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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsHillary's VP pick will decide the election. The only person that I believe she can
go without hurting her candidacy is Joe Biden.
MADem
(135,425 posts)I think Castro is far more likely--not Fidel or Raul, either.
Historic NY
(37,452 posts)a younger comeupper Democrat.
merrily
(45,251 posts)madokie
(51,076 posts)Julian and or Joaquin Castro, either would be fine by me. Julian and Joaquin would be great as a President and Vice President together at the same time.
I really really like these brothers and the image of America they bring to the table. Awesome family, they and Mom.
merrily
(45,251 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)DNC in English and Spanish!
Republican signs:
Communist Take Over Imminent!
Alternate Faux Meme:
Hillary and Barack liaison revealed! Bill and Michelle file for divorce as their children are devastated! Obama to become First Husband!
MADem
(135,425 posts)That "fine romance" at the end of your post is funny as hell! But you'd need to take care of Mrs. O--have her run off with Jimmy Fallon, or something! Then have Fallon's wife hook up with Bill (though I don't know if she'd be interested in making his oatmeal into old age...).
This sign is fine:
Looks ready for the print shop, to me!
Stellar
(5,644 posts)who is Castro? I've only heard his name once and that was when Obama was running for his second term. And that's all I know about him.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)Julián Castro's DNC Keynote Speech - Elections 2012
Published on Sep 4, 2012
Mayor Julián Castro of San Antonio delivered the keynote speech Tuesday night at the 2012 Democratic National Convention, the same speech that propelled then-Senator Barack Obama to fame in 2004.
Many more videos of Julián and his twin brother, Joaquin, now a Congressman:
Julián:
Joaquin:
Joaquin with a GOPer:
Both brothers:
Bonus video of Julian @Young Democrats of America:
YDA keynote speaker Mayor Julian Castro
I really, really want to see more of twins! And here is more:
Texas Monthly Features San Antonio's own Congressman Joaquin Castro and Mayor Julian Castro
Hope these give a view of what he is about. Obama appointed Julian to head HUD. Personally, I adore him and his family story.
Stellar
(5,644 posts)I'll watch them all.
craigmatic
(4,510 posts)EL34x4
(2,003 posts)But I don't know that Colorado wants to give him up.
EL34x4
(2,003 posts)Coloradans (of which I am a native, despite being forced by Uncle Sam to make Florida my home) love their beer-brewing governor. He might swing some of the libertarian-leaning younger voters.
Clinton/Hickenlooper. Not a bad combo at all. I like it.
still_one
(92,321 posts)only joking
tracks29
(98 posts)Keep her in the Senate. VP would be a convenient way to keep her quiet.
misterhighwasted
(9,148 posts)But we need a Masterful Team to bring the voters out, in order to also vote out the GOPteabillies in Congress & Senate and change the balance there.
With that balance tipped to the Dems once again, Warren can easily be nominated to the US Supreme Court where she can justly care for America.
That's how I see the process playing out to best put the GOPTeaP back in a corner.
Oh ya, and give the remarkable Statesman, Senator Bernie Sanders a place tailor made for him.
Backwoodsrider
(764 posts)are getting ready to get into politics and I hope those 10 ladies cause 10 more...
djean111
(14,255 posts)I will be happily astonished if Hillary does not appoint folks like Larry Summers and Rahm Emanuel to run things in the Third Way manner.
Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)through the same knothole.
I am very bothered by how many people, and not just here on DU, don't understand how totally retro Hillary Clinton is. If she is elected, we won't have a single new person in the upper levels of government, just many of those who were in husband Bill's circle, and many of those who are thoroughly in the pockets of big banks. I wouldn't put it past her to appoint a Koch brother as head of the Fed, and try to spin it as finding a common ground with them.
AndreaCG
(2,331 posts)Isn't she 66? The preference is for those in their early 50s. I believe Elena Kagan was 50 when appointed. She will be 55 this month in any case.
djean111
(14,255 posts)don't take it seriously at all. The Third Way and the banks have made it publicly and perfectly clear that they want Warren to sit down and shut up - do I think a hypothetical corporate president would appoint her to anything at all? Haha! No.
merrily
(45,251 posts)YOHABLO
(7,358 posts)femmocrat
(28,394 posts)If Clinton does receive the nomination (which looks likely right now), I think O'Malley would be a good choice for VP. JMO
I just found this positive piece on him: http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/presidential-campaign/237506-why-americans-should-consider-omalley-for-president
elleng
(131,041 posts)Thanks.
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)tkmorris
(11,138 posts)We ain't losing Maryland. What does he bring to the table?
calimary
(81,410 posts)We invite tons of trouble when we leave a statehouse unguarded.
