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Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
Tue Mar 24, 2015, 03:50 PM Mar 2015

With $8.5 Trillion Unaccounted for, Why Should Congress Increase the Defense Budget?

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U.S. military is good at fighting wars, but it sucks at managing money. Partly because of its convoluted bookkeeping systems, $8.5 trillion—yes, trillion—taxpayer dollars doled out by Congress since 1996 has never been accounted for.

That was also the first year that Congress passed a law requiring the Defense Department to be audited, which it has failed to do. In 2009, Congress passed another law requiring the DOD to be audit-ready by 2017. After spending—no wasting—billions on failed accounting software, the department is likely to miss that deadline, too.

Related: How the Pentagon Cooks the Books to Hide Massive Waste

So how does the military handle their books for the U.S. Treasury department? They cheat.

A scathing investigative report by Reuters in November 2013 described how an accountant at DOD in Cleveland would face the same monthly problem: Missing numbers, wrong numbers -- numbers with no explanation of where they came from or what they were for. To rectify the problem, the accountant was instructed to “plug” in false numbers in the DOD’s books.





More recently, we have sadly reported just a few of the mounting accounting problems at the Pentagon:

Pentagon Spends $1 Billion Destroying $16 Billion of Ammo. DOD purchased $16 billion worth of ammunition that it didn’t actually need, according to a Government Accountability Office investigation that found much of the ammo became “obsolete, unusable or their use is banned by international treaty.”
$80 Million “Iron Man” Suit for Soldiers That Might Not Work. The DOD is pouring millions into a wearable weapon it calls the Tactical Assault Light Operator Suit (TALOS) otherwise known as the “Iron Man” suit. It has a budget so far of $80 million in order to create a suit of armor that soldiers can wear while also being able to carry hundreds of pounds of gear Some scientists are already skeptical and say soldiers would never be able to move around in the heavy armor—let alone carry anything else.
$300 Million a Year Unaccounted for in Afghanistan. In the latest example of lax oversight, a blistering new report from the Special Inspector General for Afghanistan Reconstruction (SIGAR) reveals the Pentagon isn’t keeping sufficient tabs on the $300 million in tax dollars each year that are supposed to help fund the payroll of the Afghan National Police (ANP).

U.S. Weapons Worth $500 Million Vanish in Yemen. Pentagon officials cannot track the whereabouts of $500 million worth of military equipment the U.S. donated to Yemen since 2007 – raising alarms that the hardware may have ended up with al-Qaeda or Iranian-backed rebels.
1 Billion Pad for Loose Bolts and Damaged Aircraft. It’s bad enough that federal contractors hired to perform routine maintenance work on Customs and Border Patrol (CBP) airplanes dodged their work hours and shirked important safety requirements. It’s even worse that they overcharged the federal government hundreds of millions of dollars for their “work” – and agency officials didn’t notice any of it.

$700 Million for Afghan Gem Cutters. The Taskforce for Business and Stability Operations, formed in 2010, was supposed to reduce unemployment and fostering economic growth in Afghanistan. But management issues and lax oversight are hampering its effectiveness--leaving millions of tax dollars vulnerable to waste.
Pentagon Didn’t Report $145 Million in Improper Payments. The Defense Department’s Inspector General estimated that had these claims been included in DoD’s report, the actual amount of improper payments would be closer to about $213 million, or $145 million higher than DoD’s estimate.

Pentagon Scraps 16 Planes Worth $500 Million for Mere $32K. After spending nearly half a billion dollars on 20 planes to outfit the Afghan Air Force, the Defense Department turned around and scrapped 16 of the aircraft for 6 cents on the pound—just $32,000, the Special Inspector General for Afghanistan Reconstruction has learned.
$900 Million More in Outrageous Military Spending. In the latest blow to the program, the Government Accountability Office released a scathing review of newly built ships that just joined the fleet—ships that together cost nearly $900 million more than originally estimated.

