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Where are the bills to change how police are prosecuted for brutality? Using a prosecutor or even a special prosecutor, from the same State, is a conflict of interest
Where is the outrage from the government at the senseless, constant, beatings and murders of young, black men, all people of color and the mentally ill?
Where are the regulations to stop police from shooting unarmed people?
Where are the reparations for all the people who have been wrongly pulled over, ticketed, fined, for the sole purpose of revenue for the towns and cities across the country?
Why haven't the police departments that the DoJ have found are racist been disband?
Why are there no charges against the cops, or at least the Chiefs, in all the departments that have knowingly used unfair, racist practices that have caused so very many people harm?
Speeches on anniversaries of major civil rights events mean absolutely nothing when police are beating, torturing, killing our brothers and sisters and NOTHING is done to stop it.
This has to end!
There are all graphic and heart wrenching
Eric Garner KILLED After NYPD Cop Put
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St Louis police officer shoots Kajieme P :
John Crawford Video and 911 Call Released in Death of Man :
Interrogation of Tasha Thomas (who died January 1, 2015)
Video Of John Crawford 's Girlfriend :
The child, Tamir Rice Shooting Video: Tamir Rice Shooti :
Tajai Rice thrown down, cuffed and thrown in vehicle trying to reach her little brother
Cleveland police handcuff Tamir Rice's sister aft :
COPS BEATING HOMELESS MAN KELLY THOMAS TO DEATH ( :
Beating of Martese Johnson 3/18/15:
Indiana Police Smash Window To Use Taser On Passe :
There are 241 incidents of police brutality in this song
Call the Cops - Rob Hustle ft. Bump:
#BlackLivesMatter
Wella
(1,827 posts)the endgame of the elites is not about securing the rights of the people but about consolidating control. Militarization fits right in with this latter goal.
marym625
(17,997 posts)Thank you.
There was a comment on the Facebook page of the idiot senator that recently asked for horror stories about the ACA that I completely believe is correct. "The Republicans would kill us all for the right bribe."
The problem is, the Democrats are not doing anything either
Wella
(1,827 posts)That's why checks and balances are ALWAYS necessary. That's why the First Amendment is crucial.
Unfortunately, I believe we've been sold out, and I think it happened a long time ago. We're just seeing the effects of about 100 years of planning. I hope to God I'm wrong.
marym625
(17,997 posts)In my life. I believe that most Democrats, at least at the federal level and many at the state level, have sold us out as well.
Except for a few, even if they vote the right way for most things, they are not actively trying to change anything. They are not screaming with us. They are not listening to our needs.
Just fucking sucks.
Wella
(1,827 posts)I'm sorry to be a downer.
marym625
(17,997 posts)So no worries.
I do to. And I have never been so positive I did the right thing when I decided not to bring any children into this world
Wella
(1,827 posts)That's one reason why I dearly hope there is something beyond this mortal coil.
Would be nice but I have no illusions of heaven after death. Or hell
Wella
(1,827 posts)I guess there's always ice cream.
I know that the TPP and a few other really important thing are taking off around here. But this just has me outraged. It's the controlling arm of the kill them off if you can't buy them off government. Every one should be screaming from the roof top
Wella
(1,827 posts)What do you do when your fellow citizens are not paying any attention? The TPP threads should be burning up the board. Instead, it's a struggle to keep them in play.
Oh and....
But it's 25 degrees here. Can I have some hot chocolate instead, please?
Wella
(1,827 posts)marym625
(17,997 posts)Thank you!
Wella
(1,827 posts)marym625
(17,997 posts)daleanime
(17,796 posts)Some of us are on diets.
Wella
(1,827 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)100 years? bs.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)really great questions.
The simple answer is that black lives are still not valued in this country 150 years after the American civil war ended.
Apparently whatever it will take to change that has not occurred.
Truly good questions. Hope it gets many more responses.
marym625
(17,997 posts)But the post is a flop. I guess the TPP is just too hot right now. But we really have to insist, strongly, loudly and non stop that this insanity ends.
