically, to a kind company car privilege for violent Islamists.

The investigators, the Saudi Connection At least with a high-ranking diplomat can now for the first time prove in sound and pictures: Again and again dipped officially accredited as Attaché Embassy employee named Mohammed J. Fakihi on in view of the constitutional protection. He met According to investigators, under conspiratorial circumstances with observierten target people and drove into the al-Nur mosque in Berlin-Neukölln around, which is a kind of haven for Islamists in the opinion of the Attorney General and in the circle around the arrested Tunisians and went out.

Fakihi had been introduced in Berlin in June 2000 as head of the "Islamic Department" of the message. Strangely graced his card not the official address of the message on the Kurfürstendamm. Very discreet, he resided in a newly renovated apartment block in the center of the capital. In Torstrasse 23 only a nondescript Klingelschild pointed out that the royal family from Riyadh entertained a branch of his diplomatic mission here.

To the attention of investigators of the Attaché was once advised: In the search of the residence of the now 15-year prison sentenced September 11th co-conspirator Mounir al-Motassadeq, the officials had found his calling card. A how German and Americans found, requiring explanation process. But to the pressing issues of the Federal Government answered the Arabs extremely tight-lipped: "Neither in nor out of the embassy," her staff had met with some suspects from the Hamburg environment of 11 September.

In this version there are now doubts: According to new instructions to Mohammed Fakihi should have taken two months after the attacks with the already under suspicion then Moroccan Motassadeq in the al-Quds mosque in Hamburg.

With a similar love of truth, the question had been answered, what the Islamic Department of the Berlin embassy so doing: They do, hemmed and the Saudis embarrassed about, "interested with the culture of Islam known" and also do nothing but good to the relations between Germany and deepen Saudi Arabia. Fakihi has to have been something of a special envoy, a broker for cases of understated style.

About him a deal to have been threaded, the cause for concern for many years the Protection of the Constitution: The purchase of the al-Nur mosque in Berlin's Neukölln. For 2,375,000 Mark Islamists had acquired the several thousand-square-foot plot in December 2000, according to the Land Registry. Since then, a highly active Islamic community had been established there. "A hornet's nest" was that the investigators where a prayer leader is said to have ever expressed his joy over the September 11 attacks expressed say. The imam Salem al-R., Which the authorities some time ago refused German citizenship is also one of the suspects now. He denies that his mosque had to do with terrorism. He reject attacks.

This was made possible the purchase of the al-Nur mosque by generous support from the Saudi capital Riyadh. One of the main foundations of the desert State, which founded in 1992, al-Haramain Foundation, presented ready three quarters of million sum. Its director, a sheikh called Aqeel al-Aqeel, is reported to the Land Registry as a co-owner.

The Saudi Foundation with good connections to distant Berlin has long been a cash cow for al-Qaeda - although Sheikh Aqeel any connections to the bin Laden network denied. At the US District Court of Columbia against the Foundation and its Chief Aqeel now a multimillion-dollar lawsuit for indirect support of the assassins of September 11th pending. The Foundation, also denounced the US Treasury, "abusing" their money to finance terrorism. Especially their offices in Bosnia and Somalia, whose accounts were frozen in the meantime, the Americans have, maintain close contacts with al-Qaeda.

Parts of the Haramain-million allegedly Embassy Attaché Fakihi directed to Germany. And otherwise the man was with the protected diplomatic status a premier source for Islamists.

So it was probably no coincidence that the detained Tunisians Ihsan G. alias Hassan announced loudly investigators after his entry in February last year when Fakihi. Hassan belonged According to investigators, the sharp weapon, the investigators found in Berlin, and also the list of chemicals including potential detonators that were hidden in an apartment in Gelsenkirchen. The apartment in a six-family house had been rented only on March 1, the phone line is not in operation. Apparently, it served as a depot and refuge. Hassan was the authorities who should coordinate the attack believe.

He has probably the expertise to do so.

For several years he is only in Chechnya, his then been in Afghanistan in al-Qaeda camps, initially for training, then probably even as an instructor. The Portuguese passport, which the BKA found with him belonged to a series of 500 blank document, the unknown had stolen in April last year in the Portuguese Embassy in Luxembourg - which applies to investigators as further evidence of integration in the Hassan international Islamist network.

At his arrest only chance prevented a diplomatic scandal. Because the driver of the Saudi diplomats carriage of Ben S. chauffeured to that meeting, at which the access was made, only narrowly escaped arrest - probably it was Attaché Fakihi itself.

The federal government liked despite the lack of evidence last no longer tolerate the activities of the Saudis. Rebels announced the Foreign Ministry with the diplomats of the king and confronted them with the investigation results. Such pressurized appealed the ruling house immediately from his attaché. Not, however, without the evening to meet again beforehand with one of the terrorist suspects, registered as investigators puzzled - Three days after the raid, the Sunday before last, Fakihi flew from Berlin-Tegel Frankfurt to Riyadh.

How unimpressed bypass the Saudis with the allegations, also shows a message in the daily newspaper "Riyadh Daily" from late last week. The accusations of the Germans, it says, are all unfounded. Fakihi'm just leave and would soon be back in Berlin.

GEORG Mascolo Holger Stark


http://www.spiegel.de/spiegel/print/d-26740785.html

I probably realize the stuff I do post gives the wrong impression and haven't read the rest of the replies but I didn't literally think September 11th was an "atheist accident" but more trying to figure out what they said there or a lot of the other stuff like the Rhejan or a lot of the other stuff. There is stuff in there about framing Iran or Assassination plots organized by Bandar on a Hezbollah figure -- allegedly video of Prince Bandar's admission on video though it was Iran paper reporting this but where-ever the video is he probably said it in Arabic. My searches come up with our media reporting Bandar assassinated in 2012 which was obviously false. CNN even

mmm youtube moc/watch?v=KD5hjEK178U (change letters around to watch -- thread felt too large with it as the focus for this reply is the two reports and differences)

Point is I have all this and I'm not even sure what I should do with it. As it is I've done so many it is easy to find something I remember reading but what Microsoft doc it is in. I realize the media is going to let them go to waste but Saudi will have no trouble getting Reuters or whoever to paint whatever picture they'd like and one thing I did notice is how they're being portrayed and what public opinion -- particularly in the US for them as they obsess over how they're portrayed there a distant second behind how often they obsess what the Iran papers or media are saying about them (from what I can tell they're far more honest & accurate than our media on comparable topics).

