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n2doc

(47,953 posts)
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 04:52 PM Apr 2015

Bernie Sanders Has Already Taken More Press Questions Than Hillary Clinton

The Vermont senator starts his presidential campaign by engaging with the press, something Clinton has so far avoided.
—By Patrick Caldwell

Unlike Hillary Clinton, his rival for the Democratic presidential nomination, Bernie Sanders didn't use a splashy, big-budget video to announce his campaign. Instead, the Vermont senator opted for a series of one-on-one television interviews Wednesday followed by a low-key launch event outside the US Capitol Thursday morning. "I believe that in a democracy, what elections are about are serious debates over serious issues," he said Thursday. "Not political gossip, not making campaigns into soap operas. This is not the Red Sox vs. the Yankees, this is the debate over major issues facing the American people."

Pundits are already dismissing Sanders—who has, in the past, described himself as a socialist rather than a Democrat—as a long-shot candidate with little chance of defeating Hillary Clinton for the Democrats' 2016 nomination. But Sanders is already beating Clinton on one metric: Answering questions from the press.

Earlier this week, National Journal's Zach Cohen counted all of the times Clinton has answered press questions since she announced her presidential campaign on April 12. Cohen counted just seven "answers"—about half of which ignored the actual question. When asked about whether a super-PAC would support her campaign, she said, "I don't know." When she was quizzed about her chances in Iowa, she said "I'm having a great time, can't look forward any more than I am."

Sanders, who needs all the press attention he can get, kicked off his presidential campaign by fielding a barrage of questions from TV news reporters in interviews Wednesday. Over the course of one five-minute exchange with MSNBC's Andrea Mitchell on Wednesday, Sanders answered seven separate questions. The trend continued at Sanders' campaign launch event Thursday morning, where he took six more questions.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/04/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-democrat-2016-press-questions

