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Fearless

(18,421 posts)
Sun Mar 22, 2015, 08:08 PM Mar 2015

Boston Globe Urges Elizabeth Warren To Run For President

In its call for Warren to run, the Globe editorial board said that Democrats would be "making a big mistake" if they let Hillary Clinton get the party's nomination running unopposed.

"Massachusetts Senator Elizabeth Warren can make sure that doesn’t happen. While Warren has repeatedly vowed that she won’t run for president herself, she ought to reconsider. And if Warren sticks to her refusal, she should make it her responsibility to help recruit candidates to provide voters with a vigorous debate on her signature cause, reducing income inequality, over the next year," the editorial board wrote.

The paper also dismissed other Democrats who are mulling a bid against Clinton, like former Sen. Jim Webb (Va.) and former Maryland Gov. Martin O'Malley, saying that they did not represent "top-tier candidates." Warren, the paper suggested, could position herself as an alternative to Clinton.

"The Democratic Party finds itself with some serious divides that ought to be settled by the electorate. Some are clear-cut policy differences, such as the Trans-Pacific Partnership, an enormous free-trade agreement with Pacific Rim nations that Warren opposes and Clinton backs," the editorial board wrote. "Even in areas where the candidates agree, there are bound to be different priorities: It’s hard to imagine a President Clinton defending and enforcing the Dodd-Frank legislation with as much vigor as a President Warren, for instance."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/03/22/boston-globe-elizabeth-warren_n_6918510.html?ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000013

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So what issues would you vote for?

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Boston Globe Urges Elizabeth Warren To Run For President (Original Post) Fearless Mar 2015 OP
Kick. Agschmid Mar 2015 #1
YES! Logical Mar 2015 #2
Support for workers, end Citizens United, strengthen SS, raise the cap.... NYC_SKP Mar 2015 #3
Kick! Logical Mar 2015 #4
Oh, how I would love to be a fly on the wall in that newspaper editor's room. Major Hogwash Mar 2015 #5
It seems to have started.... NCTraveler Mar 2015 #15
I dunno. Major Hogwash Mar 2015 #28
Warren has much more vigor and passion than HRC. Divernan Mar 2015 #6
Democracy turbinetree Mar 2015 #7
Here We Go billhicks76 Mar 2015 #8
EW has also a great gift sadoldgirl Mar 2015 #9
Why don't those children give up on their pony wanting and get on board with the grown-ups. Ed Suspicious Mar 2015 #10
Sorry, Ed, very sorry sadoldgirl Mar 2015 #11
Or, they could go with a candidate who actually wants to run... brooklynite Mar 2015 #17
Right on time. Ed Suspicious Mar 2015 #19
K&R pscot Mar 2015 #12
Huge K & R !!! WillyT Mar 2015 #13
The stupidity truly burns. NCTraveler Mar 2015 #14
What issues do you vote based on? Fearless Mar 2015 #21
The list of issues I look at is long. NCTraveler Mar 2015 #29
Still not hearing any issues. Just the don't bash Hillary meme. Fearless Mar 2015 #33
Your comments don't seem to have relevance to my posts. NCTraveler Mar 2015 #34
You replied to me and my statement doesn't correspond to what you're saying? Fearless Mar 2015 #35
Yes. I replied to a part of your op that is extremely flawed. nt NCTraveler Mar 2015 #36
I don't think I'm obligated to agree with you though. Fearless Mar 2015 #38
I understand. NCTraveler Mar 2015 #39
Then she isn't the presumptive nominee in your opinion? Fearless Mar 2015 #40
1) No, 2) Yes NCTraveler Mar 2015 #41
I never said she would, but that the right people must run against her Fearless Mar 2015 #43
The first post of mine you responded to... NCTraveler Mar 2015 #44
And I asked you a question regarding what issues you vote regarding. Fearless Mar 2015 #46
I'm Confused... What Is The Seriously Flawed Premise Of Which You Speak ??? WillyT Mar 2015 #30
It was quoted in my post you replied to. NCTraveler Mar 2015 #31
Well... There's Been A Whole Lot Of Ink And Pixels Spent On The Theory That... WillyT Mar 2015 #32
We appear to be in complete agreement. NCTraveler Mar 2015 #37
They devoted their entire editorial page to 4 columns urging Liz to run Dems to Win Mar 2015 #16
Kicking and Reccing yuiyoshida Mar 2015 #18
Kick! hifiguy Mar 2015 #20
Kick !!! WillyT Mar 2015 #22
K&R G_j Mar 2015 #23
Change your mind Liz! We could really use you in the Oval Office!!! RiverLover Mar 2015 #24
I would love to see Senator Warren become a candidate Art_from_Ark Mar 2015 #25
Looks like some do not realize the primary is open to those who qualify. Thinkingabout Mar 2015 #26
Funny...I can see her saying Hillary is terrific brooklynite Mar 2015 #47
Warren is a good person, is really good in her field of expertise, is doing a good Senator. Thinkingabout Mar 2015 #48
What happens if she still decides not to run? O'Malley, a progressive is in Iowa considering still_one Mar 2015 #27
Because we cannot respect a woman's no. KitSileya Mar 2015 #42
Oh, FFS, trying to recruit someone to run for office is NOTHING like sexual assault. winter is coming Mar 2015 #45
 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
3. Support for workers, end Citizens United, strengthen SS, raise the cap....
Sun Mar 22, 2015, 08:17 PM
Mar 2015

...speak to the people, the lower and middle and working classes, restore jobs and security.