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Twenty-fourth meeting of the Coordinating Committee (Foreign Media Branch)
Held on 00/0 / 1432H corresponding to 00/0/2011
agenda
1 item first review the recommendations of the Twenty-Third Meeting of the Coordinating Committee Minutes.
Item 2 of the second review of the Commissioner issued orders on the recommendations of the twenty-third meeting.
3 third item "communication plan and influence."
4 fourth item "visuals Second Deputy Premier and Minister of Interior on security prohibitions of the Empty Quarter."
5 fifth item study and show visuals on the report prepared by the Information and Studies Center at the Foreign Ministry and entitled to "intellectual and media movement towards Islam and the UK and the impact of intellectual gatherings.
Item 6 on the sixth show visuals study by the Combating Terrorism Center (Combating Terrorism Center) of the US Military Academy in (West Point) under the title "trapped in the kingdom - the Shiites and the policy of confrontation.
7 Section VII determine the inclusion of media controls abusers of the Kingdom of the list of prevention from entering the Kingdom.
8 Article VIII study book, published by the newspaper "homeland" entitled War and the decision authored by Feith
9 Article IX study report presidency of the General Intelligence on the face of the newspaper "Arab life" that come from Toronto, Canada, and the underlying group of Shiite extremists of "Al-Khoei" Foundation
10 item tenth discuss the reasons for the weakness of the presence of the Saudi media in influencing the media scene to form a serious negative political opinion toward the internal, regional and international policies of the Kingdom and its implications, and discussed mechanisms to activate.
11 item atheist ten: study reportedly from the embassy in Rome on the adoption backed plans to adopt Subtitle support and stimulate the book to introduce the Kingdom.
12 item XII study encourage and support the Saudi Journalists and others loyal to the kingdom for integration into the global media organizations to cover the events of the region and the UK in particular objectivity and credibility and to avoid leaving this task to people drown them orientation Profile, sectarian and deliberately insulting the kingdom in one way or another.
13 item XIII show visualizations about the Egyptian Journalists urged fair-minded people who have positive attitudes with the Kingdom in response to what is published in the Egyptian press for the term Wahhabism and Saudi point of view, after the stability of the political situation in Egypt.
14 item fourteenth report unit Aleconimiset research on Saudi Arabia's political and economic outlook for the period of 2012 2016
15 item fifteenth create a cultural center in Britain at the suggestion of the Minister of Culture and Information.




(First item)
Review the recommendations of the minutes of the Twenty-Third Meeting of the Coordinating Committee
1 continuity plan and influence in their efforts to protect the gains of the previous campaign for public relations work with the non-image setback Kingdom on the American arena, and deal with any negative trends and containment.
2 support list included the US Centers for thought, and the proposal to form a committee from the competent authorities to develop a list of Saudi dignitaries to communicate with these centers. And to provide the embassy in Washington, the final list to coordinate their participation and then follow-up and evaluation.
3 activating the communication between think tanks and universities Arabia with studies and international thought existing centers, and promote the participation of Saudi academics in which to highlight the perspective of the Kingdom of the issues, and do all of the Kingdom's embassies in Britain and France prepare a list of centers of prestigious studies to deal with them on the same pattern.
4 to encourage direct communication between Saudi academics and their counterparts in Western universities to form a joint written about the Kingdom, or help them in independent authoring provide academic and cognitive support them, to meet the shortfall in scientific books and objectivity for the Kingdom in the global library and the growing international cognitive interest them.
5 to provide fellowship for researchers and writers by foreign think tanks in the kingdom, and activate mutual fellowship, including movement.
6 deal with universities and centers of international publishing houses, and the ability to global distribution and publishing.
7 the Kingdom's embassies in both Washington and London, Paris and Germany to prepare lists of names of writers and authors neutrals who can cooperate with them in this regard.
8 use of former US ambassadors to Saudi Arabia to deal with what is being said by doing them a personal initiative to clarify some misconceptions about the Kingdom.
9 writing to HRH the Second Vice domestication his opinion on security prohibitions that prevent and visiting journalists and travelers to the area of the Empty Quarter.
10 to deal with abuses suffered by Islam by some countries and follow up the Committee's recommendations regarding specific for such abuses and of "condemnation issuing statements to the issue of abuse, continue to collective action for Arabic and Islamic embassies issued by the abuse, evaluation of these abuses and prevalence of non-strategic exaggeration to move the largest size of the event.
11 about the book Mahdi to the Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques, may God protect him from Difogheir library in Spain, "the twenty-first century challenges" to ignore dealing with the book, which is the prerogative of intellectual and academic authorities.
12 For the report, "Center for Religious Freedom at the Hudson Institute in Washington," which criticizes the Saudi curriculum has been with God's help achieve good steps to ease the criticism, in addition to signs of the loss of credibility of the Institute referred to.
13 After reviewing the record of the problem Intergovernmental Committee for the study of the US shifts to project the US media in the Middle East and the Gulf region, the Committee recommended to continue the approach taken about it which would support national cohesion and maintain the security of the intellectual community.
14. After reviewing the report religions and peacemaking program of the US Institute of Peace, which indicates the true values of Islam, and the majority of Muslims reject violence and extremism, the Committee recommended to communicate with the Institute to take advantage of its activities and the positive direction.
15 After reviewing the survey prepared by the presidency of the General Intelligence for political, security and media repercussions on the Arab street and the reactions of the Saudi people on what was done by Israel of a devastating war, saw non-sparking conditions relating to Gaza at the moment for the emergence of other developments.






(Second item)
Review Commissioner issued orders on the recommendations of the Third and the First Meeting of the Committee
1 issued the royal order No. 3823 / MB dated 05/05/1431 e approving the recommendation of the twenty-third meeting of the Committee and included communication with the list of thought American Studies centers across a group of Saudi competencies, and the formation of a committee to draw up a list of names of Saudi dignitaries.
2 issued the royal order No. 4087 / MB dated 05/14/1431 AH judge to approve the strategy established by the Committee to deal with the offending books of the kingdom and Islam.
3 the royal order No. 4068 / MB dated 05/14/1431 AH judge issued approving the twelfth paragraph of the recommendation and included strategic shifts of the project Media US in the Middle East and the Gulf region and to work on the face of this penetration through positive steps to protect society from these currents.
4 issued the royal order No. 3785 / MB dated 05/05/1431 AH judge to approve the recommendation of the Committee by the communication plan and influence in cooperation with the US Institute of Peace to discuss the best ways to take advantage of its activities and the positive direction.
5 issued the royal order No. 48 021 / and the date 10/22/1432 e approve the recommended by the General Committee of the Council of Ministers on the eighth paragraph of the minutes of the meeting about how to deal with the external media when applying the statutory procedures against civilian and military citizens who publish or data and speeches that version State opposes the policy.
6 issued the royal order No. 48 704 / and date of 27/10/1432 AH judge to agree to what came in the tenth paragraph of the record book about seeing negative toward Islamic history and Islamic civilization without direct exposure of the Kingdom, and ignore dealing with the book.
7 issued Royal Decree No. 11138 / b and date of 04/03/1431 AH on former US ambassadors comments to the Kingdom and explained His Highness the President of the General Intelligence on the subject, and the support of the Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Interior visuals Prince, and referred to by the Coordinating Committee branch Foreign Media in the sixth paragraph of the twenty-third meeting of the Committee after studying for it.