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KitSileya
(4,035 posts)Valuing black lives shouldn't be based on how they treat each other, it should be predicated on the fact that they are human beings, with all the rights, dignities, and value that is inherent in being a human.
I don't think you'll get to stay here long, so enjoy it while you can,
Edited to add - I was right. Bye, bye racist.
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marym625
(17,997 posts)Probably the same kid tthat posted on my Martese Johnson post. Sad jr.high school kid with no friends sitting in his basement.
KitSileya
(4,035 posts)before they could expect others to respect them enough not to shoot them at leisure. Claimed that Eric Garner and the others caused their own deaths by not being saints - all of it typical racist drivel that too many spout, even here on DU.
marym625
(17,997 posts)What's even sadder about that, especially with DUers, besides the obvious racism, is how lazy they are to believe that. If they actually read and researched they wouldn't believe it. Though, I don't believe they all do believe it. Those are just outright, blatantly, not even trying to fool themselves that they're not, the racist pigs they are
ileus
(15,396 posts)Until folks are willing to take safety and security into their own hands, they'll keep shelling out, rolling over and being subjects for the "professionals" and those professionals aren't going to agree to be defanged.
marym625
(17,997 posts)Someone asked why all the kids around Martese didn't step in and stop it. You know damn well someone would have died.
We are their slaves. I know, being an older, white woman, the likelihood of something happening to me, even at a protest, is minimal. But one way or another, those that say that hate big government, are making us all their property. And if we don't pay the piper, they'll make their money off us another way.
duhneece
(4,124 posts)...and young black women, young and old of every shade, but usually poor, but not always...being killed by law enforcement IS being raised. That's step one. The past 6 months have opened my 64 yr old white faced eyes...and we are talking about it, organizing, considering options...it's a long road ahead of us, but I do have hope.
marym625
(17,997 posts)I am losing mine.
duhneece
(4,124 posts)...and truth told, Maryme, I do at times.
After I read Shock Doctrine, I lost nearly all hope about everything.
After I read The Better Angels of Our Nature by Steven Pinker AND took some action, my hope was renewed. I am a 64 yr old liberal-pinko-commie and gently vocal-was an accountant working for a CPA firm for years here, very quiet publicly. With friends, we pushed for a Citizen Board for our police/community...it has, in fact, been set up as a toothless feel-good presentation by the local police, but we're going to work to change that. Our 'city' has 31,000; our county has 62,000..I've helped organize lots of other 'progressive' rallies, volunteer time with the county Democratic Party and all of that fuels my sense of hope. I listen to older activists and realize it's just a matter of being on the side of the most vulnerable, least powerful, most overlooked and undervalued folks that my activism here and now is about. It usually 'feels' like we're just a handful of progressives, but actually doing something is something I have to do for my own sanity.
And dance & eat chocolate.
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dariomax
(71 posts)?
marym625
(17,997 posts)I know all were ruled homicide but that means nothing for prosecution.
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)of reversing that course, all slick rhetoric about body cameras and pretty intentions aside.
Huge K&R. Thank you for this important OP.
You are right. What we need is for the militarization programs to be ended.
We need a public, national database on police violence toward citizens.
And we need relentless attention from the DOJ to cases of police violence until this garbage stops.
But we are already receiving relentless messaging that we have no right to expect or demand actual reversal of the militarization. Cameras on the militarized police is the ONLY bone that has even been mentioned, and we were expected to cheer in delight at that empty concession by our corporate masters.
The militarization of our police is federally driven, bipartisan, and as much a part of the growing police state as the mass surveillance, prison industrial complex, and assaults on journalism, other political protesters, and whistleblowers.
