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Octafish

(55,745 posts)
Tue Jul 21, 2015, 09:52 AM Jul 2015

Broke Teens Rot in Chicago Jails for Years Awaiting Trials

by Ralph Lopez
WhoWhatWhy.org, JULY 16, 2015

WhoWhatWhy has discovered that scores of young people have been denied their freedom—and their Constitutional right to a “speedy and public trial”—while being held in Chicago jails, some of them for years.

A Freedom of Information Act request revealed that dozens of detainees who were under the age of 18 when they were booked have been incarcerated for more than two years—simply because they couldn’t post bail while awaiting trial. Thirty one juveniles have been held for at least two years and another 33 have been awaiting their trial in jail for more than a year. Twelve have been in detention for three years or more.

The findings are part of a WhoWhatWhy investigation into the treatment of teenagers who are sitting in the nation’s jails because they cannot afford bail. The probe was triggered by the suicide of Kalief Browder.

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Worse, other cities continue to operate similarly flawed justice systems whose excesses have gone largely unscrutinized, until now.

Chicago is one of those cities, as revealed by a WhoWhatWhy Freedom of Information request. While Chicago’s Cook County Sheriff’s Office does not collect data on specifically why such detainees remain in jail, a follow-up with a Sheriff’s Office official confirmed that “it is fair to assume that individuals in the jail who remain in custody despite being given a cash bond are unable to afford to post the required amount.”

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http://whowhatwhy.org/2015/07/16/whowhatwhy-investigation-shows-broke-teens-rot-in-chicago-jails-for-years-awaiting-trials/

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Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
1. Could there be something put together like the 'RollingDebtJubilee' that buys up debt for pennies on
Tue Jul 21, 2015, 09:57 AM
Jul 2015

the dollar and cancels it, that puts up bail for people who shouldn't be rotting in jail while awaiting trial? (If we can't simply get laws changed to have 'maximum' lengths of imprisonment for those awaiting trial for crimes, such that you can't be imprisoned for, at the very least, longer than the sentence you'll probably get for the crime itself?

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
3. Great ideas on all counts.
Tue Jul 21, 2015, 10:09 AM
Jul 2015

If money determines how the law is applied, we have a problem. Children left to rot their lives away because their families are distressed economically is more than a shame, it is itself a crime.

We the People paid for the Banksters' Jubilee. The re-set should also be applied to regular folk who have become distressed due to the Banksters' actions.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
4. A kid rotting in jail is disturbing.
Tue Jul 21, 2015, 10:18 AM
Jul 2015

The adults charged with processing each case, who have allowed some to rot for years, are bigger criminals.

Ghost in the Machine

(14,912 posts)
6. IF they haven't been to trial in 2 to 3 years, SOMEONE needs to file a lawsuit on these counties
Tue Jul 21, 2015, 10:31 AM
Jul 2015

and cities that are holding them. That's Civil Rights Violations. We have enough lawyers, teachers, professors, etc. here, why can't we start our own Foundation to help raise funds to help these kids being illegally detained.

If there was any way you could post each city/county, and the names of the detainees, I would urge any lawyer here from any of the areas to help these poor kids out!

Excellent post, as always, Octafish!

Peace,

Ghost

starroute

(12,977 posts)
9. Sixth Amendment
Tue Jul 21, 2015, 12:06 PM
Jul 2015

One we don't hear about enough.

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.

Ghost in the Machine

(14,912 posts)
10. That sure doesn't seem to be happening, though. That's why I suggested a lawsuit for Civil Rights
Tue Jul 21, 2015, 12:22 PM
Jul 2015

Violations. Make these cities and counties accountable, and make them pay out for their gross negligence and/or incompetence.

Around here, an overworked, underpaid Public Defender could have had them out by now. I have no idea what their charges are, but where I live, a bondsman can get you out for $87.50 for assault, DUI and a number of other charges that carry a $500 bond. It's 10%, which is $50, then $37.50 for the bondsmans fee...

Peace,

Ghost

mountain grammy

(26,663 posts)
7. Haven't seen much of this on the "news"
Tue Jul 21, 2015, 11:04 AM
Jul 2015

but there was the shark attacking the surfer. Wonder if the children rotting in jails got to see that.

A HERETIC I AM

(24,380 posts)
8. Iliana Ros-Lehtinin (nitwit, Miami) is against the opening of the American Embassy in Havana....
Tue Jul 21, 2015, 11:28 AM
Jul 2015

Because she said we should not normalize relations with a country that has human rights abuses.

Hey dumbass! Why don't you worry about the clear human rights abuses right here in the U.S., like in Chicago?

iscooterliberally

(2,864 posts)
11. I wonder how much the privatized prison industry is responsible for this.
Tue Jul 21, 2015, 01:05 PM
Jul 2015

We have greedy profit driven corporations that make money keeping people locked up for whatever reason. It really should be illegal for private companies to run prisons in a free country. So much for 'innocent until proven guilty' when there are profits to be had. It seems that we are stuck with government by the money of the money and for the money. We are kidding ourselves every time we call ourselves 'the land of the free' while shit like this goes on. Our criminal justice system is FUBAR.

