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Panich52

(5,829 posts)
Tue Mar 24, 2015, 10:59 AM Mar 2015

Real Paleo Diet: early hominids ate just about everything

Real Paleo Diet: early hominids ate just about everything
By Ken Sayers, Georgia State University
Mar 23, 2015
EarthSky Voices in » Human World, Science Wire
http://earthsky.org/human-world/real-paleo-diet-early-hominids-ate-just-about-everything?utm_source=EarthSky+News&utm_campaign=cb15d536a6-EarthSky_News&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_c643945d79-cb15d536a6-393525109

Hominids didn’t spread across Africa, and then the entire globe, by utilizing just one foraging strategy or sticking to a precise mix of carbohydrates, proteins and fats

Reconstructions of human evolution are prone to simple, overly-tidy scenarios. ... the imagined diet of our ancestors has also been over-simplified.

Take the trendy Paleo Diet which draws inspiration from how people lived during the Paleolithic or Stone Age that ran from roughly 2.6 million to 10,000 years ago. It encourages practitioners to give up the fruits of modern culinary progress – such as dairy, agricultural products and processed foods – and start living a pseudo-hunter-gatherer lifestyle, something like Lon Chaney Jr. in the film One Million BC. Adherents recommend a very specific “ancestral” menu, replete with certain percentages of energy from carbohydrates, proteins and fats, and suggested levels of physical activity. These prescriptions are drawn mainly from observations of modern humans who live at least a partial hunter-gatherer existence.

But from a scientific standpoint, these kinds of simple characterizations of our ancestors’ behavior generally don’t add up. Recently, fellow anthropologist C. Owen Lovejoy and I took a close look at this crucial question in human behavioral evolution: the origins of hominid diet. We focused on the earliest phase of hominid evolution from roughly 6 to 1.6 million years ago, both before and after the first use of modified stone tools. This time frame includes, in order of appearance, the hominids Ardipithecus and Australopithecus, and the earliest members of our own genus, the comparatively brainy Homo. None of these were modern humans, which appeared much later, but rather our distant forerunners.

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... Researchers have found, for example, that hominids even 2.6 million years ago were eating the meat and bone marrow of antelopes; whether they were hunted or scavenged is hotly debated.

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Real Paleo Diet: early hominids ate just about everything (Original Post) Panich52 Mar 2015 OP
Another thing to keep in mind about the paleo diet jeff47 Mar 2015 #1
how did we modify this? snooper2 Mar 2015 #2
The oranges and limes are much larger jeff47 Mar 2015 #6
Our ancestors probably wouldn't have eaten this in the first place jmowreader Mar 2015 #11
And then there was the dearth of excess calories. Orsino Mar 2015 #3
I bet they didn't eat .. ananda Mar 2015 #4
Its not to hard to imagine early man yuiyoshida Mar 2015 #26
To me the bottom line is to listen to your body GliderGuider Mar 2015 #5
Many say food cravings are all f/ junk food/sweets, but not always for me. If I start craving OJ, Panich52 Mar 2015 #7
do you have any trouble with your blood iron levels? Revanchist Mar 2015 #9
Kind of my point -- I don't have such problems, possibly because my body tells me when I need a Panich52 Mar 2015 #21
Well said. I try to eat a good amount of protein - mostly from poultry and fish - and not go nomorenomore08 Mar 2015 #8
They may have eaten "everything".. sendero Mar 2015 #10
The human species survived because it is an omnivore. hobbit709 Mar 2015 #12
in your reply what does 'above the level of grass' mean? HereSince1628 Mar 2015 #13
We don't have cuds. hobbit709 Mar 2015 #14
I understand that as a reference to human's lack of cellulase HereSince1628 Mar 2015 #15
True but the calorie count is relatively low. hobbit709 Mar 2015 #16
Calorie counts of seeds are actually pretty high...but that swings from the point HereSince1628 Mar 2015 #17
Seeds, not green growing grass. hobbit709 Mar 2015 #20
The most voracious predator on the planet. nt bemildred Mar 2015 #18
Early humans shopped at Whole Foods darling, then bored their friends with endless remarks mulsh Mar 2015 #19
jeeez, were they that wealthy,? Eleanors38 Mar 2015 #33
I say screw sticking to any one "diet" FLPanhandle Mar 2015 #22
Crap article whatchamacallit Mar 2015 #23
Apparently brontosauruses tasted like chicken (nt) Nye Bevan Mar 2015 #24
Dumpster Divers Rule! nt Zorra Mar 2015 #25
Shackleton's crew survived for a year eating only penguins. n/t lumberjack_jeff Mar 2015 #27
+100. That was the advantage of being an omnivore. ND-Dem Mar 2015 #28
I wasn't impressed with the idea of the paleodiet. Cleita Mar 2015 #29
or let over meat from other bigger predators FLPanhandle Mar 2015 #30
Yes, I forgot about the carrion. eom Cleita Mar 2015 #31
Carrion? I don't think most Paleos even eat organ meats Retrograde Mar 2015 #32

