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Hillary's VP pick will decide the election. The only person that I believe she can (Original Post) CK_John Apr 2015 OP
Not. gonna. happen. MADem Apr 2015 #1
your right... Historic NY Apr 2015 #4
Who is Hispanic. merrily Apr 2015 #63
I want to see a woman and a Hispanic in the white house before I die madokie Apr 2015 #85
me, too, but not Hillary. merrily Apr 2015 #149
^^^ This^^^ sheshe2 Apr 2015 #34
Clinton/Castro in 2016. The wingnutters will go wild! Images will be: freshwest Apr 2015 #70
Ha ha....it gets to the point where they throw stuff at her and it reeks of desperation! MADem Apr 2015 #95
She'll definitely need a STRONG VP.....so, Stellar Apr 2015 #114
Mayor Julián Castro of San Antonio delivered the keynote speech at the 2012 DNC freshwest Apr 2015 #124
Thanks for sharing! Stellar Apr 2015 #138
Hillary will probably pick a red state dem. Maybe a governor like KY's or CO. craigmatic Apr 2015 #94
Hickenlooper would be a stellar choice EL34x4 Apr 2015 #98
But I'm kinda liking the way that rings. EL34x4 Apr 2015 #100
I don't think Biden would want it. Hmmm, maybe Sarah Palin? still_one Apr 2015 #2
Just as long as it's not Warren tracks29 Apr 2015 #3
Warren needs to be promoted to the Treasury and on to the Supreme Court when the moment arrives. misterhighwasted Apr 2015 #15
I hope 10 more aggressive women like Warren Backwoodsrider Apr 2015 #60
I sincerely doubt that Hillary will appoint Warren or Sanders to anything that powerful. djean111 Apr 2015 #74
Ya know, we seem to be viewing the world Jackpine Radical Apr 2015 #104
Bingo. SheilaT Apr 2015 #140
Warren is a little old for the court AndreaCG Apr 2015 #144
Oh, hey, I think the talk of appointing Warren to SCOTUS is hot air meant to divert and pacify, I djean111 Apr 2015 #156
Warren can make that decision for herself, but Hillary would not choose her anyway. merrily Apr 2015 #64
Why would Joe Biden want to serve another term as VP? .. Under Hillary? YOHABLO Apr 2015 #5
I like O'Malley. femmocrat Apr 2015 #6
Good to see this. elleng Apr 2015 #11
Good choice. n/t Adrahil Apr 2015 #13
I don't see O'Malley helping the ticket tkmorris Apr 2015 #67
Not sure we should take a Dem governor out of circulation though. calimary Apr 2015 #162
Who'd she pick last time? AtomicKitten Apr 2015 #7
I don't think candidates pick anyone until they get they win the primary. ohnoyoudidnt Apr 2015 #45
thanks AtomicKitten Apr 2015 #152
I am thinking one of the Castro brothers buy if O'Malley shows well maybe him. Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #8
No reason to believe your premise. VP pick generally has little impact. (Sarah Palin excepted) HERVEPA Apr 2015 #9
LBJ pulled JFK over the line, make no mistake. MADem Apr 2015 #96
Nope. Dems are not winning Texas. And if they for some reason did, then the election wasn't close. HERVEPA Apr 2015 #99
If they can force the GOP to have to spend money to win TX, that's a good thing. MADem Apr 2015 #102
You may not be familiar with TX government structure. former9thward Apr 2015 #133
I am quite familiar w/TX form of government--and it's not a "weak governor" system anymore. MADem Apr 2015 #147
You better believe they did! calimary Apr 2015 #166
Julian Castro would dessimate the GOP's chance in 2016 & also provide some very long coattails. misterhighwasted Apr 2015 #10
Totally agree. Julian is her man. DCBob Apr 2015 #27
Agree. Clinton-Castro 2016, or O'Malley-Castro 2016 + 4 appalachiablue Apr 2015 #41
I'm with the Julian Castro group...young, squeaky clean Hispanic and in-training for libdem4life Apr 2015 #12
How about a different presidential nominee instead? n/t BlueStater Apr 2015 #14
Yes southerncrone Apr 2015 #48
oh bull. silliness. nt seabeyond Apr 2015 #16
As are all his predictions. n/t tammywammy Apr 2015 #17
;) . there certainly is a consistency with this poster, for sure. nt seabeyond Apr 2015 #18
yup HERVEPA Apr 2015 #32
+1 n/t SickOfTheOnePct Apr 2015 #19
Elizabeth Warren justiceischeap Apr 2015 #20
No! sheshe2 Apr 2015 #36
That would just waste her. It wouldn't bring in indies or pukes. Leave her where she is, voting. Shrike47 Apr 2015 #52
I agree she should stay in the Senate justiceischeap Apr 2015 #73
I like Castro, but DonCoquixote Apr 2015 #21
Too much baggage. CK_John Apr 2015 #22
Baggage? OilemFirchen Apr 2015 #91
The only thing that comes to mind is that he was late paying taxes a couple of times. MADem Apr 2015 #101
He's Hispanic? MADem Apr 2015 #97
no to Joe, yes to Elizabeth Warren beachbum bob Apr 2015 #23
Sen from NY and a Sen from neighbor state of MA on the same ticket is too much to sell. CK_John Apr 2015 #24
It didn't get in the way of a fellow from Arkansas and a fellow from Tennessee. aikoaiko Apr 2015 #33
No to Warren. sheshe2 Apr 2015 #37
Hillary would NEVER pick Elizabeth for VP slot, as Hillary knows Elizabeth would overshadow her. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2015 #78
Gen. Wesley Clark thelordofhell Apr 2015 #25
Dems have ignored him for years. elleng Apr 2015 #29
I like what I've seen of Wesley Clark. appalachiablue Apr 2015 #44
He would have been the best president. elleng Apr 2015 #54
Indeed, he seems highly qualified & intelligent & good for a high level cabinet position at least. appalachiablue Apr 2015 #58
Yes, Sec. Def, National Security, Sec. State. elleng Apr 2015 #59
i like miley AngryAmish Apr 2015 #81
Go try to insult somebody else and get a life. appalachiablue Apr 2015 #110
You do know he recently split from his highly regarded spouse of forty plus years? MADem Apr 2015 #155
Unfortunate, seems to happen to many later in life. That plus his age might eliminate appalachiablue Apr 2015 #158
Very unfortunate, especially given the enormous age disparity. MADem Apr 2015 #159
I checked out your link, seems very pathetic esp. since he was regarded as respectable, not a appalachiablue Apr 2015 #161
I have met both of them, back when he was on active duty. MADem Apr 2015 #165
I can def see Maher entering a stable arrangement or marriage. Lately he's referred to 'looking at appalachiablue Apr 2015 #167
I don't think McCain made any deal with Carol. He signed over his retirement to her MADem Apr 2015 #168
Some of that about McCain's wife I recall now, yes their split was amicable. During the 2008 appalachiablue Apr 2015 #169
Love this place-you learn something new every day! MADem Apr 2015 #170
The Wiki on Joe McCain, 6 yrs. younger than Johnny has more info. incl. the wild comment appalachiablue Apr 2015 #171
This is like reading Miss Cleo on the psychic friends network. bravenak Apr 2015 #26
Oh great Scootaloo Apr 2015 #42