(Third item)
Review of the Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques reports Embassy in Washington about communication plan and influence and activity of the embassy at the level of government relations and proposed strategies implemented during the year 2011.
The Commission received three quarterly reports for 2010 about the activity of the Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques Embassy in Washington after the issuance of the royal order the judge to end a campaign of public relations of the Kingdom in the United States and convert them to continue and the impact of the "lobby" with the new US administration's plan in order to deal with the developments on the US scene and the emergence of leaders in the new Congress and maintenance of the gains of the public relations campaign.
The reports show the concentration of US media during the year 2010 on the strength of the Saudi economy, oil prices, in addition to the Business Forum Saudi American opportunities in the city of Chicago, was highlighted on the strength of the Saudi economic ties US, also won the fatwa condemning terrorism and issued by Saudi scientists a great deal of coverage in the major media and talked about the importance of the role of scientists deny terrorists access to the rules of recruitment, and the embassy issuing a press for Fatwa statement distributed to the media, also received the visit of the Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques, and his meeting with His Excellency President Obama, in addition to the Kingdom's efforts to fight terrorism and the program of counseling and rehabilitation as much as large coverage in the US media, as it was for the visit of the Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques to Lebanon accompanied by the Syrian president a great deal of media coverage and were considered to server
The Two Holy Mosques King Abdullah as a leader help ease tensions between Lebanon and Syria, on the other hand has been issued positive reports on the Kingdom as an ally important and a key US ally in the region to counter Iran's ambitions in addition to any plan aimed at achieving stability and security in Yemen and Afghanistan, also focused on all media US floods that swept through the area
Vast from Pakistan and highlighted the assistance provided by the Kingdom to the victims and pointed out that the Kingdom has been one of the few countries donated to support UN relief efforts in Pakistan, and was the most important issue was discussed during the third quarter was the announcement of US arms to be sold to the Kingdom deal worth $ 60 billion I have been to this deal as a wide range of media coverage has been met with responses strong reactions on the part of the US media and pro-Israel lobby and Middle East experts Affairs and confirm the positive impact of the deal on the US economy and the job market despite the presence of an attack on the deal, with some wondering about the arming state exists on its territory preparation of terrorists, and at the level of government relations has not seen the second and third from the previous year quarter any significant progress in the process of relevant Kingdom negative legislation was preoccupied Congress during that period the oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico and the issues of reform of financial systems and controls and issues of the domestic economy, and did not, or are traded consider any other legislation, has continued communication with the embassy presidents and members of the assistants and with the two pieces of legislation important committees in Congress.
The Commission received visuals Their Highnesses and Excellencies members of the agreement to the improvement in the affairs of Saudi Arabia in the US media, which started dealing with issues Kingdom
Positively and shrinking observations raised against the kingdom, and they see that is to continue these efforts through direct contacts by means mission of US media and intensify calls, visits and contact decision makers in the government and the Congress so as to enhance the position of the Kingdom and to highlight its efforts in support of international peace and stability and the fight against terrorism.
In the opinion of His Highness the Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques ambassador in London that he should give the issue of amending Anthony Law Weiner relating to deprive the Kingdom of external financial aid importance and the adoption of the necessary about them until things do not evolve and harm the interests of the Kingdom, as the Minister of Commerce and Industry believes it is necessary to co-opt some members of the US Congress to prevent the passing of a law "to achieve justice
Care in the face of terrorism, "which put Senator Specter early, since in case of approval, it will restore all lawsuits filed against the Saudi government and royal family.
The following is a summary of the most important activities of the embassy in Washington during that period:
"Meetings in conger Q with 28 members and 202 associate,
Contract (5) committees enlighten meetings in Congress,
Contract (7) occasions connect with social groups,
Contract (7) enlighten media meetings,
Publishing (29) press release, and (1067) article in Twitter.







(Item IV)
Review of the royal order No. 10214 / b and date of 02/29/1431 AH on the study of visuals HRH Second Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of the Interior on security prohibitions that prevent visiting journalists, travelers and researchers of the Empty Quarter and regions of the Kingdom's various historical and geographic locations
Paragraph "seventh," which included the minutes of the Coordinating Committee, "branch outside the media" at its third meeting of the twenty-writing to His Royal Highness Second Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Interior of the domestication Bray Prince about the security taboos shift between visiting journalists, travelers and researchers of the Empty Quarter, the study of the topic integrated security and media aspects.
The Commission has received visuals called "report" implies that the Ministry of Interior and after the events of the 11th of September noted the increase in requests from media organizations and Western US, either through representations Kingdom abroad or through the Ministry of Culture and Information or public bodies for tourism or by media organizations and national collaborating with the media organizations Western, to visit the kingdom and focus on the Empty Quarter and the holy sites and pilgrimage routes archaeological and areas where Jews had the presence of the pre-Islamic, generating a lot of uncertainty in the safety and objectives of these institutions, and that most requests for Atakhlu of searching for the following elements (history, religion, nature, oil, borders, effects Islamic, vital areas of security and economically, and that the reservation was to allow those institutions to penetrate regions of the Kingdom in order to preserve national security (The report contains the model of those Tlba and actors), and the Ministry of Interior noticed that lists devices that asks brought with them containing specifications of devices
Especially such as monitoring analog maps, jumping in the air until the altitude "300", and beams transported directly event to an external future after determining coordinates automatically, devices to monitor radiation in the soil and imaging the unseen and guiding satellites from the ground to monitor a certain point, the work of a specific electronic maps, and that these technical equipment dedicated to the collection of information, the report said the Empty Quarter does not have the what tempted the Western media and has no tourist facilities bring tourists did not announce the presence of traces or geographic configurations can be seen, which is likely to be behind these demands, many of the non-targets declared a intelligence take media interface her, the report said one US channel aired a debate summarized the Empty Quarter was not discovered enough, and this adds to the suspicion that the goals can be of significance on it, and was not announced such as: know the quality of the population and their way of life and the factors influencing them, the weather and what equipment that can fit the work of the special forces, the quality of the land and find out mechanisms that could be used where, metals and mineral resources, monitoring of what can be monitored from the resort terrorists or wanted in this region, the report indicates that the Empty Quarter There is the military, security and economic facilities in addition to the It may be the limits of areas where security lapses surveyed feared, so most of the applications constitute its committees of media and security agencies and recommends these committees not to expand in that.
The Commission has received visuals His Royal Highness Ambassador of the Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques in London and see his may be difficult to impose a total ban to visit some places that have a media and cultural need, and where there is security, the Prince is advisable to referral to the security committee to consider the request, he prohibitions can not impose a ban comprehensive because of its negative impact on the image of the kingdom and that is achieved through a deliberate policy from time to time according to a specific schedule and monitor the security of the institution to ensure media coverage has also received visuals Minister of Commerce and Industry, which supports all been pointed out by His Royal Highness
Second Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Interior of the important points, and shared his opinion on the lack of expansion and allow those media organizations visited the Empty Quarter and other areas that have sensitivity.
The Commission received visuals HE Ambassador of the Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques in Washington, which believes that the visit of the Empty Quarter before US destinations comes in a limited way and visit related Shaybah field and in coordination with Saudi Aramco.





