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NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
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First, I think there will be other candidates for you to choose from. napi21 Apr 2015 #1
Long before any of these articles, and as far back as 1991, I was shaking my head at the Clintons. NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #11
I agree she will win Kelvin Mace Apr 2015 #52
David Frum DURHAM D Apr 2015 #2
Excuse me - but you're quoting David fuckin' Frum?!? Former speechwriter for GW Bush?!? scarletwoman Apr 2015 #3
David Frum DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #16
There isn't a Dem candidate that the entire RW propaganda machine WOULDN'T target blm Apr 2015 #4
fuck frum spanone Apr 2015 #5
The damage control had better start soon. Thus far I don't see anyone posting a legitimate defense. NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #6
pffft spanone Apr 2015 #7
. Agschmid Apr 2015 #8
... OilemFirchen Apr 2015 #84
he is a purveyor of crap. massage us some more asshole. pansypoo53219 Apr 2015 #67
written by: David Frum boston bean Apr 2015 #9
This Frum DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #25
There is no shame.. I'm almost embarassed for those who fall for this crap. nt boston bean Apr 2015 #39
Were I a "journalist" with any kind of access, here's what I'd be doing... cherokeeprogressive Apr 2015 #10
I've tried to do that and it never ends up looking good for the fomer Secretary or the Foundation. NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #12
It sure doesn't... Agschmid Apr 2015 #14
LOL DURHAM D Apr 2015 #33
...! KoKo Apr 2015 #13
ROTFLMFAO DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #15
Reaching down to this toady to attack Dems? freshwest Apr 2015 #77
They swift boated John Kerry. The Rethugs will swift boat anyone. If Elizabeth Warren runs, pnwmom Apr 2015 #17
No kidding workinclasszero Apr 2015 #20
Unlike the Clintons, Warren has nothing to hide. NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #24
John Kerry had nothing to hide and everything to brag about. pnwmom Apr 2015 #27
I'm not disagreeing with you per se, but, how do you know Senator Warren has nothing DonViejo Apr 2015 #48
I think she's enough of a threat that any skeletons would have by now been revealed. NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #71
LoL. They don't need any truth. They make shit up. As in Clinton Cash, misterhighwasted Apr 2015 #50
Hillary is incapable of defending herself. Warren would slay them! NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #57
LOL. Warren would be no different than any other. misterhighwasted Apr 2015 #60
David Frum? Really? workinclasszero Apr 2015 #18
Here's another Frum book DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #19
I guess you really like him. How do you feel about MotherJones articles? NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #21
You won't see me endorsing any republican plan to defeat the democratic party in 2016 workinclasszero Apr 2015 #28
We are in primary season. Defend your candidate if you can and I'll support others coming in. NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #32
No, NYC_SKP. I neither like nor cite people who write paeans to George Walker Bush... DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #29
These articles push different things... Agschmid Apr 2015 #30
Exactly, and the other Atlantic article wasn't nearly as subjective as Frum's. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #34
Nope... Agschmid Apr 2015 #35
That's not written by David Frum, is it. scarletwoman Apr 2015 #37
Its hard to believe how gullible people can be workinclasszero Apr 2015 #22
"Thanks for that pic, its perfect!" DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #40
Wow. zappaman Apr 2015 #23
I know, right? Now this right here is the time to learn how to defend this candidate. NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #31
"Oh, and, David Frum is a real case, but he manages to have a career. Go figure! " DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #36
"Romney: Could Secretly Recorded Remarks Help His Campaign?" NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #38
Do you think she will carry the District Of Columbia? DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #41
She might win Arkansas, West Virginia, and Kentucky if the GOP picks a black dude. NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #42
WOW. You are truely a RW troll to continue this Frum RW Bull crap. misterhighwasted Apr 2015 #53
"Truly"? NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #62
pffft. Best you got?? A typo? bwaaahaa misterhighwasted Apr 2015 #63
Well if George W. Bush's spechwriter says so..... nt arely staircase Apr 2015 #26
3rd Article is Better & NOT by Frum: "Hillary's Campaign Is Built on a Shaky Foundation" KoKo Apr 2015 #43
THX- You can have an International Foundation or you can be Secretary of State. You can't have both. NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #44
Chosen one or the other.... KoKo Apr 2015 #45
Put this together with missing emails, private server, WHILE she was SOS and Foundation, well.... NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #47
GTFOOHWTBS JaneyVee Apr 2015 #46
Straight and to the point AuntPatsy Apr 2015 #49
Frum bigtree Apr 2015 #51
Well that was easy. Now sell it to the voters. NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #54
Well, if this fella says so: DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #56
Third time you post that picture. NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #58
Do you like this one better? DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #59
you aint selling this creep here bigtree Apr 2015 #72
Not trying to, but you would do well to imagine what mainstream Americans will make of it. NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #74
Frum is a member in long-standing of the anti-Clinton right-wing noise machine JCMach1 Apr 2015 #55
Post removed Post removed Apr 2015 #64
I can attest that NYC_SKP has no right wing leanings. That I would swear to... DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #65
Thanks very much, DemocratSinceBirth. NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #66
I don't like the Freeper accusations.../NT DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #69
I am puzzled by the 3 - 3 vote resulting in a Hide. DURHAM D Apr 2015 #75
It was 4-3. DirkGently Apr 2015 #80
I don't know how I would have voted but I am on the record... DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #83
Thanks. DURHAM D Apr 2015 #87
I got busy and didn't see the deleted post... JCMach1 Apr 2015 #70
You can see hidden posts... DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #73
Pulled it up, thanks... JCMach1 Apr 2015 #88
I see a lot of garbage flying but I don't see any discrediting of her experience and the afvocating Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #61
Posting David Frum? Seriously? Bluenorthwest Apr 2015 #68
David Fucking Frum? This does not reflect well on you. emulatorloo Apr 2015 #76
Y'all need to gear up for more of that. The Atlantic ain't The Blaze. Come'on now, don't shoot me! NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #78
You need to stop digging Andy823 Apr 2015 #82
that's in some ways worse... Frum is alas Frum JCMach1 Apr 2015 #89
David Frum? Really? MineralMan Apr 2015 #79
i think vadermike Apr 2015 #81
I guess he is a step up from your last source dsc Apr 2015 #85
Your concern is duly noted... joeybee12 Apr 2015 #86
That's a tad bit harsh...I'm trying to use gentle persuasion on him DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #90
FRUM's better than most wingnuts, Canadian, better than BROOKS n/t UTUSN Apr 2015 #91
Thank you, good Sir. With your kind remark I think I'll kill this thread on a high note. NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #92
This thread is now closed for business. Please look for my other fine articles like this one: NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #93

