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(15,429 posts)Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(108,360 posts)I remember when Michelle Bachman was in front. Then it was Newt Gingrich and so on.
Chiyo-chichi
(3,591 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)syllable - like he says
nom·i·nee
ˌnäməˈnē/
but, when you ask to hear pronunciation - they accent the last
https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=nominee
rock
(13,218 posts)As if it were spelled "nomimy" rhyming with "hominy". Heavy stress is given on the last syllable in my dictionary. Though the word sounds perfectly normal to me with heavy stress on the first and medium stress on the last.
Chiyo-chichi
(3,591 posts)That's why the stress mark is subscript. Note the superscript stress mark before the last syllable, indicating primary stress.
Dictionary.com gives "nom-uh-nee"
Kenyon & Knott's Pronouncing Dictionary of American English (the definitive source, IMO) gives the stress on the last syllable. Kenyon & Knott's uses the International Phonetic Alphabet, so I can't reproduce it here... and they don't give an alternate pronunciation.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)for InSUREance. Sounds ignorant.
Oh...another... MOTtoe for motto
lark
(23,182 posts)Judge us by our brains and words instead of the way we pronounce things. We think pak mah cah sounds weird, so guess we're not as judgemental as others. (?)
I'm really sick of people saying "southerners", like it's every one of us, are ignorant because we speak with a different accent. Wrong, wrong, wrong.
Ishoutandscream2
(6,664 posts)If you're down here, then YOU are the one saying it incorrectly. God, I'm so sick of this shit on DU.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)else who is saying a word incorrectly, you fit right in. But, here's what I don't understand (and using this example, NAY' TOE (like it is two words), because I have never heard anyone else say it that way anywhere else)...why people don't notice that everyone else they hear when traveling elsewhere - while watching news, commentary, events, etc. is saying it differently. Like it or not, the people who are saying it correctly - judge you as not being perceptive enough to realize you are not saying it correctly.
YOHABLO
(7,358 posts)I was a waiter here in Atlanta, and I've waited on some New Yorkers that I would like to spit on. Such rude people.
People down here in GA are very hospitable and friendly. Many of us are Dems and Liberals too. So watch it.
whatthehey
(3,660 posts)IPA indicates a long a as in base (too lazy to copy IPA characters) followed by long o as in code, which in "pidgin phonetics" would be as you typed it.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)what I am describing is an accent on TOE. Nay TOE. Mot TOE. Like each is two words
Fortinbras Armstrong
(4,473 posts)With the accent on the second syllable, ve-HIC-le.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)A Simple Game
(9,214 posts)how to speak English.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)were two peoples divided by a common language.
A Simple Game
(9,214 posts)Let's not even mention the British dialects.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)vlyons
(10,252 posts)If the ignorance was inherently and intrinsicly in the sound of how the word is pronounced, then everyone everywhere would agree that INsurance etc sounds ignorant. But that is clearly not the case. No dear, the label "ignorant" is a quality that you impute and project onto the sound that you hear. The ignorance is in you. Go study the heart sutra.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)But when I lived in Fayetteville, NC when I was in High School everyone commented on how "funny" I sounded. And when I was in Boston everyone said I sounded like a foreigner, like I was British or something.
And I was brought up in Mexico and let me tell you that the Spanish speaking countries all have VERY different accents. You can tell what country the speaker is from by their accents, just like you can distinguish between Southern English, New England English, Irish and Scottish English, British English and Australian English.
We all sound weird to someone.
Personally I love different accents. I think it makes us all interesting.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)lunatica
(53,410 posts)Everyone learns to pronounce words as they hear them growing up.
How do you pronounce the word comparable? Is it with the accent on the the o or on the first a? I hear it pronounced both ways all the time. People pronounce it the way they hear it pronounced when they first hear it.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)Alittleliberal
(528 posts)Scary prospect.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)He's a radical supply sider. He is extremely anti-labor. He believes anything Wall Street wants they should have.
Electing Kasich would be about as bad as electing Jeb.