(Article V)
Review of the royal order No. 7544 / B and the date of 13.2.1431 on his study and show visuals on the report prepared by the Information and Studies Center at the Foreign Ministry and entitled to "intellectual and media movement towards Islam and Saudi Arabia, and the impact of intellectual gatherings them
Issued the royal order No. 7544 / B and the date 13/2/1431 e to study and show visuals on the report prepared by the Information and Studies Center at the Foreign Ministry and entitled to "intellectual and media movement towards Islam and Saudi Arabia, and the impact of intellectual gatherings by" summary report is an analytical summary of what has been monitored I wrote about the negative aspects of the Kingdom and its leadership since the beginning of the 11th of September until the date of the crisis and preparing the report.
The Commission has received visuals His Royal Highness Ambassador of the Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques in London and see Highness said that the report contained important information on the categories of the book known written extensively about the Kingdom and Islam and sought to create a state of hostility to Islam and the UK, the report rated Hola book into four categories, and the differences between them slim and identical and that his preferred that are classified on the basis of degrees of hostility and conviction and faith and refute those categories and models of the book representing each category, and believes that those who write about many of the kingdom and those who criticize Islam, more so, it is necessary to find an institution or a cultural center including a Saudi and non-Saudi intellectual figures It has the ability to deal with the bidders on the positions of the Kingdom in terms of academic, intellectual and publication of studies to serve Islam and the UK. The Commission also received visuals Minister of Commerce and Industry, which supports what was the recommendation contained in the report on the establishment of the Islamic World League play an important role to contain some book people with Islamic assets,
And take advantage of organizations and Islamic centers located in America and Europe, which sympathizes with the Kingdom of the impact on this category making them neutral in their proposals and ideas.
The Commission received visuals Minister of Culture, media and who believe that the report summarizes some of the waves of media campaigns that are repeated since the time against Islam and the UK, and take several directions in their approach and style to pass their visions and ideas in the media, right-wing anti-Islam and Muslims which facilitated the spread to end annoying, and consistent Ma'aleh with what was stated in the report contain the most important recommendations of the Muslim writers and develop an action plan in coordination with the Muslim World League.
The Commission received visuals HE Saudi Ambassador in Washington, which pays tribute to the study noting that there are follow-up by the Embassy in Washington, what is going on in think tanks or writes about the UK and there continues between them, and explains that the anti-Kingdom centers of ideological hand or religious difficult to deal with and a lot of them is one of the extremists and have no credibility and usually write in magazines have their distribution limited, and see His Excellency Ambassador to continue follow-up of these centers remotely without answering as it draws attention to it and earned a reputation for Atsthakha, focus on think tanks and personalities moderate.



(Item VI)
Review of the royal order No. 2842 / MB dated 29/03/1431 H, on the study released by the Combating Terrorism Center (Combating Terrorism Center) of the US Military Academy (West Point) under the title "trapped in the kingdom - the Shiites and the policy of confrontation in Saudi Arabia "By Toby Jones
Issued Royal Decree No. 2842 / MB dated 29/03/1431 AH study report prepared by the Combating Terrorism Center of the US Military Academy (West Point) under the title (trapped in the kingdom - the Shiites and the policy of confrontation in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia) By Toby Jones, center The issue is mentioned studies and independent research and analytical reports reflect the views and attitudes of her book and not necessarily the positions of the Academy of the Ministry of Defense or the US Ooaovernmh, as for study author Dr. / Toby Jones is an academic who specializes in issues of the region.
The main points of the report include:
Attainment of sectarian ferment end of excessive activity in the UK, where it meets the religious difference hostility, Shiites's two million people are facing levels of hostility more than usual, the (men's body) and security forces attacked hundreds of Shiites, who were visiting the holy sites in Medina , followed by the escalating tensions between Shiites and government and prominent Sunni clerics.
Recently, Sheikh Adil Kalbani criticism of the Shiite sect as a form of apostasy and is considered incitement Kalbani worrisome because it apparently reflects the government's desire to overlook the escalation of sectarian hatred, on the part of Shiites ignited some of their leaders fire Klav.utalb Shiite cleric Nimr Shiites to secede from Kingdom.
The role of the Saudi government in authorizing the religious institution the authority to exercise the worst, and as a result Shiites adopted a radical approach, The specter of militancy swirling skies Kingdom and in light of the possibility of extremist Shiite groups move towards confrontation, and between those moves emergence of Hezbollah (Saudi Arabia) in the Hijaz again (which believed to be responsible for the bombing of Khobar complex, which killed 19 US soldiers).
Shiites and their leaders continue to seek to protect themselves from religious extremism and social and political injustice, they have encouraged the settlement rather than confrontation and sought in the process. Today is subject to this endeavor towards integration and tolerance to enormous pressure. Under the offensive by government and religious authorities in Saudi Shiites, the conditions are ripe for a new Shiite rebellion.
The possibility of resorting to the Shiite extremism, violence persists in the kingdom because of the ridicule they face and because of concern about their fate will remain. The Saudi government to pay what the situation worse, by adopting a combination of neglect and confrontation toward Shiites.
Slowing the Saudi government to prosecute year clerics who regularly launch an immediate attack on Shiites in Saudi Arabia, Iraq and other countries in the region.
The government did not only fail to control the rudder on a sectarian basis criticism, but contributed in raising sectarian fire.
Saudi leaders worry of mounting star of Iran (and its influence on Syria and Hezbollah in Lebanon) from dominating the region.
Failure by King Abdullah to play a sectarian paper directly, but it is clear that the Saudi leaders to allow their followers, and perhaps encourage them to do so.
Saudi Shiites have a sense that they are on the direct line of fire, and the events of the city in 2009, make them feel that they are living in an environment turn into a poisoned environment. They believe that the launch deadly attacks on their community