napi21

(45,806 posts)
1. First, I think there will be other candidates for you to choose from.
Sun Apr 26, 2015, 01:58 PM
Apr 2015

There will be a Dem primary. Second, I think Hillary will win that primary and be our candidate. Third, SHE WILL WIN!

It amazes me that some many Dems are responding to the media hype about Hillary. It doesn't matter WHO our candidate is, the opposition & the Media will try to paint them with corruption. left wing, big gov't loving, big spending, and every other run of the mill problem they always have used. Remember what they did to Kerry. Dukakis, Gore, etc. This crap goes back to Truman, and probably before that. It's important that WE do the same in digging up dirt on the Pub candidates, and it should be a lot easier to find on them and it will be true too!

It's politics and it's always dirty pool.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
11. Long before any of these articles, and as far back as 1991, I was shaking my head at the Clintons.
Sun Apr 26, 2015, 02:23 PM
Apr 2015

Between Ricky Ray Rector's execution at Bill's insistence, to garner favor in his run, to Hillary's position on the board of Union Killing Walmart, I knew they weren't one of us.

We could have chosen Bill Bradley, Jesse Jackson, Dick Gephardt, Al Gore, Jay Rockefeller, Mario Cuomo, Douglas Wilder, Bob Kerrey, Tom Harkin, Paul Tsongas, or Jerry Brown.

And we had to go with Clinton, what a mistake that was.

If you're a progressive, that is.

 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
52. I agree she will win
Sun Apr 26, 2015, 04:27 PM
Apr 2015

and we will lose.

DURHAM D

(32,611 posts)
2. David Frum
Sun Apr 26, 2015, 01:58 PM
Apr 2015

scarletwoman

(31,893 posts)
3. Excuse me - but you're quoting David fuckin' Frum?!? Former speechwriter for GW Bush?!?
Sun Apr 26, 2015, 01:59 PM
Apr 2015

I'm no fan of Hillary Clinton, but posting an attack article written by a Republican operative is way over the line, imho.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
16. David Frum
Sun Apr 26, 2015, 02:29 PM
Apr 2015

blm

(113,082 posts)
4. There isn't a Dem candidate that the entire RW propaganda machine WOULDN'T target
Sun Apr 26, 2015, 02:01 PM
Apr 2015

with their Gish Gallop attacks. They know exactly how to manipulate even the left media to bend to their tactic. And I say this as a longtime critic of Clintons who knows the difference between substantive observations and Gish Gallop being employed to defend the BS charges being sold as Clinton Cash.

If we have become conditioned to fold whenever this attack is used then we may as well give up and let fascism ride the GOP's express train. At least when Dems control at least some of DC the train to fascism is forced to slow down to local speed.

spanone

(135,857 posts)
5. fuck frum
Sun Apr 26, 2015, 02:03 PM
Apr 2015
 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
6. The damage control had better start soon. Thus far I don't see anyone posting a legitimate defense.
Sun Apr 26, 2015, 02:09 PM
Apr 2015

She ain't worth it, but if somebody doesn't successfully defend her carelessness, it will be a disaster.

spanone

(135,857 posts)
7. pffft
Sun Apr 26, 2015, 02:10 PM
Apr 2015

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
8. .
Sun Apr 26, 2015, 02:14 PM
Apr 2015