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
5. Oh, how I would love to be a fly on the wall in that newspaper editor's room.
Sun Mar 22, 2015, 09:30 PM
Mar 2015

I wonder what their conversations were like in order to get this written up and published.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
15. It seems to have started....
Mon Mar 23, 2015, 10:06 AM
Mar 2015

It seems to have started with the belief that Hillary might actually run unopposed. Hard to believe this is what comes out of editorial boards. They don't even start in reality.

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
6. Warren has much more vigor and passion than HRC.
Sun Mar 22, 2015, 09:48 PM
Mar 2015

I think the editorial's mention of Warren having more vigor than HRC any given topic is not only talking about personal enthusiasm, but also a swipe at HRC's health issues and poor general physical condition.

turbinetree

(24,738 posts)
7. Democracy
Sun Mar 22, 2015, 10:12 PM
Mar 2015

This is how a democracy should be, having newspapers come out in there editorials supporting a candidate like Elizabeth Warren who knows what we the public need to help sustain ourselves and the country from the oligarpghy and from those that think 900 million or 1 BILLION can buy a election and the courts.
I will do what ever I can to have her run and I agree she should help a progressive change this culture that in elections there is the anointed.
We need a FDR style candidate and a Francis Perkins mentality to take back this country, from the billionaires and millionaires and the suckers that support the millionaires and billionaires.
This election is about the U.S. Supreme Court

sadoldgirl

(3,431 posts)
9. EW has also a great gift
Sun Mar 22, 2015, 10:38 PM
Mar 2015

in talking with people and not just at them.
She is able to reduce very complicated issues
to a sensible yet correct amount.

BTW she also knows "arithmetic" very well.

Ed Suspicious

(8,879 posts)
10. Why don't those children give up on their pony wanting and get on board with the grown-ups.
Sun Mar 22, 2015, 10:55 PM
Mar 2015

HRC the inevitable.



sadoldgirl

(3,431 posts)
11. Sorry, Ed, very sorry
Sun Mar 22, 2015, 11:01 PM
Mar 2015

I forgot about that and HRC's terrific ability
to connect with people.

Mea maxima culpa!

brooklynite

(94,858 posts)
17. Or, they could go with a candidate who actually wants to run...
Mon Mar 23, 2015, 03:22 PM
Mar 2015

Sanders

O'Malley

Webb

...but I guess dreaming is more fun.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
14. The stupidity truly burns.
Mon Mar 23, 2015, 10:05 AM
Mar 2015

"if they let Hillary Clinton get the party's nomination running unopposed."

The dolt who wrote that sentence shouldn't be on the job. When you whole point is based off a blatantly flawed premise.........

Seriously, an editorial board came up with that crap. That shows the thought process is controlled strongly from the top. Most staff writers would be able to see the glaring flaw. Simple fact is, they know if they write it, it will create division. Seems the same dim bulbs fall for shit like this every time.

On the bright side, use of the term Goldwater Girl has been dramatically reduces over the last few months due to the pushing of another candidate on the left by the media.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
29. The list of issues I look at is long.
Tue Mar 24, 2015, 09:23 AM
Mar 2015

Many different issues. The whole picture. This article starts on the idea of Hillary running unopposed, not issues. It is an article written with the goal of division, not clearly defined issues. That is literally the starting false premise of the article. It is agenda driven. Unfortunately, that agenda works over and over again on people.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
34. Your comments don't seem to have relevance to my posts.
Tue Mar 24, 2015, 11:50 AM
Mar 2015

I really don't know what you are trying to argue here with respect to my original post. I am going to assume, as you have given me no other options, that you are one of those in the camp that thinks Hillary might truly run opposed. Foolish stance to take, as I have mentioned. Please read my original post you replied to again. It is about the blatantly flawed premise the article starts with. I mean stupidly flawed. I don't see how you are missing that and what the point of responding to my post in a manner that has nothing to do with my post. Maybe I should just ask you about Russian involvement in Crimea. That would have damn near as much to do with my original post. It really was an amazingly simple and accurate post you replied to. Your reply just didn't have anything to do with my post. I simply stated the extremely flawed premise and editorial board started with in order to flow to different points.

I have no clue where in the world you are getting "Still not hearing any issues. Just the don't bash Hillary meme." Just the don't bash Hillary meme. Where in the fuck did you get that from in my post?

You seem to be very similar in thoughts to this editorial board. You have something to say you just aren't sure where to put it or how to start. I expect this type of behavior on a discussion board like this, extremely unprofessional for an editorial board.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
39. I understand.
Tue Mar 24, 2015, 12:36 PM
Mar 2015

My disagreement was clearly with this sentence.

"In its call for Warren to run, the Globe editorial board said that Democrats would be "making a big mistake" if they let Hillary Clinton get the party's nomination running unopposed."