A matter of time, so the Shiite Bosses will continue to call for coexistence, tolerance and the promotion of political pluralism and reform as an essential means to protect their interests.
Al-Saffar and his followers try to walk in the footsteps of King Abdullah in the hope of directing Kingdom on the road to a more liberal and tolerant. This strategy has achieved little results.
However, it is unlikely Under Astmraraltuge sectarian persecution by the state, and to overlook the injustices of the Shiites, to skip Tiger Oouhzb God Saudi Arabia or some other political networks stage expression of anger through political discourse and the adoption of the confrontation, and that a clash of violent seems more likely in light of The current government went in contempt of Shiites and police acted brutally towards them, tragic results will occur if the Shiites have resorted to the insurgency. Shiites historically proved that they do not rush to embrace violence even in the current tense environment, and that the Shiite leaders are seeking to settle and find ways to prevent the escalation of tension and to prevent dangerous results
Sect leaders are aware that the exercise of terrorism will offset strongly not before them by the Saudi government that are sure to Chen prosecution as a reaction to this escalation campaign, he can avoid violence, and that this depends on how much support they can meet him Shiites from the government, which often it sought sectarian and anti-Shiite to control, based on such feelings wherever it deems it appropriate, rather than to work hard to get rid of them.
Continue the Saudi government to deal with the Shiites as if they were representing more than being a minority seeking to remove the social and religious discrimination security problem.
The rise of Iran and the Shiites of Iraq blocking the Saudi government concern on a clear vision with regard to domestic policy, which increases the likelihood of serious clashes.
On the other hand it has included Royal Decree visuals HRH the Second Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Interior about the study and included the following:
Interest in the media and clarification of which the Shiites to enjoy their rights like all other citizens, and there is no racial discrimination or sectarian practiced them, and to clarify the photo-realism to put the Shiites in the kingdom and are characterized by the respect and esteem and equality of the children of the year, and that the author of this study was not objective in his study, but He was biased to the Shiites.
Anti activate media in what he writes online sites and respond to compelling all the elongated Kingdom and legally prosecuted.
Leverage what is stated in the study emphasize the positive aspects such as the rejection of extremism and violence and this is the approach adopted by the Kingdom Perhaps the Interfaith Dialogue Conference best witness to that.
That are made to understand the imams and preachers not to go into the things fueling sectarian strife in the Kingdom those relating Shiites infidels and especially.
For his part, His Royal Highness the President of the General Intelligence sees the follow-up versions of this center and centers of similar importance in guiding visions of elites in the Western and Arab communities, and that there be anti studies, especially since there focused on the Shiites in the Arab world and the Gulf states including Saudi situations.
The Commission visuals His Royal Highness Ambassador of the Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques in London included received that the study does not involve new and that is what the author already reported in other studies, including (search for a social contract of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia) and (spring Kingdom silent) and writer known for it from Darcy contemporary history, which is the kind of Middle East specialist who sees things from a Western vision of secular studies, and thus seen as an area of background do not fit perfectly with the requirements and history of the region, and there is sympathy for always standing with minorities without scrutiny in the social and political realities and historical background and threats Foreign majority opinion and ideology.

He added that the writer's conclusions that there is no relationship between the Shiite militants in Saudi Arabia and Iran are contrary to what he said in the same text that the moderate Shiites in the kingdom such as
Hassan al-Saffar associated with reference Shirazi, who believes that the clergy must lay hold the reins of power varies only with Khomeini in the velayat-e faqih and give it absolute power. As well as saying that the Shiites believe militants such as Tiger Reference Khomeini, in other words, both communities have religious authority and believes that religious thought should be judged. There is a lot of contradiction in asking the author and therefore easier to criticize and refute his statements. However, since this type of well-known writers and can not be changed put it is advisable in this light that deliberately embassies abroad guided by the recommendation of the Ministry of Interior, including the need to explain to the media that the Shiites are citizens just like the others, and to respond to what is being said of the accusations, but according to need and interest, highlighting the role of the Kingdom in the issues of extremism and call for dialogue, also being careful to make clear to mosque preachers to take off for the data that are harmful to religion and the homeland and return to reason and interest.
The Commission received visuals Minister of Commerce and Industry, who believes that the study Despite the bias is clear for the Shiites, but they are important and worthy of further analysis and follow-up fact that it comes at a very sensitive time as a result of Iran's direct and indirect interventions in the affairs of countries in the region and in particular what happened in each of the Yemen and Iraq, adding that the study shed light on the attempts by some influential forces in the Western world inciting sectarian strife between Sunnis and Shiites in the Kingdom through their use of the media and modern means of communication, which calls for addressing such attempts and caution of the future dimensions of security and stability in the Kingdom, and this requires further efforts to clarify the facts and enlighten the Western societies that the Shiites in the Kingdom enjoy all human, political and civil rights, and that many of them held the senior positions in the State and the Shura Council, and that the rumors about

Marginalization of the Saudi government to them politically and ideologically surrounded, economically and socially pure fabrications
Sectarian paper of most securities seriousness, however, the enemies of the kingdom should stand firmly and seriously against their use of that paper, and miss the opportunity for them to ignite sectarian fire in the Kingdom, through the deployment of integration and tolerance policy at home, and preferably be done through intensive information campaigns targeting Western public opinion, It includes seminars and meetings held with those interested in this matter, and the issuance of brochures, books and research highlights that enjoyed by Shiites in the kingdom of equality in benefits and rights, taking into account certainly the imams and preachers in the Kingdom and the clergy to avoid anything that might cause tension with Shiite community in the Kingdom and get away from the excitement and inciting sectarian strife against them, and encourage the Shiites to integrate into Saudi society.
The Commission also received visuals His Excellency the Minister of Culture and Information included the following observations: -
Will be all local media guide to highlight the Islamic leadership role for the kingdom and enlighten public opinion to remove the confusion about what is being put forward in the media scene of topics related to this matter, as it will contribute to a good contribution to clarify the true role of the Kingdom for all its citizens, with the assurance that everyone is entitled to all their rights.
Importance that there be support for all media projects that aim to respond to any false cases against the kingdom and refute what is being said of the allegations against her. Also, to provide material support to stations Islamic radio and television and working on finding space for programs and advocacy for scientists Kingdom and other scientists moderates to clarify the right of Islamic thought is one of the priorities in order to avoid what in such studies of cons not been for the fact that any link.
Agree with what came in the Interior Ministry report, around the center and academic with respect to Bavham imams and preachers not to engage in fueling sectarian strife in the Kingdom

The Commission also received visuals HE Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques ambassador to Washington included the effect on the views of the writers, researchers and studies that they consider can be done through enlightening about the facts in the kingdom and to communicate with them and give them the opportunity to elicit information from original and reliable sources. The embassy in that side order of a program of visits to members and researchers from important think tanks as well as professors and university students.
For the proposal to the media attention and clarify the picture on the status of the Shiites in the kingdom and its Ihzawn of respect and appreciation and equality of the children of the year, appropriate and useful to consider how to apply it.
Appropriate recommendation concerning Bavham imams and preachers not to go into matters of sectarian strife in a private kingdom, which relate to the Shia and infidels.
As for the recommendation for activating the counter information regarding writes online sites and respond to each elongated the UK and prosecuted legally, they need to in-depth study, as the websites for many, and the prosecution of all elongated the Kingdom may be impractical, adding that most of the sites that exposed to the Kingdom often do not have the credibility or impact.





