The Dismissal of Maj. Gen. Edwin A. Walker - A special report by Cong. Morris K. Udall

[Octafish]

Something super-patriotic to consider about Team Blue* when wondering why White Domestic Terrorism NEVER gets mentioned by Corporate McPravda and seldom read by those who still read...

[font size="4"]THE DISMISSAL OF MAJ. GEN. EDWIN A. WALKER[/font size]

A Special Report by

Congressman Morris K. Udall

(says "c. 1961" on original, but likely is 1962 based on "last January" in text below)

So many of you have written me regarding the dismissal of Maj. Gen. Edwin A. Walker that I have decided to write this report as a partial answer to your questions.

As you know, Gen. Walker was commander of the 24th Infantry Division in West Germany last April, when charges were made that his troop education and indoctrination program was following the pattern of the right-wing John Birch Society. He subsequently was relieved of his command following an Army investigation. Since then charges have been made that Gen. Walker was disciplined because he was a zealous anti-Communist.

Considerable light now has been shed on this case. During the week of September 3-9 Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara appeared before the Senate Armed Services Committee and answered the questions of Senator Strom Thurmond and other critics of the Army action. From his testimony and the subsequent release of the 973-page transcript of the Army's hearings on the case it now becomes clear that Gen. Walker was dismissed, not because he was a zealous anti-Communist, but because he engaged in political activity.

Two facts stand out: first that Gen. Walker advised his troops and their families to consult the so-called "A.C.A. Index" before voting in congressional elections last fall, and second, that Gen. Walker pleaded the military equivalent of the Fifth Amendment (Article 31 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice) when questioned about this. This article, like the Fifth Amendment, may be invoked when one believes his own testimony might "tend to incriminate" him.

For your information, the "A.C.A. Index" is a voting guide published by one particular faction on the American political scene. It can lay no more claim to infallibility or correctness than the "A.D.A. Index", published by the opposite extreme of the political spectrum. For Gen. Walker to urge his troops and their families to consult this guide before voting was to engage in overt political activity in clear violation of the spirit of the Hatch Act, which prohibits government personnel from participating in politics other than voting.

There were other points brought out, as well. For example, the testimony revealed that Gen. Walker is a member of the John Birch Society, an organization whose leader says former President Eisenhower, John Foster Dulles, Allen Dulles and other high officials of our government have been Communist dupes. Also, it was revealed that Gen. Walker made public statements which were derogatory of other present and former officials of our government. Such statements, of course, are wholly out of keeping for a military officer.

Three days before he left office last January former President Eisenhower said in a nation-wide television address, "In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist." I believe Mr. Eisenhower's warning is pertinent to this situation. In the course of our history we have always maintained civilian control of our government by elected officials responsible to the electorate. I firmly believe that this must continue.

Everyone will agree, I think, on two propositions: 1) that military leaders have a right and duty to indoctrinate their troops in broad, basic principles of American history and government so they will know why they are asked to serve their country and fight for it if necessary, and 2) that military leaders have absolutely no business taking any part in political campaigns or seeking to influence their troops in matters which are partisan or political. One need only look at some of the South American and Asian nations to see that real democracy and liberty are missing when military leaders participate in elections or political decisions.

A non-political military establishment is one of the most vital, indispensable ingredients of the kind of democracy which distinguishes the United States, Britain and other nations of the free world.

This whole thing can be seen in true focus, I believe, if we suppose for a moment that the situation had been reversed. Imagine that Gen. Walker had called his troops together to "indoctrinate" them on Americanism. Suppose he had advised them that our country was in great danger of losing the cold war to the Communists, and that we could strengthen our nation for the future only if we had more federal aid to education, more urban renewal to eliminate crime and poverty in the cities, larger aid for undeveloped countries, etc. These are views which have been expressed by President Kennedy, ex-President Eisenhower and other Americans whose sincerity and patriotism cannot be questioned. Had this been the case, I think you would have joined me in expressing outrage at such military interference in these political questions. Yet, if what Gen. Walker did is right, another commander holding the views I have mentioned could properly "indoctrinate" his troops along those lines. On the basis of the facts presented I think there can be no doubt that the reprimand given Gen. Walker was warrented (sic).

SOURCE: http://www.library.arizona.edu/exhibits/udall/special/walker.html

If the connections from today's racist murderous mindset string gets tugged, it pulls all the way back to Gen. Walker, who stood with opponents of Social-Security,Civil Rights, Integration, Equality, Democracy, Justice for All. He and the right wingers then and today stood afraid of "Liberals" losing America to the commies and the nation to the enemies of the "White Race."

*Team Blue was the U.S. side in war games and planning for the big one with Team Red, the commies -- code names and inside information still go over big with lots of the John Birch Society membership and their supporters.

[Uncle Joe]

1. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, Octafish.

[Octafish]

13. The conservative thread runs through the Joint Chiefs and out CIA's ops bosses...

This excerpt from David Talbot's Brothers explains why Gen. Walker's ties to Gen. Lemnitzer matter. JFK's opposition to their ideas for manufacturing war on Cuba led directly to Richard Helms giving William Harvey the go-ahead to restart the Mafia-Castro assassination program.

https://books.google.com/books?id=wZHBjw2YRrcC&pg=PT76&lpg=PT76&dq=LEMNITZER+%2B+EDWIN+WALKER&source=bl&ots=qiV8w558yQ&sig=0gfBQ-Fb34ArAfjiAr6A0QXmwLk&hl=en&sa=X&ei=20mYVaOPGovr-QHG-IGwBw&ved=0CD0Q6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=LEMNITZER%20%2B%20EDWIN%20WALKER&f=false

Of course, Helms did not tell the President or his boss John McCone about it.

Seeing how few examine this important history is rather surprising, considering how obvious it now appears, wars without end on brown people the world over.

Thank you for reading and caring, Uncle Joe! Great to read You!

[Archae]

2. Walker was almost Lee Harvey Oswald's first victim.

Yeah, Oswald shot at him, but missed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edwin_Walker#Assassination_attempt

[John1956PA]

5. One theory is that Oswald was on his way to shoot Walker when he encountered Officer Tippit.

Of course, not everyone believes Oswald shot JFK, but I do not want to see this thread get hijacked with that debate.

The theory is that Oswald, knowing that it would be a matter of time before he was arrested for the JFK assassination, was on his way to Walker's home where he would shoot Walker as he answered the door.

[starroute]

6. The shot taken at Walker was months earlier, in April 1963

I remember my mother coming into the room giggling about it. She didn't have much use for either Walker or the Birchers.

[John1956PA]

8. I know. The theory is that Oswald intended a second try after he shot JFK.

The "official" version is that Oswald's used his Carcano carbine in his April 10, 1963, attempt on Walker's life.

When Oswald left his Oak Cliff boarding house in the afternoon of November 22, 1963, he had with him his .38 caliber handgun. The theory is that Oswald intended to shoot Walker with the handgun, thereby completing the task he attempted on April 10, 1963.

[starroute]

12. Walker wasn't even in Dallas on November 22, 1963

And there's no solid evidence that it was Oswald who took the shot at him in April -- just some possibly dodgy testimony from Marina Oswald that doesn't quite add up.

Here's what Walker told the Warren Commission:

http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/walker_e.htm

Well, starting back to make the record clear, I had a speaking engagement in Hattiesburg, Miss., either the 18th or 19th of November. I went from there to New Orleans and stayed 2 or 3 days. I was in the airplane between New Orleans and Shreveport about halfway, when the pilot announced that the President had been assassinated. I landed in Shreveport and went to the Captain Shreve Hotel and stayed there two nights and returned to Dallas and was walking into my house, just about the time of the immediate rerun of the shooting of Oswald. I had been out of the city on speaking engagements.

[awoke_in_2003]

11. I believe Oswald shot JFK...

I just don't think he was the only shooter that day.

[Octafish]

14. As Jack Ruby killed Oswald while in police custody, we'll never get the full story.

From what the evidence shows, there's not much of a case linking Oswald to Walker.