Now one of the Castro brothers ... THAT is interesting! Would also put them on the fast track to the White House in their own right since the VP position is usually "heir-apparent" stuff.
Besides , it'd be deviously delicious to cut in front of the "inevitable" george p bush and deny him "first Latino" status.
I kinda LIKE how it's the Dems who break the ice. WE produced the first female on the big ticket (Mondale's VP nominee Geraldine Ferraro). WE produced the first viable female candidate in the primaries (Hillary) and WE produced the first AfricanAmerican PRESIDENT. This is OUR territory. NOT the bad guys'.
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)ohnoyoudidnt
(1,858 posts)I'm sure she had choices in mind, I don't know if that list is public.
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)FTR I was being facetious. Some here consider the nomination a fait accompli, just like last time.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)We also have Tim Caine and if we searched a little more there are candidates.
HERVEPA
(6,107 posts)And Obama would have won anyhow no matter who McCain picked.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Castro, being from TX, might do the same.
HERVEPA
(6,107 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)And who knows? We'll have to see how he does on the stump. I don't think Jeb's nasty children will be much help to him, except for maybe Jorge P, who has cleaned up his act long enough to get some stupid little low level land management gig down that way. He's got his eye on bigger things, I'm sure.
former9thward
(32,058 posts)Land commissionaire is one of the most powerful state wide positions -- especially since TX has a weak governor form of government.
George P. Bush was elected Texas land commissioner in a landslide Tuesday, winning a little-known but powerful post that could eventually lead to higher offices and becoming the first in his family's political dynasty to win his first race.
The Texas land commissioner advocates for military veterans while administering the state's publicly held lands and overseeing mineral rights for oil and gas concerns. The office also controls revenues from that booming sector, which feeds the Permanent School Fund and which helps pay public education costs. The fund recently surpassed Harvard University's as the nation's largest educational endowment.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/midterm-election-2014-george-p-wins-texas-election-accomplishes-bush-family-first/
I think the Bush people told him to run for that office for a reason.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Hasn't been for a while, in fact. It's what makes politics in that hellhole rather interesting.
It used to be as you describe--very much so, under Bush, but that has changed in the last decade and a half. It's not due to the constitutional nature of the job, it's more due to "cult of personality." Perry crafted a little "club," and one of his good ol' boys has succeeded him in the Boss Man job. The members of that little club have been schooled in the "Go Along, Get Along" style--and crossing the governor is now far more risky a proposition than it used to be back in the "Go do the job and stay out of the papers" days.
Here's some background for you:
http://www.vanityfair.com/news/politics/2012/01/rick-perry-201201
http://www.texastribune.org/2013/07/08/weak-governor-system-strong-governor/
http://www.texasmonthly.com/topics/rick-perry
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/26/us/the-slow-process-of-removing-rick-perrys-footprint-from-texas.html
.... it takes six years to run through a full cycle of appointments, and a governors term is only four years.
This setup is designed to drain the power of the occupant of the Governors Mansion, which in turn empowers the leaders of the Legislature. If they wish to do so, a speaker of the House and a lieutenant governor can run rings around a governor.
The people who deal with state government used to take this as one of the laws of their peculiar universe, embodied by lieutenant governors like Bill Hobby and Bob Bullock and, for a couple of years, Mr. Perry and Bill Ratliff.
It has eroded considerably, mainly because Mr. Perry has now been governor for so long, and because he understood better than most how to consolidate the ordinarily anemic powers given to him.
Mr. Perry has vetoed 301 bills. Aside from pushing that legislative work into the trash bin, his vetoes had the effect of letting everyone know that he was willing to kill things he did not like. His first session as governor was, in this sense, the bloodiest: He ended that one with 83 vetoes.
Now, open this link, watch the video there, and listen to what Rick Perry had to say about his successor--they're on the same page, and his acolytes are Abbott's acolytes:
http://video.statesman.com/Governor-Rick-Perry-speaks-on-Greg-Abbotts-win-28104486
And last, but most certainly not least, check this out:
http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2013/07/greg-abbott-the-next-rick-perry
That's because for most of the last decade, the actions that have done the most to harden Perry's anti-Washington reputation have really been the work of Abbott. While lacking the coyote-sniping public swagger of the current officeholder, Abbott, whose office is independent of the governor, has been leading the state's legal challenge to virtually every notable piece of legislation that's come out of Washington in the Obama era.
As for Jorge P., there's no reason to believe that he, like others, isn't in the "Perry Club." If he plays his cards right and doesn't rock the boat, he could do very well indeed. The GOP "faux cabinet" has been successful by circling the wagons around the governor. It doesn't look like that style is changing, but it is early days yet--time, as it always does, will tell.
calimary
(81,410 posts)They're already planning his ascension to the Oval Office. World's Biggest Entitlement Program: the bushes' presumption of some "divine right" to lead. I suspect they fancy themselves as the"American Royal Family" - aiming to take that "title" away from the Kennedys.