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Bernie Sanders Has Already Taken More Press Questions Than Hillary Clinton (Original Post) n2doc Apr 2015 OP
Well, if Bernie had a different team working around him he make have been able to pull off a Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #1
Whatever that means. earthside Apr 2015 #2
Put some substance out, dont bitch about others. Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #3
Drawing meaningful distinctions is not bitching. nt CanadaexPat Apr 2015 #5
oh oooh.............. you used the word bitch Ichingcarpenter Apr 2015 #6
I'm offended by your sexist verb. n/t earthside Apr 2015 #7
*** L0oniX Apr 2015 #11
Dog whistle. nt MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #27
The dude already said s/he is against ALL of Sanders' positions. morningfog Apr 2015 #30
How can you be against ALL of Sander's positions stage left May 2015 #98
Poster has been caught whistling on other topics too. n/t PowerToThePeople Apr 2015 #32
Fail. Again. Bobbie Jo May 2015 #86
I prefer he answer the questions he is asked. That is splashy enough for me, and so refreshing. sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #33
Good one! hootinholler Apr 2015 #45
Interesting launch, it's working. Agschmid Apr 2015 #4
Sen Sanders has been very vocal for years and very clear as to how he stands. rhett o rick Apr 2015 #8
Hillary will President of all of us: Bernie wants to President of Ideologues on the left lewebley3 May 2015 #80
What do the "Ideologues on the left" want for the people that you rhett o rick May 2015 #117
That easy; left don't' compromise : When Politics is the Art of the Possible! lewebley3 May 2015 #121
You didn't mention one single issue that you disagree with the Left. rhett o rick May 2015 #123
Hillary agrees with most if not all the liberal Dem positions, and has for year!! lewebley3 May 2015 #124
Be specific on which policies she agrees with Sen Sanders for example. rhett o rick May 2015 #125
Don't expect a lot of occasions where Hillary has to provide real answers. leveymg Apr 2015 #9
yep. nt antigop Apr 2015 #16
Hillary has already provided real answers: She has never been subject to softball questions lewebley3 May 2015 #83
Bill Clinton did do some good things, including refusing to bring us into truedelphi May 2015 #118
The Points is Clinton's were most successful Admirations in American History!! lewebley3 May 2015 #120
Please post this in the Bernie Sanders group ...thanks L0oniX Apr 2015 #10
and Bernie's answers are clear, to the point, understandable, and intended to communicate. nt magical thyme Apr 2015 #12
He'll never run out of "issues" as long as Clinton is in the race. ucrdem Apr 2015 #13
Huh? He'll never run out of issues as long as morningfog Apr 2015 #31
SO unfair FlatBaroque Apr 2015 #14
This message was self-deleted by its author F4lconF16 Apr 2015 #15
So you have proof that Bernie's positions do not reflect a significant portion of the population... L0oniX Apr 2015 #20
No, FlatBaroque Apr 2015 #22
I sure hope you meant this tongue-in-cheek. Beartracks Apr 2015 #21
tongue firmly planted in left cheek n/t FlatBaroque Apr 2015 #24
nice! renate May 2015 #77
He's used to this kind of townhall questioning weekly on Thom Hartmann's show for many years... cascadiance Apr 2015 #38
I'd rather vote for someone with the conviction to ALREADY KNOW what their positions are, NorthCarolina Apr 2015 #28
People will hear the truth from Bernie Rosa Luxemburg May 2015 #126
I hope so, NorthCarolina May 2015 #127
Brunch with Bernie Punx Apr 2015 #35
Someone else on another thread said unscreened. F4lconF16 Apr 2015 #51
Well over the year's Punx Apr 2015 #56
Well done, welcome to DU... Fumesucker Apr 2015 #46
Thank you FlatBaroque Apr 2015 #47
That's fucking BULLSHIT! Bernie has already done a listening tour. FAIL! nt ChisolmTrailDem May 2015 #75
Yes, not exactly shocking that minor candidates take all the free press they can get. tritsofme Apr 2015 #17
as opposed to bought and paid for frylock Apr 2015 #40
Yea, bought-and-paid-for candidate don't have to worry about that. nt ChisolmTrailDem May 2015 #76
Hillary has been described as a lousy campaigner.... Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2015 #18
Seriously astute observation. FlatBaroque Apr 2015 #25
Yup, and there's something wrong with YOU if you fail to connect with her. Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2015 #36
omg. YES. You have nailed it right there. Thank you! Hiraeth May 2015 #100
Didn't she win two senate campaigns? R B Garr Apr 2015 #49
In a blue state. Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2015 #50
Vermont is a blue state, and much smaller than New York...but R B Garr Apr 2015 #54
Meanwhile, Hillary is getting the blessing of Corporate America. Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2015 #55
So Bernie is running on his own money? R B Garr May 2015 #60
One of these days it will sink in that votes trump Trump. Spitfire of ATJ May 2015 #61
Okay. I'm just saying that applying arbitrary and non-existent standards R B Garr May 2015 #62
But that's NOT the actual system... Spitfire of ATJ May 2015 #66
That's where name recognition comes into play R B Garr May 2015 #68
I'm old enough to remember when politicians addressed issues.... Spitfire of ATJ May 2015 #82
Bernie is not to be questoned. Ever. LordGlenconner May 2015 #67
LOL, true. There was a thread locked yesterday that was accurate R B Garr May 2015 #69
Bash away. 99Forever May 2015 #87
You're not even going to put words in my mouth. R B Garr May 2015 #88
Bashing was your choice of words, not mine. 99Forever May 2015 #92
From your post #87: "Bash away" R B Garr May 2015 #93
All that obedience training and they still piss on the carpet. Spitfire of ATJ May 2015 #109
In a blue state against 3rd tier Republican opponents. jeff47 Apr 2015 #58
So you're saying no 1st string Republicans wanted to run against her? R B Garr May 2015 #59
No, I'm saying there are no 1st string Republicans in NY to run against her. jeff47 May 2015 #65
There is the reason that she decided to live there. She is astute, politically. I will give her that Hiraeth May 2015 #102
Damn shame she can't always pick her opponents. Spitfire of ATJ May 2015 #112
Hence, the reason for her 2008 loss after the "inevitable" tag was slapped on her... eloydude May 2015 #63
She hangs out with the rich. Spitfire of ATJ May 2015 #91
She IS the rich (n/t) Seeking Serenity May 2015 #103
"This is not the Red Sox vs. the Yankees..." OMG, I hear ya!!! Beartracks Apr 2015 #19
happy vietnam war protestors day! captainarizona Apr 2015 #23
Except NorthCarolina Apr 2015 #29
And if she had taken that approach she'd have been vilified for pandering to the press rather than PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #26
LOL - the "press" is a bunch of bullshit MaggieD Apr 2015 #34
She's not going to win the NOMINATION if she avoids the press. This isn't a coronation. cherokeeprogressive Apr 2015 #41
Sure she is.... MaggieD Apr 2015 #43
Yeah we'll see. cherokeeprogressive Apr 2015 #48
And Bernie already stuck his foot in his mouth once today. He allowed himself to be stevenleser Apr 2015 #52
Yeah, that doesn't bode well MaggieD Apr 2015 #57
Guess it doesn't count if you meet with lobbyists from the tobacco, energy and oil industries, huh. Thinkingabout May 2015 #79
Is that why Bernie made the mistake he made? He met with those folks? stevenleser May 2015 #95
I don't know why Bernie made the mistakes he has. It seems okay if he does these things. Thinkingabout May 2015 #104
Nonsense. F4lconF16 Apr 2015 #53
LOL, a little scared for Hillary? I hope hillary avoids the press..... Logical May 2015 #70
If you mean scared about Bernie - LOL - no MaggieD May 2015 #94
But he will push hillary left i hope. Nt Logical May 2015 #101
I guess its time to ratchet up the anti-Hillary posts around here. We're counting questions now? George II Apr 2015 #37
these things happen when you're not reliant upon 200 advisors to craft your message frylock Apr 2015 #39
Sanders reflects the old FDR Dem values raindaddy Apr 2015 #42
If I had known hootinholler Apr 2015 #44
He does not have the same name recognition as Hillary. NCTraveler May 2015 #64
One great forum where Sen. Sanders can be heard and took questions was right here DFW May 2015 #71
This Statement is Lie, HIllary has been taking questions for 20 years from the Press! lewebley3 May 2015 #72
No, it's not. They are clearly referring to the period of time after each announced cali May 2015 #90
So, Hillary's real answers and positions, only count after Bernie announcement!! That interesting!! lewebley3 May 2015 #97
no. It's about being accessible to the press and willing to answer questions cali May 2015 #107
What a concept - a politician who doesn't need flash or focus groups... polichick May 2015 #73
No Bernie doesnt' have to use focus, He has all that info from Dem's lewebley3 May 2015 #78
Bernie very obviously does not hesitate to answer, scrambling for the "right" answer... polichick May 2015 #81
All Dem's know the issue inside and out! Hillary does too, she is good Dem lewebley3 May 2015 #85
You brought up Hillary, not me... polichick May 2015 #89
bwahahahaha Bernie has been saying the same things for 40 years cali May 2015 #96
Hillary and Bill accomplished, the Most Successful Administrations in American History!! lewebley3 May 2015 #99
just not true. Bill was instrumental in the mass incarceration movement cali May 2015 #105
I know about the Clinton Administration History: I lived through it!! lewebley3 May 2015 #108
You just make shit up- endlessly. cali May 2015 #110
No just the Facts look them up!! lewebley3 May 2015 #114
Clinton's did things for Civil rights, They didn't just work on them, and make speeches. lewebley3 May 2015 #115
She wanted to skate through the primaries and have a coronation LittleBlue May 2015 #74
You don't Know Hillary mind: Hillary History is a loyal Dem!! lewebley3 May 2015 #106
Because when you speak from conviction, you don't have to remember today's spin. Jester Messiah May 2015 #84
Is a candidate's relationship with the media a reason to support them? Buzz cook May 2015 #111
Trust me. The MSM is gonna give this guy LOTs of press, as a potential third party splitter. McCamy Taylor May 2015 #113
Third party? He's running in the Democratic primary ffs. frylock May 2015 #119
Of course workinclasszero May 2015 #116
Imagine. Returning to the quaint democratic idea woo me with science May 2015 #122