OilemFirchen

(7,143 posts)
84. ...
Sun Apr 26, 2015, 08:03 PM
Apr 2015

NYC_SKP (66,965 posts)

Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Sun Apr 26, 2015, 12:18 PM

It doesn't matter one bit if the author lied.

pansypoo53219

(20,987 posts)
67. he is a purveyor of crap. massage us some more asshole.
Sun Apr 26, 2015, 05:24 PM
Apr 2015

boston bean

(36,223 posts)
9. written by: David Frum
Sun Apr 26, 2015, 02:16 PM
Apr 2015
David J. Frum (/ˈfrʌm/; born June 30, 1960) is a neoconservative[3] Canadian-American political commentator. A speechwriter for President George W. Bush


I stopped reading after the first sentence.. but here is a link if people need to see it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Frum

boston bean

(36,223 posts)
39. There is no shame.. I'm almost embarassed for those who fall for this crap. nt
Sun Apr 26, 2015, 03:07 PM
Apr 2015
 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
10. Were I a "journalist" with any kind of access, here's what I'd be doing...
Sun Apr 26, 2015, 02:17 PM
Apr 2015

I'd take a list of names/entities involved in this stinky mess and look deeply into their history of charitable donations. I'd be asking questions like:

How much have they given to charity in the past, and what business deals were in the works before, during, and after their donations?

Is there even the slightest suspicion their past charitable donations benefited their businesses/bank accounts/pocketbooks in any way?

How do the amounts of their previous donations compare with what they donated to the Clinton Foundation?

Partisan journalism being what it is all about today though makes what I'd do a mere pipe dream.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
12. I've tried to do that and it never ends up looking good for the fomer Secretary or the Foundation.
Sun Apr 26, 2015, 02:25 PM
Apr 2015

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
14. It sure doesn't...
Sun Apr 26, 2015, 02:28 PM
Apr 2015

DURHAM D

(32,611 posts)
33. LOL
Sun Apr 26, 2015, 02:56 PM
Apr 2015

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
13. ...!
Sun Apr 26, 2015, 02:27 PM
Apr 2015

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
15. ROTFLMFAO
Sun Apr 26, 2015, 02:29 PM
Apr 2015

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
77. Reaching down to this toady to attack Dems?
Sun Apr 26, 2015, 06:55 PM
Apr 2015


Geeze, we knew he was a walking disaster area in Texas, eviscerating social services for his buddies, corrupt from the get-go. Halliburtion and Kellogg were already screwing things up for years their with their construction projects, but you know, they got first dibs on 'reconstructing' Iraq. Mainly to their own pockets.

From Jeb's coordinated, racist attack on the citizens of Florida, see where Greg Palast detailed it:

http://www.documentary-film.net/search/video-listings.php?e=118

And further proof it was racist:

Voters Barred from Voting. In this category we find a combination of incompetence and trickery that stops voters from pulling the lever in the first place. There’s the purge of "felon" voters that continues to eliminate thousands whose only crime is VWB - Voting While Black. It includes subtle games like eliminating polling stations in selected districts, creating impossible lines. No one can pretend to calculate a hard number for all votes lost this way any more than you can find every bullet fragment in a mutilated body. But it’s a safe bet that the numbers reach into the hundreds of thousands of voters locked out of the voting booth.

http://www.gregpalast.com/recipe-for-a-cooked-election/

And the Brooks Brothers' Riot:



Included in the list pictured there, and all illegal by federal and sent there by Tom Delay to stop the lawful process of the election:

1. Tom PYLE, office of House Majority Whip Tom DELAY (R-TX)
2. Garry MALPHRUS, Majority Chief counsel
3. Rory COOPER, staff member, Nat’l Republican Congressional Committee
4. Kevin SMITH, former House Republican Conference Analyst
5. Steven BRODY, Former Aide to Sen. Fred D. THOMPSON (R-TN)
6. Matt SCHLAPP, BUSH Campaign Staff, Austin
7. Roger MORSE, Aide to Rep. Van HILLARY (R-TN)
8. Duane GIBSON, Aide to Chairman Don YOUNG (R-AK)
9. Chuck ROYAL, Ass’t to Rep. Jim DeMINT (R-SC)
10. Layna McCONKEY, Former legislative ass’t to former Rep. Jim Ross LIGHTFOOT (R-IA)


Read the whole thing:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023021978

And to Cheney's secret Energy Summit where he and his oil buddies tlikely planned the Iraq War, to Little Boots talking about 'new product lines introduced in September' as a euphemism for the war they had planned:



http://www.gregpalast.com/how-bush-won-the-war-in-iraq-really/

The remaining media carried one scandal after another daily before September 11th, such as the lethal scandal of their pals at ENRON, a real theft of pensions, jobs and lives of vulnerable people in several states. While they laughed their asses off. Just take a look at:

Enron: The Smartest Guys in the Room:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enron:_The_Smartest_Guys_in_the_Room

There are so many other examples of bad actions, but some still voted for this man in 2000 and 2004! They were either clueless then, and likely clueless now, or saw a way to profit like certain individuals did for years.