He's being groomed. For absolute sure. Take that to the bank. We need to render that campaign thoroughly stillborn.
misterhighwasted
(9,148 posts)He is loved & carries zero baggage.
He would win on his smile alone.
Julian Castro would make Jeb Bush's Hispanic agenda invisible.
HE would bring voters out en masse.
I have no doubt that he's is the Ace Card.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)appalachiablue
(41,166 posts)libdem4life
(13,877 posts)President. Hispanics have traditionally under-voted but are, I believe, the largest minority. This is a "bootstraps" story, too. Grandmother was an immigrant, raised by single mother who was very active in leftist politics, a darling 4 year old and lovely wife. He will help any Presidential candidate.
BlueStater
(7,596 posts)southerncrone
(5,506 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)tammywammy
(26,582 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)SickOfTheOnePct
(7,290 posts)justiceischeap
(14,040 posts)It makes sense. She's endorsed Hillary and stated time and again she's not going to run for President but has never said she wasn't or wouldn't run for VP.
sheshe2
(83,843 posts)We need her in the Senate!!!!
She stays as our senior Senator from MA!
Shrike47
(6,913 posts)justiceischeap
(14,040 posts)But it does clear up some of the prevarication some see her employing about a Presidential run.
DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)may I offer another, one that woudl actually be some red meat to the left, but also help secure Ohio, so that we do not need to worry about Rick and Jeb stealing florida.
SHERROD BROWN!
CK_John
(10,005 posts)OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)Whatevs.
But Ted Strickland may be the better choice. He likely won't win his Senate run and leaving Brown in place is imperative for Ohio.
MADem
(135,425 posts)He paid the fees, the penalties and interest, so I don't think it's a big deal. But that kind of thing can be blown up out of proportion in a national race. I don't think he has the national footprint, myself.
MADem
(135,425 posts)I think it's past time for a quarter of the population to be represented in the executive branch, along with fifty percent of the population. A Clinton-Castro ticket would do that.
Brown is a nice fellow, make no mistake, but he doesn't resonate the way Castro would.
beachbum bob
(10,437 posts)an exciting all female ticket that solidifies democrats, progressives, women and minorities thru out america and will bring red states in play in the general election
CK_John
(10,005 posts)aikoaiko
(34,183 posts)sheshe2
(83,843 posts)She stays in the Senate. We need here there.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)thelordofhell
(4,569 posts)elleng
(131,041 posts)They were/are friends, Arkansas etc. Hillary should know his value (as should all Dems,) and he surely should have a role in any Clinton administration. (VP probably not the best place for him. Sec. Def, National Security, State.) I'm NOT holding my breath, tho.
appalachiablue
(41,166 posts)elleng
(131,041 posts)Professional Dems wouldn't have it.
appalachiablue
(41,166 posts)elleng
(131,041 posts)AngryAmish
(25,704 posts)appalachiablue
(41,166 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)And he's taken up with a very youthful woman, who was not even born when he took his wedding vows...? He couldn't get elected dogcatcher if he offered to work for free in a town full of wild and rabid dogs.
People are using the "No fool like an old fool" remarks almost as much as they did with Rupert Murdoch and his last failed marriage.
http://pagesix.com/2013/08/12/despite-dating-a-woman-less-than-half-his-age-gen-wesley-clark-is-still-not-divorced-from-his-wife-of-46-years/
Plus, he has some business interests that would be problematic, even if his personal life wasn't a mess.
appalachiablue
(41,166 posts)him from a notable post then, plus not really making inroads into the Dem. Party like he wanted. Bright and capable otherwise.
MADem
(135,425 posts)70 and 32 is just too much of a gap, especially when the 32 year old looks like she's 18 and he looks every minute of 70.
appalachiablue
(41,166 posts)wolf type especially like Arnold, Edwards, Bill, et al. And Webb's 3rd is also very young. Bill Maher's with a 31 year old, he's 58 I read. Lot of it going around- yuck.
MADem
(135,425 posts)He was a bit brusque (he wasn't having a good day--really, a good series of days--at the time), she was lovely. A very nice woman who didn't throw her weight around (some of them can wear their spouse's rank). I think he's gone what they used to call "Middle aged crazy" even though he's closer to "Elderly crazy" at seventy.
Maher, at least, is honest. He has said he will never get married (funny, though--he's reaching the age when many men, like Clooney and Warren Beatty, suddenly decide to "settle down" -- are they looking for a bride or a nurse?). He got in a MESS with a former Delta flight attendant who tried to sue him for palimony, but that got laughed out of court, given his many public statements on his views re: commitment. I know people who knew her--they concur with his view that she was extorting him. I think that made him a bit more cautious. He doesn't hang on to girlfriends for very long, it's just shy of a business arrangement as far as he's concerned.