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
1. Well, if Bernie had a different team working around him he make have been able to pull off a
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 04:55 PM
Apr 2015

Splashy coming out.

Bobbie Jo

(14,341 posts)
86. Fail. Again.
Fri May 1, 2015, 01:18 PM
May 2015

If you really want to find dog whistlers, (which I rather doubt) head on over to this thread:

http://upload.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6596249

Your continued mocking of this behavior doesn't help your case. At all...

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
8. Sen Sanders has been very vocal for years and very clear as to how he stands.
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 05:13 PM
Apr 2015

It will be tough for Clinton to say she wants the banks regulated when she took $400,000 from Goldman-Sachs and told them she thought some were picking on the banksters.

 

lewebley3

(3,412 posts)
80. Hillary will President of all of us: Bernie wants to President of Ideologues on the left
Fri May 1, 2015, 12:56 PM
May 2015


I have been liberal all my life, Hillary is my choice she is
skilled enough to bring this nation together!

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
117. What do the "Ideologues on the left" want for the people that you
Fri May 1, 2015, 03:48 PM
May 2015

disagree with? Maybe regulating the banks? Single payer health insurance? An end to the Patriot Act?

Again, what does the left and Sen Sanders want that you don't want?

 

lewebley3

(3,412 posts)
121. That easy; left don't' compromise : When Politics is the Art of the Possible!
Sat May 2, 2015, 11:55 AM
May 2015

They bash people who run for office and have to work with in
politics to get things done.
I am for single payer, and did not like Obama deals, but it is what
was possible. Obama care is good a improvement, it could be better, but it was
what was possible. (Left always bashing his improvements as not good enough)

Hillary cannot fix the banks, nor can she bash the banks, Dick Durin
said that the Banks own this country right now!
What Hillary and Dem's can do is run for office get some power,
she can play few political cards for the American people.

Hillary and Bill could have had 100's millions dollars, they only have
50 between the two of them. They have given most of their money
charity! In way they are Ideologues they want to get things done.

Hillary's are girl on the issues, and she knows to play politics to win on
behalf America: Lincoln the first rule of politics is to win, then you can
have say in policy.

The occupied movement was a wasted, because the didn't go home and vote, or run for office.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
123. You didn't mention one single issue that you disagree with the Left.
Sat May 2, 2015, 04:09 PM
May 2015

Seems your idea of compromise is that when you catch someone (banksters) stealing your money, you bow and let them at it and mock the Left that wants to stop the thief.

The Clintons are worth $100 million that they have accumulated in the last 15 years. http://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-politicians/presidents/bill-clinton-net-worth/

There is a class war and the 99% is losing badly. Whose side are you on?

 

lewebley3

(3,412 posts)
124. Hillary agrees with most if not all the liberal Dem positions, and has for year!!
Sat May 2, 2015, 04:34 PM
May 2015

Bernie's followers who bash her, when she is loyal Dem:

Dem's don't support compromise with criminals, the banks
did what they because Gore and Dem's lost a political fight. If Koch brother install
a crazy GOP person this country will be at war!!