Yuk it up at the 5:00 mark! Hilarious!




So Frum didn't see a problem?

No, of course not. Nothing about it was illegitmate to him. Up there near the seat of power, working for his GOP masters, Frum saw nothing wrong with the Voting Rights Act being violated openly in 2000 when it was still in force, and likely isn't a 'progressive' in any other matter.

His complaints on Republicans are mild rebukes. As if to say to Hitler:

'Look pal, you're doing it wrong. Make sure no one finds out what you did. That's all you gotta do. Now carry on with the program.'

I used to believe DU wouldn't sink so low as to use GOP and RW sources in an attempt to bury a Democrat, or do opposition research to help Republicans, yet offer nothing in the way of a replacement hitter.

Yet they are, and I believe DU will be RF central through 2016. Or course if one hasn't dealt with real harassment and prejudice and have nothing to lose, those other folks don't mean anything. I've come to believe that.

pnwmom

(108,990 posts)
17. They swift boated John Kerry. The Rethugs will swift boat anyone. If Elizabeth Warren runs,
Sun Apr 26, 2015, 02:32 PM
Apr 2015

they will crucify her. And unlike the Clintons, she's never faced anything like that.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
20. No kidding
Sun Apr 26, 2015, 02:40 PM
Apr 2015

If Senator Warren ran or Bernie Sanders, the right wing slime machine would crucify them!

What would the Hillary haters do then? Put their tails between their legs and sulk away like they are doing now with Hillary?

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
24. Unlike the Clintons, Warren has nothing to hide.
Sun Apr 26, 2015, 02:44 PM
Apr 2015

The only thing they have is their petty complaint about her Native American ancestry.

pnwmom

(108,990 posts)
27. John Kerry had nothing to hide and everything to brag about.
Sun Apr 26, 2015, 02:46 PM
Apr 2015

They took his sterling war record and distorted it beyond recognition.

They don't have any regard for the truth, so it doesn't matter in the least that Warren has nothing to hide.

DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
48. I'm not disagreeing with you per se, but, how do you know Senator Warren has nothing
Sun Apr 26, 2015, 03:53 PM
Apr 2015

to hide?

Do you think for one minute the Republicans won't make an issue of the fact she's a member of the 1%? And question how she got it? Of course, the questions will be followed by allegations of how she earned her money too.

Senator Elizabeth Warren fights for middle- and working-class Americans. But she's part of the Top 1%.

Warren, the Harvard bankruptcy law professor elected to the Senate in 2012, is worth between $3.7 million and $10 million.

That's not including the three-story Victorian home in Cambridge, Mass., that she owns with her husband and fellow Harvard law professor, Bruce Mann. It's now assessed at $1.9 million, according to city property records.

http://money.cnn.com/2015/01/08/news/economy/elizabeth-warren-wealth/
 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
71. I think she's enough of a threat that any skeletons would have by now been revealed.
Sun Apr 26, 2015, 05:52 PM
Apr 2015

But maybe not, maybe they're holding back.

Her household is worth $3.7M compared to the Clintons $135M, that's quite a difference, 50:1

A $1.9M home for two very successful people isn't too crazy in this age and this market.

misterhighwasted

(9,148 posts)
50. LoL. They don't need any truth. They make shit up. As in Clinton Cash,
Sun Apr 26, 2015, 04:16 PM
Apr 2015

They would take the years Warren was a Republican and twist it into an attack. They could take Jesus himself & villify his words if it meant leading the dumb & blind to cast votes for the RW rather than Jesus Christ.
Understand?

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
57. Hillary is incapable of defending herself. Warren would slay them!
Sun Apr 26, 2015, 04:31 PM
Apr 2015

misterhighwasted

(9,148 posts)
60. LOL. Warren would be no different than any other.
Sun Apr 26, 2015, 04:42 PM
Apr 2015

She would be destroyed.
And the stupid thing is, people would actually start believing the lies they tell.

They do it to anyone that threatens their 2016 dream of total govt control.
Warren, as strong as she is, would be treated no dofferent by the RW & the media as any other threat.
Give it up.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
18. David Frum? Really?
Sun Apr 26, 2015, 02:37 PM
Apr 2015

Really, really? WOW!

What a great idea! Let republicans pick the Democratic candidate!

What a f***in joke! So obviously the republicans are panicking over having to face Hillary in 2016 because they know she will win.

So in their great concern to see the democratic party do the right thing they suggest we dump her.

And of course all the Hillary hating Democrats are going to follow right along like good little puppies.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
19. Here's another Frum book
Sun Apr 26, 2015, 02:38 PM
Apr 2015
 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
21. I guess you really like him. How do you feel about MotherJones articles?
Sun Apr 26, 2015, 02:42 PM
Apr 2015
 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
28. You won't see me endorsing any republican plan to defeat the democratic party in 2016
Sun Apr 26, 2015, 02:49 PM
Apr 2015

And if motherjones is working on the side for President Cruz/Walker/Hackabee they can go straight to hell, the sooner the better!