The occasional pretty, empty rhetoric being offered is not a first step to anything. This administration has vastly expanded the obscene militarization of our police forces. That obscene militarization continues, to the point that we now regularly see photos in our newspapers that look like something out of Afghanistan. There is ZERO sign on the horizon that actually REVERSING a vicious, malignant policy is even being considered.The Obama administration's escalation of police militarization
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/06/aclu-police-militarization-swat_n_2813334.html
It's almost certain that if the police agencies cooperate, the ACLU will find that the militarization trend has accelerated since Kraska's studies more than a decade ago. All of the policies, incentives and funding mechanisms that were driving the trend then are still in effect now. And most of them have grown in size and scope.
The George W. Bush administration actually began scaling down the Byrne and COPS programs in the early 2000s, part of a general strategy of leaving law enforcement to states and localities. But the Obama administration has since resurrected both programs. The Byrne program got a $2 billion surge in funding as part of the 2009 American Recovery and Reinvestment Act, by far the largest budget in the program's 25-year history. Obama also gave the COPS program $1.55 billion that same year, a 250 percent increase over its 2008 budget, and again the largest budget in the program's history. Vice President Joe Biden had championed both programs during his time in the Senate.
The Pentagon's 1033 program has also exploded under Obama. In the program's monthly newsletter (Motto: "From Warfighter to Crimefighter" , its director announced in October 2011 that his office had given away a record $500 million in military gear in fiscal year 2011, which he noted, "passes the previous mark by several hundred million dollars." He added, "I believe we can exceed that in FY 12.
Then there are the Department of Homeland Security's anti-terrorism grants. The Center for Investigative Reporting found in a 2011 investigation that since 2001, DHS has given out more than $34 billion in grants to police departments across the country, many of which have been used to purchase military-grade guns, tanks, armor, and armored personnel carriers. The grants have gone to such unlikely terrorism targets as Fargo, N.D.; Canyon County, Idaho; and Tuscaloosa, Ala.What we need is for the militarization programs to be ended.
We need a public, national database on police violence toward citizens.
And we need relentless attention from the DOJ to cases of police violence until this garbage stops.
But we are expected to cheer, because now there may be cameras on the officers in our militarized police state. We are to accept that the militarization itself is an acceptable "new normal."
This is textbook MO of our new corporate-ruled government. Implement unconscionable new authoritarian policy...then make some small concession that preserves the bulk of the new abuses, and seek adulation for that. You will know the corporate Third Way by their absolute refusal to entertain the possibility that the abuses should actually be reversed. You will know them by the incessant, malignant propaganda messaging that teaches us always to accept the "new normal," no matter how unconscionable it may be.
Militarized police, prison industrial complexes, impoverished communities, mass surveillance....They are all part of the new normal, the corporate police state being constructed around us.
We have to insist on reversal of the militarization itself. Our corporate government will never yield more than we demand.
We must not accept our militarized police forces as an acceptable "new normal" in the United States of America. Corporatists have no right to do this to us and to our country.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/posttv/national/what-weapons-are-police-using-in-ferguson/2014/08/14/4acf0920-23e0-11e4-8b10-7db129976abb_video.html
marym625
(17,997 posts)Thank you for your wise words and the information. There is absolutely no doubt that the privatization of everything, especially law enforcement, is part of a plan to control us all to a degree this country, as a whole, has never seen. Obviously women to some degree, and black people were controlled by the government to a greater degree at on time.
It's frightening.
Great to see you Woo!
bbgrunt
(5,281 posts)qwlauren35
(6,152 posts)Thank you for sharing.
Savannahmann
(3,891 posts)All lives matter. Life is precious, and we as a people should take it only as the last resort after all other avenues have been ruled out.
Gandhi told us something about violence that I've never forgotten. I object to violence because when it appears to do good, the good is only temporary; the evil it does is permanent.
The problem is with the marketing in society. Cops in movies, and TV are almost without exception good family people who are under a lot of pressure and when they use violence it's in a flashy choreographed manner that affects only those bad guys who really have it coming. The cop dispensing the beating, shooting, or whatever is a great guy/girl who is determined to stand up against inexpressible evil.