Google Clinton net-worth Hillary 21million, with Bill its 50million:
Really no much to go against the GOP with!


 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
125. Be specific on which policies she agrees with Sen Sanders for example.
Sat May 2, 2015, 04:48 PM
May 2015

How can you call her loyal after she betrayed her party and help Bush sell the Iraq War?

I gave you a link that indicated that Pres Clinton was currently worth $80 million. Add that to HRC's wealth of $21 million equals over $100 million placing them in the top of the 1%.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
9. Don't expect a lot of occasions where Hillary has to provide real answers.
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 05:17 PM
Apr 2015

Her staff are all about control over the terrain and selecting venues where she can duck or gets thrown softball questions.

 

lewebley3

(3,412 posts)
83. Hillary has already provided real answers: She has never been subject to softball questions
Fri May 1, 2015, 01:05 PM
May 2015

Hillary has been head of the Dem's party that has provided real answers,
her and Bill, provided answers, the made all Americans richer, not just
rich. The country was in the black when they left office:

Bush crashed the economy and took this country to war: not one else!!

Hillary is just what the country needs, she will sign anything the
Dem's can get the votes for!

Clintons have never had it easy with questions!


truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
118. Bill Clinton did do some good things, including refusing to bring us into
Fri May 1, 2015, 04:29 PM
May 2015

The war against Iraq that Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and other neo cons got going shortly after Nine Eleven.

But much of the prosperity the nation knew in the late Nineties had to do, not with the Clintons, but with the bubbling up of the dot com industry. Which went down like the Titanic in 2000.

Also, Bill did not hesitate one iota against signing onto the Bank Modernization and Reform Act. This one Act totally demolished the middle class-protecting provisions of Glass Steagal, and which in large part brought about the catastrophe we witnessed in 2008, when the entire economic house of cards came tumbling down.

 

lewebley3

(3,412 posts)
120. The Points is Clinton's were most successful Admirations in American History!!
Sat May 2, 2015, 11:07 AM
May 2015


I am not arguing they were all things to all people: but they
raised taxes on rich, crime went down, the middle class was built up:
They proved Democratic policy are some of the best this country has had.

Bush and GOP, with Regonomics were disasters to the country!

Clinton's are loyal Dems, they will sign anything the Dem's get the votes for,
the have been very loyal to Obama, you won't hear of Hillary writing
book to bash Obama.

Indeed, I hoping he makes great speeches for her.

FlatBaroque

(3,160 posts)
14. SO unfair
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 06:00 PM
Apr 2015

Secretary Clinton is listening to the voters to guide her on what her positions should be, whereas Bernie just wants to talk about his positions. I heard listening was better than talking.

Response to FlatBaroque (Reply #14)

 

L0oniX

(31,493 posts)
20. So you have proof that Bernie's positions do not reflect a significant portion of the population...
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 06:26 PM
Apr 2015

who take the same positions on important issues?

FlatBaroque

(3,160 posts)
22. No,
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 06:30 PM
Apr 2015

I think Bernie reflects 99% of the views of the 99%. That's why, if he continues to speak truth, he will have a shot at overcoming the Billion dollar candidate. (You may have not adequately perceived my snark.

Beartracks

(12,821 posts)
21. I sure hope you meant this tongue-in-cheek.
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 06:29 PM
Apr 2015

In any case, Bernie's already been listening for years. It seems to be baked into how he fulfills the duties of his elected office, and not just in how he manages his campaigns.

=========================

 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
38. He's used to this kind of townhall questioning weekly on Thom Hartmann's show for many years...
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 07:35 PM
Apr 2015

... where he may even get Republicans calling in to grill him on something.

I think he's prepared for this kind of questioning in a way that not many other politicians are ready for it. And it's good that he'll start using skill to his advantage and get his word out that much more and in a timely fashion for Americans to hear his responses in real time than stuff that is "rehearsed" that so many Americans are tired of now.

 

NorthCarolina

(11,197 posts)
28. I'd rather vote for someone with the conviction to ALREADY KNOW what their positions are,
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 07:00 PM
Apr 2015

and with a long voting history to back up their campaign rhetoric. While Hillary is still deciding "what her positions should be", Bernie already knows what his positions are that he will run on. He's lived it, and there is no "deciding" that needs to go on. I think I'll go with the real deal thank you very much. That's why my choice is Bernie Sanders.

 

NorthCarolina

(11,197 posts)
127. I hope so,
Sun May 3, 2015, 08:40 PM
May 2015

I've been listening to Bernie for a long, long time now and he has never disappointed me. In fact, I have donated to his Senatorial campaign in the past even though I'm in NC. I am anxious and excited to watch his campaign reach out to the segment of the population that has been largely neglected for most of my adult life.

Punx

(446 posts)
35. Brunch with Bernie
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 07:19 PM
Apr 2015

Bernie has been taking calls Fridays on the Thom Hartmann show for years now. Sounds like listening to me. As I'm not there I can't say to what amount they are screened.

