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http://www.eurweb.com/2012/05/trayvon-martin-autopsy-single-gunshot-wound-cut-on-knuckle/*Florida teenager Trayvon Martin died from a single gunshot wound to the chest fired from intermediate range, according to an autopsy report reviewed Wednesday by NBC News
QUESTION: What does "intermediate range" mean?
Their are media sources no doubt trying to spin this story, the knuckle reports haven't been official
The official report, prepared by the medical examiner in Volusia County, Fla., also found that the 17-year-old had one other fresh injury a small abrasion, no more than a quarter-inch in size on his left ring finger below the knuckle.
NRA and it's homies are getting nervous or people reporting this are just being f**kin sloppy to no end.
Thx for any input
southernyankeebelle
(11,304 posts)uponit7771
(90,370 posts)...and not someone getting their head pounded in and pulling a gun to shoot someone in the upper chest while laying down on their back....
That to me is the weirdest part about what the M$M is reporting
southernyankeebelle
(11,304 posts)eyes. I'd want to see pictures of that. I don't believe it.
uponit7771
(90,370 posts)southernyankeebelle
(11,304 posts)to wonder.
vaberella
(24,634 posts)So I'll let that pass. But this is a family doctor and well...family doctors have helped me out in the past if I said I needed a doctors note.
southernyankeebelle
(11,304 posts)Bake
(21,977 posts)Sounds to me like Trayvon didn't break Zippy's nose or blacken his eyes. So the next question is, who did?
Bake
uponit7771
(90,370 posts)....and I agree with you..
You break someones nose your hand swells especially at that age
vaberella
(24,634 posts)uponit7771
(90,370 posts)southernyankeebelle
(11,304 posts)vaberella
(24,634 posts)I can't even picture the idea of maybe Zimmerman getting away from Trayvon and trying to run away. And let's say Trayvon is running after him...then did he stop to fire at Trayvon? But Trayvon would be fast, he was on the football team. Plus, you don't get a good aim when you are running and then shooting. I am lost. Why does this sound like an execution style sort of thing. It's like Trayvon stopped and him might have had a scuffle. Zimmerman got away and pulled out his gun. Trayvon sees this and stops. But instead of waiting for the cops, Zimmerman wanted retribution (if he was attacked) and killed him. Ahhhh....that would be murder 2 then, right?
vaberella
(24,634 posts)I mean I am stuck on what to believe. I mean it makes his story seem really washy. It also gives me the impression that Trayvon was moving away from him. I don't get it.
uponit7771
(90,370 posts)...the official report and are saying it was close range.
If intermediate means 6 ft or so then this fits MOST peoples notion that Martin was shot
Also, how in the world does an upper chest wound occur when someone is lying down on their back and shooting up...
It would be a lower chest wound or the angle would be funny...
Read the FBI is getting involved, I can see why...
Stupid ass'd police department...
People don't understand it's the contempt of the PD for this young man that people are upset about also...
It's crazy
slackmaster
(60,567 posts)For a rifle it would be about 200 - 500 yards. For a handgun, inches to a few feet.
vaberella
(24,634 posts)slackmaster
(60,567 posts)The terminology is based on the appearance and other characteristics of the wound.
My perspective is from target shooting and self-defense training. Quite different than medical examiner speak.
ETA apparently it doesn't mean any specific distance, just close enough that there is powder tattooing around the wound but not in contact.
uponit7771
(90,370 posts)PotatoChip
(3,186 posts)But I could be wrong.
ETA: Not sure if link answers the question properly though- other then the fact that it seems to suggest that slackmaster probably had it right. Or it may be somewhere in between what he and I said.
Link mentions 'hard contact wounds, 'contact wounds', 'intermediate-range wounds', and finally 'distance wounds' as the 4 forensic categories.
In intermediate-range wounds, the muzzle is held away from the skin but close enough that it still produces powder tattooing. This type of wound is also characterized by numerous reddish-brown to orange-red lesions around the entrance to the wound.
http://www.relentlessdefense.com/forensics/gunshot-wounds/
slackmaster
(60,567 posts)...on the skin, whatever that means.
I don't believe it's possible for us to translate that into an accurate distance range.
PotatoChip
(3,186 posts)I must have been editing when you wrote that.
ETA: Reread your other post- you and I were apparently saying the same thing to begin with. D'oh.
southernyankeebelle
(11,304 posts)vaberella
(24,634 posts)The main reason is because it could be seen that Trayvon could have been the one on the ground with Zimmerman on top of him and he was grabbing on Zimmerman to defend himself--and got in a swing. Or it could have happened in the transportation of the body...considering he was in the morgue for 3 days...and for some reason they were not releasing the body to the parents.
uponit7771
(90,370 posts)...no sense of compassion either.
My understanding is they knew who the young man was and where he lived and decided not to tell the parents...
my goodness...
Quezacoatl
(113 posts)Also when here fired the gun would his arm also be somewhat extended? Yet still not close range.
Also intermediate range suggests that there wasn't a fight for the weapon.
vaberella
(24,634 posts)uponit7771
(90,370 posts)...was 1ft away while someone was getting their head pounded into the ground.
Also, the bullet angle would have to angle upword towards Martins shoulder if the arm wasn't extended somewhat...
ZMan should submit his help scream for sound analysis....him not submitting his voice scream is what is making me think he was guilty as sin and just a hot head who let loose on the wrong black kid that night
NoGOPZone
(2,971 posts)but keep in mind it says nothing about the range at which the weapon is effective but instead refers to what was found during an examination of the wound and the body and clothing of the victim.
ileus
(15,396 posts)When I heard intermediate range I was thing 6-8 feet.
nykym
(3,063 posts)the grassy knoll!