Look at the TV shows. A handful of cops against nearly unlimited numbers of bad guys. Fighting for their lives, to avenge the murder of a pretty young woman, or a child, or whatever. Or they are strict professionals who are torn up emotionally when they must resort to violence. Adam 12 followed this meme. A little square, but good people who called everyone Sir or Ma'am no matter what color they were. The dedicated public servant. Starsky and Hutch, flashy but trying to catch murderers, violent robbery suspects, drug dealers. Lethal Weapon took down a grand conspiracy that used drugs and mercenaries to terrorize the public in Los Angeles.
Even when the cops are flawed, it was a one time thing, a moment of weakness in an otherwise long and distinguished and honorable career ala Black Rain. Those handfuls of movies where there are bad cops, the bad cops either get killed by the good cops, ala Lethal Weapon 3, or go to prison for the rest of their lives and who feel incredible remorse for their misdeeds.
Yet real life doesn't have the advantages of the moves. There is no script writer to make sure that the cops are only dispensing beatings to the bad guys. In the movies, the cops plant the evidence to pressure a bad guy into giving up information. Not sending him to prison for years.
So people judge the police based upon their own experiences. With one cop for every couple hundred people in this nation, it is likely that any interaction was passing by the guy at a high school football game. Or watching the cop wave them through an intersection with a damaged traffic light. They might have had a cop show up in school and tell them about how dangerous drugs are, or guns or whatever. So this reinforces the image that the cops are good.
The worst cop defenders and faithful followers are those on the fringes of the us. It's family and friends of police. Even if they see a cop doing something wrong on the video, they refuse to believe most cops are involved since Dad, Mom, Uncle Tom, Aunt Mary, Brother or Sister would never do anything like that.
People often laugh at a woman who stands up in court and tells the Jury that her child is a good boy or girl. Despite the video evidence showing the young hoodlum committing any number of heinous crimes. That is normal human nature. That is the intense desire to believe the best about your loved ones. Yet, nobody laughs when the families of cops stand up and say that they know this guy and the video was taken out of context, and he/she is a good person.
In reality, when the police do get caught and charged with wrongdoing, they face much more lenient penalties than the mere civilians do. An example, in Ohio a Police Officer who left a dog in his cruiser for four hot long hours and the dog died from Heat Stroke got a fine of $500. In Ohio causing the death of a police dog is a 4th Degree Felony.
No person shall knowingly cause or attempt to cause physical harm to a police dog or horse in either of the following,if the dog or horse is assisting a police officer in doing his official duties or the dog or horse is not assisting the officer but the offender has actual knowledge that the dog/horse is a police dog or police horse. This statute also covers handicapped assistance dogs. A violation of this statute where death results it is a Felony of the 4th degree( 6 months to 18 months in jail and a $5,000 fine ). Serious physical harm to the dog/horse it's a Felony of the 5th degree (6 months to 12 months and $2,500 fine ). Physical harm is a Misdemeanor of the 1st degree ( no time to 6 months & $1,000 fine). If no harm is involved it is a Misd of the 2nd degree ( no time to 90 days & $750 fine )
So the Officer didn't even get the maximum penalty for no harm involved annoying the dog, but we are supposed to believe that Justice is blind.
Time after time, criminal act after criminal act, the police are exonerated, or at worst, given a few days off with pay. That will teach them, take a free paid Vacation Mike, and don't do it again (wink wink).
Your question is not how we got here, I know that. It's when will it change. Honestly, it won't until a majority of the people recognize that the cops are not the heroes of fiction and modern entertainment media. Until the people realize how abusive and brutal the police really are. Until the people realize that the cops are usually the biggest liars in the court room, there is no hope.
marym625
(17,997 posts)And for the information. I completely agree. I will add that we need to get money out of politics, and I don't mean just elections.
The post above yours from Woo has great information about the privatization of America. It has to change. And we have to make it change.
qwlauren35
(6,152 posts)DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)There's no profit in it. That's how a bill is passed. Profits must be made.