Not sure how Webb does it, but he manages to keep his ex-wives happy, to the point where they'll even campaign for him. John McCain has the same talent--I guess they are both the type of personality where the ex-spouses are the ones who are glad to be rid of them, or something!!
appalachiablue
(41,166 posts)60' a few times. Happens to the best of 'em, like old Beatty. McCain made a settlement/arrangement with his last wife, who has a medical condition, maybe a slight disability, not to talk negatively and she depends on him, or rather Cindy financially I believe. I liked Webb when he came out and won that race against Macaca Allen, and I met him at a law school conference in 2006 in Arl., but what I've read lately makes me much less tolerant, not the spin, but stuff he's saying. Think maybe his time passed, c. 2000-2008 or something. Now some stuff is coming out about O'Malley's past with Balto. Police and minorities- it will be interesting.
MADem
(135,425 posts)and their houses as a condition of the divorce, plus she gets alimony still and she is covered under TRICARE for Life as an unremarried military spouse. She is quite disabled as she was in a car accident (bad one, too--she damn near died) that crushed her legs and ended up costing her a great deal of her height. She was a former model when she married her first, abusive husband--McCain was not abusive (if you don't count infidelity as abusive, I guess), he adopted her kids--those "boys" of his from her are her ex-husband's-- but when he came home from Vietnam, he'd changed, she'd changed and it just wasn't happening. She knew he was screwing around, she just didn't think he'd want to move on, and that came as a surprise to her. There was sadness but no sustained hard feelings. It was 'over' way before Cindy, even though he diddle-daddled about getting the divorce. He was the Pig on the Hill when he was up at OLA--cut a wide swathe through the secretarial pool and left a lot of young ladies offended and pissed off, all the while playing the war hero card and networking. The wikipedia on Carol pretty much lays it all out:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carol_McCain
She also continued to work after the divorce, and had jobs in the Saint Ronnie of Raygun presidential campaign effort (working for Nancy) as well as the White House and elsewhere. She was an early pro at the "Event Planning" game. She's retired now.
I will say this--there was a reason that McCain, unlike his father AND his grandfather, didn't make it to Flag rank, despite being a POW and from a family of Admirals. He should have been a shoo-in. It didn't have to do with his conduct running OLA (it runs itself, pretty much--there are a lot of careerists there) but it did have to do with his conduct "off duty" as well as his attitude after he came home. He was an asshole who didn't work and play well with others--and he didn't "fit in" with the rest of the senior leadership, he just didn't know how to rein it in.
appalachiablue
(41,166 posts)campaign I was stunned when his brother, Joe McCain who I'd never heard of, remarked that John was up there (in NoVA) campaigning in Communist country! WTH? Relic of the Bircher era I guess. Looked him up, only thing noted was he's a dinner theatre actor? You might know. Neither strike me as too bright, but you have to give the McCain men credit for seeking out heiresses, a real talent. Military careers don't pay too well and many sons of respectable families resorted to that path absent land or money- not all. There are very good professional military men and women of course. That does reminds me of Lee, and Maria F. Custis the heiress of Arlington House, another weird arrangement, 4 unmarried daughters. I think the McCain's formidable mother Roberta might still be alive. Wild John was in HS at the old Episcopal Seminary school on W. Braddock in Alexandria and known for carousing around in his little red convertible or smthg. BTW, that's a handsome, cutie in your pix, love doggies-
MADem
(135,425 posts)Never knew old Grouchy Gramps had a brother!! And while his ability to snag an heiress is remarkable, if he'd kept his head down and made flag, he could actually live well on that retirement--of course, someone like him would get the appointments to boards that bring in a lot of extra bacon, and the TV spots as an "expert" on anything military, even if he had no experience with that particular issue, weapons platform, or region of the globe. I mean, it's nothing in terms of raking it in like Cindy's Beer Fortune money, but enough for a fine life.
Roberta, Grouchy's mom, IS still alive--can you believe? Shes a HUNDRED AND THREE!!!! Her twin sister died in 2011 but she hasn't given up yet--good for her. I will say when I heard that she drove all over Europe in her nineties she gave me hope for my own old age--of course, they wouldn't rent her a car because of age discrimination, so she had to buy one...she basically signed a lease and then gave it back when she was done with her trip--it worked out to about the same at the end of the day. I did think that was a "hot shit" move!