That is the only issue I took. I was very clear and am still shocked an editorial board would make that argument.

This is your first reply to me that has to do with my initial post. "I don't think I'm obligated to agree with you though."
I never said you were. I do think disagreeing with me is foolish on this one. Then again, it leaves me on an island by myself and you in agreement with an editorial board. You are on much stronger ground. I just think it is very foolish to believe she will run unopposed as is the starting point for your op. Clearly you and the editorial board disagree with me on that. I don't think any argument you can make would convince me otherwise. History is just not your friend in that debate.

Fearless

(18,421 posts)
40. Then she isn't the presumptive nominee in your opinion?
Tue Mar 24, 2015, 12:39 PM
Mar 2015

There will be a primary and she will face challengers who will test her ability to govern in her desired position?

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
41. 1) No, 2) Yes
Tue Mar 24, 2015, 12:48 PM
Mar 2015

I could elaborate on #1 but the answer would still be no. She is the presumptive frontrunner in a race that hasn't officially started.

I think that is pretty obvious to anyone who has been paying attention to politics for more than a day.

I don't understand how you or anyone else thinks she will run unopposed.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
44. The first post of mine you responded to...
Tue Mar 24, 2015, 03:44 PM
Mar 2015

was all about this sentence and how foolish it was. Really not much more.

"if they let Hillary Clinton get the party's nomination running unopposed."

 

WillyT

(72,631 posts)
30. I'm Confused... What Is The Seriously Flawed Premise Of Which You Speak ???
Tue Mar 24, 2015, 10:08 AM
Mar 2015

Plus... Although issues are of utmost importance...

There's an old political saw that says...

When you elect a President, you are inviting them into your living room for the next 4 to 8 years.

Probably started with FDR and the age of radio, but definitely true in the age of television.

And after 12 years of Bushes, and 8 years of Clintons...

Well let's just say that both families may have over-stayed their visits.


 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
31. It was quoted in my post you replied to.
Tue Mar 24, 2015, 10:18 AM
Mar 2015

The premise could be no more flawed.


"In its call for Warren to run, the Globe editorial board said that Democrats would be "making a big mistake" if they let Hillary Clinton get the party's nomination running unopposed."

No one in their right mind would find sense in that statement. It is flat out stupid. To think it was a starting point for an editorial board is laughable.

 

WillyT

(72,631 posts)
32. Well... There's Been A Whole Lot Of Ink And Pixels Spent On The Theory That...
Tue Mar 24, 2015, 10:27 AM
Mar 2015

Hillary having debates with fellow Dems would sharpen her skills, and straighten out any kinks in her arguments BEFORE the General Election.

You disagreee I take it.


 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
37. We appear to be in complete agreement.
Tue Mar 24, 2015, 12:13 PM
Mar 2015

My reply was simple. An editorial board has an idea that Hillary might run opposed and stated that belief in order to say what they really wanted to say. An editorial board has that little knowledge with respect to politics.

In order for your follow up to happen, the editorial board would have to be completely wrong, which they obviously are. I do disagree with the editorial board. Don't you? Your "whole lot of ink" comment seems to back up what I am saying 100%. It goes completely against the thought process of the editorial board.

RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
24. Change your mind Liz! We could really use you in the Oval Office!!!
Mon Mar 23, 2015, 07:55 PM
Mar 2015

('Course if she does change her mind, it would be infinitely better politically to announce after Hillary does. We can wait a bit. )

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
26. Looks like some do not realize the primary is open to those who qualify.
Mon Mar 23, 2015, 08:23 PM
Mar 2015

I can see the speech declaring her candidacy for president " I am running to prevent Hillary from running unopposed".

brooklynite

(94,858 posts)
47. Funny...I can see her saying Hillary is terrific
Tue Mar 24, 2015, 06:25 PM
Mar 2015

"All all of the women — Democratic women I should say — of the Senate urged Hillary Clinton to run, and I hope she does. Hillary is terrific," Warren said during an interview broadcast Sunday on ABC's "This Week," noting that she was one of several senators to sign a letter urging Clinton to run in 2016.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2014/04/27/elizabeth-warren-i-hope-hillary-clinton-runs-for-president/

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
48. Warren is a good person, is really good in her field of expertise, is doing a good Senator.
Tue Mar 24, 2015, 06:39 PM
Mar 2015

She has stated she is not running and I have a suspicion she does not want the responsibility of the presidency. I think Senator Warren is smart enough to make her decisions.

still_one

(92,488 posts)
27. What happens if she still decides not to run? O'Malley, a progressive is in Iowa considering
Mon Mar 23, 2015, 08:27 PM
Mar 2015

A run, don't think Warren has been to Iowa

KitSileya

(4,035 posts)
42. Because we cannot respect a woman's no.
Tue Mar 24, 2015, 01:11 PM
Mar 2015

We must pressure her to change her mind, and make her do what *we* want. To hell with consent.

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
45. Oh, FFS, trying to recruit someone to run for office is NOTHING like sexual assault.
Tue Mar 24, 2015, 03:52 PM
Mar 2015

Comparing an editorial in a newspaper to rape is ludicrous.

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