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
12. It's fucking sick.
Tue Jul 21, 2015, 01:09 PM
Jul 2015

The whole 'justice' system is broken and the 'rule of law' is practically meaningless.
There needs to be ground up reforms by citizen councils not police, DAs, or politicians.

In the mean time why are social justice groups not stepping in and bailing these kids out?
That would seem to be a great use of their resources.
The same question goes for activists with the finances to do so.

 

happyslug

(14,779 posts)
13. You miss the real reason for this delay, it favors the prosecution
Tue Jul 21, 2015, 01:24 PM
Jul 2015

As a general rule, the courts have held that a trial must begin within 180 days of an arrest. Continuances by the prosecution do NOT stop the running of such time, but continuances by the defense does. Thus by under-funding the Public Defender's office you force such Public Defenders not be take on the case till it is set for trial, and then the Public Defenders know they need more time will ask for more time. Such continuances request by Defense Attorneys do NOT run the 180 day clock and Prosecutors count on this (Remember the OJ Simpson trial? The Prosecutors were NOT prepared for trial on the 180th day, but the Defense was for OJ hired them day one, they had the six months to prepare for the trial, most Public Defenders are lucky to get six days).

In the OJ Simpson Trial the Defense was ready, the prosecution was NOT for the prosecution had come to rely on Defense motions for continuances because the Public Defenders do not have the fund to give their attorneys time to prepare once they are assigned a new case. The OJ attorney took advantage of the system and was one of the reason OJ was acquitted.

On the other hand, if someone can NOT make bail, he is also stuck with the Public Defender, who is often assigned the case right after he or she had finished her last one, and often days before the set trial date. To be prepared for such trials, the Public Defender has to interview the witnesses and review the evidence and that takes time, thus Public Defenders ask for the time and since it is technically a request from the Defense, any such delay is NOT counted against the 180 day rule.

Thus you end up with cases where someone served more then whatever the sentence would have been and given a choice, admit guilt and walk free for he or she had served the max time away, or stay in jail while the trial takes place on the grounds you did not do the crime, and if you are ruled to be NOT GUILTY, you have no recourse for the police can rely on "Probable Cause" for justification to keep you in jail till the end of the trial. Thus a lot of "Felonies" and "Misdemeanors" admittance is more an agreement to get out of jail then anything else. This favors the Prosecution.

On top of this a lot of the costs of prosecution are covered by the fines, fines best collected as a forfeiture of any bond upon conviction. Thus a lot of bonds equal the amount of the fine that the Court will want you to pay. If the bond does not equal the fine, it may be nearly impossible to collect the fine given most convicted persons have a hard time finding a job.

Sorry, the court system is paid for by filing fees and fines. Most Police Departments either rely on Fines for paying the Police Budget or it is a tremendous part of where their budget comes from. This is more true in Suburban America then any place else. Inner cities police often rely on taxes for their pay and thus can trace themselves in the days before Traffic Tickets became a steady stream of income. True Rural America either do without police OR rely on the State Police, who like Suburban Police are paid for by traffic and other tickets. Thus it is small towns and cities along with Suburban communities that rely on fines to fund themselves more then Urban centers and Rural areas.

Sorry, if you want to end this lock up system, we need to strictly follow the 180 day rule. If the Public Defender is NOT ready, the Judge must make sure he or she is and if it is do to the fact the case was given to the Public Defender to late, the case should be dismissed.

The more I think of it, the best solution would be to abolish the Public Defender's office and make the District Attorney the office that provides attorneys in such cases. A good attorney knows both how to prosecute and defend a case and if they can NOT do both, they should not be an attorney. The District Attorney should be an administrator who hires assistant DAs to be either prosecutors or defense attorneys as needed. Will this lead to conflicts? Yes, but such conflicts occur anyway for most Assistant District Attorney later go on into private practice. A good part of this is the Police would not know if an Assistant District Attorney is working to prosecute or defend the person they arrested. Any case should be assigned on a random basis and if an Assistant District Attorney does not want to take on a defense case, he has to show a clear conflict OR resign. That would STOP the practice of under funding the Public Defender's office, for the any money going to the DA, must also be spent on Defense. Yes, the attorneys in the DA's office will talk about their cases and their clients, but that occurs today anyway. Tell each attorney confidential information can not be reveal to anyone and that solves that problem (and if it is revealed, the attorney is fired and his "client" released).

I am sorry, I do NOT see any other way to make sure Public Defenders get the money they need to prepare to defend people within 180 days of the Client's arrest. You solve THAT problem, you solve the problem of people being held two to three years before trial.

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KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
14. And how much are Chicago taxpayers paying to house and feed them?
Tue Jul 21, 2015, 01:48 PM
Jul 2015

My guess is a hell of a lot more than the amount of bail involved.

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