The weight of the evidence today is that whoever shot at Walker used a 30.06 cal. rifle rather than the
6.5 mm carbine Oswald allegedly used to shoot JFK; that Oswald never possessed a 30.06 cal.
weapon; that whereas the carbine fired copper-jacketed bullets, the bullet fired at Walker and
retrieved by police was steel-jacketed; that the attempt on Walker was committed not by Oswald
(who could not drive) but by two unknown individuals who sped from the scene in separate
automobiles; and that the evidence the Report relied on to pin the Walker shooting on Oswald was
suspicious and unreliable. -- Donald E. Wilkes, Jr., University of Georgia School of Law

SOURCE PDF: http://digitalcommons.law.uga.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1193&context=fac_pm

There's more, detailed by Harold Weisberg, a former Senate staffer and Office of Strategic Services officer, in "Whitewash" and "Whitewash II."

[MinM]

18. Oswald was never a suspect in the Walker attempt.

As the information at your link correctly points out ..

Before the Kennedy assassination, Dallas Police had no suspects in the Walker shooting...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edwin_Walker#Assassination_attempt

Of course in the aftermath of the assassination of JFK all sorts of things were attributed to Oswald in the mythology that was subsequently created.

[Mc Mike]

39. He couldn't hit a back lit, sitting target at close range,

which doesn't match the 'expert marksman' performance attributed to him at Dealey Plaza months later.

Just another b.s. red herring from the 'dog ate my homework' Warren Commission 'explainers'. Like the alleged 'shoot Nixon' plan.

[John1956PA]

3. Walker partially inspired the character of General Scott in "Seven Days in May."

In the novel Seven Days in May (1962), Air Force General James Mattoon Scott delivered fiery anti-Communist speeches which revved up conservatives who opposed the intention of the progressive president to negotiate a treaty with the USSR.

[RufusTFirefly]

7. Thanks! I was just about to pose that very question! n/t

[malthaussen]

9. Didn't know that

Like both that novel and Night of Camp David. I especially like how, in the latter, the Presidential joke about unlimited, warrantless wiretapping is considered by the protagonist as a sign that he is insane. My, my, how times do change.

If the 1956PA part of your name refers to your date and place of birth, we're contemporaries!
I was born in that great baby-factory, Oakland Hospital in Pittsburgh.

-- Mal

[Octafish]

16. Gen. Walker also was mentioned by name in ''Seven Days in May.''

The Joint Chiefs and JFK (Walker's boss' boss and friend, JCS Chairman Gen. Lyman Lemnitzer, is seated to JFK's right)

JFK, FDR and 'Seven Days in May'

By Lisa Pease
ConsortiumNews, February 24, 2009

EXCERPT...

The film "Seven Days in May" began as a novel by Fletcher Knebel, inspired to a great degree by Knebel's conversations with Gen. Curtis LeMay, President Kennedy's contentious Air Force Chief of Staff who was furious at Kennedy for not sending in full military support during the Bay of Pigs incident.

Additionally, LeMay infamously argued during the Cuban Missile Crisis for a preemptive nuclear first-strike against the Soviet Union, a move Kennedy abhorred.

One of Kennedy's friends, Paul Fay, Jr., wrote in his book The Pleasure of His Company how one summer weekend in 1962, one of Kennedy's friends bought Knebel's book to his attention, and Kennedy read the book that night.

The next day, Kennedy discussed the plot with friends, who wanted to know if Kennedy felt such a scenario was possible. Bear in mind this was after the Bay of Pigs but before the Cuban Missile Crisis.

"It's possible," Kennedy acknowledged. "It could happen in this country, but the conditions would have to be just right. If, for example, the country had a young President, and he had a Bay of Pigs, there would be a certain uneasiness.

“Maybe the military would do a little criticizing behind his back, but this would be written off as the usual military dissatisfaction with civilian control. Then if there were another Bay of Pigs, the reaction of the country would be, 'Is he too young and inexperienced?'

“The military would almost feel that it was their patriotic obligation to stand ready to preserve the integrity of the nation, and only God knows just what segment of democracy they would be defending if they overthrew the elected establishment."

After a moment, Kennedy continued. "Then, if there were a third Bay of Pigs, it could happen."

CONTINUED...

http://www.consortiumnews.com/2009/022409a.html

PS: Lisa Pease is the real deal -- I met her at "Passing the Torch: An International Symposium on the 50th Anniversary of the Assassination of President John F. Kennedy" at Duquesne University in October, 2013. The presenters provided the latest. Some of the information, such as Dan Hardway's presentation on the CIA obstruction of justice would have been front-page news, if the media and academia did their jobs. But, no. Instead it's what George Orwell wrote:

“The most effective way to destroy people is to deny and obliterate their own understanding of their history.”

For those interested in learning the latest, with links to details from the "Passing the Torch: An International Symposium on the 50th Anniversary of the Assassination of President John F. Kennedy" at Duquesne University:

Octafish to attend JFK assassination conference. Do you think JFK still matters?

JFK Conference: Amazing Day of Information and Connecting with Good People

After JFK Conference, when I got home, I felt like RFK.

JFK Conference: Bill Kelly introduced new evidence - adding Air Force One tape recordings

JFK Conference: Rex Bradford detailed the historic importance of the Church Committee

JFK Conference: Lisa Pease Discussed the Real Harm of Corrupt Soft Power

JFK Conference: James DiEugenio made clear how Foreign Policy changed after November 22, 1963

JFK Conference: Mark Lane Addressed the Secret Government’s Role in the Assassination

JFK Conference: David Talbot named Allen Dulles as 'the Chairman of the Board of the Assassination'

JFK Conference: Dan Hardway Detailed how CIA Obstructed HSCA Investigation

Noah's Ark - Nov. 22, 1963

JFK Remembered: Dan Rather and James Swanson talk at The Henry Ford

Seven Days in May -- tonight on TCM

Machine Gun Mouth

Thank you for supporting Unions and remembering some very important parts of US history, John1956PA!

[leveymg]

26. Chair of the Joint Chiefs, Gen. Lemnitzer signed the Operation Northwoods Directive

Wiki: Operation Northwoods

Operation Northwoods was a proposed operation against the Cuban government, that originated within the Department of Defense (DoD) and the Joint Chiefs of Staff (JCS) of the United States government in 1962. The proposals called for the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) or other US government operatives to commit acts of terrorism against American civilians and military targets, blaming it on the Cuban government, and using it to justify a war against Cuba. The proposals were rejected by the Kennedy administration.[2]

At the time of the proposal, communists led by Fidel Castro had recently taken power in Cuba. The operation proposed creating public support for a war against Cuba by blaming it for terrorist acts that would actually be perpetrated by the US Government (false flag operations).[3] To this end, Operation Northwoods proposals recommended hijackings and bombings followed by the introduction of phony evidence that would implicate the Cuban government. It stated:

The desired resultant from the execution of this plan would be to place the United States in the apparent position of suffering defensible grievances from a rash and irresponsible government of Cuba and to develop an international image of a Cuban threat to peace in the Western Hemisphere.

Several other proposals were included within Operation Northwoods, including real or simulated actions against various US military and civilian targets. The operation recommended developing a "Communist Cuban terror campaign in the Miami area, in other Florida cities and even in Washington".

The plan was drafted by the Joint Chiefs of Staff, signed by Chairman Lyman Lemnitzer and sent to the Secretary of Defense. Although part of the US government's anti-communist Cuban Project, Operation Northwoods was never officially accepted; it was authorized by the Joint Chiefs of Staff, but then rejected by President John F. Kennedy. According to currently released documentation, none of the operations became active under the auspices of the Operation Northwoods proposals.

[Octafish]

30. Gen. Lyman Lemnitzer and CIA chief Allen Dulles counseled the USA launch all-out nuclear war on USSR

The best time for attack was "sometime in the fall of 1963," ensuring the nation's maximum nuclear superiority over the Soviet Union. That way there wouldn't be any question as to the end of communism.

Did the U.S. Military Plan a Nuclear First Strike for 1963?

Recently declassified information shows that the military presented President Kennedy with a plan for a surprise nuclear attack on the Soviet Union in the early 1960s.

James K. Galbraith and Heather A. Purcell
The American Prospect | September 21, 1994

During the early 1960s the intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) introduced the world to the possibility of instant total war. Thirty years later, no nation has yet fired any nuclear missile at a real target. Orthodox history holds that a succession of defensive nuclear doctrines and strategies -- from "massive retaliation" to "mutual assured destruction" -- worked, almost seamlessly, to deter Soviet aggression against the United States and to prevent the use of nuclear weapons.