Punx

(446 posts)
56. Well over the year's
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 10:18 PM
Apr 2015

I've heard some pretty odd ball questions on the show for what its worth. In fairness, Bernie sometimes doesn't always specifically answer the question put to him. Being a politician, probably nothing surprising there.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
18. Hillary has been described as a lousy campaigner....
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 06:12 PM
Apr 2015

And one of her biggest faults has been described as her inability to connect to voters.

She expects voters to connect to her.

R B Garr

(16,975 posts)
54. Vermont is a blue state, and much smaller than New York...but
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 09:48 PM
Apr 2015

I don't want that to sound like Bernie-bashing because I like him just fine but would like to see more of him mostly because geographically I don't naturally pay a lot of attention to New England politics except for the big names like Kennedy (formerly) in Massachusetts, etc.

Anyway...Bernie has little name recognition, so of course he needs to put himself out there more, hence his willingness for press exposure. Clinton's massive name recognition is both her strong point and a weak point at the same time. So just because Bernie is taking more press opportunities doesn't in any way compare to Clinton's campaign methods.

R B Garr

(16,975 posts)
60. So Bernie is running on his own money?
Fri May 1, 2015, 12:40 AM
May 2015

Why should Hillary be held to different standards than anyone else, especially Republicans who will be completely drenched in corporate money and none of their supporters care as long as they win.

R B Garr

(16,975 posts)
62. Okay. I'm just saying that applying arbitrary and non-existent standards
Fri May 1, 2015, 10:03 AM
May 2015

to one candidate alone based on ideals of what a system should be, but isn't, is not a realistic evaluation.

Anyway, I don't want to seem like I'm teeing off on your posts, so I'll just say that I do understand the criticisms of Clinton and let it go at that.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
66. But that's NOT the actual system...
Fri May 1, 2015, 12:06 PM
May 2015

The media TELLS candidates that whoever raises the most cash has a better chance of winning but that's because the media is selling air time for the ads.

I bet they'd sing a different tune if they had to air ads for free as a public service.

R B Garr

(16,975 posts)
68. That's where name recognition comes into play
Fri May 1, 2015, 12:20 PM
May 2015

making it easier for incumbent politicians to gain reelection. Their name is already known and out there.

There should be competition ads as a free public service. That would be ideal if there was a level playing field.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
82. I'm old enough to remember when politicians addressed issues....
Fri May 1, 2015, 01:00 PM
May 2015

But that was back when the media asked for solutions to problems faced by the common folk.

That was back when the media gave a damn about the common folk.

R B Garr

(16,975 posts)
69. LOL, true. There was a thread locked yesterday that was accurate
Fri May 1, 2015, 12:25 PM
May 2015

about the tenor here changing once Bernie announced. Apparently it's uncool to bash Democrats now that Bernie has entered the race, lol.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
87. Bash away.
Fri May 1, 2015, 01:20 PM
May 2015

But I would highly recommend a crash course in Senator Sanders history before you go there,as there are a fair number of us that have considered him America's Senator (and America's Congress person before that) for well over a decade.

Best to have your ducks in a row, before you run off at the mouth.

R B Garr

(16,975 posts)
88. You're not even going to put words in my mouth.
Fri May 1, 2015, 01:24 PM
May 2015

How ridiculous to take anything said as bashing. That's just you looking to start something for no reason whatsoever.

It's only been two days since Sanders announced -- maybe you're the one who needs to bone up. There's a long way to go.

R B Garr

(16,975 posts)
93. From your post #87: "Bash away"
Fri May 1, 2015, 01:32 PM
May 2015

My comment was referring to a locked thread from yesterday and how it noted that the tenor changed after Bernie announced, but before that it was okay to bash DEMOCRATS.

My comment was not about bashing Bernie. You are the one who went there and assumed that was my intent.

Hey, it's going to be a long, long campaign for you. Hang in there!

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
58. In a blue state against 3rd tier Republican opponents.
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 11:32 PM
Apr 2015

A little like saying "McAuliffe won VA! He must be a great campaigner" and leaving out the near-indictment of his opponent.

R B Garr

(16,975 posts)
59. So you're saying no 1st string Republicans wanted to run against her?
Fri May 1, 2015, 12:35 AM
May 2015

What does that tell you.

Two campaigns of lousy candidates and criminals for competition doesn't sound like Hillary just got lucky. Sorry.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
65. No, I'm saying there are no 1st string Republicans in NY to run against her.
Fri May 1, 2015, 11:29 AM
May 2015

The only Republican politicians left in the state represent the bright-red parts of the state. Representing those parts require them to be utterly unacceptable to the blue parts of the state, in order to avoid tea party primaries.

Hiraeth

(4,805 posts)
102. There is the reason that she decided to live there. She is astute, politically. I will give her that
Fri May 1, 2015, 02:13 PM
May 2015

They could have lived anywhere.

 

eloydude

(376 posts)
63. Hence, the reason for her 2008 loss after the "inevitable" tag was slapped on her...
Fri May 1, 2015, 10:08 AM
May 2015

She didn't bother to reach out to people.

She expected people to REACH out for her....