I love those westhighland dogs--I've had a few, and they are feisty little shits who have an independent streak. Super-smart, loyal, tough, and relentless...and great "varmint hunters" if you have a need for that sort of things!
appalachiablue
(41,166 posts)in 2008 about 'commie' Arl. & Alexandria, where he lives! Seems to be a colorful character. I remember Roberta from the 2008 campaign interviews- a healthy, attractive, strong & outspoken lady. Also the car she bought & drove in Europe, good for her. Believe it that she's still here at 103, not her twin sister though they have very good genes. Father was a wildcatter oilman I think; both women rec'd. plenty of catcalls when near naval ships. ~ (Now it's clear why Maher often called Sarah Palin a 2rd rate 'air hostess', he would know. I appreciate issues raised on 'Real Time', though not all of Bill's POVs or guests).
Politicians & celebs are a continual source of entertainment (& bummers). Here you come across so much, eg a recent post setting the record straight Re Gary Hart & Fawn Hall? of 'The Monkey Business' affair. Came out in an article how she was a paid consultant. Well there you go, just a professional relationship, conducted on a party boat. OK! ~O'Malley mentioned Gary Hart who he assisted in an interview a few months ago. I'd forgot all about the Hart's & wife Lee. When will Johnny Edwards return to the scene? Arnold just spoke out about the Indiana debacle.
WESTIES are feisty cuties indeed. I had Spaniels, a beautiful, loving & strong, female red & white party color (with freckles) & a little runaway feller, part Tibetian Spaniel we think. Loved both, need more but in transition for now.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)These predictions crack me up everytime.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Now i'm going to read every Clinton thread in her fakey-ass Jamaican accent.
Thanks
bravenak
(34,648 posts)tridim
(45,358 posts)Fair warning.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)bowens43
(16,064 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)SheilaT
(23,156 posts)for the ticket.
I was very unhappy in 2000 with Al Gore's selection of Joe Lieberman. Very, very unhappy. It was still not quite enough to make me not vote for him. And it's impossible to imagine a VP selection on either side that would move significant numbers of voters to cross party lines.
Joe Biden has been a terrific VP, but it makes no sense of any kind for him to do it again.
I also don't get this nonsense that Elizabeth Warren should stay in the Senate because she can do so much more good there. Really? More good than she could do as President? But more to the point, I have NEVER before heard this reasoning. No one ever suggested John Kennedy should remain a Senator, or John McCain, or Barack Obama, or, well you get the idea. I could continue the list by naming lots and lots of other Senators who've run for President with varying degrees of success, and Elizabeth Warren is the only one people think shouldn't be looking at a little upward mobility.
Why is that?
CK_John
(10,005 posts)SheilaT
(23,156 posts)qwlauren35
(6,148 posts)I don't see her becoming president and as VP, she becomes virtually powerless. I don't see VP as a step up from Senator. President, yes. VP, no.
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)and that Hillary Clinton is an exceptionally bad idea as President.
When Hillary first ran in 2008 no one, least of all here, ever suggested she should remain in the Senate where she could do the most good.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Enough change to make you want to drool into your creamed corn
CK_John
(10,005 posts)BainsBane
(53,041 posts)but they are strange, to say the least. I'm amazed anyone is taking this thread seriously.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)if you say so.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)chillfactor
(7,579 posts)she needs that voting block....
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)Some degree of sex appeal. Some degree of youth. I think Bill Richardson would be great even though he isn't young he would seal the deal
merrily
(45,251 posts)Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)Sancho
(9,070 posts)is the best choice IMHO.
elleng
(131,041 posts)(Should have been Pres.)
Would be best for Sec. Def, National Security, Sec. State.
Sancho
(9,070 posts)Off the top of my head:
Sarah Palin
Joe Liberman
Jack Kemp
Dan Quayle
Lloyd Bentsen
Geraldine Ferraro
Walter Mondale
Spiro Agnew
Edmund Muskie
The majority were virtually unknown to anyone except political junkies until they were put on a national ticket. After they ran, they became better known (usually as much for losing or doing something stupid), but outside of their home state, the majority of voters never heard of many of them before being tapped for a VP run.
elleng
(131,041 posts)before being nominated for VP, and as I recall, most here at DU didn't think much of General Clark when he DID run. Thousands of us DRAFTED him to run for POTUS.
I was (and am) a strong supporter of his, and am also familiar with the negative b.s. many raise when his name comes up. It is just that, b.s., but imo he has little or nothing going for him in support of a VP candidacy, public support-wise. I'll eat my hat (HAPPILY!) if Hillary (or another Dem candidate) selects him to run as VP.
elleng
(131,041 posts)Wesley Clark: Ukraine must be armed right now.
http://www.kyivpost.com/opinion/op-ed/wesley-clark-ukraine-must-be-armed-right-now-385334.html
MADem
(135,425 posts)when he married his wife. He has children older than the paramour. No idea if they're still together, but that was a real mess. An exhibition of very poor judgment. Plus, he is (or was) serving as an advisor to the head of Romania.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/gen-wesley-clark-cites-indignities-divorce-papers-article-1.1425560
https://twitter.com/GeneralClark/status/534475789417603073
http://pagesix.com/2013/08/12/despite-dating-a-woman-less-than-half-his-age-gen-wesley-clark-is-still-not-divorced-from-his-wife-of-46-years/
http://www.romania-insider.com/retired-us-general-wesley-clark-becomes-an-adviser-to-romanias-pm-victor-ponta/60392/
On those issues alone, the media would have a field day. He's not a good candidate for anything save private life, and perhaps lending "support."
Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)pnwmom
(108,990 posts)Gavin Christopher Newsom (born October 10, 1967) is an American politician. He is the 49th and current lieutenant governor of California, after being elected in 2010 and re-elected in 2014.[1] In 2003, he was elected the 42nd Mayor of San Francisco, the citys youngest in a hundred years.[2] Newsom was re-elected in 2007 with 72 percent of the vote.[3][4] In 2010, a Samepoint study named Newsom the Most Social Mayor in Americas largest one hundred cities.
In 1996, San Francisco Mayor Willie Brown appointed Newsom to serve on the citys Parking and Traffic Commission, and then as a member of the Board of Supervisors the following year. Newsom drew voter attention with his Care Not Cash program, designed to move homeless people into city-assisted care.
Newsom graduated from Redwood High School and Santa Clara University. He has co-founded 11 businesses, 10 in which family friend Gordon Getty has been an investor.
In February 2015, Newsom announced he was opening a committee to run for governor of California in 2018
Or Gary Locke, former 2-term Governor of Washington, Secretary of Commerce, Ambassador to China?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Locke
There are plenty of good candidates who aren't on the Eastern seaboard.
NBachers
(17,133 posts)I remember during the last Democratic Convention. The camera lingered on Gavin, as if savoring a future Democratic leader. I can see him as VP, but not as president, at this point.
pnwmom
(108,990 posts)He's in his 2nd term as Lt. Gov. of a huge state.
No one's saying that the Castro brothers are junior league, and I'm not aware that they're more experienced. Are they?
Retrograde
(10,143 posts)Which makes him practically a clone of Nancy Pelosi!
I think Newsom will make a fine governor, and I hope that he will get some more national attention, but the fact that he was mayor of San Francisco - and should get some credit for starting the same sex marriage campaign - is going to give the right wing a lot of fodder for attack ads.
The West Coast gets ignored too much, except when it's time to ask for money. There are some good potential candidates - I'm partial to Jackie Spieir - who don't get media attention because they're quietly doing a good job.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)because he has been around for quite a while and didn't get into any trouble that I know of.
Kip Humphrey
(4,753 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)And no one wants to re-live all that personal and political baggage, especially after the passage of time has exposed the "wisdom" of his policies.
Besides, it's not as though he has to be VP before she can get his input.
And the nepotism would shout from the rooftops. It's bad enough as it is with the Clintons and the Bushes.
MADem
(135,425 posts)He wouldn't have been "elected" to the office of POTUS. Constitutional scholars differ. I'm on the side of "he could do it" though I doubt he would want to.
....What if Hillary picked Bill as her running mate? A Post reporter rashly dismissed the idea as unconstitutional. But that only proved the dangers of unedited journalism. The answer, it turns out, is not so simple.
A subsequent sampling of opinion from professors of constitutional law, former White House lawyers and even a couple of federal judges reveals a simmering disagreement on whether a president who has already served two terms can be vice president. Some agree with the conclusion that the presidential term limit embedded in the Constitution bars someone such as Clinton from returning to the White House even in the No. 2 slot. Others, though, call that a misreading of the literal language of the law. ..... On its face, that seems to suggest that Clinton could be vice president because he is only barred from being elected president a third time, not from serving as president. That's the argument of Scott E. Gant, a partner at Boies, Schiller & Flexner in Washington, and Bruce G. Peabody, an assistant professor of political science at Fairleigh Dickinson University in New Jersey. The two wrote a law review article in 1999 called "The Twice and Future President" and reprised the argument this summer in the Christian Science Monitor.
"In preventing individuals from being elected to the presidency more than twice, the amendment does not preclude a former president from again assuming the presidency by means other than election, including succession from the vice presidency," they wrote. "If this view is correct, then Clinton is not 'constitutionally ineligible to the office of president,' and is not barred by the 12th Amendment from being elected vice president."....
Others share that opinion. Three former White House lawyers consulted by The Washington Post (two who served President Bush and one who served Clinton) agreed that the amendment would not bar Clinton from the vice presidency. A federal judge, who noted that he has "no views on the matter," said the plain language of the amendment would seem to allow Clinton to "become president through succession."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/19/AR2006101901572.html
merrily
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"Consitutional scholars differ." Realistically, how would this SCOTUS would decide?