What should Congress do? Continue to blithely increase the defense budget when the department can’t handle money? Call in Ernst and Young to do it for them? Or simply tell them they won’t get another red cent until they figure out how to add and subtract.

At a time when the country is facing entitlement cuts and desperately trying to not just repair but invest in new state of the art infrastructure, shouldn’t the agency with the largest federal budget justify what it spends and why? At the very least, if DOD doesn’t pass an audit, it should be penalized—



http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/2015/03/19/85-Trillion-Unaccounted-Should-Congress-Increase-Defense-Budget



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With $8.5 Trillion Unaccounted for, Why Should Congress Increase the Defense Budget? (Original Post) Ichingcarpenter Mar 2015 OP
To get their own chunk of the next $8.5 trillion? [n/t] Maedhros Mar 2015 #1
So how does the military handle their books for the U.S. Treasury department? They cheat. Octafish Mar 2015 #2
Missing or funneled to black projects? Ichingcarpenter Mar 2015 #6
When the Military or the Police to it, it's NEVER a crime. -nt- 99th_Monkey Mar 2015 #34
K&R nt Guy Whitey Corngood Mar 2015 #3
Wow. That's way up from the $1.5 trillion Rummy found missing on 9/10/01. leveymg Mar 2015 #4
Rumsfeld held a press conference on 9/10/01. SamKnause Mar 2015 #29
What's $800 million, here or there? ;-) leveymg Mar 2015 #33
I love posting this... mikeysnot Mar 2015 #39
Accounting dept of Pentagon, i presume? n/t yodermon Mar 2015 #43
Ya gotta fund the classified part of the budget somehow.... (nt) jeff47 Mar 2015 #5
Kickin' Faux pas Mar 2015 #7
Imagine the outrage if this money were "missing" from Medicare or food stamps. n/t winter is coming Mar 2015 #8
Freedumb ain't free! progressoid Mar 2015 #9
From the same congress still chiseling nickels Blue_Tires Mar 2015 #10
we'd have to spend it on labor, health, education, infrastructure, art, and science! MisterP Mar 2015 #11
Nope.... Sparhawk60 Mar 2015 #25
Any other place and time, that would be automatic grounds for an investigation Rex Mar 2015 #12
This message was self-deleted by its author Adam051188 Mar 2015 #13
Agreed Sherman A1 Mar 2015 #14
You mean the five-sided RATHOLE, is what you meant to say. That's its ACTUAL function.. Volaris Mar 2015 #18
When the US flies pallets of money to Iraq and it LuckyLib Mar 2015 #15
Bush's people explained that. It's because Iraq at the time had "third world accounting." tclambert Mar 2015 #45
Republicon military junta is above accountability ErikJ Mar 2015 #16
K&R B Calm Mar 2015 #17
Insanity maindawg Mar 2015 #19
And we know there's not a goddamn thing that can or will be done about it BrotherIvan Mar 2015 #20
This is why I am drifting far away from the Democratic party. F4lconF16 Mar 2015 #21
Agreed BrotherIvan Mar 2015 #22
I've become cynical in under 2. F4lconF16 Mar 2015 #24
Greg Palast's Armed Madhouse had all kinds of examples SomethingFishy Mar 2015 #23
$8.5 trillion out of a $10.1 trillion budget are unaccounted for???????? DetlefK Mar 2015 #26
Yet we can't afford to educate our children, to heal our sick or care for our elderly. Scuba Mar 2015 #27
You would think those in power would feel some shame and embarrassment /nt think Mar 2015 #28
afghan rock cutters. my son is a rock hound. there are a lot of rocks coming out mopinko Mar 2015 #30
the hell w auditing the fed. audit the pentagon. mopinko Mar 2015 #31
As we saw with Reagan...if you don't fund them, they'll do something illegal to get it. HereSince1628 Mar 2015 #32
+1 uponit7771 Mar 2015 #35
k and r niyad Mar 2015 #36
You NEVER hear the terms "pay for", "austerity", or "deficit" in relation to the military budget. bullwinkle428 Mar 2015 #37
It's easy. Who are the 10 richest people in the world? They have it! nt valerief Mar 2015 #38
One word people: Stargate knightmaar Mar 2015 #40
I'm dying. F4lconF16 Mar 2015 #42
MIC - a way to siphon the treasury to the 1%. CrispyQ Mar 2015 #41
That amounts to $472 Billion per year, or $3,715 per taxpayer per year. closeupready Mar 2015 #44

