Palace defends footage of Queen's Nazi salute

[steve2470]

Last edited Sat Jul 18, 2015, 09:53 AM - Edit history (1)

http://www.channel4.com/news/queen-royal-family-nazi-salute-edward-viii-adolf-hitler

Buckingham Palace says it is "disappointing" The Sun newspaper has released a film showing the Queen and Queen mother giving Nazi salutes around 1933.

The Queen, who was then aged six or seven, is shown at Balmoral raising her arm in a Nazi salute as she played alongside her sister Margaret, the Queen mother and her uncle Prince Edward.

A Buckingham Palace spokesman said: "It is disappointing that film, shot eight decades ago and apparently from Her Majesty's personal family archive, has been obtained and exploited in this manner."

I understand that they don't like this coming out
The Sun's managing editor

The film lasts about 17 seconds, and shows the Queen Mother making a Nazi salute, then the Queen glancing towards her and mimicking the gesture.

[cwydro]

1. Oh please, The Sun?

That's a tabloid.

[Adrahil]

4. Who cares if it's true!?

I mean, sweet Jeebus, she was 6 or 7. What use is this, other than to embarass her?

[steve2470]

6. yep, the Queen was a child nt

[Adrahil]

10. Nazis are offensive to me. But she was 6!

My parents were pretty racist, and I did some stupid racist shit before I was old enough to know better. You don't hold kids responsible for what they did when they were 6. And the sympathies some of the Windsors held for the Nazis is already well known. This isn't a revelation.

[Adrahil]

20. Don't be an asshole.

1) in most cases, yes, but the majority of the time, the racism was not directed at an individual, And I was over it (as much as a teenage kid can get over such things by high school). In one paicular case, i never did apologize. The people involved were criminals, but i do regret the racial component of my reaction to them, even though i was just 11.

2) my parents got over it too. Buy the time I went to college, they had changed substantially.

And no, I don't feel guilty. I feel regret, but that's not the same. I was a kid, and had not fully formed as a rational being yet. As i matured, i rejected that philosophy and way of thinking. And yeah, once or two got into shouting matches with my parents when i to.d them not to use words like that around me. And ya know what? They came to overcome it too, at least as much as old people can. If i felt guilt for every asshole move i made in my life, i'd spend all my time feeling guilty and never do anything positive. Fuck that. Regret your actions, change them, and move the fuck on.

People like you make me embrassed of the left.

[Adrahil]

27. Ok, that's it. No one talks like that. You MUST be a troll.

Or may as well be one. Good bye!

[cwydro]

26. This new poster is all over the board making statements

that appear to be intended to start a flame war.

I don't have an ignore list, but I intend to ignore the posts.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

29. I've got one

and he got onto it by his 16th post, a new record.

[cwydro]

30. Lol!

Should be interesting.

[cwydro]

36. Just to let you know.

He's gone.

That was quick.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

39. That must be why I can see your reply.

I couldn't see your earlier one, of course, because my comment was nested below some of his. Now that he got booted, I can see both of yours.

[cwydro]

46. Lol!

MIRT was on the ball today, as always.

[gollygee]

32. It looks like

what a right-winger thinks anti-racism looks like.

[cwydro]

33. There's something that puts me in mind of a certain kind of burrowing mammal,

ya know?

[Snow Leopard]

21. Holy crap

It was 33, hitler was a rock star back then and wasn't known for racial genocide.

[Matrosov]

35. Jews and slavs aren't people of color

Also interesting that despite all the talk about Aryan supremacy, the Nazis were more than happy to ally with Arabs (Palestinians) and Asians (Japanese)

[TheNutcracker]

52. The Royal Family IS German! They changed their name to Windsor after a street to pick a name!

[cwydro]

5. How are you bringing racism into this thread?

Complete non sequitur.

The Sun publishes garbage on a regular basis.

[cwydro]

18. That's not what this thread is about.

But, ok.

I see you all over the board bringing race into every thread, so you have a fine time doing so.

[cwydro]

25. Keep trying.

[gollygee]

2. It seems like I've read that Edward was a Nazi sympathizer

So I'm not suprised by him. Elizabeth was just a little girl and her mother might not have really known or understood what all was up in 1933. Just as well Edward wasn't king during WWII.

[Adrahil]

7. Yes. Yes he was....

Very much a Nazi sympathizer, at least before the war.

[alphafemale]

8. 1933? American school children were probably still "saluting" the flag with that gesture.

It was a very benign thing at the time. 1933.

[ananda]

11. No it wasn't.

It was never benign.