Moreover, the intent seems relatively clear from the language of the amendment, given that no past President until that time had ever returned to serve as Vice President.
As you read the language, remember, Truman served out most of FDR's last term. Seems as though 8 years was the max contemplated.
Technically, the amendment exempted Truman because he was serving when it was ratified in 1951. (If it had not exempted him and his Veep, that failure would have raised other Constitutional issues.) But for the exemption, he would not have run in 1952, assuming he wanted to. As he was, he chose not to.
Section 1. No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once. But this article shall not apply to any person holding the office of President when this article was proposed by the Congress, and shall not prevent any person who may be holding the office of President, or acting as President, during the term within which this article becomes operative from holding the office of President or acting as President during the remainder of such term.
Section 2. This article shall be inoperative unless it shall have been ratified as an amendment to the Constitution by the legislatures of three-fourths of the several states within seven years from the date of its submission to the states by the Congress.
And, supposedly, the reason two terms were chosen was that George Washington had declined to serve a third term.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty-second_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution
If true, that would suggest that the Framers of the 22nd Amendment and those who ratified it had two terms in mind--and, as already stated, the language of the amendment itself suggests that as well.
The goal was to avoid one person rule, something approaching a monarchy or dictatorship, beyond two terms. Let's say Hillary was the victim of something that rendered her unable to serve within days of her inauguration. That would give Veep Bill three terms. If those who amended the Constitution thought 3 terms were acceptable, they could have and would have said that, but they did not.
And, just what Democrats need: a constitutional controversy about whether the women who want to be President like her husband was a while back can legally be succeeded by her husband as Vice President. Not to mention re-living in full force (as we will have to to some degree anyway), all Bill's tendencies.
What is the actual goal of your reply? I had not been under the impression that you are eager for a Clinton Clinton ticket.
ETA: As far as constitutional scholars differing, they differ about almost everything that the SCOTUS has not yet decided and a quite a few cases that the SCOTUS has decided. The court itself has often split 5-4, including before this especially partisan court. So, I don't find their differing on this either surprising or especially significant.
MADem
(135,425 posts)That doesn't mean I'm in favor of a "Clinton Clinton ticket," but this is a discussion board and your ready insistence that this was an impossibility doesn't seem to be accurate--the "scholars" in the article who (loosely) take the opposing view don't appear to have their shit together, either.
It's not about what Democrats would want, or need--it's about working through a hypothetical. Bill Clinton, serving as VP, would only run into trouble if he had to fleet up to the Presidency for more than two years, the way the law is currently written. Perhaps he'd have to choose a VP and vacate the gig after two years--but that would likely be sorted out if it ever happened (and that's unlikely but there's no harm or foul in sketching out the possibilities).
There's no limit on the number of times a person can serve as Vice President. Biden could jump on the ticket again if he was wanted. Most people don't realize that, but it's true.
merrily
(45,251 posts)nature of the current SCOTUS, while I am not sure what yours was grounded in.
But, you are entitled to your opinion.
the "scholars" in the article who (loosely) take the opposing view don't appear to have their shit together, either.
It was your link. But, sure, only you have your analytical shit together, not the scholars who take the side opposite of yours and not I. Whatever.
MADem
(135,425 posts)you aren't.
merrily
(45,251 posts)BTW, relying on scholars on one side of an issue is not an analysis at all. Neither is a rant like your reply 174, but whatever.
We have different views on the matter. what a shock. I am leaving it there. last word is yours, if you want it.
MADem
(135,425 posts)DrDan
(20,411 posts)Response to CK_John (Original post)
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BeyondGeography
(39,377 posts)Catchy.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)yellowcanine
(35,701 posts)Really they don't. Only one in my lifetime I can think of where the VP MAY have influenced the outcome is the 1960 Kennedy Nixon election - Johnson probably helped Kennedy carry Texas but Kennedy would have won even without Texas so even there it is not clear cut.
AngryAmish
(25,704 posts)LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)If so, brilliant!
I mean, 1) VP candidates NEVER decide the election, 2) playing the inevitable card, 3) Joe Freakin Biden.
Well done.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)...the VP pick has almost no bearing on who I vote for. A perfect VP doesn't make up for a sucky candidate at the top of the ticket.
But you can certainly believe anything that you like.
CK_John
(10,005 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)I do find your prognostications interesting to say the least but I don't see anything nefarious behind them...
99Forever
(14,524 posts)Stating one's honest opinion, is "Attacking other DUERS without cause"?
Perhaps you prefer I just shut up and get back under the bus with the rest of the professional leftists, eh?
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)He obviously felt hurt, hence my remarks of consolation.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)You didn't jump all over me without cause. Of course not.
