Republicans Crushed In Oklahoma As State Supreme Court Rules 10 Commandments Monument Must Come Down

[Panich52]

PoliticusUSA

In a decisive 7-2 ruling, the Oklahoma Supreme Court has ruled that the Ten Commandments Monument erected at the State Capitol must be removed. The monument was a gift from Republican State Representative Mike Ritze. However, plaintiffs argued that the monument’s placement at the Capitol involved the use of public property for the benefit of a specific religion. They argued, and the court agreed, that the Oklahoma Constitution clearly prohibits such a display promoting one religion over others.

Republican Governor Mary Fallin, was predictably upset by the ruling, and she vowed to work with the state’s Attorney General to “evaluate the state’s legal options moving forward”.

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[spanone]

1. but but but states rights!!!!!

[CanonRay]

2. Splat!

That was the last right wing head popping. How sweet the sound...

[gratuitous]

3. Gov. Fallin: Your legal options moving forward

Your legal options moving forward are to comply with the court's judgment and remove the monument.

Please look for your invoice from gratuitous consulting in the mail. Terms are net + 10. Thank you.

[christx30]

23. What happens if she doesn't comply?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2015/07/07/oklahomas-ten-commandments-statue-isnt-going-anywhere-governor-says/

[MisterP]

4. that headline sounds a little literal ...

[hifiguy]

5. If the ruling is based on the state

constitution, this is Game Over. SCOTUS can't touch it.

[gratuitous]

20. Probably true

An appeal can be made to the U.S. Supreme Court if the monument men can successfully argue that the Oklahoma Supreme Court decision was based on a state constitution clause that is unconstitutional under the federal constitution. This gets pretty deep into the weeds, but it's unlikely that Oklahoma's state constitution conflicts with the United States Constitution on this point.

Which is not to say that the God-botherers won't file a petition for cert with the U.S. Supreme Court, it's just not likely to be granted.

[bigwillq]

6. Religious symbols and structures should not be permitted

on/near government buildings.

I support this decision.

[Stallion]

7. What is Makeup of Oklahoma Supreme Court?

must be nearly all republicans-which makes it even more difficult for them to swallow. Can't blame the LEFTIST or ELITEST Ivy leagues

[Snobblevitch]

8. I always thought the law was supposed to be precise.

The Ten Commandments does not promote 'one religion'.

[shraby]

10. Yes it does. It promotes one god over all religions who have more

than one god.

[Snobblevitch]

11. Judaism and Christianity both have

the 10 Commandments as part of their beliefs. That is two different religions.

[Humanist_Activist]

13. So? You are being overly pedantic. n/t

[Snobblevitch]

14. As I stated, I thought the law was supposed to be precise.

[CBGLuthier]

18. The jewish, protestant and catholic decalogues all have differences.

The monument in Oklahoma has the protestant version. The Catholics, for example omit the graven images part . the jewish version has the clause about no other gods before me as part of the second commandment unlike the protestant which has it as the first.

This was very much a protestant christian monument promoting one flavor of religion.

[Snobblevitch]

21. Ok.

I wonder if the reason this particular religous symbol is going to be removed is because it was only recently put in place. I seem to remember other, similar situations where they were not removed but have been in place for decades or longer.

[blogslut]

24. Cite the first three Commandments, please

Last edited Wed Jul 8, 2015, 02:38 AM - Edit history (1)

Edit Add: Actually, cite the first five commandments, please.

[tanyev]

9. Oh noes! Teh persecution!!1!

[Jeff Murdoch]

12. But, but...

Satan statue--and Hindu monkey god?

Noooooooooooooo!

[B Calm]

15. O'Reilly will say here's the proof there is a war against christmas.

[Takket]

16. Great news! Thanks for the update!

Is this the monument someone drove their car into in protest? Lol I vaguly remember a story to that effect.

[madokie]

17. this mornings paper has an article

they're talking about impeaching the Justices. I shit you not. LOL.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/capitol_report/lawmakers-will-seriously-consider-their-options-in-response-to-ten/article_de66a6a2-3fa8-571c-b0de-cf774a143aeb.html

OKLAHOMA CITY — State lawmakers will “seriously consider” their options to respond to an Oklahoma Supreme Court decision that a Ten Commandments monument must be removed from the state Capitol grounds, the speaker of the House said Wednesday.

In the immediate aftermath of Tuesday’s ruling, lawmakers suggested impeachment of the justices and repeal of the portion of the state constitution on which the decision was based.

Speaker Jeff Hickman, R-Fairview, said he was disappointed in the ruling and had already heard from House members and constituents since the ruling was announced.

“The implications of this Oklahoma Supreme Court opinion are serious and far-reaching, and should not and will not be taken lightly,” Hickman said in a prepared statement.

[jwirr]

19. Again they are crying about nothing. The commandments like the flag stand for a certain way of

interpreting history. In the USA there have always been more than one way some group interprets the symbols.

The public grounds of government belong to all of us and not just one group that thinks they got it right. The confederate flag is one example of this - it stand only for the people who have an ancestor who was on the confederate side of the civil war and has been turned into a symbol of hate by an even smaller group of people. The flag does not belong on ground that belong to all of us.

The Ten Commandments likewise is a symbol of what one group of people in this country believe. They are not being asked to change their belief. They are merely being asked to take the symbol off of the government grounds that belong to all of us.

Mutual respect demands that we place our symbols on private property not on jointly owned governmental property. The flag can fly over a confederate museum or at your home. Likewise the Ten Commandment statue has a place it can rest - in front of churches.

To insist that we must all accept these symbols is childish - like the child who insists on taking his ball and going home if everyone will not play his way.

[Hortensis]

22. Great. Another decision holding the line against attempts to move us farther right. Decisive, too!