The possibility of U.S. aggression in nuclear conflict is seldom considered. And why should it be? Virtually nothing in the public record suggests that high U.S. authorities ever contemplated a first strike against the Soviet Union, except in response to a Soviet invasion of Western Europe, or that they doubted the deterrent power of Soviet nuclear forces. The main documented exception was the Air Force Chief of Staff in the early 1960s, Curtis LeMay, a seemingly idiosyncratic case.

But beginning in 1957 the U.S. military did prepare plans for a preemptive nuclear strike against the U.S.S.R., based on our growing lead in land-based missiles. And top military and intelligence leaders presented an assessment of those plans to President John F. Kennedy in July of 1961. At that time, some high Air Force and CIA leaders apparently believed that a window of outright ballistic missile superiority, perhaps sufficient for a successful first strike, would be open in late 1963.

The document reproduced opposite is published here for the first time. It describes a meeting of the National Security Council on July 20, 1961. At that meeting, the document shows, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the director of the CIA, and others presented plans for a surprise attack. They answered some questions from Kennedy about timing and effects, and promised further information. The meeting recessed under a presidential injunction of secrecy that has not been broken until now.

CONTINUED...

http://prospect.org/article/did-us-military-plan-nuclear-first-strike-1963

Makes one see where they got the idea for "Better Dead than Red."

The Real Eisenhower: Planning to Win Nuclear War

by Ira Chernus
Common Dreams
March 18, 2008

Peace activists love to quote Dwight Eisenhower. The iconic Republican war hero spoke so eloquently about the dangers of war and the need for disarmament. He makes a terrific poster-boy for peace. But after years of research and writing three books on Ike, I think it's time to see the real Eisenhower stand up. The president who planned to fight and win a nuclear war, saying "he would rather be atomized than communized," reminds us how dangerous the cold war era really was, how much our leaders will put us all at risk in the name of "national security," and how easily they can mask their intentions behind benign images.

From first to last, Eisenhower was a confirmed cold warrior. Years before he became president, while he was publicly promoting cooperation with the Soviet Union, he wrote in his diary: "Russia is definitely out to communize the world....Now we face a battle to extinction." On the home front, he warned that liberal Democrats were leading the U.S. "toward total socialism."

SNIP…

For Eisenhower, the point of amassing a huge nuclear arsenal was not to deter war but to win it. This was enshrined as official policy in NSC 5810/1: "The United States must make clear its determination to prevail if general war occurs." The only meaningful war aim, he told the NSC, was "to achieve a victory." He described his war plan as "Hit the guy fast with all you've got if he jumps on you"; "hit 'em ... with everything in the bucket."

SNIP…

Eisenhower assumed that a post-holocaust America would be a totalitarian state, ruled by martial law. But he worried about (among other things) what would happen to the credit structure of the country and how to print and sell war bonds to finance the next war if Washington were destroyed. At one NSC meeting he complained that if the President and the Vice President were "knocked off," the "damnable" law of succession would result in the Democrats (he called them "the other team&quot taking the White House. "To assure against that happening, the President thought the Vice President should be put in cotton batting."

SNIP…

And we ignore it at our peril, because it was a policy that put anticommunist ideology above human life, made by a man who would "push whole stack of chips into the pot" and "hit 'em ... with everything in the bucket"; who would "shoot your enemy before he shoots you"; who believed that the U.S. could "pick itself up from the floor" and win a nuclear war, even though "everybody is going crazy," as long as "only" 25 or 30 American cities got "shellacked" and nobody got too "hysterical."

CONTINUED…

http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/03/18/7742

Too bad there might not be many Americans around after hitting them with "everything in the bucket," but, hey! As Eisenhower and crazy Gen. Powers said, even if only one American survives and no Russians, "We win!"

[leveymg]

31. Most of us would be killed, but thank gawd we preserved our American way of life.

[Octafish]

32. One has to prioritize, including who gets to come in to the bunker, like Republicans...

...and the people who don't, like the entire elected Democratic leadership on 9-11. They were no where to be evacuated to Camp Weather under the mountain hotel. Cheney and the GOP, though, they were safe from just about any outside danger behind the 10-foot thick blastproof doors like a Freshman with daddy's gold card. Get real, America: Someone has to "guarantee" Continuity Of Government.

'Shadow Government' News To Congress

Dem Leaders Say They Weren’t Told; GOP Staffers Not Sure

White House Casts Light On 'Shadow'

WASHINGTON, March 5, 2002 (CBS)

Quote: “This is not the kind of thing you tell 10, 50 or 100 senators. If you do, you might as well tell the world." Senate Minority Leader Trent Lott, R-Miss.

(CBS) After lawmakers complained that they were kept in the dark, White House officials on Tuesday briefed top members of Congress about the "shadow government" that President Bush set up outside Washington as a safeguard against terrorism.

White House spokesman Ari Fleischer said two top Bush aides briefed Sen. Trent Lott, R-Miss., and Sen. Tom Daschle, D-S.D. on Tuesday, and House Speaker Dennis Hastert, R-Ill., "had been previously informed."

But House Minority Leader Dick Gephardt, D-Mo., was not part of Tuesday's session. His spokesman Erik Smith said Gephardt did not know about the meeting until it ended. He said he did not know why Gephardt was not invited.

"We're disappointed, we don't understand why they would choose not to invite Mr. Gephardt," Smith said.

Fleischer told reporters that Gephardt's absence was "a scheduling matter," but when pressed on whether Gephardt was invited, Fleischer replied, "I don't make all the invitations here at the White House.”

SNIP...

"There is no shadow government," (Trent Lott) said. "I don't know where that term came from. There has been for many years a plan for continuity in government and it goes into place automatically when you have an event like we had."

CONTINUED…

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/white-house-casts-light-on-shadow/

They even evacuated that sonofabitch, the guy in that thing.



Beep. Beep. Beep. Beep. Beep. Beep. Beep. Beep. Beep. Beep.

[paleotn]

4. Sounds like Gen. Ripper

https://m.

[Octafish]

17. Sounds just like Gen. Ripper...Trying to force Armageddon's hand to ''Win''

"But the movie also traded on several of the period’s familiar images, ideas and figures. The deranged Ripper, who launches the nuclear war because he’s worried that fluoridated water is a Communist con-spiracy to pollute our precious bodily fluids, bears resemblance to General Edwin Walker who recently had been forced to resign from the military for spouting similarly paranoid craziness." -- David Cochran
SOURCE: http://thesouthern.com/news/opinion/cochran-serious-message-with-comic-twist/article_280c1b80-8d5e-11e3-84c3-0019bb2963f4.html

Thing is, the fictional General Ripper was nothing compared to what some real-life flag officers were thinking:

From The Cult of the Presidency by Gene Healy, Cato Institute (of all places):

If there's anything to praise about JFK's leadership during the crisis, it's that he resisted efforts to get him to escalate the conflict still further. Thomas Power, head of the Strategic Air Command, and Curtis Lemay (sic), the Air Force chief of staff, both tried to push the Cuban Missile Crisis into a full-scale war with the Soviets. Both men, like much of the military establishment at the time, were enamored with the concept of preventive war, in which the United States would kill off its superpower rivals before they grew too strong. When Lemay had served as head of SAC from 1948 to 1957, he hoped to provoke an incident that would allow him to deliver his "Sunday Punch," 750 nuclear bombs in a few hours, leading to an estimated 60 million Russian dead. Without authorization, in 1954 Lemay ordered B-45 overflights of the Soviet Union, commenting to his aides, "Well, maybe if we do this overflight right, we can get World War III started." General Power, Lemay's successor at SAC, and a man that even Lemay considered "a sadist,” chastised a colleague at a 1960 briefing on nuclear strategy, yelling, "Restraint! Why are you so concerned with saving their lives? The whole idea is to kill the bastards....Look: at the end of the war, if there are two Americans and one Russian, we win!" The colleague replied, "Well, you'd better make sure that they're a man and a woman."