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
2. So how does the military handle their books for the U.S. Treasury department? They cheat.
Tue Mar 24, 2015, 04:37 PM
Mar 2015

FWIW: That's called "Fraud" in my neck of the woods. I guess we shouldn't expect anything different when "money trumps peace."

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
6. Missing or funneled to black projects?
Tue Mar 24, 2015, 05:00 PM
Mar 2015

Anyway the money is also tied to the corrupt banking system and the military industrial corporate complex..

I really think people need to see the global implications of this and how the trade deal will even make it worse for the world when the ones that corrupt it are making the rules to protect the petro dollars and an economy built on war

I suggest we need to wake up to what is really going behind our backs as this former HUD manager has





ALSO IF YOU HAVE FOLLOWED UNHAPPYCAMPER'S POSTS OVER THE MANY YEARS HE WOULD DOCUMENT SOMETHING ALMOST EVERY DAY FOR TEN YEARS THAT WAS FUCKED UP WITH THE MILITARY'S WASTE AND CORRUPTION.





leveymg

(36,418 posts)
4. Wow. That's way up from the $1.5 trillion Rummy found missing on 9/10/01.
Tue Mar 24, 2015, 04:55 PM
Mar 2015

Seems they misallocated just about the entire defense budget every year since.

SamKnause

(13,114 posts)
29. Rumsfeld held a press conference on 9/10/01.
Wed Mar 25, 2015, 09:33 AM
Mar 2015

He announced that 2.3 trillion dollars could not be accounted for by the Pentagon.

mikeysnot

(4,758 posts)
39. I love posting this...
Wed Mar 25, 2015, 01:23 PM
Mar 2015


College buddy's friend was killed on 9/11. I asked him if she worked in the Accounting dept.

He said yes, and they were moving in early.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
10. From the same congress still chiseling nickels
Tue Mar 24, 2015, 05:21 PM
Mar 2015

off of the postal service, food stamps, education, EPA, etc.

 

Sparhawk60

(359 posts)
25. Nope....
Wed Mar 25, 2015, 06:45 AM
Mar 2015

Nope, not going to happen. How can you blow people up if you waste all your money on health care, education, the infrastructure, arts, and scientific research? We need to continue to spend about one half of the world's total military spending. Those goats and tents don't blow them selfs up.

Do you really want to give up the joy of killing a goat by remote controlled drone strike JUST so you can live, longer, healthier, happier lives???

/sarcasm mode: deactivated

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
12. Any other place and time, that would be automatic grounds for an investigation
Tue Mar 24, 2015, 05:27 PM
Mar 2015

by Congess. However, now in 2015...the same people that own the MIC, own Congress and enough of it's critters to always get what they want. 8.5 trillion missing...yet it is the MIC so it gets a pass. The MIC is above all laws or personal repsonsiblity. Otherwise they would have never 'lost' 8.5 trillion dollars.

Response to Ichingcarpenter (Original post)

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
14. Agreed
Tue Mar 24, 2015, 05:44 PM
Mar 2015

I think it is far beyond time for a straight balance sheet and some actual accounting from the 5 sided building.

LuckyLib

(6,821 posts)
15. When the US flies pallets of money to Iraq and it
Tue Mar 24, 2015, 06:20 PM
Mar 2015

mysterious "disappears" into the so-called infrastructure of the Iraqi government (read Swiss bank accounts) as well as the mullahs in small towns, we shouldn't be surprised. It's what we do.

tclambert

(11,087 posts)
45. Bush's people explained that. It's because Iraq at the time had "third world accounting."
Wed Mar 25, 2015, 03:19 PM
Mar 2015

By which they meant none of the American officials thought to bring a pen and some paper on which to write receipts. Actually, they had paper--they could have used a few hundred dollar bills. As for writing implements . . . apparently all of Iraq's pens and pencils got blown up in the shock and awe bombing campaign.