Hillary for all her faults would be one million times better as President than any teahaddist republican thats running to be the Pope of America!

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
32. We are in primary season. Defend your candidate if you can and I'll support others coming in.
Sun Apr 26, 2015, 02:54 PM
Apr 2015

For now, we need to encourage them to run and we need to vet any who have announced.

Hillary has announced and now she's being vetted.

This is far from over.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
29. No, NYC_SKP. I neither like nor cite people who write paeans to George Walker Bush...
Sun Apr 26, 2015, 02:51 PM
Apr 2015

No, NYC_SKP, I neither like nor cite people who write paeans to George Walker Bush as a credible source:





nor will I rely on his advice when I cast my vote.


Though I do admire your persistence.


DemocratSinceBirth

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
30. These articles push different things...
Sun Apr 26, 2015, 02:51 PM
Apr 2015

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
34. Exactly, and the other Atlantic article wasn't nearly as subjective as Frum's.
Sun Apr 26, 2015, 02:56 PM
Apr 2015

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
35. Nope...
Sun Apr 26, 2015, 02:57 PM
Apr 2015

but those goal posts sure do move around a lot.

scarletwoman

(31,893 posts)
37. That's not written by David Frum, is it.
Sun Apr 26, 2015, 03:01 PM
Apr 2015

I have no problems with raising questions about HRC, I DO have a problem with citing right-wingers like David Frum in order to do so.

You're doing no favors for those of us who would like to see other Dems in the presidential race by citing a piece written by a conservative in support of your argument. It simply de-legitimizes your argument. I'm embarrassed for you that you can't seem to see that.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
22. Its hard to believe how gullible people can be
Sun Apr 26, 2015, 02:43 PM
Apr 2015

I guess the blind Hillary hate just takes over after awhile and all reason flies right out the window.

Thanks for that pic, its perfect!

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
40. "Thanks for that pic, its perfect!"
Sun Apr 26, 2015, 03:08 PM
Apr 2015

This one is infinitely better

zappaman

(20,606 posts)
23. Wow.
Sun Apr 26, 2015, 02:43 PM
Apr 2015
 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
31. I know, right? Now this right here is the time to learn how to defend this candidate.
Sun Apr 26, 2015, 02:52 PM
Apr 2015

And it can't be done, the only defense is that Frum in a poopie pants.



That's easy.

Hillary's supporters have a harder time arguing with MotherJones.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026565578



Oh, and, David Frum is a real case, but he manages to have a career. Go figure!

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
36. "Oh, and, David Frum is a real case, but he manages to have a career. Go figure! "
Sun Apr 26, 2015, 02:59 PM
Apr 2015

So does Newt Gingrich:






And that's supposed to be dispositive of exactly what?

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
38. "Romney: Could Secretly Recorded Remarks Help His Campaign?"
Sun Apr 26, 2015, 03:06 PM
Apr 2015

Frum makes Newt look brilliant.

It doesn't change the problem that faces Ms. Clinton.

90-95% of the electorate won't want a person who can't stay on message and who can't defend against her gaffs and RW attacks.

It's easy enough for some on the left to like here, not too hard for her to win the primary, too soon to tell.

But in the General Election when she has to win over a majority of middle Americans, left right and center, it'll be a wipeout.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
41. Do you think she will carry the District Of Columbia?
Sun Apr 26, 2015, 03:10 PM
Apr 2015

But in the General Election when she has to win over a majority of middle Americans, left right and center, it'll be a wipeout.





 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
42. She might win Arkansas, West Virginia, and Kentucky if the GOP picks a black dude.
Sun Apr 26, 2015, 03:21 PM
Apr 2015


And if they pick Luther, the anger translator, she won't win anything.







misterhighwasted

(9,148 posts)
53. WOW. You are truely a RW troll to continue this Frum RW Bull crap.
Sun Apr 26, 2015, 04:27 PM
Apr 2015

Why are you so concerned about this fake book damaging Hillary?

You want nothing more than the RW Fascists to have 2016. That's my opinion of your opinion.
I call Bull Shit on your Frum promotion as valid in any way.
Why do you promote the slightest bit of it as some truth ?
Clearly you are not really concerned about Hillary Clinton.

So grab a handful of the RW Frum lies and bring it here as if its truth.
WADDA BUNCH OF BULL CRAP!
P.U. Stinks today

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
62. "Truly"?
Sun Apr 26, 2015, 04:49 PM
Apr 2015

misterhighwasted

(9,148 posts)
63. pffft. Best you got?? A typo? bwaaahaa
Sun Apr 26, 2015, 05:04 PM
Apr 2015

Haaa.
Apparently you'd rather not discuss your promoting Frum lies on DU as something valid.

Wow. That stink's drifting higher than a PU Troll.
Frum? REALLY??
P.U.

arely staircase

(12,482 posts)
26. Well if George W. Bush's spechwriter says so..... nt
Sun Apr 26, 2015, 02:45 PM
Apr 2015

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
43. 3rd Article is Better & NOT by Frum: "Hillary's Campaign Is Built on a Shaky Foundation"
Sun Apr 26, 2015, 03:26 PM
Apr 2015

Are conflicts of interest inevitable when the Clintons are involved?