(Section VII)
Review of Royal Decree No. 4071 / MB dated 05/14/1431 H, on the study of the recommendations contained in the minutes of the committee formed the High Order No. 9533 and the date of 11/20/1430 AH, to determine controls the inclusion of media abusers of the Kingdom of the list of prevention of the entry of the Kingdom
Issued Royal Decree No. 4071 / MB dated 14/05/1431 H, to study the recommendations contained in the minutes of the committee that formed the High Order No. 9533 and the date of 11/20/1430 AH of each of the ministries (Interior, Intelligence, Foreign Affairs, Culture and Information), which met at the headquarters of The Interior Ministry on Saturday, 22/2/1431 AH, to determine the inclusion of media controls abusive Kingdom in the list of the ban from entering the kingdom and reached the following recommendations:
Importance that there be data on the media abusive Kingdom include a number of points so as to map out a strategy to deal with them base.
The importance of recognizing circles effect in the State of the offending media.
The importance of identifying offending against the kingdom, objectives and motivations type.
The importance of the employment database to co-opt and correct the offending media's position as a first step, and if desired are going for the second step of the diplomatic activation has not been achieved, and finally on the list of inclusions ban from entering the Kingdom.
The Commission has received visuals His Royal Highness Ambassador of the Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques in London, where he sees his recommendations issued by useful and important Committee and in particular item on the data on the journalists base and that will paint a clear picture of the journalists and their attitudes and current and expected behavior, and most of the journalists in the world Arab at the moment are not
Type ideological that prevailed in the fifties and even the seventies, but the kind of the one who looking for his living, and working within the framework of the institution, the hostile be hostile and vice versa and that, based on the data base can know the general trends of media institutions and those who made it and future directions for journalists, with whom he can draw a strategy for dealing with them.
The Commission also received visuals Minister of Commerce and Industry, which supports the statement in the record and is exactly what is stated in paragraph (4) of the importance of the employment data base on all abusing the media in shaping the kingdom's strategy to induce him and correct his positions. Since the containment policy is much better than confrontation policy, which must be given sufficient time to deal with foreign journalists
The Commission received visuals His Excellency the Minister of Culture and Information, who supports preferably as stated in the minutes of the committee, and there is no any notes on it.






(Article VIII)
Review of the royal order No. 25013 / b and date of 27/05/1431 AH, on the study of the book published by the newspaper "homeland" entitled "War and Decision
High Order No. 25013 / b and date of 05/27/1431 AH judge issued to provide the Coordinating Committee branch outside the media a copy of a telegram of His Royal Highness the President of the General Intelligence included visuals Prince on what was published by the newspaper "homeland" of America release of the book entitled as "War and Decision" to author Douglas Feith for the war on Iraq, which the US plan to change regimes in a number of Arab and Islamic countries to details, as well as evaluation of the study sent by HRH Second Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of the Interior to the contents of the book and what has been reached of the findings and recommendations reveals.
Visuals Commission received His Royal Highness Ambassador of the Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques in London, and sees his book falls in the justificatory framework of the policies of Bush, and lists see someone governor and his interpretation of events, and how he managed to provide the US president the best tips that serve America. And he sees His Highness that the statements received from the officials at the Ministry of Defense, such as Richard Perle opposition support in the Arab countries, and statements by Powell on the rearrangement of the region, and what was said about plans for regime change in America, not only by the speculation and is not easy to apply in the era of the US administration new, and with regard to the establishment of the center or institute specialized regional and international strategic studies, the Prince finds that the proposal is important and worthy of study.

(Article VIII)
Review of the royal order No. 25013 / b and date of 27/05/1431 AH, on the study of the book published by the newspaper "homeland" entitled "War and Decision
High Order No. 25013 / b and date of 05/27/1431 AH judge issued to provide the Coordinating Committee branch outside the media a copy of a telegram of His Royal Highness the President of the General Intelligence included visuals Prince on what was published by the newspaper "homeland" of America release of the book entitled as "War and Decision" to author Douglas Feith for the war on Iraq, which the US plan to change regimes in a number of Arab and Islamic countries to details, as well as evaluation of the study sent by HRH Second Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of the Interior to the contents of the book and what has been reached of the findings and recommendations reveals.
Visuals Commission received His Royal Highness Ambassador of the Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques in London, and sees his book falls in the justificatory framework of the policies of Bush, and lists see someone governor and his interpretation of events, and how he managed to provide the US president the best tips that serve America. And he sees His Highness that the statements received from the officials at the Ministry of Defense, such as Richard Perle opposition support in the Arab countries, and statements by Powell on the rearrangement of the region, and what was said about plans for regime change in America, not only by the speculation and is not easy to apply in the era of the US administration new, and with regard to the establishment of the center or institute specialized regional and international strategic studies, the Prince finds that the proposal is important and worthy of study.
The Commission also received visuals Minister of Commerce and Industry, who believes that the study and the report, which was prepared by the Ministry of the Interior and the General Intelligence Presidency which contained a thorough analysis on the subject, and is consistent with the views and recommendations contained in the report of General Intelligence Presidency, supports the visuals and the Interior Ministry on the need to establish an Institute or Center specializes US and international studies
The strategy for the study of the major powers systems, policies, plans, and documentation of these studies to have a political decision-maker is based upon to deal with such studies.
The Commission also received visuals His Excellency Ambassador of the High place in Washington who believes that the book reflects the vision of one of the most important symbols of the neo-conservatives in the Pentagon Aban Bush period, where the author of the book "War and Decision" mainly for the defense of the charges against him of manipulating the information Alastbartip aim the invasion of Iraq which led to the left of the Ministry of Defense in 2005, and it reflects the visions of the neo-conservative views often loyal to the trends of the Israeli Likud Party with respect to the Middle East issues and who succeeded to the United States invaded Iraq.
The neo-cons have a lot of credibility in the last period for US President Bush, and make matters worse for them during the current US administration as any ideas or plans for them toward the Middle East does not exceed traded by some intellectual centers limited impact.





(Article IX)
Review of the royal order No. 4192 / MB dated 19/05/1431 e report on the study of the presidency of the General Intelligence on the face of the newspaper "Arab Life" weekly issued from Toronto, Canada, and the underlying group of Shiite extremists of "Al-Khoei" Foundation
The order was issued Royal Decree No. 4192 / MB dated 05/19/1431 AH on the study of the report of the presidency of the General Intelligence on the face of the newspaper "Arab Life" weekly issued from Toronto, Canada, and distributed free of charge and is based upon a group of Shiite extremists of "Al-Khoei" institution over which he presides Dr. Khalil al-Tabtabai, exercise and active media against the kingdom through the redeployment of articles dealing with the Kingdom and its officials are negative.
The report suggests the action to do next:
1 support two newspapers, "the country, and the expatriate Arab," which issued in Canada and they went counter to the Iranian newspaper Arab life and politics.
2 is supported by two newspapers referred to, through the Standing Committee to assist the media at the Ministry of Culture and Information of $ (36) Annual thousand dollars for a period of five years, and are evaluating the performance of the two newspapers after two years, and during that assessment be recommended continued support, amended or stopped.
3 High above the embassy in Ottawa caution clicking on the Hajj and Umrah institutions that deal or publish newspaper advertisements Arab life.
The Commission has received visuals primarily Commissioner Embassy in Ottawa and included support for paragraphs (2.1), but for paragraph (3), the embassy believes that this puts them in an awkward position in front of the Canadian government compared
The limited impact of the newspaper, which is one of the tabloid newspapers distributed free of charge and that the spread of the Shiite community is currently only "Iraqi, Lebanese" in the provinces of Quebec and Ontario.
The Commission has received visuals Minister of Commerce support included providing support for the two referred to and to use such a method in the face of newspapers or similar media.
The Commission also received visuals His Excellency the Minister of Culture and Information included support to provide support for the two referred to and that is the assessment year to see the impact of this support on its approach to editorial in support of the Kingdom, which is sufficient for evaluation period, and to be proposed support for a direct route through the Ministry of Culture and Information participate in newspapers, and that there is coordination between the embassy and the Ministry of Culture and Information to pass some media messages for publication in newspapers.
The Commission received visuals HE Ambassador of the Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques in Washington supported by visuals Embassy in Ottawa on paragraph 3.1, but for the second paragraph he felt that newspapers are supported for a period of one year without the commitment and that is Takimanma during the six or the first nine months.