At the height of the Missile Crisis, Power allowed the prescheduled test launch of an Atlas ICBM, in an apparent attempt to spook the Soviets into action. Lemay in turn repeatedly challenged Kennedy's courage, urging the president to approve air strikes on the missile installations. That action would likely have led to the nuclear exchange Lemay had long lusted after. As we later learned, during the crisis, the Soviets had 20 operational, nuclear-armed medium-range ballistic missiles in Cuba, as well as nine tactical nuclear weapons that Russian field commanders had been authorized t use in the event of an attack. In his book Dark Sun: The Making of the Hydrogen Bomb, historian Richard Rhodes writes, "If John Kennedy had followed Lemay's advice, history would have forgotten the Nazis and their terrible Holocaust. Ours would have been the historic omnicide."

That presidents advised by such men had in their hands the means to kill millions should be unsettling to people of normal human sensibilities. That presidents showed restraint while in possession of such power gives us cause for thanks, but it is, at best, an uneasy source of comfort.

SOURCE: https://books.google.com/books?id=PFHD_fp-S80C&pg=PA96&lpg=PA96&dq=%E2%80%9CAt+the+end+of+the+war,+if+there+are+two+Americans+and+one+Russian,+we+win!%E2%80%9D&source=bl&ots=GYfL8oQ8I7&sig=_elPVv37oBT0MC5iqYvXyT73WWY&hl=en&ei=ggV_SvDMHIe4NuGo-PYC&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3#v=onepage&q=%E2%80%9CAt%20the%20end%20of%20the%20war%2C%20if%20there%20are%20two%20Americans%20and%20one%20Russian%2C%20we%20win!%E2%80%9D&f=false

Thanks for remembering what's at stake, paleotn. Some people still think we can kill our way to peace.

[starroute]

10. A few more tidbits about Walker

Walker was a close friend of Billy James Hargis, who founded the Christian Crusade in 1947 -- a virulently anti-communist group that was one of the first steps towards the politicization of religion in this country.

General Lyman Lemnitzer (of Operations Northwoods fame, among other things) may have been involved with Walker's operations in 1961 when he was chairman of the joint chief of staff. However, Senator Al Gore Sr., who investigated Walker, was never able to prove anything.

Walker was arrested for helping to incite a racial insurrection in Mississippi in October 1962.

http://partners.nytimes.com/library/national/race/100262race-ra.html

3,000 Troops Put Down Mississippi Rioting And Seize 200 as Negro Attends Classes; Ex-Gen. Walker is Held for Insurrection

OXFORD, Miss., Oct. 1 -- James H. Meredith, a Negro, enrolled in the University of Mississippi today and began classes as Federal troops and federalized units of the Mississippi National Guard quelled a 15-hour riot. . . .

Two men were killed in the rioting, which broke out about 8 o'clock last night after Mr. Meredith had been escorted onto the campus by the marshals.


http://www.textfiles.com/conspiracy/walker.txt

His public statement at Oxford was as follows:

This is Edwin A. Walker. I am in Mississippi beside Gov. Ross Barnett. I call for a national protest against the conspiracy from within.

Rally to the cause of freedom in righteous indignation, violent vocal protest and bitter silence under the flag of Mississippi at the use of Federal troops.

This today is a disgrace to the nation in 'dire peril,' a disgrace beyond the capacity of anyone except its enemies. This is the conspiracy of the crucifixion by anti-Christ conspirators of the Supreme Court in their denial of prayer and their betrayal of a nation.

<source NYT, 9/30/62>

[Octafish]

19. Gen. Lemnitzer's support for upside down flag-flying Gen. Walker is shocking.

Lemnitzer was Chairman of the Joint Chiefs who suggested to his civilian bosses, JFK and Sec Def Robert S. McNamara, that the Pentagon create pretexts for war by attacking the civilians in the USA and the USN base at Guantanamo and blaming Castro and the Commies. That sounds a heck of a lot like what Gen. Walker and his miraculous escape from an assassin's bullet, one that would later be blamed on Oswald, the pro-Castro, pro-Soviet "little Communist."

U.S. Military Wanted to Provoke War With Cuba

By David Ruppe
ABC News, N E W Y O R K, May 1, 2001

In the early 1960s, America's top military leaders reportedly drafted plans to kill innocent people and commit acts of terrorism in U.S. cities to create public support for a war against Cuba.

Code named Operation Northwoods, the plans reportedly included the possible assassination of Cuban émigrés, sinking boats of Cuban refugees on the high seas, hijacking planes, blowing up a U.S. ship, and even orchestrating violent terrorism in U.S. cities.

The plans were developed as ways to trick the American public and the international community into supporting a war to oust Cuba's then new leader, communist Fidel Castro.

America's top military brass even contemplated causing U.S. military casualties, writing: "We could blow up a U.S. ship in Guantanamo Bay and blame Cuba," and, "casualty lists in U.S. newspapers would cause a helpful wave of national indignation."

Details of the plans are described in Body of Secrets (Doubleday), a new book by investigative reporter James Bamford about the history of America's largest spy agency, the National Security Agency. However, the plans were not connected to the agency, he notes.

SNIP...

One idea was to create a war between Cuba and another Latin American country so that the United States could intervene. Another was to pay someone in the Castro government to attack U.S. forces at the Guantanamo naval base — an act, which Bamford notes, would have amounted to treason. And another was to fly low level U-2 flights over Cuba, with the intention of having one shot down as a pretext for a war.

"There really was a worry at the time about the military going off crazy and they did, but they never succeeded, but it wasn't for lack of trying," he says.

After 40 Years

SNIP...

Afraid of a congressional investigation, Lemnitzer had ordered all Joint Chiefs documents related to the Bay of Pigs destroyed, says Bamford. But somehow, these remained.

"The scary thing is none of this stuff comes out until 40 years after," says Bamford.

CONTINUED...

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92662

Gen. Walker's connnections to Billy James Hargis is eye-opening, as well. Incredible roots from Hargis to The Family -- Just The Messenger provides an excellent overview and bibliography.

Thank you very much for the heads-up, starroute! Even thought they've taken a lot of hits from some surprising quarters

, the truth and Democracy are about all that stands in the way of the warmongering bastards.

[MinM]

21. ...it is as yet not generally well accepted how alone Kennedy was.

I keep coming back to this line from Fred Kaplan on a segment from NPR's on the media:

FRED KAPLAN: I have to say, both among journalists and historians, this chapter of the Cuban missile crisis has not yet been fully incorporated into the dominant narrative, as academics might call it today, and to the degree that people do know there was a trade, it is as yet not generally well accepted how alone Kennedy was.

BOB GARFIELD: I'm curious about how much the truth of the Cuban missile crisis has found its way into the public consciousness. If it has, I suppose you can credit the film 13 Days from two years ago. Hollywood took another look at the history books and did substantially incorporate our current understanding in that film. Let's hear a little bit of that:

MAN: We've got time for one more round of diplomacy, and that's it. The first air strikes start in 28 hours. MAN: But we have to make them agree to it!

MAN: Right.

MAN: So how do we do that?

BRUCE GREENWOOD AS JOHN F. KENNEDY: Well we give them something. We tell them we're going to remove the missiles from Turkey — Hang on! But we do that six months from now, so it appears there's no linkage.

KEVIN COSTNER AS KENNY O'DONNELL: We also tell them if they go public about it, we'll deny it.

BRUCE GREENWOOD/JOHN F. KENNEDY: Right we deny, the deal's off.

KEVIN COSTNER/KENNY O'DONNELL: And we do it under the table so we can disavow any knowledge of it.

MAN: It's transparent, Kenny. The press'll be all over it.

KEVIN COSTNER/KENNY O'DONNELL: Six months from now we're not going to care, are we?



BOB GARFIELD: In your review of that film, 13 Days, you made another point about learning from history. It was about the supposition that a president, surrounded by a circle of trusted advisors, can be depended on to make the right decision. And you made a, a connection to the George W. Bush White House. Make it again.