The problem here isn't that the Clinton Foundation wasn't following the rules. As with the email controversy, where there's evidence that the letter (though not the spirit) of public-records laws was followed, the problem here is with the rules themselves. It's hard to imagine any guideline that could avoid any suggestion that foreign actors were trying to influence Hillary Clinton, but also allow the Clinton Foundation to continue supporting its work. How many global donors have no connection to a foreign government?

Yet dissolving a huge charitable organization for a short stint as secretary of state doesn't seem practical either. (The fate of the foundation if Hillary Clinton is elected president is a different and more interesting topic for speculation.) Bill Clinton's post-presidency was unique from the start. As James Fallows noted in the magazine in 2003, he was the youngest ex-president since Theodore Roosevelt (and he's already outlived TR by eight years), so he had an unparalleled chance to create a post-presidential legacy. His connections to foreign leaders and his ability to raise money meant he could achieve more around the world than any predecessor and than most charitable organizations. As long as Hillary Clinton remains an aspiring or active public servant, however, there will be conflict-of-interest questions.

What has been clear, or should have been clear, since Clinton's rise to the top of the 2016 field, is that such controversies are what you get with the Clintons—take it or leave it. Hillary Clinton offers a depth of relationships with foreign leaders and a savvy that a Washington newcomer like Barack Obama (or Scott Walker) couldn't hope to bring to the White House; but you might also get uncomfortable donations. Often enough, there's no proof of serious malfeasance, either, just troubling questions. Both the emails and the donations fit that model. (One way to assess whether there was any tit-for-tat involving the foundation and the State Department would be if you could look at Hillary Clinton's emails while she was secretary, which ... right.)

Predictability might be Clinton's greatest asset. It's tough to find someone who doesn't already have an opinion about her. Those inclined to distrust the Clinton family see this as further proof of what they already believed, and those who think the media and a vast right-wing conspiracy are out to get the Clintons will likewise find confirmation of their views. (Early polls may be irrelevant, but a CNN survey this week found her well out ahead of the Republican field.) The election will be won among the small number of voters who might still be swayed—though how much effect Clinton Foundation donations will have on that is impossible to tell.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/03/hillarys-campaign-is-built-on-a-shaky-foundation/388324/
 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
44. THX- You can have an International Foundation or you can be Secretary of State. You can't have both.
Sun Apr 26, 2015, 03:33 PM
Apr 2015

Bill+Hillary should probably have chosen one or the other:

A former president with awesome partner and a major Foundation.

Or A former president and wife who is SOS and then runs for president, pass the Foundation over to new management.

But all of these? Jesus, talk about ambitious/greedy.

What. A. Mess.

On the bright side, instead of her winning the primary and then losing to the GOP, a near certainty, contenders are beginning to step up.



KoKo

(84,711 posts)
45. Chosen one or the other....
Sun Apr 26, 2015, 03:43 PM
Apr 2015

I think that's what this is about. Question of integrity or judgement with the Clintons. And, I did think the paragraph I bolded brings some perspective with how what they have done since Bill left office have caused them to get involved in tentacles that we ALL should be very worried about it. In their glorified lifestyle they've lost perspective of what Average Americans could see as conflicts of interest.

But, then, the average American has seen Wall Street Bankers and Hedge Funders get off with hand tap fines for gross Criminality. So, the AA might just be immune from questions that the more informed of us who have a conscience might feel constitutes "conflict of interest" these days. Sadly, there's that question. Which is why we need a Dem Primary with other participants.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
47. Put this together with missing emails, private server, WHILE she was SOS and Foundation, well....
Sun Apr 26, 2015, 03:45 PM
Apr 2015

It's a perfect storm.

A perfect shitstorm.

The bright side, someone better to take her place.

Act soon!

 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
46. GTFOOHWTBS
Sun Apr 26, 2015, 03:45 PM
Apr 2015

AuntPatsy

(9,904 posts)
49. Straight and to the point
Sun Apr 26, 2015, 03:58 PM
Apr 2015

bigtree

(86,005 posts)
51. Frum
Sun Apr 26, 2015, 04:21 PM
Apr 2015

...pass.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
54. Well that was easy. Now sell it to the voters.
Sun Apr 26, 2015, 04:27 PM
Apr 2015

It can't be done.
She's toast

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
56. Well, if this fella says so:
Sun Apr 26, 2015, 04:29 PM
Apr 2015




It must be so.
 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
58. Third time you post that picture.
Sun Apr 26, 2015, 04:34 PM
Apr 2015

But Hillary is still in hot water.

Try something else, maybe?

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
59. Do you like this one better?
Sun Apr 26, 2015, 04:37 PM
Apr 2015

bigtree

(86,005 posts)
72. you aint selling this creep here
Sun Apr 26, 2015, 06:11 PM
Apr 2015
 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
74. Not trying to, but you would do well to imagine what mainstream Americans will make of it.
Sun Apr 26, 2015, 06:22 PM
Apr 2015

Want to keep the Whitehouse?