(Item X)
Discuss the reasons for the weakness of the presence of the Saudi media in influencing the media arena serious politician to form a negative opinion towards the internal, regional and international policies of the Kingdom and its implications, and discussed mechanisms to activate
It was noted that since the regimes change in Tunisia and Egypt have seen the media scene in all their forms a flood of news and views in the Saudi regard internal and external It was noted weakness that was not the absence of the role of the media Saudi effective in influencing the media scene, and that the serious implications for making public opinion internally, regionally and internationally , as well as it could lead to the formation of negative public opinion toward the Kingdom's policies at all levels.
The Commission has received over

https://wikileaks.org/saudi-cables/doc121445.html


whatthehey

(3,660 posts)
3. Without the source documents I cannot be sure but my money is on zindiq
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 01:55 PM
Jul 2015

Last edited Wed Jul 22, 2015, 02:44 PM - Edit history (2)

It's a word used to relate to both heretical Muslims outside orthodoxy/orthopraxy, and nonbelievers too. A clumsy translating algorithm would go for the simplest alternative, atheist.

What they are apparently stressing is much like Christians do when their coreligionists shoot doctors or torture children by withholding medical care: "it's ok they are not REAL Christians". Here it's a washing of hands that this was not carried out by right-thinking orthodox Muslims. That in itself is questionable at best, but not unlikely as an official public opinion from SA spokespeople.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
11. At the Saudi cable right click
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 05:35 AM
Jul 2015

on the left it is on the left. 95% of it deals with the press either in how they're being portrayed, how they would like to be portrayed - and where, and the challenges with things like social media and "exponent laws". I think it could be likely a mistranslation of the day of the month as I notice September 2001 but no 11 but I'd have to go back. Atheist appears regularly or often "atheist:. It would take awhile and drown out the thread finding good examples to all this but I've read enough to know that clearly isn't at all what they're saying given they also talk a lot about Wahhabism. Given that the 'House of Saud' are the originally followers of the ultraconservative fundamentalist orthodox sect -- besides they'd be clearly saying that in so many other documents but actually aren't distancing themselves but so worried about what the press knows or reports.

Spreading it as many places as they can. Through the airwaves, opening Islamic centers & mosques. Mexico, South America, Europe, India, Australia, where-ever. The only groups they appear to quite clearly rejecting are Iran, Shia, Hezbollah, Hamas(suggestion to blackmail Hamas), Shia or generally the citizens of Bahrain, Yemen, South Sudan, and elsewhere. Assad is the major one. Plenty of stuff with Turkey, Qatar (offering France $80 billion to give Assad up), etc. A lot of times the "Zionist state" and occasionally America though it is more of a "don't trust" or "shouldn't we include America?" in these talks with Europe but I think the atheist label is for the US not for them. Generally outside of those groups they really aren't concerned with Al-Qaeda or the Wahhabi terror groups the only time they do mention it is when the press mentions them, their funding for those groups, all the stuff they have been organizing with Syria & Iran.

Again with enough time I could find examples backing all this up but it would also 100x this post but this was a recent easy to find (sort by date modified)

Saudi Arabia also embarrassed Ptvjerathm MINI Security in the city of Riyadh, and their argument in fighting the Muslims within Muslim homes; the following: 1 - The fight first of fighting Aladualbaid Aladoualgarib., 2. that the blood of Muslims that Sntzv is because of the referees, Fighting must be under the banner of Muslim and Kied'h Muslim 0
3. that the basis for the existence of colonialism in the Levant is these rulers, Valibde the elimination of colonialism is the work is meaningful and useful and is a waste of time, and the first to devote efforts to establish the law of God and the uprooting of these infidel leaders and replace them with full Islamic system.
And displays Almav through his ideas of "The Riyadh bombings provisions and effects" issued by the Islamic group Qanla that the most important negatives that resulted from the bombings carried out by al-Qaeda in Riyadh; as follows: (a) directing arrows of blame to Saudi Arabia General and to the Saudi security in particular, and arrived blame a range of about Saudi security failed to prevent the bombings and prevent them despite Thanirat America to Saudi Arabia, a close this particular operations.
(B) after the bombings Payam many Americans talked about the need to abolish effortless the Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice, where America has taken from this Nraah bombings to demand the abolition of this trivial grounds that it Nthavi personal freedom and bump into.

https://wikileaks.org/saudi-cables/doc106035.html

This isn't a press review so there is a image



Prevention of vice is certainly what Wahhabism and Saudi Arabia is known for. Additionally with their known ties to funding these groups, the Pakistan ISI known ties, etc. plus while a lot of times the topic approaches it becomes less clear for me (outside of press reviews or anything more formal) but what is clear who they hate and the certainly sponsor & approve of the ideology so they'd say the "unbeliever" thing for anyone less than Taliban or ISIS. I could post a whole lot more but want to keep it short.

Also a few times they mention what Perle said about them bothers them a lot with the plan to intensive press portraying them as not what they are or ignoring what they do & who they really are. They also find social media to be very troubling. This isn't particularly clear but easiest one I could find that I knew wasn't a press review.

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So far, Kbioh challenges to the royal family Oolsairmatsat government. For example, failure
https://wikileaks.org/saudi-cables/doc79906.html

Instead of posting a graphic again it is at the link. The press stuff is more than just a page or two so that is why those come in document forms (I have some press stuff that is over 20 Microsoft pages. There is one where they say a "Zionist paper" revealed the King of Saudi Arabia offered to buy Facebook for $150 billion -- I'll post that too, a small part of a 7 page document that is under the heading "Resalat / King Abdullah is trying to buy Facebook / 06/03/2011 / p. 8"

--

One of the Zionist newspapers recently revealed that the Saudi monarch suggest buying site (Facebook), and display the amount of $ 150 billion to buy the site. As it is clear that the proposal is designed to power the way for opponents of the Saudi regime in Saudi Arabia of using Facebook to incite demonstrations. The newspaper is following: However, the news reporting sources reported that Zucker Berg - Facebook founder and owner of the site - rejected the Saudi proposal, but he promised not to allow the opposition to publish offensive topics!. However, the king did not trust promises (Zucker Berg). The opposition in Egypt and Libya have ridiculed this site to incite against Mubarak and Gaddafi. And the paper went on: But the Saudi official in Riyadh denied the existence of such a proposal, explaining that this news unfounded. However, it is hard for all that Al-Saud do not hesitate on the use of any means in order to stay in power. And remember the newspaper: the important thing is that the House of Saud feel threatened about the current situation in Saudi Arabia. For this exercise Arabia at the present time a negative role in the Middle East. (MM)

https://wikileaks.org/saudi-cables/doc116555.html

I'm done for today, a lot of hunting & digging & that Der Spiegel article hunt wore me down. I appreciate the interest & comments.