Alittleliberal
(528 posts)He seems like the only adult in the room compared to the rest of their clown car. That's very dangerous for us.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)roguevalley
(40,656 posts)drm604
(16,230 posts)Trump could win with 16% of the vote. Wow.
brooklynite
(94,852 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)RiverNoord
(1,150 posts)Except, possibly, Donald Trump. His support is pure racism. The cost to the nation's eroding capacity to engage in responsible self-government vastly outweighs any short-term political benefit to the Democratic party.
lolly
(3,248 posts)Seems to me if damage to responsible, serious government is the issue, every one of those candidates will continue the erosion.
RiverNoord
(1,150 posts)I just can't take pleasure in the continuing shift of tolerable open political dialogue toward extremism and corporatism in our country. Romney declares 42% of Americans are deadbeats (in that case, not exactly openly) and he still comes close-ish to becoming the President of the United States. So that enables the GOP and Tea Partiers to go further. Trump declares explicitly that immigrants from Mexico are murderers and rapists, and he sees a bump in support. This goes on everywhere, which is why cutting Social Security/Medicare benefits is now an open topic, rather than political death. The further the right pushes the dialogue into topics that:
1) Keep people squabbling over petty issues, meaningless to their corporate backers but great for distraction - god, guns, gays, 'race', abortion.
2) Subtly meld those issues with anti-viable government concepts (insufficient taxation so that undesirable government functions are subject to the chopping block, all forms of welfare are just helping deadbeats, etc.)
the further our Republic sinks toward corporate hegemony.
Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)We'd be celebrating pizza as the national food these days.
And furthermore, ol' Newt had trouble with his pronunciations because he was talking out his ass - as he'd always done before.
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)They are cowering before him.
He is like an out of control child emperor.
valerief
(53,235 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)Larger damage than the Republicans will admit. He is defining them as anti immigrant, racist shits. Which of course they are, but they like all of that to be more covert and less openly stated.
drm604
(16,230 posts)They prefer to telegraph their racism to that part of their base subtly. Trump is forcing them to openly either agree or disagree with his racist crap. If they disagree, they turn off that part of their base, and if they agree they turn off everyone else.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)with this moron: He is saying out loud what they and the base all actually believe but won't say. That's why they do not dare call him out. This is highly entertaining.
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)he can't be knocked out by "revelations" in the way that a normal candidate can.
The Republicans would have to screw him out of the nomination with procedural unfairness,
Trump could drag the nut vote out of the republican party
John Poet
(2,510 posts)spanone
(135,915 posts)Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)Gothmog
(145,752 posts)Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)Not stunning if it is par for the course!
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-hnhI6-fxOGU/TwtKuSKLYUI/AAAAAAAAAa4/wlNLDCi8AnA/s1600/poll+collapse.png
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jwirr
(39,215 posts)rpannier
(24,345 posts)trail a neurosurgeon, a guy who has filed for bankruptcy 6 times and a woman who nearly ruined a company
I wonder what Bill Buckley, Barry Goldwater, Dwight Eisenhower, Gov Dewey, Howard Baker, Nelson Rockefeller and Goodwin Knight would think
Cha
(297,890 posts)gordianot
(15,249 posts)Cursed are the right wing nut jobs they are not worthy to inherit anything.
Whiskeytide
(4,463 posts)... of friends who id as republicans. They both agreed Trump is batshit crazy, but they like that he's not the establishment and that he's not afraid to say what he thinks. Maybe they're so disappointed in the same old occupants of the clown car that they're just looking for a wild card. They seem to LIKE that he's turning their party inside out. Very odd.
GReedDiamond
(5,318 posts)...they are all LOVIN' on The Donald.
Weird, but, understandable, if you look at the rest of the GOP Klown Kar Kandidates, I guess.
Whiskeytide
(4,463 posts)... and pretty open minded on social issues. But electing a "businessman" to run the country like a business is right up their ally. I tell them all the time that they are the most dangerous conservatives on the planet because of that philosophy, but they think I'm just joking.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)The goal is to send a businessman like that to DC to bankrupt and destroy the Federal Govt.
NJCher
(35,788 posts)I knew at least once, but I had no idea six times.