Find a better candidate.

JCMach1

(27,566 posts)
55. Frum is a member in long-standing of the anti-Clinton right-wing noise machine
Sun Apr 26, 2015, 04:28 PM
Apr 2015

We need to start drawing a firm line here on DU about the 'noise' and non-sense the right-wing is feeding the media and legitimate issues when it comes to Sec. Clinton.

Response to JCMach1 (Reply #55)

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
65. I can attest that NYC_SKP has no right wing leanings. That I would swear to...
Sun Apr 26, 2015, 05:15 PM
Apr 2015

The poor lad or lass is just seriously misguided.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
66. Thanks very much, DemocratSinceBirth.
Sun Apr 26, 2015, 05:23 PM
Apr 2015

People with longer histories on this board know this to be true.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
69. I don't like the Freeper accusations.../NT
Sun Apr 26, 2015, 05:29 PM
Apr 2015

DURHAM D

(32,611 posts)
75. I am puzzled by the 3 - 3 vote resulting in a Hide.
Sun Apr 26, 2015, 06:29 PM
Apr 2015

Did we have a rule change?

DirkGently

(12,151 posts)
80. It was 4-3.
Sun Apr 26, 2015, 07:37 PM
Apr 2015
JURY RESULTS

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sun Apr 26, 2015, 05:39 PM, and the Jury voted 4-3 to HIDE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Maybe this is over the top but the OP itself is from a highly questionable source. I'd like to see the whole thread trashed.
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Strongly agree with the alerter.
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: NYC_SKP a freeper? Not a chance.
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Yes, please settle down, Clinton-istas. Trying to squash dissent with name-calling and censorship doesn't work, and just makes you look stupid. No one is a freeper because you think it's your job to force everyone onto Team Clinton with a cattle prod.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
83. I don't know how I would have voted but I am on the record...
Sun Apr 26, 2015, 08:02 PM
Apr 2015

I don't know how I would have voted but I am on the record as saying NYC___SKP is not a right winger...But does anybody see the irony in this:


Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT Explanation: Yes, please settle down, Clinton-istas. Trying to squash dissent with name-calling and censorship doesn't work, and just makes you look stupid. No one is a freeper because you think it's your job to force everyone onto Team Clinton with a cattle prod.


The person votes to hide a post while decrying censorship.



DURHAM D

(32,611 posts)
87. Thanks.
Sun Apr 26, 2015, 08:06 PM
Apr 2015

When you drop down the message it says 3 - 3.

I don't think I have ever seen that before. Someone call Elad.

JCMach1

(27,566 posts)
70. I got busy and didn't see the deleted post...
Sun Apr 26, 2015, 05:45 PM
Apr 2015

ummmmmmmm...

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
73. You can see hidden posts...
Sun Apr 26, 2015, 06:18 PM
Apr 2015

I subscribe to Hanlon's Razor; never attribute to malice that which can best be attributed to incompetence...



JCMach1

(27,566 posts)
88. Pulled it up, thanks...
Sun Apr 26, 2015, 08:42 PM
Apr 2015

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
61. I see a lot of garbage flying but I don't see any discrediting of her experience and the afvocating
Sun Apr 26, 2015, 04:43 PM
Apr 2015

Which she has been working on for years.

Get your candidate out and running.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
68. Posting David Frum? Seriously?
Sun Apr 26, 2015, 05:25 PM
Apr 2015

I mean, holy fuck. This explains much.

emulatorloo

(44,164 posts)
76. David Fucking Frum? This does not reflect well on you.
Sun Apr 26, 2015, 06:55 PM
Apr 2015

Clinton Cash book has already been discredited, and David Frum's a right-wing hack.

I'm not crazy about HRC, but I have very low tolerance for this kind of Swiftboating.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
78. Y'all need to gear up for more of that. The Atlantic ain't The Blaze. Come'on now, don't shoot me!
Sun Apr 26, 2015, 07:16 PM
Apr 2015

There's no swiftboating, which was based entirely on lies.

Hillary has baggage, she's weak, and we should look at the whole picture and make informed decisions.

Andy823

(11,495 posts)
82. You need to stop digging
Sun Apr 26, 2015, 07:39 PM
Apr 2015

It only gets worse the more you dig that hole, best let it go and admit it was a bad choice to post something from Frum.

JCMach1

(27,566 posts)
89. that's in some ways worse... Frum is alas Frum
Sun Apr 26, 2015, 08:44 PM
Apr 2015

The media is biting on every little piece of noise about Sen. Clinton even more legit media outlets.