FRED KAPLAN: The point was - I think [font color=darkred]George W. Bush had just been elected president, and a lot of people were wondering if he would be smart enough to deal with crises. And the common explanation at the time was well, don't worry, he has a lot of really smart people around him. And the point that you can take from the fourth draft of the history of the Cuban missile crisis is that the people around John Kennedy were really smart - I mean these were the people that David Halberstam later called, in a note of irony, "the best and the brightest," and yet John Kennedy realized that they really weren't very smart, after all. And the lesson of that is that you can have good advisors but the crucial thing is that you need a president. It's the president who makes the decisions[/font]...

http://www.onthemedia.org/2010/aug/27/missile-crisis-memories/

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021414805#post12

[Octafish]

34. Walker friend @ FBI DESTROYED EVIDENCE given to them by Lee Harvey Oswald BEFORE JFK assassination.

This DEMONSTRATES the leadership of the federal government's police agencies obstructed justice in the investigation of the assassination of President Kennedy.

Jim Hosty played bridge regularly with Robert Surrey, a close aide to General Edwin Walker, a leader of the radical Right Wing Minutemen in the area, whom John Kennedy had fired. Surrey had published the extremist handbill distributed on the street the day JFK died, attacking him. Hosty's job was surveilling radicals, the KKK, the Minutemen, Communists and so on. Maybe playing cards and extending friendship to Surrey was in the line of duty, like Oswald's gonorrhea contracted in Japan noted in his record as "in the line of duty."

SOURCE: Harrison E. Livingston, The Radical Right and the Murder of John F. Kennedy, p. 416

https://books.google.com/books?id=LD8TUAGSuMoC&pg=PA416&lpg=PA416&dq=robert-surrey+%2B+james+hosty&source=bl&ots=341jyD6sOk&sig=Tn6xm2OtjLWgU5aPdEUttczFlEM&hl=en&sa=X&ei=tuabVaHyFovzoAShqoPYCg&ved=0CC4Q6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=robert-surrey%20%2B%20james%20hosty&f=false

It also connects said officials to individuals themselves directly connected to the liberal, peace-loving, equality for all, Democratic president's murder. While this doesn't prove anything, it does show one way the ultraright-ultrarich have gotten away with murder -- and treason -- ever since, whether making a killing at the Wall Street casino requiring multi-trillion bailouts or killing a million Iraqis for their oil or 20 million Congolese for their gold: It's WHO you know.

[Mc Mike]

40. I was going to bring up this FBI Hosty-Bircher Walker connection, also.

Jim Marrs' book Crossfire (p. 237, paperback) attributes this info as having come originally from Penn Jones. Marrs also says that Surrey was the one who produced the 'Wanted For Treason' flyers that littered the Kennedy motorcade route in Dallas on 11-22.

[starroute]

23. Lemnitzer had earlier been involved with Allen Dulles in Operation Sunrise

Operation Sunrise was an attempt by Allen Dulles in March 1945 to negotiate a separate surrender of German forces in northern Italy with SS General Karl Wolff while excluding both Hitler and the Russians. Wolff, a former banker and PR man who had been Himmler's chief of staff and was then made military governor of northern Italy after Mussolini's government collapsed, held talks first with Dulles and then a few days later with General Leminitzer.

(Russian objections to this apparent end-run around them caused the talks to fail, but the distrust it sowed may have helped lead to the Cold War.)

When the British charged Wolff with war crimes after the war, both Dulles and Lemnitzer intervened on his behalf. Wolff received a light sentence and was released in 1949. However, he was indicted again by the Germans in 1962, shortly after Dulles's resignation as head of the CIA, and was convicted in 1964. At that time, Lemnitzer -- who by then was Supreme Allied Commander of NATO in Europe -- once again appealed for clemency in the case.

There's a lot to chew on in all this -- not only the Dulles-Lemnitzer connection but the question of whether they were still protecting Wolff in that crucial 1962-64 period, and if so why. Was it just old boys' club stuff, or was something more going on?

[Octafish]

35. Walker had many connections on that low level...

General Edwin Walker and the Hitler Nazis

Mae Brussell

The Eagle's Nest, now a mountain restaurant, was given to Adolf Hitler by nazi aide Martin Bormann for the fuhrer's 50th birthday. It is not far from Hitler's former summer home in Berchtesgaden.

Nearby is the Platterhof Hotel, built for guests when they came to pay their respects. The Platterhof has changed its name to the General Walker Hotel.

November 23, 1963, one day after Kennedy's death, Gen. Edwin Walker called Munich, Germany, from Shreveport, La.

Walker's important story, via transatlantic telephone, was to the nazi newspaper Deutsche National Zeitung un Soldaten-Zeitung. Walker couldn't wait to tell them in Munich that Lee Harvey Oswald, the lone suspect in the Dallas murders, was the same person who shot through his window in April, 1963.

There was never one shred of evidence, or a reliable witness, that could make this connection Dallas police and FBI were taken by surprise.

In order to cover this over-exuberance of trying to link a Marxist assassin to this altercation, it became necessary to have Ruth Paine deliver that ridiculous letter to Marina Oswald on December 3, 1964. The delayed letter was to have been written the night Lee was out shooting in Walker's home.

The only piece of bullet that remained in custody was never positively identified as coming from the 6.5 Mannlicher Carcano, and there is no proof Oswald even handled this rifle.

Why was General Walker in such a hurry to get his information printed in Germany before anybody in Dallas ever heard about it?

Kurt-George Kiesinger had just been installed as Chancellor of West Germany and Franz-Josef Straus as finance minister.

Kissinger entered the radio propaganda division of nazi Foreign Minister von Ribbentrop at age 36. He was then directing a world-wide radio propaganda apparatus with 195 specialists under his supervision during the war. He was the liaison officer, coordinating his department's work with that of Propaganda Minister Joseph Goebbels.

Richard Nixon and Kurt-George Kiesinger were soon, or maybe before, to become pals. Nixon tried to hide his nazi past.

But General Walker, now home from military service in Munich, knew the importance of such propaganda. He was calling the same people who, under Hitler, published and controlled the newspapers.

There were two motives for this call.

First, it gave international attention to the fact that Oswald, the Marxist gunman, was shooting at Walker as well as the President.

General Walker knew too many people in the Defense Department and in the Dallas-Fort Worth area that could be part of this assassination. He made himself appear as a victim instead of a suspect.

The other reason, along with the expertise of Robert Morris's counter-intelligence and psychological warfare training, was to create a profile for Lee Harvey Oswald.

No possible motive could explain why Oswald would really want to kill President Kennedy. By having Oswald appear to shoot the right-wing General Walker with his John Birch connections, his militant anti-communist stance, then shoot John Kennedy, the same Commie-symp Walker was accusing of treason, it would appear that Oswald was just nuts. He didn't know right from left.

The Munich newspaper Walker called was linked to the World Movement for a Second Anti-Komintern, part of the Gehlen and U.S. right.

Some of Hitler's ex-nazis and SS-men were on the Staff.

The editor, Gerhard Frey, was a close friend with various nazi members of the Witiko League. The Witiko League and the Sudetendeutch Landsmannscraft were organizations for displaced refugees. By the summer of 1948 they formed large organizations and by 1955 Dr. Walter Becher was elected to the executive board of the Witiko League. Becher was one of the kingpins of nazi front organizations.

Sen. Joe McCarthy, Charles Willoughby, Gen. Edwin Walker, and Robert Morris' links to the German nazis converged when Dr. Walter Becher set up offices in Washington, D.C. in 1950.

By July 16, 1957, Becher, praised by American Opinion and other extreme right publications, started his policy of liberation. General Douglas MacArthur, Senator Joe McCarthy, General Willoughby, members of the U.S. Congress or public officials then started openly to meet with and cooperate with the nazi resurgence.

Dan Smooth, former Dallas FBI agent is the type of person who kept strong nazi ties with Dr. Becher in Munich, to Western Goals today. His printed sheets were identical to the Goebbels propaganda years ago, or to Walker's disinformation one day after Kennedy was killed.

Volkmar Schmidt came from Munich, Germany, to work full time for General Walker. How long did he work, and where was he on November 23, 1963, when Walker made the call to the same city the CUSA imports came from?

The YAF crowd in Dallas was an interesting gang: Col. Charles Willoughby, intelligence Chief for S. Pacific, Robert Morris, U.S. counter-intelligence and psychological warfare, Gen Edwin Walker, brought home from Munich by JFK, William Buckley, CIA in Japan, Mexico, and elsewhere, Sen. John Tower, who gave the okay for Marina Oswald.
CONTINUED...

http://www.whale.to/b/brussell_nazi.html#General_Edwin_Walker_and_the_Hitler_Nazis_

I read the Hotel Gen. Walker was razed in 2000.