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
1. Another thing to keep in mind about the paleo diet
Tue Mar 24, 2015, 11:04 AM
Mar 2015

is that nothing in any grocery store resembles the food available in the stone age. We've spent the last 10,000 years heavily modifying every plant and animal we eat.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
6. The oranges and limes are much larger
Tue Mar 24, 2015, 12:21 PM
Mar 2015

and have a lot more sugar than the plant our ancestors started with.

jmowreader

(50,585 posts)
11. Our ancestors probably wouldn't have eaten this in the first place
Wed Mar 25, 2015, 05:42 AM
Mar 2015

It's hard to pass on your genes to the next generation after you've been eaten. It's a safe assumption that any alligator that dies on its own gets eaten by other gators and we hadn't yet invented firearms, so these bastards stayed in the swamp where they belonged.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
3. And then there was the dearth of excess calories.
Tue Mar 24, 2015, 11:13 AM
Mar 2015

Our ancestors had to eat everything they could possibly get. Those who didn't didn't leave descendants.

yuiyoshida

(41,871 posts)
26. Its not to hard to imagine early man
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 01:42 PM
Mar 2015

squatting over an open flame, and digging into a can of Spahetti O's... that's rather humorous I think, when you think about it. For my people, they would be using something akin to Chopsticks!!!

 

GliderGuider

(21,088 posts)
5. To me the bottom line is to listen to your body
Tue Mar 24, 2015, 11:19 AM
Mar 2015

None of us have identical dietary tolerances or requirements, so any slavish one-size-fit-all approach - whether it's Atkins, Ornish or anything in between - is bogus. It's not the diets themselves that are necessarily bogus, but the insistence that they're good for everyone sure is. What helps one person thrive may mean slow death for someone else. Your body is your own body, not an epidemiological survey.

I get the large majority of my calories from animal meats and fats, because my body can't cope with significant levels of carbohydrate. Others do just fine on a diet high in grains and tubers. I suspect most people are better off if their diet has a low glycemic index, but how you get low-glycemic calories depends on the rest of your metabolism.

YMWV (Your Mileage Will Vary...)

Panich52

(5,829 posts)
7. Many say food cravings are all f/ junk food/sweets, but not always for me. If I start craving OJ,
Tue Mar 24, 2015, 11:29 PM
Mar 2015

cheese, & chocolate in rapid succession, I know a cold is coming on. I even occasionally crave liver -- hardly a usual treat.

Panich52

(5,829 posts)
21. Kind of my point -- I don't have such problems, possibly because my body tells me when I need a
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 11:38 AM
Mar 2015

particular nutrient. I'm sure it doesn't always alert me to every deficiency, but liver/iron is an easy connection to make. And fix, as long as it's not chronic or severe.

Haven't quite figured out cheese-oj-chocolate connection, other than vit C

nomorenomore08

(13,324 posts)
8. Well said. I try to eat a good amount of protein - mostly from poultry and fish - and not go
Wed Mar 25, 2015, 12:22 AM
Mar 2015

too crazy on the carbs, though I do admittedly have quite the sweet tooth. Any "junk" or desserts I eat, I try to balance out with something healthier.