Glad I could help! bravenak Apr 2015 #51
I got banned from the HRC group for saying the same. tridim Apr 2015 #79
Thanks. I'll stay out of there with my snark. bravenak Apr 2015 #112
If Hillary is on the ticket we lose ....even she wins....... bowens43 Apr 2015 #28
The only good VP choice is Walter Mondale Cheese Sandwich Apr 2015 #30
He's "eighty seven years young!" nt MADem Apr 2015 #160
The VP slot is almost meaningless in getting people to vote SheilaT Apr 2015 #31
People are just trying to be kind. CK_John Apr 2015 #35
Kind? What do you mean? SheilaT Apr 2015 #39
Warren in the Senate qwlauren35 Apr 2015 #132
Well I think she should be running for President SheilaT Apr 2015 #139
Oh boy would that be an exciting, forward-facing ticket Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #38
"Change" is the last thing the voters what to hear in this election cycle. CK_John Apr 2015 #46
I don't know where these political conclusions of yours come from BainsBane Apr 2015 #55
Don't worry about that. We're just playing. n/t freshwest Apr 2015 #71
really? Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #68
The horse can't even see the cart, it's so far ahead of him n/t Scootaloo Apr 2015 #40
one of the Castro brothers.... chillfactor Apr 2015 #43
if its Hillary she needs to add Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2015 #47
Wasn't there some kerfuffle between him and the Clintons? merrily Apr 2015 #65
yes. he endorsed Obama in 2008. Bygones Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2015 #145
telling merrily Apr 2015 #150
Wesley Clark... Sancho Apr 2015 #49
Won't happen. He doesn't have much political support. elleng Apr 2015 #61
Clark has a lot less recognition and support than some VP candidates? Sancho Apr 2015 #75
Each of those you mentioned held significant political positions elleng Apr 2015 #89
FYI, His position on Ukraine: elleng Apr 2015 #92
He's ready for Hillary, but he dumped Gertrude for a thirty year old who wasn't even born MADem Apr 2015 #154
Terry McAuliffe Politicalboi Apr 2015 #50
Why not Gavin Newsom, 47, Lt. Gov. of CA, former mayor of San Francisco? pnwmom Apr 2015 #53
Gavin is telegenic, but he's still Junior League. Let him continue on his own path. NBachers Apr 2015 #56
The subject of the OP is who would be a good VP choice. You said you can see him as VP. pnwmom Apr 2015 #57
But he's from (gasp!) San Francisco Retrograde Apr 2015 #120
Lived in NoCal for many years...he lacks charisma. He might make Governor libdem4life Apr 2015 #143
Bill Clinton. Kip Humphrey Apr 2015 #62
He cannot serve if she becomes unable to. merrily Apr 2015 #66
You sure about that? MADem Apr 2015 #172
Yes, I am as sure as one can realistically be. merrily Apr 2015 #173
I don't think your POV would prevail.The "actual goal" of my reply was to challenge your assertion. MADem Apr 2015 #174
My analysis was based on language history and the merrily Apr 2015 #175
Mine was grounded in the comments of (cited) constitutional lawyers. I think they're right, and MADem Apr 2015 #177
As your post said, Constitutional scholars differ. Again, you are entitled to your OPINION. merrily Apr 2015 #178
Yep, I sure am entitled to my OPINION, and my "OPINION" (!!!!) looks pretty solid. nt MADem Apr 2015 #179
There are plenty of qualified choices that will not hurt her DrDan Apr 2015 #69
Post removed Post removed Apr 2015 #72
Old and Older BeyondGeography Apr 2015 #76
White and Whiter. n/t cherokeeprogressive Apr 2015 #90
VP picks don't decide elections. yellowcanine Apr 2015 #77
... AngryAmish Apr 2015 #80
Is this Onionesque satire? LondonReign2 Apr 2015 #82
Personally... 99Forever Apr 2015 #83
Gee, thanks. CK_John Apr 2015 #86
Please ignore him... Attacking other DUERS without cause seems to be his raison d'etre. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #103
Oh really? 99Forever Apr 2015 #105
The guy made a fairly innocuous observation...He's one of DU's most inoffensive posters... DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #106
Yeah, sure. That's what happened. 99Forever Apr 2015 #108
I would have said anything to rescue CK_John from his sorrow and despair. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #109
"...to rescue CK_John from his sorrow and despair." 99Forever Apr 2015 #121
Amy Klobuchar Generic Brad Apr 2015 #84
I think that would be a very strong pick Yupster Apr 2015 #117
You haven't noticed the polls for Joe Biden have you? VanillaRhapsody Apr 2015 #87
Not very likely./NT DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #88
When has any VP choice decided an election? Motown_Johnny Apr 2015 #93
Maybe Lyndon Johnson Yupster Apr 2015 #116
Gary Locke. n/t lumberjack_jeff Apr 2015 #107
Bill de Blasio maybe? kydo Apr 2015 #111
Same state problem with electoral college. CK_John Apr 2015 #141
Her VP pick will not help or hurt her. She'll win no matter who she picks. n/t Lil Missy Apr 2015 #113
Did you notice who gave the rec? pinboy3niner Apr 2015 #115
Thank you, my friend. Joe_Biden Apr 2015 #122
Welcome to DU Joe. I am having a barbeque next weekend, would you grace us by joining us? uppityperson Apr 2015 #123
I eat everything. Joe_Biden Apr 2015 #126
You were my man in '88 pinboy3niner Apr 2015 #176
My pick is Julian Castro - TBF Apr 2015 #118
I'm sure he's the twin that will accede, but he's too young and needs time in DC libdem4life Apr 2015 #125
Kennedy was 43 & Julian is only a few years younger at 40 TBF Apr 2015 #134
He also looks younger than he is and he lacks the all-important circuit in DC. libdem4life Apr 2015 #142
I really wish that there was someone else to run for President. GoneOffShore Apr 2015 #119
Pollsters tend to agree that the VP pick doesn't do much as far as gaining votes in the election davidn3600 Apr 2015 #127
Hey, knock that off. Joe_Biden Apr 2015 #128
You really Joe Biden? icymist Apr 2015 #129
I hope so. Joe_Biden Apr 2015 #131
So whatcha doin' Joe, hanging out on DU? uppityperson Apr 2015 #136
Well, I WAS getting ready to watch my VCR Joe_Biden Apr 2015 #146
I like this for some reason. bravenak Apr 2015 #137
Right on! Joe_Biden Apr 2015 #148
You did good!!! bravenak Apr 2015 #153
All of his posts are a BFD! pinboy3niner Apr 2015 #163
I'm loving it too much. bravenak Apr 2015 #164
No, it has to be someone young. qwlauren35 Apr 2015 #130
How about rjsquirrel Apr 2015 #135
I'll bet money it will be Ed Rendell KellyW Apr 2015 #151
I believe MFM008 Apr 2015 #157
people like to think the veep selection influences the presidential election, but it really doesn't unblock Apr 2015 #180
"Pretty fucking dicey:" "Let's just say there was a little misunderstanding. Somebody didn't get villager Apr 2015 #181

