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Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 05:14 PM Mar 2015

Mass-killer co-pilot had to STOP training because he was was suffering depression and 'burn-out'...

Police investigating the Germanwings crash said tonight they had made a 'significant discovery' at the home of pilot Andreas Lubitz, who deliberately ploughed the Airbus A320 into the French Alps.

Officers refused to reveal details of the potential breakthrough but said it was not a suicide note.

Speaking outside the flat on the outskirts of Dusseldorf, police said they had 'found something' that would now be taken for tests, adding it may be a 'clue' as to what happened to the doomed jet.

German detectives were also pictured carrying evidence from a £400,000 home in Montabaur, a town 40 miles from Bonn, that Lubitz is believed to have shared with his parents.

The 28-year-old is understood to have split his time between the two addresses.

The forensic find comes hours after it emerged that Lubitz was forced to postpone his pilot training in 2008 because of mental health problems, with a friend saying he was 'in depression'.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3012053/Andreas-Lubitz-Germanwings-flight-9525-French-alps-crash-French-alps-Germanwings-plane-crash-Airbus-A320-Barcelonnette.html

He had obviously been thinking about and planning this. They say that he was clever enough to put the plane into a controlled descent rather that a steep dive.

That action kept the crew and passengers from realizing exactly what was happening until the very last moments.

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undeterred

(34,658 posts)
2. I don't know if depression and burnout 7 years ago
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 05:20 PM
Mar 2015

is necessarily a good predictor of this type of behavior.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
3. Did the recent industrial tension between Lufthansa
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 05:24 PM
Mar 2015

and the pilots' union destablize him, push an already vulnerable personality over the edge?

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
4. Depression is VERY common. It is perhaps the most common thing pushing people to therapy
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 05:28 PM
Mar 2015

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It's really impossible to know if something that is in the person's past is actually a CURRENT problem which underlies a desire for suicide plus mass murder.

Satistically suicide plus mass murder is quite unusual. Going there first is rather like hearing hoof beats and going past Zebras to think Opaki.

It also requires reliance on beliefs about depression that are usually wrong and in this context are stigmatizing by suggesting that past difficulty with depression makes a person a risk for murder.



 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
10. Big catch-22 situation for professional pilots. If they seek help
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 05:53 PM
Mar 2015

for mental problems, they may automatically be declared unfit to fly.

Major disincentive to seek medical assistance until the sufferer cracks and goes postal.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
6. Moi aussi, quand je pense aux familles et proches des victimes...
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 05:35 PM
Mar 2015

Quel horreur !

Dans la presse française, on parle maintenant de 'meurtrier' et non de 'suicidaire'.

uppityperson

(115,681 posts)
7. Il a été une année difficile, pour la France. Le Pen. Charles Hebdo. Meurtres d'avion
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 05:40 PM
Mar 2015

Life is difficult enough to have people doing such awful things to each other.

It will be interesting to see what comes of this investigation and just so sad.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
8. Wow, yeah, just one damn thing after another...
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 05:47 PM
Mar 2015

He is now being called a mass-murderer all over the European press.

I have really been impressed by the highly professional and expeditious handling of the situation by the French search and rescue teams, and especially by the Special Prosecutor from Marseille.

CTyankee

(63,926 posts)
9. It seems to me that if someone is suffering from this kind of depression, there
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 05:50 PM
Mar 2015

should be more treatment and other supports given before letting them co-pilot a commercial aircraft. A rest, a time-out, time to sort this through and let the person go through some therapy and healing time would be a good start.

But of course, you never can be sure of the devils in people's minds...I guess you can't guard against everything or no one with any past psychological problems would ever be hired. That is so, so sad...

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
11. I suspect that Lufthansa is revising their "fit to fly"
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 05:55 PM
Mar 2015

check list as we speak. And many other airlines as well.

undeterred

(34,658 posts)
14. Its a lot simpler to change the rules about
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 06:32 PM
Mar 2015

letting one person be alone in the cockpit. It should never happen.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
15. Agree, that's a given, but still better to keep potential
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 06:36 PM
Mar 2015

'postal' nutjobs out of the cockpit all together.

OKNancy

(41,832 posts)
12. Just a wild guess about what they found...
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 06:02 PM
Mar 2015

Maybe something to do with his health. A terminal disease or something like that????

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