She has no ability to connect with the people that are truly hurting.

Beartracks

(12,821 posts)
19. "This is not the Red Sox vs. the Yankees..." OMG, I hear ya!!!
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 06:25 PM
Apr 2015

I am so frustrated and dismayed at the whole sports mindset surrounding the way that the mainstream media and far too many voters think of the most cherished tenet of democracy: voting.

=====================

 

captainarizona

(363 posts)
23. happy vietnam war protestors day!
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 06:32 PM
Apr 2015

And unlike hillary bernie voted against the iraq war and so did republican lincoln chafee!

 

NorthCarolina

(11,197 posts)
29. Except
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 07:03 PM
Apr 2015

Lincoln Chaffee was/is a Republican. Regardless of what he calls himself now, I don't cast votes for Republicans; new, old, or ex-.

PeaceNikki

(27,985 posts)
26. And if she had taken that approach she'd have been vilified for pandering to the press rather than
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 06:35 PM
Apr 2015

talking to real people.

 

MaggieD

(7,393 posts)
34. LOL - the "press" is a bunch of bullshit
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 07:14 PM
Apr 2015

She is smart to stay away from them. Bernie will learn that soon enough, if he's really playing to win. If he's in it to drive the debate he will be trying to get all the press he can.

 

MaggieD

(7,393 posts)
43. Sure she is....
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 08:16 PM
Apr 2015

Obama rarely did press conferences when he was running - at least until the general. He didn't take questions at his announcement either. They do events that the press covers. They interview with friendlies. Once in a while they talk to whomever is on the campaign bus.

Here is a blast from the past on Obama's announcement:

"Admitting the tactic is typical of aspiring candidates, Obama promised to overhaul a political system he says is dominated by lobbyists and special interest groups "who've turned our government into a game only they can afford to play."

"They write the checks and you get stuck with the bills, they get the access while you get to write a letter, they think they own this government, but we're here today to take it back. The time for that kind of politics is over," he said. "It's time to turn the page right here and right now."

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/02/10/obama.president/

Sound familiar? LOL!

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
52. And Bernie already stuck his foot in his mouth once today. He allowed himself to be
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 09:35 PM
Apr 2015

manipulated into a statement that the press could easily change into "Bernie attacks Hillary" http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6594541

F4lconF16

(3,747 posts)
53. Nonsense.
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 09:42 PM
Apr 2015

Sanders is experienced with handling open questions and hard issues. He can handle the media. For once, we have a candidate who is not going to play the game. Being with the media a lot keeps him engaging with the issues that matter to voters, providing him opportunities to show them that he is working on those issues.

He's also a whole lot less likely than most to fuck up and say something stupid, too. It's because he actually cares and has a strong understanding of the issues, and he talks about what he believes all the time. He does not have to hide from anything in his record.

You want to know why I think he'll be fine? Take Clinton. Now, I normally don't care for her speeches. I don't find myself engaged. But when she talks on gender problems, when she defends the oppressed sexes in this country, I am engaged. She rarely ever screws up in those areas, and it's because she believes everything she says. Those are real, important issues to her. Sanders is like that for basically everything.

He will be fine.

 

MaggieD

(7,393 posts)
94. If you mean scared about Bernie - LOL - no
Fri May 1, 2015, 01:34 PM
May 2015

I would be just as happy with him. I just don't think a 73 year old socialist can win in the general.

raindaddy

(1,370 posts)
42. Sanders reflects the old FDR Dem values
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 07:50 PM
Apr 2015

Hillary reflects the values of the third way and the entitlement of being the media's anointed candidate.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
64. He does not have the same name recognition as Hillary.
Fri May 1, 2015, 10:16 AM
May 2015

He is going to have to do things she doesn't have to. Common sense. She has cemented her name recognition. This is pretty weak as far as comparing goes. Six more questions from the press. lol. Sanders is a great spokesperson for the working class as is Hillary. Any time they get in front of a camera in this campaign cycle it is good for the working class. This is beyond stretching in order to be divisive. Bernie has to take all of the free press he can. It is the smart thing to do.

DFW

(54,436 posts)
71. One great forum where Sen. Sanders can be heard and took questions was right here
Fri May 1, 2015, 12:39 PM
May 2015

Here is his speech and Q&A at the NPC in March:



When my dad was alive, his office was in the National Press building just one floor below the National Press Club. I heard many a speaker there, both serious and nut case. I got to play live music before a president for the first time there. Many memories for me. I can imagine the buzz that was in that room the day this was recorded.
 

lewebley3

(3,412 posts)
72. This Statement is Lie, HIllary has been taking questions for 20 years from the Press!
Fri May 1, 2015, 12:41 PM
May 2015

Media is controlled by Fox and Corporations, she should not be
making any statements to them.
She has been on many forums, where people in the line up
and ask her questions and she has answered every question
that was put to her.
I have watched her on C-span may times, that is why I know where
she stands on everything.
The Press don't' have questions, they just want to bash her,
they are not interested in the truth. Journalism dead,
they sold out to the corporations years ago!!