madokie

(51,076 posts)
85. I want to see a woman and a Hispanic in the white house before I die
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 09:51 AM
Apr 2015

Julian and or Joaquin Castro, either would be fine by me. Julian and Joaquin would be great as a President and Vice President together at the same time.
I really really like these brothers and the image of America they bring to the table. Awesome family, they and Mom.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
70. Clinton/Castro in 2016. The wingnutters will go wild! Images will be:
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 02:47 AM
Apr 2015
Democratic signs:



DNC in English and Spanish!

Republican signs:



Communist Take Over Imminent!

Alternate Faux Meme:



Hillary and Barack liaison revealed! Bill and Michelle file for divorce as their children are devastated! Obama to become First Husband!

MADem

(135,425 posts)
95. Ha ha....it gets to the point where they throw stuff at her and it reeks of desperation!
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 02:00 PM
Apr 2015

That "fine romance" at the end of your post is funny as hell! But you'd need to take care of Mrs. O--have her run off with Jimmy Fallon, or something! Then have Fallon's wife hook up with Bill (though I don't know if she'd be interested in making his oatmeal into old age...).

This sign is fine:



Looks ready for the print shop, to me!

Stellar

(5,644 posts)
114. She'll definitely need a STRONG VP.....so,
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 03:25 PM
Apr 2015

who is Castro? I've only heard his name once and that was when Obama was running for his second term. And that's all I know about him.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
124. Mayor Julián Castro of San Antonio delivered the keynote speech at the 2012 DNC
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 04:18 PM
Apr 2015


Julián Castro's DNC Keynote Speech - Elections 2012


Published on Sep 4, 2012

Mayor Julián Castro of San Antonio delivered the keynote speech Tuesday night at the 2012 Democratic National Convention,
the same speech that propelled then-Senator Barack Obama to fame in 2004.

Many more videos of Julián and his twin brother, Joaquin, now a Congressman:

Julián:





Joaquin:




Joaquin with a GOPer:



Both brothers:



Bonus video of Julian @Young Democrats of America:



YDA keynote speaker Mayor Julian Castro

I really, really want to see more of twins! And here is more:

Texas Monthly Features San Antonio's own Congressman Joaquin Castro and Mayor Julian Castro



Hope these give a view of what he is about. Obama appointed Julian to head HUD. Personally, I adore him and his family story.

 

EL34x4

(2,003 posts)
100. But I'm kinda liking the way that rings.
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 02:21 PM
Apr 2015

Coloradans (of which I am a native, despite being forced by Uncle Sam to make Florida my home) love their beer-brewing governor. He might swing some of the libertarian-leaning younger voters.

Clinton/Hickenlooper. Not a bad combo at all. I like it.

misterhighwasted

(9,148 posts)
15. Warren needs to be promoted to the Treasury and on to the Supreme Court when the moment arrives.
Fri Apr 3, 2015, 09:39 PM
Apr 2015

But we need a Masterful Team to bring the voters out, in order to also vote out the GOPteabillies in Congress & Senate and change the balance there.
With that balance tipped to the Dems once again, Warren can easily be nominated to the US Supreme Court where she can justly care for America.

That's how I see the process playing out to best put the GOPTeaP back in a corner.

Oh ya, and give the remarkable Statesman, Senator Bernie Sanders a place tailor made for him.

Backwoodsrider

(764 posts)
60. I hope 10 more aggressive women like Warren
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 01:08 AM
Apr 2015

are getting ready to get into politics and I hope those 10 ladies cause 10 more...

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
74. I sincerely doubt that Hillary will appoint Warren or Sanders to anything that powerful.
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 06:52 AM
Apr 2015

I will be happily astonished if Hillary does not appoint folks like Larry Summers and Rahm Emanuel to run things in the Third Way manner.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
140. Bingo.
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 06:16 PM
Apr 2015

I am very bothered by how many people, and not just here on DU, don't understand how totally retro Hillary Clinton is. If she is elected, we won't have a single new person in the upper levels of government, just many of those who were in husband Bill's circle, and many of those who are thoroughly in the pockets of big banks. I wouldn't put it past her to appoint a Koch brother as head of the Fed, and try to spin it as finding a common ground with them.

AndreaCG

(2,331 posts)
144. Warren is a little old for the court
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 10:48 PM
Apr 2015

Isn't she 66? The preference is for those in their early 50s. I believe Elena Kagan was 50 when appointed. She will be 55 this month in any case.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
156. Oh, hey, I think the talk of appointing Warren to SCOTUS is hot air meant to divert and pacify, I
Sun Apr 5, 2015, 03:46 AM
Apr 2015

don't take it seriously at all. The Third Way and the banks have made it publicly and perfectly clear that they want Warren to sit down and shut up - do I think a hypothetical corporate president would appoint her to anything at all? Haha! No.

calimary

(81,410 posts)
162. Not sure we should take a Dem governor out of circulation though.
Sun Apr 5, 2015, 03:42 PM
Apr 2015

We invite tons of trouble when we leave a statehouse unguarded.

Now one of the Castro brothers ... THAT is interesting! Would also put them on the fast track to the White House in their own right since the VP position is usually "heir-apparent" stuff.

Besides , it'd be deviously delicious to cut in front of the "inevitable" george p bush and deny him "first Latino" status.

I kinda LIKE how it's the Dems who break the ice. WE produced the first female on the big ticket (Mondale's VP nominee Geraldine Ferraro). WE produced the first viable female candidate in the primaries (Hillary) and WE produced the first AfricanAmerican PRESIDENT. This is OUR territory. NOT the bad guys'.

ohnoyoudidnt

(1,858 posts)
45. I don't think candidates pick anyone until they get they win the primary.
Fri Apr 3, 2015, 11:43 PM
Apr 2015

I'm sure she had choices in mind, I don't know if that list is public.

 

AtomicKitten

(46,585 posts)
152. thanks
Sun Apr 5, 2015, 02:25 AM
Apr 2015

FTR I was being facetious. Some here consider the nomination a fait accompli, just like last time.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
8. I am thinking one of the Castro brothers buy if O'Malley shows well maybe him.
Fri Apr 3, 2015, 09:18 PM
Apr 2015

We also have Tim Caine and if we searched a little more there are candidates.

 

HERVEPA

(6,107 posts)
9. No reason to believe your premise. VP pick generally has little impact. (Sarah Palin excepted)
Fri Apr 3, 2015, 09:21 PM
Apr 2015

And Obama would have won anyhow no matter who McCain picked.

 

HERVEPA

(6,107 posts)
99. Nope. Dems are not winning Texas. And if they for some reason did, then the election wasn't close.
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 02:14 PM
Apr 2015

MADem

(135,425 posts)
102. If they can force the GOP to have to spend money to win TX, that's a good thing.
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 02:28 PM
Apr 2015

And who knows? We'll have to see how he does on the stump. I don't think Jeb's nasty children will be much help to him, except for maybe Jorge P, who has cleaned up his act long enough to get some stupid little low level land management gig down that way. He's got his eye on bigger things, I'm sure.

former9thward

(32,058 posts)
133. You may not be familiar with TX government structure.
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 05:35 PM
Apr 2015

Land commissionaire is one of the most powerful state wide positions -- especially since TX has a weak governor form of government.

George P. Bush was elected Texas land commissioner in a landslide Tuesday, winning a little-known but powerful post that could eventually lead to higher offices and becoming the first in his family's political dynasty to win his first race.

The Texas land commissioner advocates for military veterans while administering the state's publicly held lands and overseeing mineral rights for oil and gas concerns. The office also controls revenues from that booming sector, which feeds the Permanent School Fund and which helps pay public education costs. The fund recently surpassed Harvard University's as the nation's largest educational endowment.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/midterm-election-2014-george-p-wins-texas-election-accomplishes-bush-family-first/

I think the Bush people told him to run for that office for a reason.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
147. I am quite familiar w/TX form of government--and it's not a "weak governor" system anymore.
Sun Apr 5, 2015, 12:49 AM
Apr 2015

Hasn't been for a while, in fact. It's what makes politics in that hellhole rather interesting.