The only profit they've found beyond the massive amounts of drugs sold by the rich in the inner cities, and the rent-to-own furniture stores whose deals work out to 1000% APR, and the check cashing/loan shylock stores that do the same thing in ripping-off poor people -- is the profits they've found in locking up the people and putting them in for-profit prisons.
Using a variation on the same business model of the slave traders who brought those young men's ancestors (and mine) here. Only this time the taxpayers (the middle class) get to pay for their passage instead of entrepreneurs looking to make a quick buck off human misery. They're still making money off misery, just in a different way.
- It continues to exist, because as a nation we tolerate it. Like everything else......
WASHPO: Obama orders review of military equipment supplied to police 08/23/2014
K&R
marym625
(17,997 posts)That's exactly it. And it's abhorrent.
I am writing to my senators and representatives, and won't stop, until legislation is introduced and passed to end this. I will do more but that is the first part of what I am doing.
Thank you again. It's always great to see you.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)It's all we have left.
marym625
(17,997 posts)Especially in this. It's the physical control the oligarchy has on us
Thank you
daleanime
(17,796 posts)marym625
(17,997 posts)KG
(28,753 posts)there might some fine speechifying but that's it.
marym625
(17,997 posts)One of the best speeches ever just a few weeks ago. Where is the back up for it?
It's very sad.
malaise
(269,263 posts)Institutional racism is loved and promoted by many in Congress
That's my point. It's horrific.
malaise
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)I am a member of SouthsidersforPeace, a social justice group based in the Beverly area of Chicago.
We have been hosting movies about racism, as well as forums.
We had a recent discussion about Ferguson where a number of Ferguson protesters came with a video and spoken presentation.
We most recently showed the movie "Tulia Texas" about the racist implications of the drug war.
We have shown "The house I live in" also.
We are planning a forum on the Chicago Police Department for April 25th at the Beverly Unitarian Church.
Information about us can be found at www.southsidersforpeace.org
We both know that there are many groups working on this issue, but progress is slow.
marym625
(17,997 posts)I would have helped. I would love to attend the next one. Was Brittany there?
I will contact you via private message later today. I have about a half hour before I have to get back to work
Thank you for all you are doing!
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)marym625
(17,997 posts)aikoaiko
(34,186 posts)In other words they don't exist
marym625
(17,997 posts)Thank you for bringing them up. I was neglectful not putting it in the OP.
Thank you!
aikoaiko
(34,186 posts)In reality they changed a little but of the wording with the appearance of tightening it up, but they also loosened it up by extending SYG to warning shots.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/florida-extends-stand-ground-include-warning-shots/story?id=24244906
aikoa
marym625
(17,997 posts)But I think it was in a State that loves god, government, , grift and gratuitous violence. And of course, racism and misogyny. But I couldn't think of words that start with "g" for those.
Thank you for the link. Such a sad state of affairs.
Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)marym625
(17,997 posts)Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)Maryland passed a bill mandating reporting on SWAT team activities.
Wisconsin passed a bill requiring an outside agency to investigate all police shootings.
There are probably a few more bills like that that have passed in various states.
This kind of thing requires working at the state legislative level, and that can be a real frustration.
At a local level, I would start demanding civilian review boards that actually have some teeth.
These are tough battles. The cops are the ultimate well-connected special interest group.
marym625
(17,997 posts)But federal legislation ending the militarization of the police has to happen as well. And some kind of law about use of force. Certainly about how the DoJ can act when such blatant racism us found throughout a department like in Cleveland and Ferguson.
Don't forget the horrible findings by Amnesty International about Chicago.
Though I agree that things have to happen at a State level, and that some States have started to move on it, the federal government has to step in when it is such a national nightmare
Thank you for your thoughts and the information
Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)The House bill has 44 cosponsors, but 42 of them are Democrats.
Also in the Senate as S 2904.
marym625
(17,997 posts)Did you see the chance of passing? 0%
So frustrating!