 

olddots

(10,237 posts)
6. I won't say its conspiracy theory
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 03:21 PM
Jul 2015

but I will say its weird .As a proud but not orthodox atheist I hear alot of anti atheist dribble but this sounds like a communication flaw .

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
9. It wasn't meant to say that
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 02:55 AM
Jul 2015

it was meant more to try to figure out Saudi Arabia means by "accident" or why atheist or atheist ten is often combined but many other times it isn't. Saudi Arabia talks about September 11th, not exactly smoking gun material on a lot though one directly implicates Prince Bander coordinating the attacks from the Saudi embassy in DC but that was a press story so couldn't tell if they inserted the truth or what the report reported, they do include their thoughts within their reports on what press agency said about them (I think true stories interest them) but outside of anything like that though this is more of goals rather than revelations here but all I meant to be saying was trying to figure out what they mean or say, particularly with the mystery words which this lacks. Just an example of something more clearer that lacks the atheist word for some reason.

(this is much longer but focusing on September 11 parts)

<snip>


Supervision of the doctor
Newborn of the Nwisser
1430/2009
In the name of God, the most Merciful, the most Compassionate
The introduction
Events formed September 11, 2001 in the United States of America turning point of important very in history the international relationships, then this events imposed collapses her on all countries the world whether in method directly or indirectly, as this events in appearance of concepts contributed and new terminologies in the international politics examples “axis of evil” and " the war on the terrorism” and other her the concepts which basis to the impact in the international politics 1 aimed.
Already this events were for collapses her clear on nature the external relationships for the Arabic kingdom Saudi Arabia whether on the local arena or international, so because of that events passed the relationships Saudi Arabia – the American in sharp crisis, arrived to the extent that orientation fingers of the accusation informational for the Saudi in the stop behind that events, with silence – deliberate - from the side of the American administration with the aim of the pressing on Saudi Arabia for the deviating about her positions the rejecter for the assistance in campaign of the United States against what brands him “in the terrorism”, of which pushing of Saudi Arabia to the initiative in revival and activation of relationships her political and the economist is oasis military with other countries in the world, on headed her China and Russian and countries of the European Union, so the acceleration in execution steps of free trade area between the two groups called to gulf and European 1.

<snip>In addition to the social changes on internally and which witnessed her the Saudi society since beginning the new century and which manner of the change rose in her result for this events. Has already Saudi Arabia faced big pressures after September 11 and circle of uncertainty and the doubt became in concerning in believed her aal'aydlwjyt, as that the war on Iraq and the American desire in investigation the stability in the area and who requires extra from the political and social reform in the area the matter who increase of the pressing on the kingdom contributed in. As first step performed in her the kingdom in this direction that baptized create kind of the meat and the national affiliation between factions gathered through establishing (center of the King leopard for the national dialogue), and after that faithful way of the political open-mindedness witnessed the kingdom first native elections on level all areas for half the members, as that the leadership Saudi Arabia worked strategic plan to combat terrorism through to call contract of symposiums and international specialized conferences hereby the matter, in addition to I worked for the sake of the annihilation of believed the extremism and the strictness which be characterized in her some factions the Saudi society through (program returning preparation of friends of the stray thought).
And aims the searching to throwing the light on the political transformation and the economist appear and social which witnessed her Saudi Arabia as a result most modern September 11 and the effects which become organized on her whether internationally generality or regionally the represented in area Middle East, and finally on internally facilitating to review the changes which the external politics Saudi Arabia as response for this local challenges and the internationalism and the territoriality hit. Already this change in the external politics was result for several reasons and distances:
After two securities of interior, and imitates that in the attempts which straightens in her America for the sake of events of change in method administration of the political regime, and which establishment of principles is complete through involved political and supporting of the freedoms in the different political domains and the intellectualism and other her, as that she causing of change in the social regime seeks to, since all data indicate to connection the apparent terrorism and outbreak of the extremist thought with faction from the people in diminishing level of education and the poverty and the jobless.
After two external securities, and imitates that in that the Middle East Region became stage for the disturbances and lack of the stability, so who the war on Afghanistan to occupation of Iraq and finally the threat in beating Iran.
Economic distance, was imperatively on the kingdom that is with her more than economic partner even removes from the partnership with America disgraces, therefore losing was idea diversification of the partnerships it strategic which will straighten on her the external politics Saudi Arabia. In addition to that encouragement of that states for the investment in Saudi Arabia presence companies foreign of safety valve against any threats from any state the biggest states will make from.
Political distance, the searching about international other forces imitates in addition to America as partners support Saudi Arabia in the international assemblies child of public opinion worldwide.
Military distance, so who during diversification of the military partnerships the kingdom can that maneuvers and speech of the force for purchase of the weapons negotiates from and the military required and the practice.
Who here importance of this searching precisely more important features the external politics summarizes Saudi Arabia at some stage after events September 11, and discussion of the bases and the constants which leaned on her the politics Saudi Arabia in her dealing with collapses this events and the international resulting transformations her and regard concerning in the international war on the terrorism and confrontation axis of the evil and which the war on Afghanistan and Iraq and the continuous threats for Syria and Iran included, addition of course for the lined threats for the Arabic kingdom Saudi Arabia whether politically or economic or military and finally specification of the social changes which witnessed her the kingdom on internally.
This searching from inquiry of president rushs his meaning “is the transformation in the external politics fall under Saudi Arabia after events September 11 within the framework of reactions towards the American politics in the area, or that this transformation he is natural product to role of the kingdom developed on even regional my fathers and maturity the founded politics external of Saudi Arabia and apprehension importance and necessity of diversification of the international partnerships whether politically or economic or military or social”.
It ramifies about this question group the subsidiary inquiries:
Firstly: What the produced transformations which witnessed her the international politics result for events September 11, 2001, and what it reasons of this transformations?
Secondly: How this international transformations on politics be reversed the regional forces and regard in the Middle East Region?
Thirdly: What it established and constants of the external politics for the Arabic kingdom Saudi Arabia?
Fourthly: What events influenced September 11 on the relationships American Saudi Arabia?
Fifthly: What more important features of the transformation in the external politics Saudi Arabia after September 11?
Sixth: How the external politics Saudi Arabia with requirements of the new partnerships and her dealt challenges?

(this is a 17 page Microsoft document so I'd just put it through a translator to read more)

https://wikileaks.org/saudi-cables/doc123995.html


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