It used to be as you describe--very much so, under Bush, but that has changed in the last decade and a half. It's not due to the constitutional nature of the job, it's more due to "cult of personality." Perry crafted a little "club," and one of his good ol' boys has succeeded him in the Boss Man job. The members of that little club have been schooled in the "Go Along, Get Along" style--and crossing the governor is now far more risky a proposition than it used to be back in the "Go do the job and stay out of the papers" days.

Here's some background for you:

http://www.vanityfair.com/news/politics/2012/01/rick-perry-201201

So little did many Texas journalists think of Perry that it took years for them to realize how thoroughly he had consolidated power. Until Perry, Texas was known as a “weak governor” state, meaning the governor has little control over state agencies such as Transportation and Agriculture. “Texas agencies are all run by boards and commissions, all appointed,” says Paul Burka. “Even our two strongest modern governors, John Connally and George W. Bush, appointed people and told them, ‘Just go do your job and stay out of the papers.’ That’s what Bush told people. Until Perry, the governor never ran the agencies. The governor was not considered a chief executive officer. What Perry did was [he told people] if you wanted to be on a board he would appoint you, but only on the grounds that you had to do what he told you to. Perry determined policy. No other governor has done that. Not one.”



http://www.texastribune.org/2013/07/08/weak-governor-system-strong-governor/
...Perry, because of his tenure and the methodical placement of former staffers throughout the government, changed all that, turning a weak office into a powerful one. It’s hard to remember how it used to be.


http://www.texasmonthly.com/topics/rick-perry
For most of history, Texas has been considered a “weak governor” state. That changed under Perry’s leadership. “His long tenure in office … has enabled him to establish what amounts to a cabinet style of government,” giving him vastly more power than any of his predecessors, senior executive editor Paul Burka wrote in 2009.



http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/26/us/the-slow-process-of-removing-rick-perrys-footprint-from-texas.html

.... it takes six years to run through a full cycle of appointments, and a governor’s term is only four years.

This setup is designed to drain the power of the occupant of the Governor’s Mansion, which in turn empowers the leaders of the Legislature. If they wish to do so, a speaker of the House and a lieutenant governor can run rings around a governor.

The people who deal with state government used to take this as one of the laws of their peculiar universe, embodied by lieutenant governors like Bill Hobby and Bob Bullock and, for a couple of years, Mr. Perry and Bill Ratliff.

It has eroded considerably, mainly because Mr. Perry has now been governor for so long, and because he understood better than most how to consolidate the ordinarily anemic powers given to him.

Mr. Perry has vetoed 301 bills. Aside from pushing that legislative work into the trash bin, his vetoes had the effect of letting everyone know that he was willing to kill things he did not like. His first session as governor was, in this sense, the bloodiest: He ended that one with 83 vetoes.


Now, open this link, watch the video there, and listen to what Rick Perry had to say about his successor--they're on the same page, and his acolytes are Abbott's acolytes:

http://video.statesman.com/Governor-Rick-Perry-speaks-on-Greg-Abbotts-win-28104486


And last, but most certainly not least, check this out:
http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2013/07/greg-abbott-the-next-rick-perry
.... in the hyperlitigious Abbott, Texas Republicans have a replacement who may just do the impossible—make progressives miss Rick Perry.

That's because for most of the last decade, the actions that have done the most to harden Perry's anti-Washington reputation have really been the work of Abbott. While lacking the coyote-sniping public swagger of the current officeholder, Abbott, whose office is independent of the governor, has been leading the state's legal challenge to virtually every notable piece of legislation that's come out of Washington in the Obama era.


As for Jorge P., there's no reason to believe that he, like others, isn't in the "Perry Club." If he plays his cards right and doesn't rock the boat, he could do very well indeed. The GOP "faux cabinet" has been successful by circling the wagons around the governor. It doesn't look like that style is changing, but it is early days yet--time, as it always does, will tell.

calimary

(81,410 posts)
166. You better believe they did!
Sun Apr 5, 2015, 03:56 PM
Apr 2015

They're already planning his ascension to the Oval Office. World's Biggest Entitlement Program: the bushes' presumption of some "divine right" to lead. I suspect they fancy themselves as the"American Royal Family" - aiming to take that "title" away from the Kennedys.

He's being groomed. For absolute sure. Take that to the bank. We need to render that campaign thoroughly stillborn.

misterhighwasted

(9,148 posts)
10. Julian Castro would dessimate the GOP's chance in 2016 & also provide some very long coattails.
Fri Apr 3, 2015, 09:28 PM
Apr 2015

He is loved & carries zero baggage.
He would win on his smile alone.

Julian Castro would make Jeb Bush's Hispanic agenda invisible.

HE would bring voters out en masse.
I have no doubt that he's is the Ace Card.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
12. I'm with the Julian Castro group...young, squeaky clean Hispanic and in-training for
Fri Apr 3, 2015, 09:30 PM
Apr 2015

President. Hispanics have traditionally under-voted but are, I believe, the largest minority. This is a "bootstraps" story, too. Grandmother was an immigrant, raised by single mother who was very active in leftist politics, a darling 4 year old and lovely wife. He will help any Presidential candidate.

justiceischeap

(14,040 posts)
20. Elizabeth Warren
Fri Apr 3, 2015, 09:55 PM
Apr 2015

It makes sense. She's endorsed Hillary and stated time and again she's not going to run for President but has never said she wasn't or wouldn't run for VP.

justiceischeap

(14,040 posts)
73. I agree she should stay in the Senate
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 06:44 AM
Apr 2015

But it does clear up some of the prevarication some see her employing about a Presidential run.

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
21. I like Castro, but
Fri Apr 3, 2015, 10:13 PM
Apr 2015

may I offer another, one that woudl actually be some red meat to the left, but also help secure Ohio, so that we do not need to worry about Rick and Jeb stealing florida.

SHERROD BROWN!

OilemFirchen

(7,143 posts)
91. Baggage?
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 12:08 PM
Apr 2015

Whatevs.

But Ted Strickland may be the better choice. He likely won't win his Senate run and leaving Brown in place is imperative for Ohio.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
101. The only thing that comes to mind is that he was late paying taxes a couple of times.
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 02:24 PM
Apr 2015

He paid the fees, the penalties and interest, so I don't think it's a big deal. But that kind of thing can be blown up out of proportion in a national race. I don't think he has the national footprint, myself.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
97. He's Hispanic?
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 02:07 PM
Apr 2015

I think it's past time for a quarter of the population to be represented in the executive branch, along with fifty percent of the population. A Clinton-Castro ticket would do that.

Brown is a nice fellow, make no mistake, but he doesn't resonate the way Castro would.

 

beachbum bob

(10,437 posts)
23. no to Joe, yes to Elizabeth Warren
Fri Apr 3, 2015, 10:46 PM
Apr 2015

an exciting all female ticket that solidifies democrats, progressives, women and minorities thru out america and will bring red states in play in the general election

elleng

(131,041 posts)
29. Dems have ignored him for years.
Fri Apr 3, 2015, 11:17 PM
Apr 2015

They were/are friends, Arkansas etc. Hillary should know his value (as should all Dems,) and he surely should have a role in any Clinton administration. (VP probably not the best place for him. Sec. Def, National Security, State.) I'm NOT holding my breath, tho.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
155. You do know he recently split from his highly regarded spouse of forty plus years?
Sun Apr 5, 2015, 03:29 AM
Apr 2015

And he's taken up with a very youthful woman, who was not even born when he took his wedding vows...? He couldn't get elected dogcatcher if he offered to work for free in a town full of wild and rabid dogs.