Thank you for the information and the link. Tracking the bills now
Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)But maybe some of those libertarian wing Republicans will take interest. Some of them dislike the police state more than they dislike black people.
Let's see if either of these bills even gets a hearing.
marym625
(17,997 posts)There's money in the militarization of the police and privatization of the prison system. So they'll just let it remain the status quo. Just like many of the Democrats
napkinz
(17,199 posts)nt
marym625
(17,997 posts)napkinz
(17,199 posts)woo me with science
(32,139 posts)marym625
(17,997 posts)And it doesn't look like there will be any slowing of it.
mother earth
(6,002 posts)marym625
(17,997 posts)mother earth
(6,002 posts)qwlauren35
(6,152 posts)All of your questions are legitimate, of course.
Somewhere on DU there was news of a poll that more (the majority?) of white people think that police brutality is justified. (I am paraphrasing.) This suggests to me that there are still some white people who are scared of black people, to the point where they think that we can randomly overpower a police officer.
I'm also glad that you included footage of police officers' treatment of black women. It's especially critical when you know that these women are highly unlikely to overpower a police officer, but they are still being brutalized.
Now, one of the things I see happening in some cases is that a lot of people think that police brutality is acceptable if the assailant has committed a crime. This is something that has historically been perpetrated on black people, especially right after the Civil War when vagrancy laws were enacted to sweep black men off the streets and into coal mines and chain gangs. I think that it is because at the time of the brutality, we are being accused of a crime (someone has forgotten innocent until proven guilty) that the changes you speak of and the laws that we need and the discipline and dismissal of brutalizing police is not happening. Criminals don't have rights in America. It's actually in the Constitution.
So, we need to fight for the rights of those being arrested or suspected of crimes. It's going to be an uphill fight.
marym625
(17,997 posts)What happens to people that are arrested, or even being arrested, in this country is horrific. I live in Chicago. I am well aware of the torture perpetrated on them, innocent people as well. It has to stop.
As far as women of color, I did a post or two specifically about how law enforcement treats them. Not at all surprisingly, the posts received little attention. I am not a professional writer, obviously, and I am positive what I said could be said better. But the subject should receive more attention because it is a huge problem.
I have seen some pretty bad responses on DU about how black men are treated by law enforcement. It makes me very sad to realize that even people, who may be considered liberal, can be so racist. I didn't see the poll though
Thanks for your reply.
A HERETIC I AM
(24,381 posts)marym625
(17,997 posts)I don't completely agree. We would have no cops if they were to only uphold some laws. But, I think if any cop that knows 9th another cop doing something wrong and remains silent, then no matter what else that first cop does, he or she is bad. Letting injustice go because of some code between cops doesn't excuse it. Justice is more important.
But I do like the idea of this and I appreciate your posting it.
Thank you
Man from Pickens
(1,713 posts)obviously with no Democrats in office, nobody else is going to write that legislation
marym625
(17,997 posts)And aren't afraid of upsetting the money changers.
Unfortunately, we have Democrats in office and only one bill introduced to try and stop this shit. I am trying to get Durbin to introduce something. But I won't hold my breath
Thank you for your reply
qwlauren35
(6,152 posts)We need a conversation.
In order for laws to be changed, they have to have stimulus. And right now, there is little stimulus to protect the rights of criminals, alleged criminals, or those enacting "suspicious behavior", because we are too busy being "tough on crime". After reading this thread and doing some real thinking about it, I went to the ACLU website to see what they are doing. They are tracking the rate at which police are kililng people, and they are starting conversations about change. The big thing that they are pushing is "de-escalation". Teaching police officers to approach situations without automatically reaching for firearms. But it has to be more than just the ACLU. It has to be a nation-wide fight with pictures, videos and images. Just like Selma was about pictures and images. We have to garner sympathy for a group of people that everyone loves to hate - criminals.
