Is it automatically assumed that women and minorities are treated equally compared to white men?

[CreekDog]

In the USA?

Is that the assumption? Why is it the assumption for some people? What in our history suggests that this is the case?

If so, when did that assumption become a given, what year?

Based on our history, and based on statistics, I see no reason to assume as a given that women and minorities are treated on a par with white men.

And this doesn't mean that all white men are rich or are among the "privileged". I'm simply saying if you equalize for everything else, it's not a given that in our society, in our country, that women or minorities will be treated as equals compared to white men.

I'm just wondering why some need so much proof that there is unfairness, as if they assume there isn't unfairness. Don't they know their history?

[uponit7771]

1. Yes, even among women and minorities... There's very little data on this especially day to day...

... treatment.

Humans tend to treat people they can relate to better than ones they can't relate to

[1StrongBlackMan]

2. Yes what? That it is a given that women and minorities are treated on par with white men? n/t

[uponit7771]

29. Yes, it's assumed because there's little data related to the job people do to say different...

... due to companies policies on sharing salaries IMHO

[trumad]

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[yuiyoshida]

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[pintobean]

21. ,,,,

[trumad]

24. Took you long enough.

[pintobean]

26. The carrier went dead in the water

It took longer than expected.

[1StrongBlackMan]

5. I would say ...

anyone that would entertain the notion that it can be assumed that women and minorities are treated equally compared to white men is displaying willful ignorance.

[stevenleser]

6. I'm not sure where you are going with this. Until the mid 60's, separate but equal was essentially

the law of the land and it betrayed a belief among many non-minorities that people of color were not equal.

[1StrongBlackMan]

9. I think the OP is a reflection on ...

what is happening more and more on DU. Whereas, most people accept the assumption that there continues to be unequal treatment, there is more and more evidence that some make the opposite assumption ... to there is equality in treatment until proven and re-proven and re-proven, again, otherwise.

[CreekDog]

18. Yes, some people question every study or every conclusion of inequality

as if they were Ted Cruz or Jim Inhofe questioning evidence of climate change.

[Nye Bevan]

10. STUDY: BLACKS WHO KILL WHITES ARE MOST LIKELY TO BE EXECUTED

COLUMBUS , Ohio – Blacks convicted of killing whites are not only more likely than other killers to receive a death sentence – they are also more likely to actually be executed, a new study suggests.

But the findings showed that African Americans on death row for killing nonwhites are less likely to be executed than other condemned prisoners.

“Examining who survives on death row is important because less than 10 percent of those given the death sentence ever get executed,” said David Jacobs, co-author of the study and professor of sociology at Ohio State University.

“The disparity in execution rates based on the race of victims suggests our justice system places greater value on white lives, even after sentences are handed down.”

http://researchnews.osu.edu/archive/dthrow.htm

This is one example of where racism still survives in present-day America.

[bravenak]

13. Willful ignorance.

Some want to ignore issues that do not affect them.

[Dont call me Shirley]

22. And those same willfully ignorant some get very angrily defensive about this issue also.

[bravenak]

27. And very smug!! TBH.

[Dont call me Shirley]

31. Yes, the arrogance is astounding!

[CreekDog]

32. Oh I remember him!

[bravenak]

33. That's our guy!

[gollygee]

14. Only if you ignore history, current events, and common sense. n/t

[Orrex]

15. Honestly, I wasn't aware that anyone assumed this.

In my experience, there are two types:

1. People who think that women and minorities get all the breaks and therefore have it easier than hard-working white men

2. People who live in reality and recognize the systemic racism and sexism that exist in and taint nearly every aspect of society


But I can't imagine that anyone truly believes that anyone believes or assumes that women and minorities are treated the same as white men.

[CreekDog]

17. you must have a really big ignore list

[Orrex]

19. Actually, that might explain it.

I can see differences of opinion re: the degree to which one group is disadvantaged relative to another, but to assume equality outright? That's directly contradicted by reality.

Madness.

[trumad]

25. clockwork.

[1StrongBlackMan]

23. I would point to a link to a specific post ...

that asserted just that ... but I can't afford the hide.

[Bluenorthwest]

16. Maybe by idiots. I don't know many idiots. Is there any idiot specific polling?

nt

[el_bryanto]

20. Well stated

I'll say though that the social circle you operate in does influence how you look at this. A society which regularly deals with out and out racism/sexism might have a more finely tuned awareness of this inequality than a society that presumes that it treats everybody well. If you start with the assumption that you are going to treat women and minorities fairly, than you won't really examine what those judgments are based on.

Say you interview a white person and a black person; you just feel like the white person presents himself better and seems more professional. But is that what's really happening? Or is it that you empathize with the white person, you excuse their missteps while with a black person, you are more inclined to not empathize with them and to see small mistakes as indicative of their flawed character.

If you already assume you are treating white people and black people equally, than you won't really analyze your judgments to make sure they are fair.

Bryant

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

28. There is no error so monstrous that it fails to find defenders among the ablest men. Lord Acton

There's none so blind as those who will not see.

[BainsBane]

30. It is among conservatives

Even if some of those conservatives claim to be on the left. Denying social reality is a good gauge of someone's political outlook, IMO.

[one_voice]

34. No--that's the answer to your subject line...

at least in my experience.


edited to add: of course there are some who believe everything is equal. They come from both rich and poor. The rich thinking that I get, the poor not so much. It should also be noted that there are rich people that recognize the inequality.