People are using the "No fool like an old fool" remarks almost as much as they did with Rupert Murdoch and his last failed marriage.


http://pagesix.com/2013/08/12/despite-dating-a-woman-less-than-half-his-age-gen-wesley-clark-is-still-not-divorced-from-his-wife-of-46-years/

Plus, he has some business interests that would be problematic, even if his personal life wasn't a mess.

appalachiablue

(41,166 posts)
158. Unfortunate, seems to happen to many later in life. That plus his age might eliminate
Sun Apr 5, 2015, 08:37 AM
Apr 2015

him from a notable post then, plus not really making inroads into the Dem. Party like he wanted. Bright and capable otherwise.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
159. Very unfortunate, especially given the enormous age disparity.
Sun Apr 5, 2015, 03:09 PM
Apr 2015

70 and 32 is just too much of a gap, especially when the 32 year old looks like she's 18 and he looks every minute of 70.

appalachiablue

(41,166 posts)
161. I checked out your link, seems very pathetic esp. since he was regarded as respectable, not a
Sun Apr 5, 2015, 03:27 PM
Apr 2015

wolf type especially like Arnold, Edwards, Bill, et al. And Webb's 3rd is also very young. Bill Maher's with a 31 year old, he's 58 I read. Lot of it going around- yuck.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
165. I have met both of them, back when he was on active duty.
Sun Apr 5, 2015, 03:53 PM
Apr 2015

He was a bit brusque (he wasn't having a good day--really, a good series of days--at the time), she was lovely. A very nice woman who didn't throw her weight around (some of them can wear their spouse's rank). I think he's gone what they used to call "Middle aged crazy" even though he's closer to "Elderly crazy" at seventy.

Maher, at least, is honest. He has said he will never get married (funny, though--he's reaching the age when many men, like Clooney and Warren Beatty, suddenly decide to "settle down" -- are they looking for a bride or a nurse?). He got in a MESS with a former Delta flight attendant who tried to sue him for palimony, but that got laughed out of court, given his many public statements on his views re: commitment. I know people who knew her--they concur with his view that she was extorting him. I think that made him a bit more cautious. He doesn't hang on to girlfriends for very long, it's just shy of a business arrangement as far as he's concerned.

Not sure how Webb does it, but he manages to keep his ex-wives happy, to the point where they'll even campaign for him. John McCain has the same talent--I guess they are both the type of personality where the ex-spouses are the ones who are glad to be rid of them, or something!!

appalachiablue

(41,166 posts)
167. I can def see Maher entering a stable arrangement or marriage. Lately he's referred to 'looking at
Sun Apr 5, 2015, 04:09 PM
Apr 2015

60' a few times. Happens to the best of 'em, like old Beatty. McCain made a settlement/arrangement with his last wife, who has a medical condition, maybe a slight disability, not to talk negatively and she depends on him, or rather Cindy financially I believe. I liked Webb when he came out and won that race against Macaca Allen, and I met him at a law school conference in 2006 in Arl., but what I've read lately makes me much less tolerant, not the spin, but stuff he's saying. Think maybe his time passed, c. 2000-2008 or something. Now some stuff is coming out about O'Malley's past with Balto. Police and minorities- it will be interesting.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
168. I don't think McCain made any deal with Carol. He signed over his retirement to her
Sun Apr 5, 2015, 07:12 PM
Apr 2015

and their houses as a condition of the divorce, plus she gets alimony still and she is covered under TRICARE for Life as an unremarried military spouse. She is quite disabled as she was in a car accident (bad one, too--she damn near died) that crushed her legs and ended up costing her a great deal of her height. She was a former model when she married her first, abusive husband--McCain was not abusive (if you don't count infidelity as abusive, I guess), he adopted her kids--those "boys" of his from her are her ex-husband's-- but when he came home from Vietnam, he'd changed, she'd changed and it just wasn't happening. She knew he was screwing around, she just didn't think he'd want to move on, and that came as a surprise to her. There was sadness but no sustained hard feelings. It was 'over' way before Cindy, even though he diddle-daddled about getting the divorce. He was the Pig on the Hill when he was up at OLA--cut a wide swathe through the secretarial pool and left a lot of young ladies offended and pissed off, all the while playing the war hero card and networking. The wikipedia on Carol pretty much lays it all out:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carol_McCain

She also continued to work after the divorce, and had jobs in the Saint Ronnie of Raygun presidential campaign effort (working for Nancy) as well as the White House and elsewhere. She was an early pro at the "Event Planning" game. She's retired now.

I will say this--there was a reason that McCain, unlike his father AND his grandfather, didn't make it to Flag rank, despite being a POW and from a family of Admirals. He should have been a shoo-in. It didn't have to do with his conduct running OLA (it runs itself, pretty much--there are a lot of careerists there) but it did have to do with his conduct "off duty" as well as his attitude after he came home. He was an asshole who didn't work and play well with others--and he didn't "fit in" with the rest of the senior leadership, he just didn't know how to rein it in.

appalachiablue

(41,166 posts)
169. Some of that about McCain's wife I recall now, yes their split was amicable. During the 2008
Sun Apr 5, 2015, 07:37 PM
Apr 2015

campaign I was stunned when his brother, Joe McCain who I'd never heard of, remarked that John was up there (in NoVA) campaigning in Communist country! WTH? Relic of the Bircher era I guess. Looked him up, only thing noted was he's a dinner theatre actor? You might know. Neither strike me as too bright, but you have to give the McCain men credit for seeking out heiresses, a real talent. Military careers don't pay too well and many sons of respectable families resorted to that path absent land or money- not all. There are very good professional military men and women of course. That does reminds me of Lee, and Maria F. Custis the heiress of Arlington House, another weird arrangement, 4 unmarried daughters. I think the McCain's formidable mother Roberta might still be alive. Wild John was in HS at the old Episcopal Seminary school on W. Braddock in Alexandria and known for carousing around in his little red convertible or smthg. BTW, that's a handsome, cutie in your pix, love doggies-

MADem

(135,425 posts)
170. Love this place-you learn something new every day!
Sun Apr 5, 2015, 11:52 PM
Apr 2015

Never knew old Grouchy Gramps had a brother!! And while his ability to snag an heiress is remarkable, if he'd kept his head down and made flag, he could actually live well on that retirement--of course, someone like him would get the appointments to boards that bring in a lot of extra bacon, and the TV spots as an "expert" on anything military, even if he had no experience with that particular issue, weapons platform, or region of the globe. I mean, it's nothing in terms of raking it in like Cindy's Beer Fortune money, but enough for a fine life.

Roberta, Grouchy's mom, IS still alive--can you believe? Shes a HUNDRED AND THREE!!!! Her twin sister died in 2011 but she hasn't given up yet--good for her. I will say when I heard that she drove all over Europe in her nineties she gave me hope for my own old age--of course, they wouldn't rent her a car because of age discrimination, so she had to buy one...she basically signed a lease and then gave it back when she was done with her trip--it worked out to about the same at the end of the day. I did think that was a "hot shit" move!