Now, I am experiencing somewhat of an awakening on this. Because I cheered when Jeffrey Dahmer was killed in prison. Too often, I cheer when the bad guy gets hurt or killed on TV or in the movies. And if I have to have my eyes opened about the rights of criminals, and I'm a pretty progressive type, I know it's going to be harder to move people on this. Hence the images and the conversations. And stories.
I have a Facebook friend who thinks Trayvon Martin deserved to be killed. I read another comment in Facebook that someone would be more sympathetic toward Michael Brown if he wasn't a criminal. An uphill battle.
I would like to know, and support, other organizations that are trying to de-escalate police encounters, and protect the rights of criminals, accused criminals and "suspicious persons". If you know of any, please post them here.
qwlauren35
(6,152 posts)What would *you* like to do about it?
There's always a MOVE-ON petition. Can't think of anything else.
marym625
(17,997 posts)And as many petitions as I have signed, I don't think the petitions help. I will go to move on and sign it though.
I have contacted Senator Durbin's office but have not received a response. I will continue to contact his office, and maybe Kirk's,; regarding this, until I do receive a response.
I was thinking about trying to write a letter that can be easily used by anyone to send to their Senators and Representatives.
Besides that, keeping people informed is the only thing I know to do
Thanks for the move on information
qwlauren35
(6,152 posts)I know they are already gathering statistics on police brutality. The awkward thing would be to hit Loretta Lynch with this as soon as she came into office. But I think that's necessary. Obama has nothing to lose by doing something about this.
Maybe together we can frame a petition for MoveOn/CredoAction to send to the DOJ.
marym625
(17,997 posts)I honestly don't. They have found so much racially motivated wrongs in so many places and yet, except for a very few people losing their jobs, nothing is done. No prosecutions, no overhauls of departments, nothing of any substance takes place. It's disheartening.
I think this has to be legislated before the courts will do a damn thing.
arundhatiroyfan
(177 posts)I wish I had an answer to your question.
marym625
(17,997 posts)I appreciate that you don't have an answer. Obviously, neither do I. Just know it has to stop and we have to try to do something to make it stop.
treestar
(82,383 posts)"I'm pretty sure it was all already illegal."
This is where the imperfection of people comes in. Potential jurors and prosecutors and what they think of the evidence.
marym625
(17,997 posts)There is a major conflict of interest. They have to work with the cops to obtain convictions. The regular prosecutors in cases against the police, should not be used. The failure to indict so many accused of police brutality pretty much proves that
Reminds me of what my brother said after the PA. He worked at airports and said, "one thing is for sure. The world is safe from large breasted women."
Orsino
(37,428 posts)marym625
(17,997 posts)But they don't.
I suspect you were being sarcastic, though I am not sure. Regardless, though a 3rd or even more parties that would be equally as large as all other parties, is probably what we need. The two party system just isn't working as it used to
qwlauren35
(6,152 posts)Maybe people will get creative and talk about solutions and actions that can be taken.
marym625
(17,997 posts)I don't know what more to do. But we can't let the conversation just die out. Seems we do that with so many things.
Calista241
(5,586 posts)Obama is going to have to give the Repubs something they want.
And they'll probably ask for a lot given how important it is to a constituency that's 100% behind their opposition, and the rest of the country could give 2 shits about it.
marym625
(17,997 posts)Just sad that anyone could either agree with it or not care.
FrankAB
(41 posts)They act like they are getting these military items for free, but there are huge costs involved. A department often has to transport equipment itself. If you're talking about a Bearcat or other personnel carriers with armor, then your talking horrible gas mileage costs.
You also have to store these items, and storing a large item like a Bearcat is not cheap. There is also the cost of maintenance. The vehicles take a lot of oil and other routine maintenance. Don't forget the training. Many law enforcement are totally unfamiliar with these vehicles and how to even run them, let alone use them effectively.
And they're completely unnecessary to a police department. So this should be ended
FrankAB
(41 posts)I don't even know where to start, Mary. Would it be so-called education? People are under the impression that these items are free. The last place I heard of getting this equipment is Doraville, GA. Doraville. A town of less than 10k people!