MineralMan

(146,324 posts)
79. David Frum? Really?
Sun Apr 26, 2015, 07:32 PM
Apr 2015

You're quoting something from a GWB acolyte on DU? Who's next? Will we hear from Rush in your next post? Feh!

vadermike

(1,416 posts)
81. i think
Sun Apr 26, 2015, 07:39 PM
Apr 2015

I think the OP is worried that this "scandal" will sink her and she is already toasted and we need someone new.. in defense of the OP... i am a Hillary Supporter by the way.. i don't know.. I personally think this whole thing is garbage and it is very early with most of it already being debunked by ABC news. NBC etc and especially to come out now.. meh.. if this had come out in August we'd be screwed IMO.. but the media cycle will run its course..as with everything.. actually it could be said we were in more hot water when the President had the Jeremeiah Wright business.. that was pretty inflammataory stuff.. but we survived...People want to know what you can do for them.. taxes, wages etc.. this kind of stuff is beltway... although i do think it is good that alot of the surrogates are coming out fighting this stuff right away.. unlike Kerry who allowed himself to be swiftboated and they waited like 3 weeks to address it,,,, !

dsc

(52,166 posts)
85. I guess he is a step up from your last source
Sun Apr 26, 2015, 08:04 PM
Apr 2015

the guy who gave us the wrong Loretta Lynch. Maybe in a few more days you might actually be able to find someone who isn't a right wing hack to quote. Hope springs eternal.

 

joeybee12

(56,177 posts)
86. Your concern is duly noted...
Sun Apr 26, 2015, 08:05 PM
Apr 2015

And it's now being ignored...you have really gone off the deep end...you are Exhibit A in irrational hate towards all things Clinton...enjoy your life.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
90. That's a tad bit harsh...I'm trying to use gentle persuasion on him
Sun Apr 26, 2015, 08:46 PM
Apr 2015

NT

UTUSN

(70,725 posts)
91. FRUM's better than most wingnuts, Canadian, better than BROOKS n/t
Sun Apr 26, 2015, 09:40 PM
Apr 2015
 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
92. Thank you, good Sir. With your kind remark I think I'll kill this thread on a high note.
Sun Apr 26, 2015, 10:04 PM
Apr 2015

I'm not a big student on whom is a poopy head, I looked of articles, thought The Atlantic was not going to explode heads but ah well, I'm not so bright.

Please visit this other story, that should be enjoyable but is getting no love.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026572902 Say hello over there and I'll write back!

And, take care!

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
93. This thread is now closed for business. Please look for my other fine articles like this one:
Sun Apr 26, 2015, 10:06 PM
Apr 2015
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026572902



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The Atlantic: The Clash Over Clinton's Cash—And Why it Matters

Call me a concern troll, but this is what we're facing.

-- Appearance of conflict between serving as SOS and running a Foundation that gets donations from sensitive "players" in sensitive nations.
-- Not reporting these as requested by the Potus.
-- And lost or deleted emails that we do or don't know were associated with any of these things.

There doesn't have to have been any actual quid pro quo for it to look really careless at least, and scandalous.

We Democrats really need to think long and hard about whether she can win, and whether or not we're well served ignoring alternative candidates.
I happen to feel that she's not the best choice and, further, I think she'll lose the general election if she wins the primary.

The Clash Over Clinton's Cash—And Why it Matters
If the whiff of corruption and deceit linger about the Clinton candidacy past election day, is she really the candidate that Democrats want in 2016?

David Frum Apr 25, 2015

Today was the latest installment of the never-ending Clinton scandal saga, but it won’t be the last. Yet in some ways, the specifics are a distraction. The sale of access was designed into the post-2001 Clinton family finances from the start. Probably nobody will ever prove that this quid led to that quo … but there’s about a quarter-billion-dollar of quid heaped in plain sight and an equally impressive pile of quo, and it’s all been visible for years to anyone who cared to notice. As Jonathan Chait, who is no right-wing noise-machine operator, complained: “The Clintons have been disorganized and greedy.”

“All of this amounts to diddly-squat,” pronounced long-time Clinton associate James Carville when news broke that Hillary Clinton had erased huge numbers of emails. That may not be true: If any of the conduct in question proves illegal, destroying relevant records may also have run afoul of the law.

But Carville’s dismissal is right as a matter of politics. Scandals, even quite bad ones, tend not to matter as much as they used to, unless the person at the center is sentenced to prison. The impulse to rally to the team is strong, and this impulse has been used shrewdly by the Clinton family over the course of their long, ethically challenged career. They will try to exploit that impulse again now.

~snip~

It’s not trolling if it’s true, and nothing is more true in presidential politics right now than this: The whiff of corruption and deceit will linger about the Clinton candidacy to voting day—and waft through the corridors of a Clinton presidency even if the greater potential strength of the Democratic presidential coalition overcomes the bad odor around its candidate. Yet politics won’t stop on the first Tuesday of November 2016. The truths exposed about the Clinton candidacy will shape and even define a Clinton presidency. That should matter as much to those who hope for a popular and effective Democratic administration after 2016 as to those who hope to prevent one.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/04/the-clash-over-clintons-cashand-why-it-matters/391466/


Related:

The Atlantic "A Quick Guide to the Questions About Clinton Cash"

The Atlantic: Hillary's Campaign Is Built on a Shaky Foundation


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