[NuclearDem]

38. ...

Not saluting Hitler. Reciting the pledge of allegiance.

Next you'll tell us the swastika was never a symbol of peace.

[NutmegYankee]

40. Before being known as the Nazi Salute, it was the Roman Salute.

And was held in honor by most western cultures like other Roman symbols.

Look at the Eagle symbol for instance. Or short hair for men.

[ananda]

47. This is weird.

I had been thinking of Hitler as another Caesar all morning... probably because of the Heil Hitler being so derivative of Hail Caesar. I'm not surprised then about the similar symbology.

Thanks,
ananda

[NutmegYankee]

49. Third Reich comes from that meaning in a way.

The first empire (for Germans) was the Holy Roman Empire (962-1806). The second was the German Empire (1871–1918). Hitler saw himself as "emperor".

As for the US flag salute, here's the story - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bellamy_salute

[1939]

50. Roman salute

I believe that the arm was more vertical in the Roman salute rather than a a forty-five degree angle as the Nazis did it.

[NutmegYankee]

51. No one is sure.

Ancient artwork varies on the presentation. In the USA it was the Bellamy Salute or Flag Salute years before the fascists adopted it. This happens with many symbols. The swastika is a Hindu religious symbol, but is now reviled in the West. The raised or clenched fist is seen as a symbol of solidarity or worker/socialist power, but is also used by extreme white power groups.

[nadinbrzezinski]

53. A version is still used by Mexican Presidents when they take

the oath. It is also used to pledge to the flag.

Pena Nieto for example

[ananda]

12. This is a better thread on this subject, with a lot of detailed history.

See:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141149645

[steve2470]

15. thanks! nt

[alphafemale]

14. It was 1933. This was American school children in that time period.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bellamy_salute#/media/File:Students_pledging_allegiance_to_the_American_flag_with_the_Bellamy_salute.jpg

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

31. Thread win.

Tabloid rags just love to take things entirely out of historical context.

[brooklynite]

17. History is history

No matter who delivers it.

[Lizzie Poppet]

41. History also tells us that Elizabeth served in the fight against the Nazis.

[steve2470]

42. excellent point and pics nt

[spanone]

22. yawn....

80 freakin' years ago????

[Takket]

28. i must be missing something...

this was 1933, the same year hitler rose to power. the queen was 6. Even if the queen was an adult at the point, was there any reason to be offended by a Nazi salute in 1933? WW2 broke out in 1939. in 1933 was there any indication yet that the Nazis were going to end up where they did?

I feel like someone has just shown me a picture of Obama as a child going to a muslim school and they are telling me this proves he's a muslim.

[HassleCat]

34. Things to consider

In 1933, most people around the world had only a vague idea about Hitler, the Nazis, racial purity, and all the rest. Many prominent Americans went to Germany, and came back praising the orderly, efficient way Hitler was running things.

[Ilsa]

54. Hitler was barely chancellor when this film was taken.

And Elizabeth was a child. This was to sell newspapers, nothing more.

[closeupready]

37. And later during the Blitz, they stayed put in London.

When they could have fled.

The Sun, The Daily Mail, Huffington Post - tabloids with content intended only to stir the pot.

[steve2470]

44. +1 nt

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

43. She was a little kid

Maybe the parents were Nazi sympathizers, but little kids don't know better. In the 30s, before anyone realized just how extreme the Nazis would prove to be, you had thousands of Americans in the German American Bund giving the Nazi salute, including little children. They even had summer camps for kids where the theme was how wonderful the Nazis and Hitler were. You also had thousands of Americans praising another bloodthirsty murderer, Stalin. The Sun apparently doesn't care about its reputation.

Kids' summer camp in upper New York State:

[uriel1972]

45. I am disturbed by children...

aping their elder's bad habits, but I do not criticise the child.
The fascist sympathies in the ruling classes of Great Britain and other nations during the 20's and 30's are not well known in the public mind, but should be.

[Charlie Brown]

48. I used to pretend to be darth vader & skeletor when I was 7

I hope that doesn't call my character into question in 50 years.

[Danmel]

55. There was a German Bund Nazi community on Eastern Long Island in the 30s

http://untappedcities.com/2015/04/02/this-former-nazi-town-on-long-island-with-adolf-hitler-street-still-exists/

[Orrex]

56. I'll bet that she's been plotting a Nazi takeover for 82 years.

She was a scheming little six-year-old, no mistake.

[pnwmom]

57. And how do we know they weren't making fun of the salute, or "larking about"

as the report said?