More connections between the NAZIs and Dallas: http://www.whale.to/b/brussell_nazi.html

Thank you for the heads up on Lemnitzer and Dulles with SS general Wolff, Starroute! This story is missing from the history books for some strange reason.

[starroute]

37. I've been curious for years about why Dulles was never in trouble for his 1930s stuff

It was trying to find out what Dulles was doing at the end of the war that led me to Operation Sunrise.

Meanwhile, I've come up with a few tentative answers as to why nobody ever held the prewar stuff against him.:

- That in the highest levels of the establishment, none of their own is ever held responsible for anything.

- That in the 1940s, very few Americans had European connections or knowledge of foreign diplomacy, so the war forced a dependence on people like Dulles.

- That they were all blackmailing each other and covering each other's asses.

But I'm no longer sure those answers are the whole story. That film of the future Edward VIII teaching the Princesses Elizabeth and Margaret in 1933 how to do Nazi salutes has really gotten me wondering how far the rot extended.

And there are other connections, especially in the history of libertarianism, that trace directly back to pro-Nazi organizations in the 1930s. There's an entire Birch Society-Koch family-libertarian nexus that's never been fully explored but that is extremely relevant to what are now mainstream Republican policies.

I think the extent of pro-Nazi sympathies among the ruling class in this country in the 1930s has been systematically underestimated, as has the extent to which the same people underwent some minor cosmetic makeovers and resurfaced in the 1950s.

That is a story that really needs to be told.

[Octafish]

38. ''The Brothers'' by Steven Kinzer

FDR was dead and any desire for continued justice in the ranks of "organized money" that hated him was not at the front of mind for Harry S. John Foster did approach Truman, but was rebuffed because Truman didn't like the rich guy. While it looked like the Democrats would continue the peace and prosperity, along came Korea and it was lights out for the longterm lock on government. And thus came Eisenhower and, with a special assist from Checkers and Howard Hughes, Nixon.

As you know more about this stuff off the top of your head than anybody you've probably already read it, a great book that details just what the Dulles Brothers did for themselves and for their wealthy cronies -- and to the country and to the planet -- you might enjoy:

The Brothers: John Foster Dulles, Allen Dulles, and Their Secret World War

by Stephen Kinzer

A joint biography of John Foster Dulles and Allen Dulles, who led the United States into an unseen war that decisively shaped today’s world

During the 1950s, when the Cold War was at its peak, two immensely powerful brothers led the United States into a series of foreign adventures whose effects are still shaking the world.

John Foster Dulles was secretary of state while his brother, Allen Dulles, was director of the Central Intelligence Agency. In this book, Stephen Kinzer places their extraordinary lives against the background of American culture and history. He uses the framework of biography to ask: Why does the United States behave as it does in the world?

The Brothers explores hidden forces that shape the national psyche, from religious piety to Western movies—many of which are about a noble gunman who cleans up a lawless town by killing bad guys. This is how the Dulles brothers saw themselves, and how many Americans still see their country’s role in the world.

Propelled by a quintessentially American set of fears and delusions, the Dulles brothers launched violent campaigns against foreign leaders they saw as threats to the United States. These campaigns helped push countries from Guatemala to the Congo into long spirals of violence, led the United States into the Vietnam War, and laid the foundation for decades of hostility between the United States and countries from Cuba to Iran.

The story of the Dulles brothers is the story of America. It illuminates and helps explain the modern history of the United States and the world.

A Kirkus Reviews Best Nonfiction Book of 2013

http://www.amazon.com/The-Brothers-Foster-Dulles-Secret/dp/0805094970

As to how Dulles escaped justice...

Former longtime CIA director of counterintelligence James Jesus Angleton told author Joseph Trento his greatest regret in his job was not giving lie-detector tests to "Allen Dulles and 60 of his closest friends." He said he thought more than a few were traitors and expected to see them all in hell one day.

In 1985 Joseph Trento interviewed James Angleton for his book, Secret History of the CIA (2001)

Within the confines of (Angleton’s) remarkable life were most of America’s secrets. “You know how I got to be in charge of counterintelligence? I agreed not to polygraph or require detailed background checks on Allen Dulles and 60 of his closest friends... They were afraid that their own business dealings with Hitler’s pals would come out. They were too arrogant to believe that the Russians would discover it all. . . . You know, the CIA got tens of thousands of brave people killed. . . We played with lives as if we owned them. We gave false hope. We - I - so misjudged what happened."

I asked the dying man how it all went so wrong.

With no emotion in his voice, but with his hand trembling, Angleton replied: “Fundamentally, the founding fathers of U.S. intelligence were liars. The better you lied and the more you betrayed, the more likely you would be promoted. These people attracted and promoted each other. Outside of their duplicity, the only thing they had in common was a desire for absolute power. I did things that, in looking back on my life, I regret. But I was part of it and I loved being in it... Allen Dulles, Richard Helms, Carmel Offie, and Frank Wisner were the grand masters. If you were in a room with them you were in a room full of people that you had to believe would deservedly end up in hell.” Angleton slowly sipped his tea and then said, “I guess I will see them there soon.”

CONTINUED...

http://spartacus-educational.com/JFKtrento.htm

Allen Dulles, the NAZIs, and the CIA

Supreme Court Justice Arthur Goldberg once stated that "The Dulles brothers were traitors." Some historians believe that Allen Dulles became head of the newly formed CIA in large part to cover up his treasonous behavior and that of his clients.
-- Christian Dewar, Making a Killing

Just before his death, James Jesus Angleton, the legendary chief of counterintelligence at the Central Intelligence Agency, was a bitter man. He felt betrayed by the people he had worked for all his life. In the end, he had come to realize that they were never really interested in American ideals of "freedom" and "democracy." They really only wanted "absolute power."

Angleton told author Joseph Trento that the reason he had gotten the counterintelligence job in the first place was by agreeing not to submit "sixty of Allen Dulles' closest friends" to a polygraph test concerning their business deals with the Nazis. In his end-of-life despair, Angleton assumed that he would see all his old companions again "in hell."
-- Michael Hasty, Paranoid Shift

EXCERPT…

Allen Welsh Dulles was born to privilege and a tradition of public service. He was the grandson of one secretary of state and the nephew of another. But by the time he graduated from Princeton in 1914, the robber baron era of American history was coming to an an end, ushered out by the Sherman Anti-Trust Act -- which had been used in 1911 to break up Standard Oil -- and by the institution of the progressive income tax in 1913. The ruling elite was starting to view government less as their own private preserve and more as an unwanted intrusion on their ability to conduct business as usual. That shift of loyalties in itself may account for many of the paradoxical aspects of Dulles's career.

Dulles entered the diplomatic service after college and served as a State Department delegate to the Paris Peace Conference of 1919, which brought a formal end to World War I. The Versailles Treaty which came out of this conference included a provision making it illegal to sell arms to Germany. This displeased the powerful DuPont family, and they put pressure on the delegates to allow them to opt out. It was Allen Dulles who finally gave them the assurances they wanted that their transactions with Germany would be "winked at."

Dulles remained a diplomat through the early 1920's, spending part of that time in Berlin. However, he left government service in 1926 for the greener pastures of private business, becoming a Wall Street lawyer with the same firm as his older brother, John Foster Dulles.

By the middle 20's, Germany had started recovering from the effects of the war and its postwar economic collapse, and the great German industrial firms were looking like attractive investment opportunities for wealthy Americans. W.A. Harriman & Co., formed in 1919 by Averell Harriman (son of railroad baron E.H. Hariman) and George Herbert Walker, had led the way in directing American money to German companies and had opened a Berlin branch as early as 1922, when Germany was still in chaos. At that time, Averell Harriman traveled to Europe and made contact with the powerful Thyssen family of steel magnates. It was to be a long-lasting and fateful partnership.

CONTINUED…

http://www.enter.net/~torve/trogholm/secret/rightroots/...

Ties to Dallas, yet Trento, for some reason cough editor, never makes the connection for readers.