The book for Hillary cash and they email stories were created by
the New York times and the Washington post made a deal
with a corporation that is bashing Hillary and Supporting
republicans and fox fake news

Also Bernie, made only statement at his conference, cut off questions
very quickly. He wasn't interested in answering press question!!

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
90. No, it's not. They are clearly referring to the period of time after each announced
Fri May 1, 2015, 01:25 PM
May 2015

Sorry, but candidates have to deal with the corporate media. That's irrefutable. And there is more than just the corporate media.

As for your utter bullshit claim about Bernie, he spent more time answering questions at his announcement than he did making the announcement and yeah, he's always been far more accessible than Hillary. In fact, genius, Bernie answers unscreened questions every Friday on radio on Thom Hartmann's radio show. The program is called Brunch with Bernie.

And Hillary's long relationship with Wall Street banks and her support for such crap as the corporate sponsored bankruptcy bill, are real, not made up.

 

lewebley3

(3,412 posts)
97. So, Hillary's real answers and positions, only count after Bernie announcement!! That interesting!!
Fri May 1, 2015, 01:43 PM
May 2015

The reason most American's are supporting Hillary is because the long
history they have had with her!!
Bernie supporters want to disallow Hillary's years of being a loyal Dem.

She has dealt with Corporation media for years: Where were you during
the most successful Admirations American history!! (Clinton's)
Bernie has talked good game, what has be accomplished!!
The Clinton's drove down African American unemployment to single digit.

It not surprising that Sanders supporter want to start Hillary history
with Bernie announcement.

Hillary hasn't just talked about the middle class, has actually done something
about!!


 

cali

(114,904 posts)
107. no. It's about being accessible to the press and willing to answer questions
Fri May 1, 2015, 02:28 PM
May 2015

and as I said, you know exactly jackshit about Bernie, hon.

sorry, his positions and record, make him a far better fit for me and many progressives.

polichick

(37,152 posts)
73. What a concept - a politician who doesn't need flash or focus groups...
Fri May 1, 2015, 12:45 PM
May 2015

to know who he is or what the people want.

Ask him anything - he tells you what he thinks. What a concept!

 

lewebley3

(3,412 posts)
78. No Bernie doesnt' have to use focus, He has all that info from Dem's
Fri May 1, 2015, 12:51 PM
May 2015

No Bernie doesn't have use focus groups, he will use the Dem's
party info, the party that has been working for the American
people, the party Hillary has been a part of for years~~

polichick

(37,152 posts)
81. Bernie very obviously does not hesitate to answer, scrambling for the "right" answer...
Fri May 1, 2015, 12:57 PM
May 2015

He knows the issues inside and out, and speaks honestly about how he sees them and what he would do to respond to them.

There's a reason that the words Clinton and triangulation are linked.

 

lewebley3

(3,412 posts)
85. All Dem's know the issue inside and out! Hillary does too, she is good Dem
Fri May 1, 2015, 01:14 PM
May 2015

Triangulation is just another word for politics, and Bernie is
politician too!
Hillary is fine politician: that is the job of Presidency to bring
people together!!
This is why I don't care for Sanders supporters they are always bashing
Hillary who has been a loyal Dem, she was part the most successful
Administrations in American History. African American unemployment went
down to single digits.
Bernie has talked a good game, but what has he accomplished, Hillary
and Bill have actually signed bills into laws that have helped the American
people.
I am grateful to Hillary and Bill putting themselves out there taking all
attacks from the GOP on our behalf.






polichick

(37,152 posts)
89. You brought up Hillary, not me...
Fri May 1, 2015, 01:24 PM
May 2015

And I only mentioned the words Clinton and triangulation after you did.

fyi, some of us think Bill Clinton perverted the party with his triangulation and corporate focus.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
96. bwahahahaha Bernie has been saying the same things for 40 years
Fri May 1, 2015, 01:39 PM
May 2015

he doesn't need to rely on the dem party for his positions.

And long before Hillary was doing anything for people, Bernie was working for civil rights as a student organizer for SNCC and marching on Washington.

 

lewebley3

(3,412 posts)
99. Hillary and Bill accomplished, the Most Successful Administrations in American History!!
Fri May 1, 2015, 02:04 PM
May 2015

They have sign bills into laws, that have actually helped in the
middle class.

Everyone, did better under the Clinton's, even minorities,
they raised taxes on the rich, the strength SS: Hillary is
also party another successful Administrations .

I like how she does not Dis her boss Obama; so many people
leave Obama then bash him in a book

Clinton's have put themselves out their for Dem party for years!
She will look out for the American people, as she always has!!

Bernie has only talked about what must be done, he has
accomplished very little.
He just knows the issues, like Hillary does too, but Hillary knows
how to get things done, because she has gotten things done!!

Its Bush and GOP policy that have crashed the economy, it was Bush that
made the decision to take this country war, it the GOP Regan policy
that have left middle class with nothing!!

Bash the GOP not Hillary, they are ones that don't' answer questions!!




 

cali

(114,904 posts)
105. just not true. Bill was instrumental in the mass incarceration movement
Fri May 1, 2015, 02:22 PM
May 2015

DOMA ring a bell? He signed that. NAFTA. Moving dems to the right.