I love those westhighland dogs--I've had a few, and they are feisty little shits who have an independent streak. Super-smart, loyal, tough, and relentless...and great "varmint hunters" if you have a need for that sort of things!

appalachiablue

(41,166 posts)
171. The Wiki on Joe McCain, 6 yrs. younger than Johnny has more info. incl. the wild comment
Mon Apr 6, 2015, 03:26 PM
Apr 2015

in 2008 about 'commie' Arl. & Alexandria, where he lives! Seems to be a colorful character. I remember Roberta from the 2008 campaign interviews- a healthy, attractive, strong & outspoken lady. Also the car she bought & drove in Europe, good for her. Believe it that she's still here at 103, not her twin sister though they have very good genes. Father was a wildcatter oilman I think; both women rec'd. plenty of catcalls when near naval ships. ~ (Now it's clear why Maher often called Sarah Palin a 2rd rate 'air hostess', he would know. I appreciate issues raised on 'Real Time', though not all of Bill's POVs or guests).

Politicians & celebs are a continual source of entertainment (& bummers). Here you come across so much, eg a recent post setting the record straight Re Gary Hart & Fawn Hall? of 'The Monkey Business' affair. Came out in an article how she was a paid consultant. Well there you go, just a professional relationship, conducted on a party boat. OK! ~O'Malley mentioned Gary Hart who he assisted in an interview a few months ago. I'd forgot all about the Hart's & wife Lee. When will Johnny Edwards return to the scene? Arnold just spoke out about the Indiana debacle.

WESTIES are feisty cuties indeed. I had Spaniels, a beautiful, loving & strong, female red & white party color (with freckles) & a little runaway feller, part Tibetian Spaniel we think. Loved both, need more but in transition for now.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
26. This is like reading Miss Cleo on the psychic friends network.
Fri Apr 3, 2015, 11:14 PM
Apr 2015

These predictions crack me up everytime.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
31. The VP slot is almost meaningless in getting people to vote
Fri Apr 3, 2015, 11:19 PM
Apr 2015

for the ticket.

I was very unhappy in 2000 with Al Gore's selection of Joe Lieberman. Very, very unhappy. It was still not quite enough to make me not vote for him. And it's impossible to imagine a VP selection on either side that would move significant numbers of voters to cross party lines.

Joe Biden has been a terrific VP, but it makes no sense of any kind for him to do it again.

I also don't get this nonsense that Elizabeth Warren should stay in the Senate because she can do so much more good there. Really? More good than she could do as President? But more to the point, I have NEVER before heard this reasoning. No one ever suggested John Kennedy should remain a Senator, or John McCain, or Barack Obama, or, well you get the idea. I could continue the list by naming lots and lots of other Senators who've run for President with varying degrees of success, and Elizabeth Warren is the only one people think shouldn't be looking at a little upward mobility.

Why is that?

qwlauren35

(6,148 posts)
132. Warren in the Senate
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 05:11 PM
Apr 2015

I don't see her becoming president and as VP, she becomes virtually powerless. I don't see VP as a step up from Senator. President, yes. VP, no.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
139. Well I think she should be running for President
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 06:13 PM
Apr 2015

and that Hillary Clinton is an exceptionally bad idea as President.

When Hillary first ran in 2008 no one, least of all here, ever suggested she should remain in the Senate where she could do the most good.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
38. Oh boy would that be an exciting, forward-facing ticket
Fri Apr 3, 2015, 11:29 PM
Apr 2015

Enough change to make you want to drool into your creamed corn

BainsBane

(53,041 posts)
55. I don't know where these political conclusions of yours come from
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 12:31 AM
Apr 2015

but they are strange, to say the least. I'm amazed anyone is taking this thread seriously.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
47. if its Hillary she needs to add
Fri Apr 3, 2015, 11:50 PM
Apr 2015

Some degree of sex appeal. Some degree of youth. I think Bill Richardson would be great even though he isn't young he would seal the deal

elleng

(131,041 posts)
61. Won't happen. He doesn't have much political support.
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 02:05 AM
Apr 2015

(Should have been Pres.)

Would be best for Sec. Def, National Security, Sec. State.

Sancho

(9,070 posts)
75. Clark has a lot less recognition and support than some VP candidates?
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 07:17 AM
Apr 2015

Off the top of my head:

Sarah Palin
Joe Liberman
Jack Kemp
Dan Quayle
Lloyd Bentsen
Geraldine Ferraro
Walter Mondale
Spiro Agnew
Edmund Muskie

The majority were virtually unknown to anyone except political junkies until they were put on a national ticket. After they ran, they became better known (usually as much for losing or doing something stupid), but outside of their home state, the majority of voters never heard of many of them before being tapped for a VP run.

elleng

(131,041 posts)
89. Each of those you mentioned held significant political positions
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 10:45 AM
Apr 2015

before being nominated for VP, and as I recall, most here at DU didn't think much of General Clark when he DID run. Thousands of us DRAFTED him to run for POTUS.

I was (and am) a strong supporter of his, and am also familiar with the negative b.s. many raise when his name comes up. It is just that, b.s., but imo he has little or nothing going for him in support of a VP candidacy, public support-wise. I'll eat my hat (HAPPILY!) if Hillary (or another Dem candidate) selects him to run as VP.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
154. He's ready for Hillary, but he dumped Gertrude for a thirty year old who wasn't even born
Sun Apr 5, 2015, 02:58 AM
Apr 2015

when he married his wife. He has children older than the paramour. No idea if they're still together, but that was a real mess. An exhibition of very poor judgment. Plus, he is (or was) serving as an advisor to the head of Romania.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/gen-wesley-clark-cites-indignities-divorce-papers-article-1.1425560

https://twitter.com/GeneralClark/status/534475789417603073

http://pagesix.com/2013/08/12/despite-dating-a-woman-less-than-half-his-age-gen-wesley-clark-is-still-not-divorced-from-his-wife-of-46-years/

http://www.romania-insider.com/retired-us-general-wesley-clark-becomes-an-adviser-to-romanias-pm-victor-ponta/60392/

On those issues alone, the media would have a field day. He's not a good candidate for anything save private life, and perhaps lending "support."

pnwmom

(108,990 posts)
53. Why not Gavin Newsom, 47, Lt. Gov. of CA, former mayor of San Francisco?
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 12:14 AM
Apr 2015
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gavin_Newsom

Gavin Christopher Newsom (born October 10, 1967) is an American politician. He is the 49th and current lieutenant governor of California, after being elected in 2010 and re-elected in 2014.[1] In 2003, he was elected the 42nd Mayor of San Francisco, the city’s youngest in a hundred years.[2] Newsom was re-elected in 2007 with 72 percent of the vote.[3][4] In 2010, a Samepoint study named Newsom the Most Social Mayor in America’s largest one hundred cities.

In 1996, San Francisco Mayor Willie Brown appointed Newsom to serve on the city’s Parking and Traffic Commission, and then as a member of the Board of Supervisors the following year. Newsom drew voter attention with his Care Not Cash program, designed to move homeless people into city-assisted care.

Newsom graduated from Redwood High School and Santa Clara University. He has co-founded 11 businesses, 10 in which family friend Gordon Getty has been an investor.

In February 2015, Newsom announced he was opening a committee to run for governor of California in 2018

Or Gary Locke, former 2-term Governor of Washington, Secretary of Commerce, Ambassador to China?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Locke

There are plenty of good candidates who aren't on the Eastern seaboard.

