If what one of the persons on CNN is saying is correct

[malaise]

this mass murderer was planning this for ages. He said that the co-pilot had glided across said French Alps.

[Cleita]

1. That is truly 'effed up if he was thinking about this for that long. eom

[malaise]

2. This is everywhere today - don't know if it's true

http://www.torontosun.com/2015/03/28/one-day-ill-do-something--and-then-everyone-will-know-my-name-germanwings-co-pilot-to-girlfriend
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The co-pilot suspected of deliberately crashing an airliner, killing 150 people, had told his girlfriend he was planning a spectacular gesture so "everyone will know my name," a German daily said on Saturday.

The Bild newspaper published an interview with a woman who said she had had a relationship in 2014 with Andreas Lubitz, the man French prosecutors believe locked himself alone in the cockpit of the Germanwings Airbus on Tuesday and steered it into the French Alps, killing all on board.

"When I heard about the crash, I remembered a sentence ... he said: 'One day I'll do something that will change the system, and then everyone will know my name and remember it'," said the woman, a flight attendant the paper gave the pseudonym of Maria W.

"I didn't know what he meant by that at the time, but now it's obvious," she said. "He did it because he realized that, due to his health problems, his big dream of working at Lufthansa, of a having job as a pilot, and as a pilot on long-distance flights, was nearly impossible."

[Cleita]

4. Sometimes with bi-polar people, you don't know what to think.

The last guy I worked for was usually a kind and affable sort, but he suffered from bi-polarism and there were times when he was in one of his mental states that he truly used to scare me. So far he hasn't committed murder or hurt anyone, but I guess you never know how far it can go.

[enlightenment]

7. Then, obviously

we need to permanently incarcerate everyone suffering from "bi-polarism" - because you never know when they're going to snap.

Maybe we should just return to the days of frontal lobotomies? That used to be the go-to treatment for those dangerous and unpredictable people.

Honestly, Cleita - did you think about what your wrote? "So far he hasn't . . ."? Really?

[Skittles]

8. if someone is scary, you think about it

I used to wonder about my dad - I guess we were lucky when he offed only himself

Cleta said nothing about confinement or lobotomies - just relaying a personal experience

I don't know the answers but dealing with mental instability CAN BE SCARY

[enlightenment]

12. It was scary for you.

And I'm sorry for that . . . but that doesn't give you, Cleita, or anyone else some divine right to stigmatize those suffering from mental illness. Claiming personal experience doesn't do it - even claiming a mental disorder doesn't do it. One size does not fit all. Full stop.

No, Cleita, didn't say anything about confinement or lobotomies. I did - because those are natural extensions to the train of thought. To suggest that a person suffering from a mental illness is just a step away from committing an act of violence against others is ignorant.

It is as much a stereotype - and a broad one - as any other nasty remark about someone based on their race, religion, ethnicity, or any other difference.

And to be honest, I was very surprised to see it coming from Cleita, who rarely makes such a misstep. Surprised and saddened.

[Cleita]

14. Those natural extensions seem to occupy your mind not mine.

It's been years since I thought of lobotomies and only then when reading about the Kennedy sister who had been given one.

I didn't stigmatize anyone. I just stated an observation. Have you been drinking or something? Because your train of thought seems to have nothing to do with mine. Bi-polar disorder is a clinical definition not a stereotype. btw I didn't even mention that diagnosis regarding the pilot although it has been stated in the news, but only about my former employer who was medically diagnosed as bi-polar and he shared that with me because he obviously knew he was going to display symptoms to me at one time or the other. I also stated that they were scary because they were and that isn't a stereotype nor a nasty remark.

[Cleita]

9. Wow. That was quite a jump to suppositions of what I was thinking when I said that.

Maybe you are missing your calling as a mind reader. I only wrote what I observed with this one person and he legitimately scared me at times. When I said he hadn't harmed anyone up until now, I meant that most people with that illness don't. But it doesn't mean he couldn't if the circumstances were right because no one really knows how far an episode will go. btw he a doctor, a surgeon, who can't practice his speciality anymore because of his disease. There is a reason why he isn't allowed around vulnerable people by the medical community. That's just a real life observation from me, not a judgement.

[Skittles]

10. a terrible disease

I wish they would pour money into researching mental illness instead of funding endless senseless wars

[Cleita]

11. Oh, God would that be a miracle!

Think of what it would do to help end homelessness and other social ills in this country.

[enlightenment]

13. Cleita, if that is what you meant,

then it is what you should have said. How you can expect anyone to extrapolate your secondary explanation from your original statement is beyond me.

I'm sorry you're offended by my reaction, but what you wrote was poor. Very poor.

[Cleita]

15. Well, if your objection is to my writing then say so. I'm not a professional.

It doesn't change what I said. You actually accused me of some very vile things that I neither said nor thought. You should be ashamed.

[CTyankee]

17. Yes, I worked for a boss who was bi-polar but I didn't know she was.

I simply had to leave after 4 years of constant uncertainty as to which "Diane" I would see every day, the one who was "my best friend" or the cold one who hated me. I didn't know she was bi-polar until after I left in despair. I found out later that she knew she had the diagnosis for bi-polar but I guess she was just not taking her meds.

[Cleita]

18. Yeah, it's hard when you don't know.

At least he was honest with me and told me. It didn't stop the episodes from being scary but at least I knew it wasn't personal.

[CTyankee]

19. They don't take their meds because they say they don't "feel like themselves"

on those meds. I get that but others are also affected and you just can't willingly inflict that on people who have done nothing to make your life worse...

I gave up on that boss and just got the hell out...

[Kingofalldems]

3. As an aside I was watching Fox news the other day

and they seemed quite upset that this was not Islamic terrorism.

[Cleita]

5. That whole network and the people who run it are altogether another whole kind

of psychotic.

[malaise]

6. Terrorism is terrorism

but some folks always get a pass - Fuck Fox!

Mass murder is terrorism but it doesn't further their fugged up agenda.

[Yo_Mama]

16. Yes, but the gliding wasn't part of the planning.

He had been in the gliding club since he was fifteen. His knowledge of and love for the Alps may have influenced his ditching trajectory (if so, we're lucky, because what if he had tried to take out a small town as well?), but he wasn't planning to do this when he became a pilot.

[malaise]

20. True re taking out a small town

I know he was part of the gliding club, but he had dreams of being a transatlantic pilot on Lufthansa.

If he actually said that he would do something that would make folks remember him, then he was planning something for some time.

We're all thinking about the relatives and friends of the murdered, but we should spare a thought for the rescuers who haven't found one intact body yet. These are not really first responders either.