That should be a meme, what you just wrote in your subject heading.
Cher
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)is a recipe for complete disaster. Like going to a podiatrist when you need a brain surgeon.
-none
(1,884 posts)It did not work too well and they had to back off. Lots of outsourcing of good long time government people and loss of institutional history.
BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)I ask them which company? Enron? Chrysler? WorldCom?
Then I ask them what percentage of businesses fail within TWO years? (It's about 80%). Do they want the government run like that?
Then I say the US, not run like a business, is over 200 years old and still going strong. NAME ONE BUSINESS, JUST ONE, that can say the same?
That usually shuts the dumb f--ks up.
tomm2thumbs
(13,297 posts)No doubt the fact that so many of the GOP field are inarticulate, unemotional politically-calculating goofs can make the difference on who you choose to hang your hat on.
Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)Whiskeytide
(4,463 posts)... with Stewart leaving TDS, I don't know where I'll go for comic relief!
CTyankee
(63,914 posts)I don't think he anticipated this craziness. Not that I think he'll just do TDS all over again, but something with bite and sting in a new way. He has to realize that we need him now more than ever...
B Calm
(28,762 posts)about getting out of the race. He was originally in the race to make the rest of their candidates look halfway sane. But as the polls are showing this is now going to far.
Maybe he'll run as independent.
Ex Lurker
(3,816 posts)He could win. I give him less than a 10% chance, but his chance is not zero. He sucks all the air out of the GOP race, nobody else is able to lay a glove on him, and he rides a populist wave of resentment to the nomination. Then Hilary (assuming she's the nominee) gets an unrecoverable October surprise, or has a serious health crisis, or something.
President Trump. Wonder what Putin would think of that?
AverageGuy
(80 posts)With so many candidates, the Republican convention will be deadlocked. This is because they have proportional distribution of delegates in the largest states. Donald may very well have one of the largest blocks. Romney will be chosen as the compromise candidate.
n2doc
(47,953 posts)Amishman
(5,559 posts)Renew Deal
(81,889 posts)riversedge
(70,383 posts)still_one
(92,484 posts)Renew Deal
(81,889 posts)Where does Trumps support go when he fizzles out? And where does Carson's go when he flames out?
AverageGuy
(80 posts)If you go to Free Republic, you will see how much they love him. To us he is a mad man, to them he tells it as it is. He knows TV so the debates will be easy for him, there will be no oops moment for him. He has name recognition in the primaries, and Jeb can not run away from his last name on the ballot. We may not understand why he is so strong in the polls, but the RNC does, and that is why they are not a happy bunch at this time.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)everything he says would be an oops for ANYONE else (unless, as the RudePundit riffed, Trump starts talking about F'ing Ferrets)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026959715
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)He could come out and admit he fucks sheep, or ferrets as the case may be, and no one would so much as raise an eyebrow. Everyone already knows he's the lowest kind of shitweasel in existence who is capable of doing or saying absolutely anything.
He has no surprise or shock factor. It really is funny.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)Except the monkeys are ram-fed full of meth and Red Bull.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)be Jeb's VP choice?
brooklynite
(94,852 posts)...President and Vice President have to be from different States.
former9thward
(32,111 posts)One of them could make a move to another state. Cheney lived in TX when Bush picked him. Cheney then moved to WY.
NYC Liberal
(20,138 posts)Cheney was not a resident of Wyoming by any serious reading of the law, but, of course, a Reagan-appointed judge dismissed the lawsuit.
Yet another way Bush/Cheney stole the election.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)is that Florida electors can't vote for both.
http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/apr/16/lawrence-odonnell/president-vice-president-same-state-allowed/
The answer is no. Neither the Constitution nor the Electoral College prevents Bush from picking a fellow Floridian or any candidate from choosing a running mate from the same state.
It just might make things tricky, depending on the situation.
We'll explain the why and how.
What the Constitution has to say about electing presidents
While registered voters select their preferred candidate for president, the actual electing of the president and vice president is in the hands of the Electoral College. There are 538 electors representing the 50 states and the District of Columbia. Candidates need a majority, 270, to win.