NBachers

(17,133 posts)
56. Gavin is telegenic, but he's still Junior League. Let him continue on his own path.
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 12:35 AM
Apr 2015

I remember during the last Democratic Convention. The camera lingered on Gavin, as if savoring a future Democratic leader. I can see him as VP, but not as president, at this point.

pnwmom

(108,990 posts)
57. The subject of the OP is who would be a good VP choice. You said you can see him as VP.
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 12:47 AM
Apr 2015

He's in his 2nd term as Lt. Gov. of a huge state.

No one's saying that the Castro brothers are junior league, and I'm not aware that they're more experienced. Are they?

Retrograde

(10,143 posts)
120. But he's from (gasp!) San Francisco
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 03:47 PM
Apr 2015

Which makes him practically a clone of Nancy Pelosi!

I think Newsom will make a fine governor, and I hope that he will get some more national attention, but the fact that he was mayor of San Francisco - and should get some credit for starting the same sex marriage campaign - is going to give the right wing a lot of fodder for attack ads.

The West Coast gets ignored too much, except when it's time to ask for money. There are some good potential candidates - I'm partial to Jackie Spieir - who don't get media attention because they're quietly doing a good job.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
143. Lived in NoCal for many years...he lacks charisma. He might make Governor
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 07:28 PM
Apr 2015

because he has been around for quite a while and didn't get into any trouble that I know of.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
66. He cannot serve if she becomes unable to.
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 02:19 AM
Apr 2015

And no one wants to re-live all that personal and political baggage, especially after the passage of time has exposed the "wisdom" of his policies.

Besides, it's not as though he has to be VP before she can get his input.

And the nepotism would shout from the rooftops. It's bad enough as it is with the Clintons and the Bushes.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
172. You sure about that?
Mon Apr 6, 2015, 04:44 PM
Apr 2015

He wouldn't have been "elected" to the office of POTUS. Constitutional scholars differ. I'm on the side of "he could do it" though I doubt he would want to.


....What if Hillary picked Bill as her running mate? A Post reporter rashly dismissed the idea as unconstitutional. But that only proved the dangers of unedited journalism. The answer, it turns out, is not so simple.

A subsequent sampling of opinion from professors of constitutional law, former White House lawyers and even a couple of federal judges reveals a simmering disagreement on whether a president who has already served two terms can be vice president. Some agree with the conclusion that the presidential term limit embedded in the Constitution bars someone such as Clinton from returning to the White House even in the No. 2 slot. Others, though, call that a misreading of the literal language of the law. ..... On its face, that seems to suggest that Clinton could be vice president because he is only barred from being elected president a third time, not from serving as president. That's the argument of Scott E. Gant, a partner at Boies, Schiller & Flexner in Washington, and Bruce G. Peabody, an assistant professor of political science at Fairleigh Dickinson University in New Jersey. The two wrote a law review article in 1999 called "The Twice and Future President" and reprised the argument this summer in the Christian Science Monitor.

"In preventing individuals from being elected to the presidency more than twice, the amendment does not preclude a former president from again assuming the presidency by means other than election, including succession from the vice presidency," they wrote. "If this view is correct, then Clinton is not 'constitutionally ineligible to the office of president,' and is not barred by the 12th Amendment from being elected vice president."....

Others share that opinion. Three former White House lawyers consulted by The Washington Post (two who served President Bush and one who served Clinton) agreed that the amendment would not bar Clinton from the vice presidency. A federal judge, who noted that he has "no views on the matter," said the plain language of the amendment would seem to allow Clinton to "become president through succession."


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/19/AR2006101901572.html


merrily

(45,251 posts)
173. Yes, I am as sure as one can realistically be.
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 04:00 AM
Apr 2015

Last edited Tue Apr 7, 2015, 04:57 AM - Edit history (2)

"Consitutional scholars differ." Realistically, how would this SCOTUS would decide?

Moreover, the intent seems relatively clear from the language of the amendment, given that no past President until that time had ever returned to serve as Vice President.

As you read the language, remember, Truman served out most of FDR's last term. Seems as though 8 years was the max contemplated.

Technically, the amendment exempted Truman because he was serving when it was ratified in 1951. (If it had not exempted him and his Veep, that failure would have raised other Constitutional issues.) But for the exemption, he would not have run in 1952, assuming he wanted to. As he was, he chose not to.


Section 1. No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once. But this article shall not apply to any person holding the office of President when this article was proposed by the Congress, and shall not prevent any person who may be holding the office of President, or acting as President, during the term within which this article becomes operative from holding the office of President or acting as President during the remainder of such term.

Section 2. This article shall be inoperative unless it shall have been ratified as an amendment to the Constitution by the legislatures of three-fourths of the several states within seven years from the date of its submission to the states by the Congress.




And, supposedly, the reason two terms were chosen was that George Washington had declined to serve a third term.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty-second_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

If true, that would suggest that the Framers of the 22nd Amendment and those who ratified it had two terms in mind--and, as already stated, the language of the amendment itself suggests that as well.

The goal was to avoid one person rule, something approaching a monarchy or dictatorship, beyond two terms. Let's say Hillary was the victim of something that rendered her unable to serve within days of her inauguration. That would give Veep Bill three terms. If those who amended the Constitution thought 3 terms were acceptable, they could have and would have said that, but they did not.

And, just what Democrats need: a constitutional controversy about whether the women who want to be President like her husband was a while back can legally be succeeded by her husband as Vice President. Not to mention re-living in full force (as we will have to to some degree anyway), all Bill's tendencies.

What is the actual goal of your reply? I had not been under the impression that you are eager for a Clinton Clinton ticket.

ETA: As far as constitutional scholars differing, they differ about almost everything that the SCOTUS has not yet decided and a quite a few cases that the SCOTUS has decided. The court itself has often split 5-4, including before this especially partisan court. So, I don't find their differing on this either surprising or especially significant.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
174. I don't think your POV would prevail.The "actual goal" of my reply was to challenge your assertion.
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 02:01 AM
Apr 2015

That doesn't mean I'm in favor of a "Clinton Clinton ticket," but this is a discussion board and your ready insistence that this was an impossibility doesn't seem to be accurate--the "scholars" in the article who (loosely) take the opposing view don't appear to have their shit together, either.

It's not about what Democrats would want, or need--it's about working through a hypothetical. Bill Clinton, serving as VP, would only run into trouble if he had to fleet up to the Presidency for more than two years, the way the law is currently written. Perhaps he'd have to choose a VP and vacate the gig after two years--but that would likely be sorted out if it ever happened (and that's unlikely but there's no harm or foul in sketching out the possibilities).

There's no limit on the number of times a person can serve as Vice President. Biden could jump on the ticket again if he was wanted. Most people don't realize that, but it's true.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
175. My analysis was based on language history and the
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 02:05 AM
Apr 2015

nature of the current SCOTUS, while I am not sure what yours was grounded in.

But, you are entitled to your opinion.

the "scholars" in the article who (loosely) take the opposing view don't appear to have their shit together, either.


It was your link. But, sure, only you have your analytical shit together, not the scholars who take the side opposite of yours and not I. Whatever.


MADem

(135,425 posts)
177. Mine was grounded in the comments of (cited) constitutional lawyers. I think they're right, and
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 02:07 AM
Apr 2015

you aren't.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
178. As your post said, Constitutional scholars differ. Again, you are entitled to your OPINION.
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 02:10 AM
Apr 2015

BTW, relying on scholars on one side of an issue is not an analysis at all. Neither is a rant like your reply 174, but whatever.

We have different views on the matter. what a shock. I am leaving it there. last word is yours, if you want it.

