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cali

(114,904 posts)
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 01:39 PM Mar 2015

Teaching Evolution to Students Who Say They'll Pray for My Soul

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I was originally reluctant to take my job at the university when offered it 20 years ago. It required teaching three sections of nonmajors biology classes, with 300 students per section, and as many as 1,800 students each year. I wasn’t particularly keen on lecturing to an auditorium of students whose interest in biology was questionable given that the class was a freshman requirement.

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I realized early on that many instructors teach introductory biology classes incorrectly. Too often evolution is the last section to be taught, an autonomous unit at the end of the semester. I quickly came to the conclusion that, since evolution is the foundation upon which all biology rests, it should be taught at the beginning of a course, and as a recurring theme throughout the semester. My basic biology for nonmajors became evolution for nonmajors. It didn’t take long before I started to hear from a vocal minority of students who strongly objected: “I am very offended by your lectures on evolution! Those who believe in creation are not ignorant of science! You had no right to try and force evolution on us. Your job was to teach it as a theory and not as a fact that all smart people believe in!!” And: “Evolution is not a proven fact. It should not be taught as if it is. It cannot be observed in any quantitative form and, therefore, isn’t really science.”

We live in a nation where public acceptance of evolution is the second lowest of 34 developed countries, just ahead of Turkey. Roughly half of Americans reject some aspect of evolution, believe the Earth is less than 10,000 years old, and that humans coexisted with dinosaurs. Where I live, many believe evolution to be synonymous with atheism, and there are those who strongly feel I am teaching heresy to thousands of students. A local pastor, whom I’ve never met, wrote an article in the University Christian complaining that, not only was I teaching evolution and ignoring creationism, I was teaching it as a non-Christian, alternative religion.

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Some students take offense very easily. During one lecture, a student asked a question I’ve heard many times: “If we evolved from monkeys, why are there still monkeys?” My response was and is always the same: We didn’t evolve from monkeys. Humans and monkeys evolved from a common ancestor. One ancestral population evolved in one direction toward modern-day monkeys, while another evolved toward humans. The explanation clicked for most students, but not all, so I tried another. I asked the students to consider this: Catholics are the oldest Christian denomination, so if Protestants evolved from Catholics, why are there still Catholics? Some students laughed, some found it a clarifying example, and others were clearly offended. Two days later, a student walked down to the lectern after class and informed me that I was wrong about Catholics. He said Baptists were the first Christians and that this is clearly explained in the Bible. His mother told him so. I asked where this was explained in the Bible. He glared at me and said, “John the Baptist, duh!” and then walked away.


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http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2015/03/teaching_human_evolution_at_the_university_of_kentucky_there_are_some_students.html

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Archae

(46,369 posts)
10. Some critter named "Leviathan" is said to be a dinosaur.
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 08:53 PM
Mar 2015

Even though "Leviathan" is really nebulous in description.

hunter

(38,340 posts)
4. Most high school biology texts are crap.
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 02:27 PM
Mar 2015

The first chapter in these texts ought to be evolution, a truthful "In the beginning..." as opposed to the whimsical and metaphoric bronze age tales of Genesis.

But evolution is usually caged off in it's own section so timid teachers can dance around it.

I think any kid who rejects evolution ought to flunk biology. Do not pass go, do not collect $200.

If you want to be a moron, do it on your own time, don't waste my time or your classmates' time.

Nothing in Biology Makes Sense Except in the Light of Evolution

-- Theodosius Dobzhansky

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
9. Even if they weren't,
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 08:49 PM
Mar 2015

there is a huge chasm between teaching college students and teaching minors. When you are teaching people's minor children, they tend to defend their parental right to teach their children their beliefs, and when they draw a line in the sand, they are generally going to win. Kind of like insurance companies will pay out on nuisance claims that are fraudulent, because it's cheaper to pay out than fight in court, school districts, admins, and teachers will stay silent or teach minimally.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
11. High school Biology texts follow the BSCS curriculum guidelines
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 08:55 PM
Mar 2015

they introduce evolution AFTER they introduce the concepts of genetics and cellular reproduction...

The basic organization of BSCS texts is small to big. While this has a 'logic' to it, it places what might be called "integrative biology' into the second half of the texts. In a year long sequence this places biotic diversity, evolution. and ecology in the later part of the year...where it is, imo, all to often not covered. That often leaves those students who go no farther a sense that biology is about taking things apart and has nothing to do with considering how things work when they interact as wholes and systems of interacting wholes.

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
5. I tell them thanks, but that they are wasting their time, because I'm already in heaven.
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 02:28 PM
Mar 2015

Then I suggest that it would be far more useful for them to pray for themselves, and that I hope that someday they will join me in heaven.

Their primary reason for them adopting christofascist belief systems is so that they can feel like they are better than everyone else. God sanctions their beliefs, as proven by the Bible, which the overwhelming majority of them are not even capable of understanding.

Their fear based belief system is a safe place for them, because it is a place they know is right, because it is sanctioned by God - the Bible tells them so. Consequently, they become more and more ignorant with each passing day, as most or all new information is dismissed, because they already know the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

Religious fanatics are dangerous people, and history makes this very clear.