Those electors cast a separate vote for president and vice president. But that wasn't always the case. From 1789-1804, Electoral College members got to vote for two men (and back then, it was only men). The top vote-getter became president and the second-place winner became vice president.
There was one caveat. Electoral College voters, called electors, could not cast both of their votes for two people from their home state. In plainspeak, an Electoral College member from Maryland couldnt cast his two votes for candidates from Maryland. Electors from any other state could still vote for two Maryland representatives, just not the electors from Maryland.
MADem
(135,425 posts)It was coming out of the Boston media market and no doubt aimed at southern NH voters.
It was a hot mess of an ad--mushy, flag waving, lots of buzzwords, fuzzy family-ish pictures, obligato minority children in quick shots, smiling people, lots of blah blah....still have no idea what his point was.
He's trying to "make an impression" ahead of the primaries. The impression I got was VAGUE and UNFOCUSED!!!
Bagsgroove
(231 posts)Funniest thing I ever saw at a White House Press dinner -- the very last line..."decisions that would keep me up at night"
annabanana
(52,791 posts)They whole thing was delicious.
Quixote1818
(29,004 posts)ejbr
(5,857 posts)Jindal before Pataki?!
Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)like. Didn't Obama's trend line grow up, big picture. the more people saw, the more liked him. These people have reached their peak of likability before the whole thing has even started
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)I guess 0% doesn't register on charts
Left coast liberal
(1,138 posts)BlueEye
(449 posts)Herman4747
(1,825 posts)Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)retrowire
(10,345 posts)but when the majority of them tend to back the worst offender of the group, they really shouldn't get confused when people consider the GOP the party of racists and morons.
BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)I think anyone who supports the republicans is bad because in doing so they are backing a lot of evil actions. Many do so for the tax cuts, their own personal gain, at the expense of brutalizing the poor and bankrupting the nation. To me that is very bad indeed.
John Poet
(2,510 posts)do so because they WANT to brutalize the poor, and bankrupt the nation !
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)At this point we could nominate a cup of Cynthia McKinney's spit and still win the white house again.
lark
(23,182 posts)Can't imagine Faux keeping this to 10 candidate limit- when Christie, friend of big business, is #11. Just glad Perry and Trump make the list as they are such loons, they will be entertaining to watch, for the short time until they implode again.
AverageGuy
(80 posts)He has studied and prepared this time. Besides he has his professorial glasses.
lark
(23,182 posts)It would be difficult to be less prepared than he was last time, lol. He thought he could just waltz into the presidency because he was from TX and had good hair. He can't run on TX record and he's still a lightweight intellectually and Walker's already got the stupid spot filled.
matt819
(10,749 posts)Maybe call in the firm that did the London metro map. I think they might also have done the NYC subway map.
The only problem is that all those lines lead, as is the case with all Republicans, nowhere. Just ending up at a dead end.
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)non-racist candidate, at the same time pulling all the looney-bigot-fringe into the gop fold.
B Calm
(28,762 posts)Donald Trump's ego. I hope the GOP party leaders piss him off enough to run on a 3rd party ticket and split the republican vote.
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)brooklynite
(94,852 posts)If it were, Bush would know to attack Trump's comments immediately; not wait two weeks.
This is Trump running to promote himself, and finding he can appeal to the real Republican voters. Nothing more.
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)and behave, con artist are always conspiring and scheming. So that's just normal for them. It's just going to take the rest of us, who do not think that way to not play into their Congame, cause they always have at least 1 Congame going. A Congame is a conspiracy.
JCMach1
(27,582 posts)He is the repug's worst nightmare... themselves in a mirror!
Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)Cha
(297,890 posts)Douglas Carpenter
(20,226 posts)BobTheSubgenius
(11,572 posts)The Donald has ZERO chance of being elected, should he somehow bluster his way to the nomination. But that won't happen, either.
IHateTheGOP
(1,059 posts)mountain grammy
(26,663 posts)nearly 16% of likely Republican voters are really really stupid and really really racist, which is the same thing, really!