The Secret History of the CIA

by Joseph Trento:

EXCERPT…

Who changed the coup into the murder of Diem, Nhu and a Catholic priest accompanying them? To this day, nothing has been found in government archives tying the killings to either John or Robert Kennedy. So how did the tools and talents developed by Bill Harvey for ZR/RIFLE and Operation MONGOOSE get exported to Vietnam? Kennedy immediately ordered (William R.) Corson to find out what had happened and who was responsible. The answer he came up with: “On instructions from Averell Harriman…. The orders that ended in the deaths of Diem and his brother originated with Harriman and were carried out by Henry Cabot Lodge’s own military assistant.”

Having served as ambassador to Moscow and governor of New York, W. Averell Harriman was in the middle of a long public career. In 1960, President-elect Kennedy appointed him ambassador-at-large, to operate “with the full confidence of the president and an intimate knowledge of all aspects of United States policy.” By 1963, according to Corson, Harriman was running “Vietnam without consulting the president or the attorney general.”

The president had begun to suspect that not everyone on his national security team was loyal. As Corson put it, “Kenny O’Donnell (JFK’s appointments secretary) was convinced that McGeorge Bundy, the national security advisor, was taking orders from Ambassador Averell Harriman and not the president. He was especially worried about Michael Forrestal, a young man on the White House staff who handled liaison on Vietnam with Harriman.”

At the heart of the murders was the sudden and strange recall of Saigon Station Chief Jocko Richardson and his replacement by a no-name team barely known to history. The key member was a Special Operations Army officer, John Michael Dunn, who took his orders, not from the normal CIA hierarchy but from Harriman and Forrestal.

According to Corson, “John Michael Dunn was known to be in touch with the coup plotters,” although Dunn’s role has never been made public. Corson believes that Richardson was removed so that Dunn, assigned to Ambassador Lodge for “special operations,” could act without hindrance.

SOURCE:

“The Secret History of the CIA.” Joseph Trento. 2001, Prima Publishing. pp. 334-335.

I remember way back when on DU1, you stood up to be part of the research team that got hijacked by I can't remember the clown. I also volunteered. Nothing much came of things, except I seem to remember they collected our contact info. I do remember you stood up to speak truth to power, starroute. Thank you!

[Mc Mike]

41. I think the birchers are just pro-nazi American repugs who lost their bid to back Hitler,

so they had to re-brand themselves as JBS, in order to keep pushing their pro-nazi ideology.

And the birch resurgence today is visible in the increased radical fascism exhibited by today's repug party.

[Octafish]

36. Gen. Wolff became number 2 in the SS after Heydrich's car was ambushed at a hairpin turn.

Sarajevo, June 28, 1914


Prague, May 29, 1942


Dallas, November 22,1963

Places that changed the course of humanity.

[starroute]

27. More on Walker and Hargis

This is fascinating stuff, and there's too much here for brief excerpts to do it justice. I hadn't known, for example, that Richard Viguerie -- the evil genius of direct mail solicitation who in many ways was the inventor of movement conservatism -- had done his thing for Hargis before he became the first executive director of Young Americans for Freedom. Or that racism wasn't a staple of the religious right until Hargis picked it up through his association with Walker. The roots of much that is worst in our country today can be found right here.


http://thislandpress.com/11/02/2012/the-strange-love-of-dr-billy-james-hargis/?read=complete

Hargis’ crusade found many allies, but it was his collaboration with one man that proved to be a catalyst for the formation of America’s religious right. . . . Before the integration of Little Rock, Walker was a garden-variety anti-communist, but when the incident at Little Rock propelled him into the political spotlight, he became radicalized. . . .

Established as an official U.S. Army project in January of 1961, the Pro Blue Program was the result of Walker’s fear and paranoia about communism; the official plan was turgid with reprogramming techniques. Under the Pro Blue Program, troops of the 24th Division were required to participate in a series of indoctrination methods that included publications from the John Birch Society and supplied by Hargis. . . .

Throughout 1950s and early ‘60s, Hargis’ Christian Crusade built momentum. During that period, Hargis hired a promising young Texan named Richard Viguerie. Armed with a keen understanding of databases, Viguerie devised mass mailings targeting donors who were likely to be fundamentalist separatists—the kind of people who would respond to antics like Hargis’ balloon drops. With Viguerie’s genius, Hargis reached a widening audience, but the Christian Crusade still needed an overall strategy that would propel it toward success. . . .

It wasn’t until Hargis joined forces with former Major General Edwin Walker, however, that racial bigotry became a common characteristic of the religious right. Shortly after his resignation from the military, Edwin Walker began forging a friendship with fellow John Birch Society member Billy James Hargis. They agreed to go on a speaking tour of the U.S. together; Hargis would sermonize on the perils of communism at the national level and Walker would expound on the international threat. Walker parlayed these early lectures into political gain. He soon decided to run for governor of Texas and enjoyed the support of Dallas oilman H.L. Hunt. Walker ran under the Southern Democratic (Dixiecrat) ticket, though, and ended up in last place in the Democratic primary of February 1962.

[PufPuf23]

15. kr Thanks.

[Octafish]

22. ''White Terrorism'' never happens per Corporate McPravda

Seems to bug a lot of White People the wrong way.



Washington Post‘s Philip Bump: “When I see Dylann Roof, I remember being a white male his age”

WaPo: Don't Say 'Terrorist' About 'White People Like Ourselves'

Corporate media are demonstrably reluctant to use the word “terrorist” with regards to Charleston shooting suspect Dylann Roof–even though the massacre would seem to meet the legal definition of terrorism, as violent crimes that “appear to be intended…to intimidate or coerce a civilian population.”

Generally, news outlets don’t explain why they aren’t calling Roof a terrorist suspect; they just rarely use the word. But the Washington Post‘s Philip Bump gave it a shot in a piece headlined “Why We Shouldn’t Call Dylann Roof a Terrorist” (6/19/15), and his rationale is worth taking a look at.

Bump starts out by acknowledging that “a terroristic act, which this was, is treated and identified differently when the actor is a young white man.” He contrasts the treatment of the Charleston massacre with the attack on the Mohammad cartoon contest in Texas:

In each case, someone hoping to prove a political point attacked a gathering because of who was in attendance. In the case where the only deaths were the attackers, we call it terrorism. In the case where the only deaths were the innocent people, we debate it.

“But,” Bump then says, “we shouldn’t call Dylann Roof a terrorist.” His argument for this:

Roof wants to be a terrorist—for us to admit that he terrorized us. He likes the attention, telling the police as he admitted to his acts that he wanted to make sure they were “known.”… What if we just call him a racist, grotesque person. What if we laughed at him instead of telling him he scared us?

This makes as much sense as arguing that you shouldn’t charge someone with kidnapping because the person they abducted wasn’t a kid. “Terrorism” is the name of a crime, and the relevant question isn’t whether we like the etymology of the term, but whether the murders fit the elements of the definition—which has to do with intent to intimidate or coerce, not with whether anyone actually felt “terror.”

On some level, Bump understands that “terrorism” is a legal term with serious legal consequences, and that the fact that it’s unevenly applied based on the race and religion of the perpetrators is a real problem:

When Dzhokhar Tsarnaev was arrested in Boston in 2013, the debate was over how to treat him given that he was a terror suspect—as manifested by Sen. Lindsey Graham—not over whether or not he was a terror suspect. That’s part of why Tsarnaev and the Texas cartoon attackers were so quickly identified as terrorists.

This, Bump notes, “reflects the same racial chasm that Roof wanted to exacerbate.”

He also notes that the word has become politicized by the “War on Terror”—”which is, in essence, a war on certain groups of Middle Easterners and Muslims.” As Bump observes, “Calling more non-American people terrorists also serves to bolster the arguments of those calling for more military intervention.” Which leads him to conclude that “the problem…isn’t that we’re too slow to call Roof a terrorist. It’s that we’re often too quick to call everyone else a terrorist.”

Yet Bump doesn’t seem to have written a column about how “we’re too quick to call everyone else a terrorist”; he didn’t seem to have any problem referring to the Boston Marathon bombing as “terrorism,” for example. (“The key component to any terrorist attack is luck” was the lead sentence for a piece he wrote on the Tsarnaev brothers, for instance—The Wire, 4/22/13.) So why write this piece, urging people to do what most journalists are already doing—avoiding saying “terrorism” in connection to Charleston?