By the way, I can't find this thread under the menu of "general discussion." Can't figure out why it's not there.
marym625
(17,997 posts)I have another post about this and what to do. I have been working on putting a list together from the replies. I will link it to you either late tomorrow or Monday. I am just going to bed and I will be out all day tomorrow.
Thanks for the reply. Welcome to DU
FrankAB
(41 posts)Okay, thanks. No hurry. Here is another one. This baby referred to as Baby Bou Bou. Cops throw a flash bang in the house and disfigure the boy's face. They search the house and don't find any drugs or anything illegal.
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marym625
(17,997 posts)I had a crazy weekend
We discuss different ways to stop the insanity here
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12776757
A tiny little step forward was made today with the ban on some equipment. But it is far from solving the problem. Far, far
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2015/05/18/obama-police-military-equipment-sales-new-jersey/27521793/
FrankAB
(41 posts)I once watched that entire Kelley Thomas video. There is a point at which the cop baits Thomas into action. The cop demands that Thomas sit a certain way while they are investigating him. This demand really confuses Thomas, who is sitting there peacefully. The cop clearly escalates the otherwise calm situation.
Not sure if I can post a picture, but here is a link to before and after. The face of Thomas is disfigured beyond recognition.
marym625
(17,997 posts)But it should be seen by everyone. The video is in my OP. I have seen it.
If you listen to, and watch, the song, This is What Happens When You Call the Cops, you'll see multiple incidences of police brutality, including murder. I once looked them all up. It's horrific. And that was made before Michael Brown was murdered
FrankAB
(41 posts)I don't know why people with disabled love ones and others call the police. A father will call the police because he can't handle his kid who is sassing him. Next thing you know, the kid is being tazed and the father is in handcuffs. People call the police because their parent with Alzheimer's is doing something. Next thing you know, the parent is being abused or dead.
The grand jury decision in the Michael Brown case was horrible. All someone had to do to find the truth was read the autopsy of Brown and compare it to Wilson's testimony. One of the six bullets entered the ventral, upper right arm of Brown and exited the dorsal, upper right arm. This shot would be a virtual impossibility if Brown charged Wilson, but Wilson did claim that Brown charged him. The only way this shot is made is with Brown having his hands up.
marym625
(17,997 posts)Or if he was shot from behind. Another claim the prosecutor made, that no shots were from behind. A lie
AuntPatsy
(9,904 posts)marym625
(17,997 posts)FrankAB
(41 posts)I remember some of the basketball and football players wearing "I can't breathe" t-shirts and shoes after Garner was murdered. The Notre Dame women's basketball team wore them. Maybe they got noticed on national TV. Not sure. But that whole thing fizzled very fast.
I don't think you're going to get much traction at the national level. Miriam Carey was shot in the back of the head, and the entire congress gave the capitol police a standing ovation. Not sure if the answer is more local or what, but the house and senate surely are not going to pay heed.
They tried to vilify Carey as a nut, but that did not work. They tried to connect her with drugs, but that did not work. They then swept it under the rug. They gave themselves badges that looked like this:
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I knew the story about Carey, but I didn't know anything about the pin. That's just horrible. You should do a post about it
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)marym625
(17,997 posts)Maedhros
(10,007 posts)centered around giving them a majority in the House so that they would have subpoena power to begin investigating Bush Administration abuses and war crimes, with the goal of curtailing the occupation of Iraq and possibly impeaching the President.
Within about ten seconds of securing their majority after the election, Nancy Pelosi announced that "impeachment is off the table" and that no investigations would occur because "we need to keep our powder dry for the 2008 Presidential Election."
In essence, they never had any intention of investigating anything or opposing Bush at all - but they knew that's what we wanted, so they outright lied to us to get us to the polls.
I imagine any declarations of outrage by the Party leadership at police brutality will prove to be the same kind of pandering. They'll tell us what we want to hear, but have no intention of doing anything.