You know nothing about Bernie. About what he accomplished as a four term Mayor- including the funding the first community housing trust in the country. He accomplished more for veterans than virtually anyone else in the country, particularly regarding

YOU really shouldn't talk about things you know nothing about.

I do know Hillary's mixed record and her record of "evolving" on the issues.





 

lewebley3

(3,412 posts)
108. I know about the Clinton Administration History: I lived through it!!
Fri May 1, 2015, 02:41 PM
May 2015

Bill was not the instrumental in any mass incarcerating:

The American people wanted the mass incarceration especially the GOP,
they still do! The GOP make money off prison, they in favor
privatizing everything.

Bill never advocated mass incarceration, he and Dem's worked hard
at keeping people out prison with full funded programs. The GOP
wined and wined about the wasted money:

Fox news and Rush were on the air saying people should go to prison
for smoking pot.

Crime went way down under the Clinton because people had jobs, there
no mass incarceration

Bash the GOP not loyal Dem's' like Clinton's



 

cali

(114,904 posts)
110. You just make shit up- endlessly.
Fri May 1, 2015, 02:44 PM
May 2015

bill took a tough on crime stance and advocated for building more prisons and harsher sentences. period.

you can't just make shit up.

And sorry, Bernie is better on the issues and doesn't have to "evolve". He voted NO on DOMA. Hill verbally supported it.

 

lewebley3

(3,412 posts)
114. No just the Facts look them up!!
Fri May 1, 2015, 02:54 PM
May 2015

NO he doesn't have to evolve, he stuck in one place!!

His votes had no consequences, he could vote anyway wanted!!
He could be an ideologue, while Hillary and Bill were keeping
the party going, so most American could get jobs.



Hillary and Bill were charged with the leadership the Dem party, they
ran it well.





 

lewebley3

(3,412 posts)
115. Clinton's did things for Civil rights, They didn't just work on them, and make speeches.
Fri May 1, 2015, 03:17 PM
May 2015

That is why I like them so much, they put themselves out there and
get in the fight for the American people. They signed bills into law:
they took on the awful GOP on the American behalf over and over again.

Bernie has sat worked on issues, and it only now he wants to get into fight!!

I am sticking with Hillary is dependable, respect her judgment!
 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
74. She wanted to skate through the primaries and have a coronation
Fri May 1, 2015, 12:45 PM
May 2015

That way when she shifts right during the general, she won't seem like she's backing out of pledges

 

lewebley3

(3,412 posts)
106. You don't Know Hillary mind: Hillary History is a loyal Dem!!
Fri May 1, 2015, 02:25 PM
May 2015

Last edited Fri May 1, 2015, 03:07 PM - Edit history (1)

Bill and Hillary raised taxes on the rich: and drove African
American unemployment to single digits when they were
in office. We don't have guess at Hillary liberal credentials:
if you mean by shifting to right, that she has appeal to
independence, some GOP, yes she does: on one can get
elected with out the majority of Americans. I don't
care for the GOP but they are American too

The Clinton's were successful because they built up the middle class!!

Hillary will sign any bill Dem have enough votes for she is not
ideologue. She like Obama will do what they think is best for
America.: The GOP treat this country like rents, they just
don't care about is future as long as they get their money

Bush crashed the economy, it Regan and GOP policy that have
destroyed this country, not Hillary!




 

Jester Messiah

(4,711 posts)
84. Because when you speak from conviction, you don't have to remember today's spin.
Fri May 1, 2015, 01:10 PM
May 2015

It's like how when you tell the truth, you don't have to remember your lie later.

Buzz cook

(2,474 posts)
111. Is a candidate's relationship with the media a reason to support them?
Fri May 1, 2015, 02:48 PM
May 2015

Heck McCain has sat on the press' laps for years and is on the talking head shows more than just about anyone else. Does that make him more qualified?

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
116. Of course
Fri May 1, 2015, 03:31 PM
May 2015

The entire right wing hate machine is not going after Bernie.

They are hoping and praying he wins the democratic nomination because they know it would be a cakewalk for Cruz, Walker or Bush to beat him.

Hillary is the democrat that puts the fear of God in them.

Expect the softball questions to continue for Bernie.

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
122. Imagine. Returning to the quaint democratic idea
Sat May 2, 2015, 12:59 PM
May 2015

that politicians must be accountable to, even represent, the voters. That they have a duty to lay out a clear policy agenda rather than just glossy pictures and American flags.

Corporate politicians have been working hard to try to eliminate that expectation from voters' minds. They have been subtly training us to view elections as sports events and to let go of any actual expectations of representation from our politicians.

Hell, the last official Democratic Party survey of voters didn't even mention the TPP or other important issues. And the Obama campaign had the gall to REFUSE to disclose his plans on Social Security to voters when asked *directly* about it on the campaign trail.

Bernie is changing all that. Americans are about to be reminded what a real representative political process is supposed to look like. And the contrast with the lying, manipulative, PR-based corporate advertising campaigns we have grown accustomed to is remarkable, indeed.



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