CONTINUED...

http://us10.campaign-archive2.com/?u=8c573daa3ad72f4a095505b58&id=827801c281&e=dc33f1e94a

The thread really goes through property, wealth, war and empire straight back to Lincoln and Booth, unfortunately,

[CanSocDem]

20. Great thread K&R (eom)

[Octafish]

29. J Edgar Hoover thought Civil Rights Movement was big Commie Plot.

The FBI's Vendetta
Against Martin Luther King, Jr.

excerpted from the book

The Lawless State

The crimes of the U.S. Inteligence Agencies

by Morton Halperin, Jerry Berman, Robert Borosage, Christine Marwick
Penguin Books, 1976

p63
For the FBI, an organization seeking to register blacks in the South was clearly suspicious. Until 1962, the bureau would monitor King and SCLC under the "racial matters" category, which required agents to collect "all pertinent information" about the "proposed or actual activities of individuals and organizations in the racial field." According to the Senate Select Committee, the FBI information on King was "extensive."

The unfolding story of the civil rights protest movement and the leadership role of Martin Luther King, Jr., is a most ignoble chapter in the history of FBI spying and manipulation. As the civil rights movement grew and expanded, the FBI pinpointed every group and emergent leader for intensive investigation and most for harassment and disruption, the FBl's domestic version of CIA covert action abroad. The NAACP was the subject of a COMINFIL investigation. The Congress of Racial Equality (CORE) and the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee (SNCC) were listed by the FBI as "Black-Hate" type organizations and selected for covert disruption of their political activities. But the most vicious FBI attack was reserved for King and the Southern Christian Leadership Conference. All of the arbitrary power and lawless tactics that had accumulated in the bureau over the years were marshaled to destroy King's reputation and the movement he led. The FBI relied on its vague authority to investigate "subversives" to spy on King and SCLC; its vague authority to conduct warrantless wiretapping and microphonic surveillance to tap and bug him; its secrecy to conduct covert operations against him. The campaign began with his rise to leadership and grew more vicious as he reached the height of his power; it continued even after his assassination in 1968.

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On August 28, 250,000 persons marched on Washing- 1, ton. The march, sponsored by a cross-section of civil rights, labor, and church organizations, was designed to support the enactment of civil rights legislation. That day,



when Martin Luther King addressed the assemblage, he made his most memorable speech:

I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: ``We hold these truths to be self-evident that all men are created equal."

I have a dream that one day in the red hills of Georgia sons of former slaves and the sons of former slave owners will be able to sit down together at the table of brotherhood.

I have a dream that one day even the state of Mississippi, a state sweltering in the heat of injustice . . freedom and justice.

I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will be judged not by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.

The speech brought the crowd to its feet, applauding, echoing the "Amens" that greet evangelical preaching, and shouting "Freedom Now!" The FBI reacted differently. In memoranda to the director, King's speech was characterized as "demagogic," and the presence of "200" Communists among the 250,000 marchers caused the Intelligence Division to state that it had underestimated Communist efforts and influence on American Negroes and the civil rights movement. King was singled out:

He stands head and shoulders over all other Negro leaders put together when it comes to influencing great masses of Negroes. We must mark him now . . . as the most dangerous Negro of the future in this Nation from the standpoint of Communism the Negro and national security.

More ominously, the FBI suggested that "legal" efforts to deal with King might not be enough. "It may be unrealistic," the memorandum went on, to limit ourselves as we have been doing to legalistic proofs or definitely conclusive evidence that would stand up in testimony in court or before Congressional Committees....

It was up to the FBI to "mark" King and bring him down on its own-to take the law into its own hands.

On October 1, 1963, Hoover received and then approved a combined COMINFIL-COINTELPRO plan against the civil rights movement. The approved plan called for intensifying "coverage of Communist influence on the Negro." It recommended the "use of all possible investigative techniques" and stated an "urgent need for imaginative and aggressive tactics . . . to neutralize or disrupt the Party's activities in the Negro field."

On October 10 and 21, Attorney General Kennedy gave the FBI one of those "investigative techniques" by approving the wiretaps on King.

On October 18, 1963, the FBI distributed a different kind of memorandum on King, not only to the Justice Department, but to officials at the White House, the Central Intelligence Agency, the State Department, the Defense Department, and Defense Department intelligence agencies. It summarized the bureau's Communist party charges against King and went much further. According to - Assistant Attorney General Burke Marshall, it was a personal diatribe . . . a personal attack without evidentiary support on the character, the moral character and person of Dr. Martin Luther King, and it was only peripherally related to anything substantive, like whether or not there was Communist infiltration or influence on the civil rights movement.... It was a personal attack on the man and went far afield from the charges [of possible Communist influence].

The attorney general was outraged and demanded that Hoover seek the return of the report. By October 28, all copies were returned. This was the first-and last-official action to deter Hoover's vendetta against King.

In November, John Kennedy was assassinated in Dallas, Texas. Lyndon Johnson became president and the Justice Department was in a state of confusion with the attorney general preoccupied with his personal grief. King viewed the assassination as a tragedy, and hoped it would spawn a new public concern for peace and reconciliation.

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http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/NSA/Vendetta_MLK_LS.html

Wish the guy had been interested in more than just protecting plutocrat's property.

[mmonk]

24. Yes. Today, we are fighting the same people.

We thought we had put them to bed so to speak.

[starroute]

25. Not just the same people but the same techniques

The methods that the CIA and NATO developed to keep communists out of power after World War II began to creep into domestic US politics in the Nixon era and are now the stock in trade of the modern GOP.

The rationale is also the same -- that if you can't win legitimately, it's fine to cheat as long as you do it in the name of American exceptionalism and global capitalism.

[Boomerproud]

28. Bless you, Octafish.

Your journey to get to the truth and connect the dots is perseverence personified. I wish everyone (especially the younger generations) knew about this and gave a damn. It mattered then and it matters now.

[Octafish]

33. Walker was behind the ''JFK-Wanted for Treason'' posters in Dallas on 22 November 1963.

The "Wanted For Treason" Flyer Distributed in Dallas Before JFK's Visit

By Rebecca Onion
Slate.com, Nov. 15, 2013

This flyer, around 5,000 copies of which were distributed around Dallas in the days before President Kennedy’s November 22, 1963 visit, accused Kennedy of a range of offenses, from being “lax” on Communism, to “appointing anti-Christians to Federal office,” to lying to the American people about his personal life.

General Edwin A. Walker, a Texan who served in World War II and the Korean War, had resigned his Army post in 1961 after a Kennedy-ordered investigation found that he had violated the Hatch Act, which prohibits federal employees from engaging in political activity on the job, by distributing John Birch Society literature to his troops. Walker moved to Dallas and became a leader of right-wing activity in the city (more on the full range of that activity here). The ex-General led resistance to James Meredith’s 1962 enrollment at the University of Mississippi and unsuccessfully ran for the position of Texas governor.

After the assassination, Walker’s organization was briefly under suspicion, and the Warren Commission investigation tracked these flyers to Walker’s aide Robert Surrey. Surrey had overseen the distribution of the sheets in the days prior to JFK’s arrival; members of Walker’s organization, acting on his behalf, placed them under windshield wipers and in newspaper racks.

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http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_vault/2013/11/15/jfk_assassination_flyer_distributed_in_dallas_by_edwin_walker_s_group_before.html

Personally, I find it incredible that the authorities used Walker to further frame Oswald rather than finding out who he was working with or for or on, let alone suspected him of conspiracy in the assassination.

PS: Thank you for the kind words, Boomerproud! Back at you! Your Friendship means the world to me.

PPS: More on the flyer and Walker from some brave so-and-so: http://derosaworld.typepad.com/derosaworld/jfk-assassination/

[Mc Mike]

42. Thanks for the o.p. Octa. Excellent info. I didn't know Moe Udall had investigated Walker.

Recced.

Good tie-in to the modern media white color blindness, when it comes to fascist US terrorists.

Thanks for the Mae Brussell article in the body of the threads, also. She laid things out so clearly, and was a top notch researcher.