And, of course, no one thought to bring a laptop computer with QuickBooks pre-loaded on it.

 

maindawg

(1,151 posts)
19. Insanity
Tue Mar 24, 2015, 07:12 PM
Mar 2015

We are insane.We spend 50 cents of every dollar on an imaginary foe to defend ourselves from. And then, we allow,50 cents of every dollar to be stolen, as a policy. Acceptable. We are , insane. You are saying that 25 % of our fed tax dollar is pissed away to the crooks who somehow have weaseled their way into our pockets. Into all of our pockets.
Why is this not a bi partisan issue?
hmmm

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
20. And we know there's not a goddamn thing that can or will be done about it
Tue Mar 24, 2015, 10:24 PM
Mar 2015

Because administrations change, but the MIC is FOREVERRRRRRRRRRRR

F4lconF16

(3,747 posts)
21. This is why I am drifting far away from the Democratic party.
Wed Mar 25, 2015, 03:10 AM
Mar 2015

They are dedicated to maintaining corporate power as thoroughly as the Republican party is, only they're not insane fascist theocratic hate-filled nightmares.

F4lconF16

(3,747 posts)
24. I've become cynical in under 2.
Wed Mar 25, 2015, 03:40 AM
Mar 2015

It's been a slow and steady decline into cynicism since I first started reading the newspaper 3 years ago.

Thank goddess for socialism. I've been working with the ISO in Seattle, and they're a good bunch of people. It gives me hope that there's another way. We're not going to last long, otherwise, and if we do it'll be some hellish dystopian Randian world.

SomethingFishy

(4,876 posts)
23. Greg Palast's Armed Madhouse had all kinds of examples
Wed Mar 25, 2015, 03:26 AM
Mar 2015

of crazy military projects that we spent billions on that never saw the light of day. It's aged a little but still hits the mark.

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
26. $8.5 trillion out of a $10.1 trillion budget are unaccounted for????????
Wed Mar 25, 2015, 07:30 AM
Mar 2015
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_budget_of_the_United_States

Add it up. From 1996 to 2015 the US spent an estimated $10.1 trillion on the defense-budget.
 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
27. Yet we can't afford to educate our children, to heal our sick or care for our elderly.
Wed Mar 25, 2015, 07:33 AM
Mar 2015

Sometimes America sucks.

mopinko

(70,330 posts)
30. afghan rock cutters. my son is a rock hound. there are a lot of rocks coming out
Wed Mar 25, 2015, 09:40 AM
Mar 2015

of afghanistan right now. he claims soldiers are bringing them back with them, shipping them out, and otherwise making a lot of money off this.
wonder if those rock cutters are being used by personnel over there.

he says no small part of it is people who can now just pick them up after ied explosions and bombings. but that little item caught my eye.

mopinko

(70,330 posts)
31. the hell w auditing the fed. audit the pentagon.
Wed Mar 25, 2015, 09:43 AM
Mar 2015

what ever happened to all the stuff that was going to come out of abramoff's testimony, and duncan hunter's testimony?

find the brass plague contracts. find the stuff that is going in the front door and straight out the back door. ollie north and richard secord anyone?

what a pile of steaming bullshit.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
32. As we saw with Reagan...if you don't fund them, they'll do something illegal to get it.
Wed Mar 25, 2015, 09:45 AM
Mar 2015

And the US military is perfectly positioned to once again participate in world trade in arms for drugs for money.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
44. That amounts to $472 Billion per year, or $3,715 per taxpayer per year.
Wed Mar 25, 2015, 02:49 PM
Mar 2015

Nice to know that, looking at each of my paychecks for any one given pay period, the Department of Defense is throwing away almost $154 of my money.

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