CTyankee

(63,926 posts)
6. See, I think it is incredibly rude to tell a teacher you are praying for him/her
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 03:44 PM
Mar 2015

or to anybody for that matter, except maybe another of their faith but then they wouldn't have to pray for them would they? If they want to pray for the teacher or anybody just let 'em go ahead and pray for them...and keep quiet about it. I'm sure god is not impressed...

Igel

(35,383 posts)
7. Meh.
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 03:45 PM
Mar 2015

The best student in my high school biology class, the one who aced the evolution test, was a creationist. She had to stand up and explain it to the rest of the dolts in the class. She did so well. The teacher never knew she was a creationist.

I talked to a PhD student in molecular biology at a tier 1 university. Most U. Kentucky biology faculty would have lept at the chance to be lured away to this university. This student was about to defend his dissertation and had a couple of published articles in prominent peer reviewed journals and some conference papers already under his belt. He was also a young-earth creationist. You can't do molecular biology without being firmly grounded in an in-depth knowledge of evolution and how to apply it. He said he found it to be a very useful tool (okay, "heuristic&quot . Yet he also believed that while that's where all the facts pointed and he used it routinely to make predictions that were borne out, his personal religious beliefs pointed elsewhere. He didn't apply evolution to angels and God; he didn't force young-earth creationism on the observable facts or deny the conclusions from evolution to molecular biology. As he put it, you can argue about Darth Vadar's motives and the propriety of Annikin Skywalker's choices and them or agree about them based on evidence that you can observe in the text; having a strong opinion doesn't make them true facts, however you arrange and organize them. He had no alternative explanation for the observed facts. The theory that accounted for all the facts didn't need to be true. He was at peace with this. He assumed that the search committees he had interviews lined up with would be less at peace with them. This led to a lot of stress in his life.

I tell my high school students that evolution is where the observable facts lead. They don't like it, they're free to come up with some alternative theory--but if they want to have it considered science, they need to use the constraints on science. Parsimony is one such constraint, as is plausibility. Accounting not just for the data we see but also for why we don't see the data we don't observe is another. We went over cetacean evolution in detail; various theories of life's origin; how our understanding of dinosaurs and saurian relationships/evolution has changed from when I was a kid to now and why; origins of bipedalism and cranial capacity development, and even how examining the inside of hominin skulls can show you things about how the brain itself, nowhere fossilized, was developing and changing. I told them they were expected to know the observed facts; they were expected to be able to say how the facts produce a fairly coherent narrative, even if we keep playing with the hominin "family tree" as new fossils and new interpretations of old fossils surface. Nobody had a problem with this, even though there are some young-earthers in my classes. (The exceptions were insincere--they want to learn nothing and try to apply a "shut it down" strategy.) I also said that the true test of a scientific theory is whether it's testable, and what matters in practice is whether a theory leads to successful predictions and applications. Nothing's beat evolution for advancing biology.

At the same time, I also insist on pointing out that biological science and evolution, so far, hasn't done much to advance moral understanding. We assume all men are created equal not because biology has anything to say about just moral systems but because we believe this to be so; biology's just come along and showed cross-racial similarities are strong and cross-racial differences, while they exist, are trivial. Utilitarian systems all rely on a shared set of assumptions about what "good" outcomes are--and at times societies have different rather sharply on what "the good" is. We can sit around and say that the One True universally agreed upon good is X, but "we" all have a common upbringing and training--and shared assumptions.

This lets them keep their idiosyncratic belief systems while seeing that evolution is a useful tool. I'm not into converting them. I'm into getting them to understand; belief is not required except among zealots. It's like quantum mechanics: It's a damned useful "theory" that's resulted in so much advancement of physics and so many applications that it's really fact. But many physicists have trouble believing that it's really true when you get to the details of what it says about how reality must be structured. Belief in the ultimate claims aren't so important as awareness that the claims it makes about day-to-day activities are valid and true. (Compare this with physics' current "young-earthers," the string theorists: They manage to account for a lot of things and many have firm beliefs, but it's not testable. Around the edges some argue that string theory is more of a belief or faith than "real science," but at the same time much of science relied on quackpots that had unproveable hypotheses ... until they found evidence to support them.)

Which was the point of the PhD candidate in molecular biology.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
8. Funny thing re my teaching col. & univ. bio for 30 years... evolution isn't that hard to teach.
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 05:19 PM
Mar 2015

colleges and universities reflect the communities upon which their paying clients/students come from...

Now, that of course begs the questions of what and where, etc...

Well the church schools I taught at were Presbyterian and also Roman Catholic. I DID turn down a job offer at a church related college in the Chicago suburbs that required -every- class to begin with a prayer.

The Roman Catholic school I taught at also focused on inner-city women as their target customer. That school was really not keen on teaching about evolution of humans from earlier primates, but otherwise didn't care. The students themselves seem to think evolution in a bio class didn't help them become nurses.

The students at public universities in Arkansas were absolutely the most resistant to evolution. Students at Bemidji State in MN were middle of the road difficult, as I would say for non-majors at Univ of Wisconsin Eau Claire while students at Texas AM in College Station ate up evolution and population genetics and never seemed to have any doubts about it at all.

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