Response to CK_John (Original post)

yellowcanine

(35,701 posts)
77. VP picks don't decide elections.
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 07:24 AM
Apr 2015

Really they don't. Only one in my lifetime I can think of where the VP MAY have influenced the outcome is the 1960 Kennedy Nixon election - Johnson probably helped Kennedy carry Texas but Kennedy would have won even without Texas so even there it is not clear cut.

LondonReign2

(5,213 posts)
82. Is this Onionesque satire?
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 08:42 AM
Apr 2015

If so, brilliant!

I mean, 1) VP candidates NEVER decide the election, 2) playing the inevitable card, 3) Joe Freakin Biden.

Well done.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
83. Personally...
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 09:07 AM
Apr 2015

...the VP pick has almost no bearing on who I vote for. A perfect VP doesn't make up for a sucky candidate at the top of the ticket.

But you can certainly believe anything that you like.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
103. Please ignore him... Attacking other DUERS without cause seems to be his raison d'etre.
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 02:32 PM
Apr 2015

I do find your prognostications interesting to say the least but I don't see anything nefarious behind them...

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
105. Oh really?
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 02:37 PM
Apr 2015

Stating one's honest opinion, is "Attacking other DUERS without cause"?

Perhaps you prefer I just shut up and get back under the bus with the rest of the professional leftists, eh?

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
106. The guy made a fairly innocuous observation...He's one of DU's most inoffensive posters...
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 02:40 PM
Apr 2015

He obviously felt hurt, hence my remarks of consolation.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
108. Yeah, sure. That's what happened.
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 02:44 PM
Apr 2015

You didn't jump all over me without cause. Of course not.

Bless your heart.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
121. "...to rescue CK_John from his sorrow and despair."
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 03:57 PM
Apr 2015

Of course, what else could have prompted your unprovoked attack on me? Yes, his "hurt feelings" from a rather unambiguous comment HAD to be behind your dig at me.

Bless your heart.

Generic Brad

(14,275 posts)
84. Amy Klobuchar
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 09:43 AM
Apr 2015

She will help. She won't hurt. She is inclusive. She is not controversial. And she is competent.

Yupster

(14,308 posts)
117. I think that would be a very strong pick
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 03:35 PM
Apr 2015

no downside and competent and really pushes the women thing.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
87. You haven't noticed the polls for Joe Biden have you?
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 09:59 AM
Apr 2015

You realize he is more popular among Democrats that all the other potentials behind Hillary Clinton?

Joe Biden is a popular guy...how that hurts her I have no idea....desperation I guess.....which causes someone to falsely believe his isn't popular... and hoping she picks him and hoping he accepts....wow just wow....!

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
93. When has any VP choice decided an election?
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 12:14 PM
Apr 2015

If she is such a poor candidate that she needs a possible VP to carry her then maybe we need a different nominee.


Yupster

(14,308 posts)
116. Maybe Lyndon Johnson
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 03:34 PM
Apr 2015

for Kennedy.

Worst VP pick was Hannibal Hamlin for Lincoln. Before that it was traditional to take a prez and vp from north and south or south and north.

Joe_Biden

(8 posts)
122. Thank you, my friend.
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 04:01 PM
Apr 2015

I would refuse the honor to be a heartbeat away again, but I sincerely appreciate any kindly mention I can get these days. Here's a cheek pinch and an an arm squeeze and a back pat for your troubles. God bless you and your family and your dogs and cats and your neighbors and any strangers you might meet on your travels this weekend in America, the land that I love.

uppityperson

(115,678 posts)
123. Welcome to DU Joe. I am having a barbeque next weekend, would you grace us by joining us?
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 04:13 PM
Apr 2015

Do you have any dietary restrictions?

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
125. I'm sure he's the twin that will accede, but he's too young and needs time in DC
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 04:39 PM
Apr 2015

to make up for his short political history. HUD Secretary is, I believe, the start of that training. In 8 years, he'll be ready to carry on and help empower Leftist Democrats.

I'm going to guess that Joaquin has his sights set on the Governor's Mansion in Texas. That being the case, Texas will also start a turn towards at least Purple.

TBF

(32,084 posts)
134. Kennedy was 43 & Julian is only a few years younger at 40
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 05:39 PM
Apr 2015

but I agree that the baby boomers will want someone older. He'd make a fantastic VP from a southern state (very popular ex-mayor of San Antonio). And, yes, I would love to see Joaquin as governor of Texas. He's fantastic as well.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
142. He also looks younger than he is and he lacks the all-important circuit in DC.
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 07:17 PM
Apr 2015

Kennedy had wealth, family history, and had mastered politics to some extent. Plus, he was extraordinarily good looking...and also Jackie and her family background. They looked like the typical American family.

Julian has a lovely wife, and a charming daughter, but the country...regardless that Hispanics are the largest minority...needs more time to relate to a Tejano family in the White House. But following on the first Black President, next likely the first Woman, then the first (Liberal) Hispanic...America will be officially diversifying.

I love being a Democrat.

GoneOffShore

(17,340 posts)
119. I really wish that there was someone else to run for President.
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 03:47 PM
Apr 2015

Oh, wait, there are other possible candidates, but they're not the anointed Clinton.

I try to be cynical, but I just can't keep up.

 

davidn3600

(6,342 posts)
127. Pollsters tend to agree that the VP pick doesn't do much as far as gaining votes in the election
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 04:46 PM
Apr 2015

People barely pay enough attention to the main candidates.

Most Americans probably can't even tell you who the current Vice President is.

Joe_Biden

(8 posts)
131. I hope so.
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 05:07 PM
Apr 2015

I would never ask you if you're really icymist, not that there's anything wrong with it. Just kiddin, pal. How the hell these smilee things work?

Joe_Biden

(8 posts)
146. Well, I WAS getting ready to watch my VCR
Sun Apr 5, 2015, 12:36 AM
Apr 2015

where I recorded the end of Wisc-UK (I was having dinner with the King of someplace while the game was on) BUT I made the mistake of checking into DU first and SOMEBODY posted the outcome of the game in their post headline. So I'm having the Secret Service look into that for me.

qwlauren35

(6,148 posts)
130. No, it has to be someone young.
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 05:01 PM
Apr 2015

We've seen that a VP candidate can ruin an election. Palin was a disastrous choice for McCain. Admittedly, a white male would help, but the main thing is that it be a relatively young person with amazing political savvy.

 

rjsquirrel

(4,762 posts)
135. How about
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 05:39 PM
Apr 2015

John Edwards?
Rosie O'Donnell?
Sarah Silverman?

Biden, bless his heart, ain't gonna work.

unblock

(52,285 posts)
180. people like to think the veep selection influences the presidential election, but it really doesn't
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 02:25 AM
Apr 2015

sure, in an extremely close election you can find a thousand things that might have swayed the result the other way, but the overwhelming majority vote the top of the ticket and/or the party and/or the presidential campaign issue du jour.

there are very few people who vote one way because of the veep selection who honestly would have voted the other way given a different choice of vp. and for those few, one could probably find an equal number who did just the opposite.

 

villager

(26,001 posts)
181. "Pretty fucking dicey:" "Let's just say there was a little misunderstanding. Somebody didn't get
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 02:59 AM
Apr 2015

...something they were supposed to get. And somebody got a whole lot more than they bargained for."

http://www.theonion.com/articles/biden-to-cool-his-heels-in-mexico-for-a-while,17996/

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