I do notice that high-carb and/or vegetarian meals tend not to keep me "full"/satisfied as long.

sendero

(28,552 posts)
10. They may have eaten "everything"..
Wed Mar 25, 2015, 05:39 AM
Mar 2015

..... but there WAS no refined sugar then, there WAS no corn or wheat as we have now then either. So "everything" that was available, sure.

hobbit709

(41,694 posts)
12. The human species survived because it is an omnivore.
Wed Mar 25, 2015, 06:28 AM
Mar 2015

We can eat anything above the level of grass and get enough nourishment to keep going until we find something better.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
13. in your reply what does 'above the level of grass' mean?
Wed Mar 25, 2015, 06:54 AM
Mar 2015

not trying to be cute, I just don't know if you're referring to height above ground or something else.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
15. I understand that as a reference to human's lack of cellulase
Wed Mar 25, 2015, 07:40 AM
Mar 2015

or sufficient digestive symbionts to rely on cellulose as a primary energy source

But, not being able to digest cellulose hasn't prevented us from exploiting grasses for food.

We do eat sugar & molasses and sugar cane and sorghum are pressed to get the juices containing that.

And we do eat grass seeds which, I thought might be a reference to higher than grass leave as the seeds typically occur at the tip of the flowing stem...

And although you and I might not do it very often in the US, people do eat the tender shoots of bamboo, which also is a grass.

Interesting that we, humans, wouldn't have gotten to those edible parts of plants considered generally non-edible if across human pre-history and history our forebears weren't broadly sampling the environment for food...essentially sampling almost everything as potential food...

hobbit709

(41,694 posts)
16. True but the calorie count is relatively low.
Wed Mar 25, 2015, 07:47 AM
Mar 2015

Like I said, it gave you enough food to find something better.

From a foraging standpoint there's lots of things with more food value. And you have to know what plants to eat-some are quite deadly.
Of course so are some animals but the basic rule is, if it moves, it's edible.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
17. Calorie counts of seeds are actually pretty high...but that swings from the point
Wed Mar 25, 2015, 07:50 AM
Mar 2015

which is that humans from early on have broadly sampled their environment for edibles.

mulsh

(2,959 posts)
19. Early humans shopped at Whole Foods darling, then bored their friends with endless remarks
Wed Mar 25, 2015, 09:20 AM
Mar 2015

about how fantastic the paleo-diet is. Didn't the Leaky's unearth a very early check stand and artisan made chocolates a few dozen meters away from Lucy?

whatchamacallit

(15,558 posts)
23. Crap article
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 12:21 PM
Mar 2015

It's poorly written and provides little evidence to support its assertion. It also misses the salient point, which is not what starving hominids would stuff in their mouths if they got the chance, but what foods were regularly or frequently obtainable. I'm not a paleo adherent, but there is no doubt the 24/7 availability of any and all foodstuffs has made America a very sick nation. I'm wary of sciency articles that poke fun at people for being proactive about their health and diet choices. They all seem to whisper the same message in your ear: "Your fad diet is unscientific... Just continue to eat what you want... Go on, indulge..."

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
29. I wasn't impressed with the idea of the paleodiet.
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 02:06 PM
Mar 2015

Many early hominids had various diets from mostly vegetarian to hunting meat. But most likely the only meat they got was grubs, termites and other insects. Yum.

FLPanhandle

(7,107 posts)
30. or let over meat from other bigger predators
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 02:09 PM
Mar 2015

Probably not the freshest meat either.

I doubt the new Paleo Diet includes insects and leftover carrion.

Retrograde

(10,176 posts)
32. Carrion? I don't think most Paleos even eat organ meats
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 03:23 PM
Mar 2015

like those high-calorie, fat-filled brains and minerally hearts and livers, things our ancestors would have considered delicacies, since they were highly perishable and sought after by other carnivores. There are some arguments that the stomach contents of prey animals - partially digested vegetable matter - were a big source of vitamins for early peoples.

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