Bless your heart.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)He's a board treasure.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)Of course, what else could have prompted your unprovoked attack on me? Yes, his "hurt feelings" from a rather unambiguous comment HAD to be behind your dig at me.
Bless your heart.
Generic Brad
(14,275 posts)She will help. She won't hurt. She is inclusive. She is not controversial. And she is competent.
Yupster
(14,308 posts)no downside and competent and really pushes the women thing.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)You realize he is more popular among Democrats that all the other potentials behind Hillary Clinton?
Joe Biden is a popular guy...how that hurts her I have no idea....desperation I guess.....which causes someone to falsely believe his isn't popular... and hoping she picks him and hoping he accepts....wow just wow....!
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)If she is such a poor candidate that she needs a possible VP to carry her then maybe we need a different nominee.
Yupster
(14,308 posts)for Kennedy.
Worst VP pick was Hannibal Hamlin for Lincoln. Before that it was traditional to take a prez and vp from north and south or south and north.
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)kydo
(2,679 posts)CK_John
(10,005 posts)Lil Missy
(17,865 posts)pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)Joe_Biden
(8 posts)I would refuse the honor to be a heartbeat away again, but I sincerely appreciate any kindly mention I can get these days. Here's a cheek pinch and an an arm squeeze and a back pat for your troubles. God bless you and your family and your dogs and cats and your neighbors and any strangers you might meet on your travels this weekend in America, the land that I love.
uppityperson
(115,678 posts)Do you have any dietary restrictions?
Joe_Biden
(8 posts)pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)TBF
(32,084 posts)and I hope he is running for President but I would take VP.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)to make up for his short political history. HUD Secretary is, I believe, the start of that training. In 8 years, he'll be ready to carry on and help empower Leftist Democrats.
I'm going to guess that Joaquin has his sights set on the Governor's Mansion in Texas. That being the case, Texas will also start a turn towards at least Purple.
TBF
(32,084 posts)but I agree that the baby boomers will want someone older. He'd make a fantastic VP from a southern state (very popular ex-mayor of San Antonio). And, yes, I would love to see Joaquin as governor of Texas. He's fantastic as well.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)Kennedy had wealth, family history, and had mastered politics to some extent. Plus, he was extraordinarily good looking...and also Jackie and her family background. They looked like the typical American family.
Julian has a lovely wife, and a charming daughter, but the country...regardless that Hispanics are the largest minority...needs more time to relate to a Tejano family in the White House. But following on the first Black President, next likely the first Woman, then the first (Liberal) Hispanic...America will be officially diversifying.
I love being a Democrat.
GoneOffShore
(17,340 posts)Oh, wait, there are other possible candidates, but they're not the anointed Clinton.
I try to be cynical, but I just can't keep up.
davidn3600
(6,342 posts)People barely pay enough attention to the main candidates.
Most Americans probably can't even tell you who the current Vice President is.
Joe_Biden
(8 posts)Just kiddin, pal.
icymist
(15,888 posts)Joe_Biden
(8 posts)I would never ask you if you're really icymist, not that there's anything wrong with it. Just kiddin, pal. How the hell these smilee things work?
uppityperson
(115,678 posts)Joe_Biden
(8 posts)where I recorded the end of Wisc-UK (I was having dinner with the King of someplace while the game was on) BUT I made the mistake of checking into DU first and SOMEBODY posted the outcome of the game in their post headline. So I'm having the Secret Service look into that for me.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I really like Joe Biden.
Joe_Biden
(8 posts)Joe Biden (trying to get smileys down) really likes bravenak.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)And some very nice channeling of 'Uncle Joe.'
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I find myself pretending to myself that it IS Joe and that he likes us.
qwlauren35
(6,148 posts)We've seen that a VP candidate can ruin an election. Palin was a disastrous choice for McCain. Admittedly, a white male would help, but the main thing is that it be a relatively young person with amazing political savvy.
rjsquirrel
(4,762 posts)John Edwards?
Rosie O'Donnell?
Sarah Silverman?
Biden, bless his heart, ain't gonna work.
KellyW
(598 posts)any takers?
MFM008
(19,818 posts)Clinton/Castro.
Especially if its Bush .
unblock
(52,285 posts)sure, in an extremely close election you can find a thousand things that might have swayed the result the other way, but the overwhelming majority vote the top of the ticket and/or the party and/or the presidential campaign issue du jour.
there are very few people who vote one way because of the veep selection who honestly would have voted the other way given a different choice of vp. and for those few, one could probably find an equal number who did just the opposite.
villager
(26,001 posts)...something they were supposed to get. And somebody got a whole lot more than they bargained for."
http://www.theonion.com/articles/biden-to-cool-his-heels-in-mexico-for-a-while,17996/