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madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 10:51 PM Mar 2015

Cartoon. "Hateful" Hoosiers’ store window running out of space.

Hateful Hoosiers’ Window Space

Finally, I drew a cartoon about Indiana. No, I haven’t really been waiting for a reason to pick on Indiana though I wonder how this will fly since I do have a little sister, a little brother and quite a few nieces and nephews up there. I doubt they’ll see it.

But yeah, I got to hit Indiana. It seems there’s always something stupid coming out of Texas, Florida and Arizona giving me an opportunity. Earlier today I drew a custom cartoon for a publication in Utah which you’ll see Sunday. But now Indiana has decided to doing something Neanderthaleriffic. You really gotta hate somebody to refuse to take their money.


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Cartoon. "Hateful" Hoosiers’ store window running out of space. (Original Post) madfloridian Mar 2015 OP
Good stuff MF. 99Forever Mar 2015 #1
Pretty much to the point. madfloridian Mar 2015 #2
Great cartoon Gothmog Mar 2015 #3
Let the bigots hang their bigoted signs if they love the new law, because NOT having a sign Fred Sanders Mar 2015 #4
It really blows my mind. madfloridian Mar 2015 #12
And they might get their way except for the pesky social news, pesky good economy and the pesky constitution. Fred Sanders Mar 2015 #13
good one! Liberal_in_LA Mar 2015 #5
Like open season for bigotry. madfloridian Mar 2015 #23
Yup. SoapBox Mar 2015 #6
Love the cartoon...crazy when one thinks hey we actually live in a cartoon world Thekaspervote Mar 2015 #7
really wacky father founding Mar 2015 #8
Ha. I guess we do. madfloridian Mar 2015 #11
I did not know you had that talent. That's very good, thank you. n/t jtuck004 Mar 2015 #9
Thanks, I wish it were my talent. madfloridian Mar 2015 #10
Pence says they are not going to change the law. madfloridian Mar 2015 #14
If the law doesn't specify otherwise, then Christians can discriminate against anyone. madfloridian Mar 2015 #15
specifically states that the belief doesn not have to be central to the theology of the faith salin Mar 2015 #16
Well, I hope they don't have a lot of Baptists of the Southern kind. SBC madfloridian Mar 2015 #17
my poor wording salin Mar 2015 #18
Yes, teaparty influence very great. madfloridian Mar 2015 #20
and they have extremely well paid operatives to push their agenda salin Mar 2015 #21
That bubble should read. "Hey Al, lets put a hold on our expansion plans" nt Snotcicles Mar 2015 #19
Yep. madfloridian Mar 2015 #22
Wow, IND senate bill in Feb. 2015...let religious based hospital discriminate against employees madfloridian Mar 2015 #24
only one sign needed "ONLY IGNORANT PEOPLE ALLOWED" Skittles Mar 2015 #25

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
2. Pretty much to the point.
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 11:00 PM
Mar 2015

When you refuse to sell to someone you are hurting yourself. Such a simple concept.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
4. Let the bigots hang their bigoted signs if they love the new law, because NOT having a sign
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 11:23 PM
Mar 2015

is guaranteed by supreme federal law.

How long would such a bigoted and hateful business stay open with even one of these 19the century signs?

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
13. And they might get their way except for the pesky social news, pesky good economy and the pesky constitution.
Sun Mar 29, 2015, 11:24 AM
Mar 2015

And the twice elected pesky President controlling the Executive Branch and military...what else to do but throw a Hail Mary?

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
14. Pence says they are not going to change the law.
Sun Mar 29, 2015, 01:35 PM
Mar 2015
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/03/29/religious-freedom-gays-indiana/70628300/

ndiana Gov. Mike Pence defended his state's new religious freedom law Sunday while refusing to say if it would allow discrimination against gays and lesbians.

Facing a rising tide of criticism and business boycotts against his state, Pence said he would consider a second law that "amplifies and clarifies" the first one but added, "We're not going to change the law."

"We have suffered under this avalanche for the last several days of condemnation, and it's completely baseless," Pence said on ABC's This Week. "This isn't about disputes between individuals. It's about government overreach.

"I'm working hard to clarify this," Pence said. "We're reaching out to business leaders."


And good old Betty Bowers said it best:

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
15. If the law doesn't specify otherwise, then Christians can discriminate against anyone.
Sun Mar 29, 2015, 02:44 PM
Mar 2015

On the basis of their faith.

Am I right?

salin

(48,955 posts)
16. specifically states that the belief doesn not have to be central to the theology of the faith
Sun Mar 29, 2015, 02:54 PM
Mar 2015

the frame is that there is government overreach that people need protection from (though he couldn't point to a single example.)

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
17. Well, I hope they don't have a lot of Baptists of the Southern kind. SBC
Sun Mar 29, 2015, 02:56 PM
Mar 2015

Because they are against most everything.

What does "theology of the faith" mean? Am I dense?

salin

(48,955 posts)
18. my poor wording
Sun Mar 29, 2015, 03:18 PM
Mar 2015

the action taken - that is protected - does not have to be a central belief of the person's faith.

So if I feel that it is against my faith to have women in authority roles within my business because I believe that it isn't the natural role of women in my faith tradition (I am making this example up, btw), I can have protection even though the issue of the role of women is not a central teaching/belief in my religion.

I think that is the gift to the teaparty of the Hobby Lobby ruling - and why so many rw legislatures are wading into this right now.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
20. Yes, teaparty influence very great.
Sun Mar 29, 2015, 03:49 PM
Mar 2015

There may be more sensible people than teapartiers but they are loud and pushy and have billions of Koch money behind them.

We should not doubt their power is great.

Your paragraph is good:

So if I feel that it is against my faith to have women in authority roles within my business because I believe that it isn't the natural role of women in my faith tradition (I am making this example up, btw), I can have protection even though the issue of the role of women is not a central teaching/belief in my religion.


Makes sense to me.



salin

(48,955 posts)
21. and they have extremely well paid operatives to push their agenda
Sun Mar 29, 2015, 03:58 PM
Mar 2015

The Hobby Lobby ruling extended the exemption beyond those methods of birth control that went against church doctrine.

These post HobbyLobby Religious Freedom bills/laws being pushed at statehouses - attempt, imo, to take that expansion given in the HobbyLobby case and codify it as state law.



madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
24. Wow, IND senate bill in Feb. 2015...let religious based hospital discriminate against employees
Sun Mar 29, 2015, 07:19 PM
Mar 2015

based on their religious beliefs.

Begs the question...what can they do to patients in the name of religion?

http://www.indystar.com/story/news/politics/2015/02/03/ind-senate-oks-bill-allowing-religious-discrimination/22808421/

The Indiana Senate passed a measure today that would allow religious-affiliated organizations such as hospitals and universities to discriminate against employees based on religion, even if they receive state contracts.

The Republican-controlled Senate voted 39-11 in favor of Senate Bill 127, which would allow faith-based recipients of state funds to hire employees based on religion. It would also allow those organizations to require employees to follow certain religious tenets.

But Sen. Karen Tallian, D-Portage, said the language that would let employers require adherence to religious tenets goes further than federal law.

“This is outrageous,” she said. “How many tenets must you conform to? Do you have to go to church every Sunday? Can you eat meat on a Friday.”
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