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expelled from a university for bragging about discriminating against black people than they are at thousands of black people in Ferguson having their civil rights trashed by their own government and police force on a daily basis?
Things that make you go "hmmmmmm."
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)people.
CBGLuthier
(12,723 posts)The term "white trash" has usually been used by racists to describe white people who act in the inferior manner that they associate with other races. Why not just call them a bunch of assholes and leave the racially loaded terms out?
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)The closest analog is "rednecks."
These punks are rich, privileged white trash.
daleanime
(17,796 posts)phil89
(1,043 posts)Are accurately described as poor white people in the rural south? Do you think before you post?
Sarcastica
(95 posts)distinguish himself from poor white trash. Who else can afford to pay for friends?
Sometimes you use language to make a point.
Sometimes you pretend to make a point so you can throw around some language.
MadDAsHell
(2,067 posts)azureblue
(2,155 posts)and you don't think at all. It's a bunch of right kids wanting to act all white trash. I grew up in the south and I know what white trash is.And I knew a number of well off white kids that were white trash wanna bees - just like these punks. They thought that acting stupid was cool. Get a clue.
randome
(34,845 posts)No matter what the 'official' definition is, it implies whites being 'just like' blacks by acting 'trashy'. That's how it's been used in the past.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]I'm always right. When I'm wrong I admit it.
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geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)it's tangential to the larger point anyways.
randome
(34,845 posts)...I described my ex as behaving like 'white trash' to my black therapist. She never said anything about it but I could tell that in my angry state, I had gone somewhere I had no business being.
I suppose that's a rule of thumb: if you would have a problem using the phrase 'white trash' to a black person face-to-face, then maybe it shouldn't be used.
Just my opinion and your being open to that is, as always, impressive.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]I'm always right. When I'm wrong I admit it.
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geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)I certainly would not have a problem with "rich white trash" since it inverts the class element to the phrase and implicitly argues that trashiness is not race or wealth, but character.
I don't think anyone would disagree that these two punks are trash.
ND-Dem
(4,571 posts)poor people" (who are assumed to act like trash).
ND-Dem
(4,571 posts)supposed 'rich' whites.
and I agree with other posters; part of the reason white trash = trash is because they were poor (like black people) and mixed with non-whites (partly for economic reasons).
thanks for showing your class slip.
calimary
(81,557 posts)But somehow I don't see it as being the same thing as "white trash".
But "rich white punks" - I certainly saw that. And that seems to fit just fine.
Am I missing something?
onenote
(42,799 posts)See post #47.
It sometimes pays to read the posts in a thread before posting.
Blue_Adept
(6,402 posts)Sometimes you just have to go off on other targets instead of just railing against the same thing day in and day out where nothing seems to change.
valerief
(53,235 posts)own the TV and radio, so do they own large swaths of the internet, mainly the comments sections of popular sites.
cali
(114,904 posts)Ferguson, but I do think it's easier to grapple with the former. There's an arc to that story with a conclusion. Ferguson is a much more difficult and more pernicious problem that is a lot more frustrating when it comes to solid solutions.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)how these OU racists were mistreated, but haven't registered a peep of protest about Ferguson.
Not outraged about the racism, they're outraged about how the racists are supposedly the real victims.
cali
(114,904 posts)guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)people behaving badly on a bus can be written off as a number of drunks acting like fools. But what is happening in Ferguson, and it is not just Ferguson, reflects badly on the US as a whole. This targeting of blacks cannot all be explained as simply police arresting the "bad apples" because every black person is being treated as a bad apple.
The arc of the Ferguson story leads from slavery to prison farms to disparate treatment in the criminal justice system to disenfranchisement of blacks and back to prison as a substitute for slavery. What progress has been made since 1865?
cali
(114,904 posts)what I was getting at- though I do think that progress has absolutely been made since 1865.
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)hootinholler
(26,449 posts)The term white trash is fucking racist to the core, it says that the lowliest white man is better than the most virtuous black man.
Things that make you go Hmmmmm.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)it means disreputable rednecks.
hootinholler
(26,449 posts)Why do rednecks use it all the time then?
I'm someone who has been called white trash by actual Klan members, its meaning is nothing at all like what you keep claiming it means.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)interactions with the KKK, which have been nonexistent.
Orsino
(37,428 posts)I hear SAE may be hiring publicists.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Orsino
(37,428 posts)I agree.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)to be offended.
But, I changed the title, so moot point.
Orsino
(37,428 posts)hootinholler
(26,449 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)eridani
(51,907 posts)smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)For instance, I think the Bush Family is white trash. However I have met plenty of people who have no money that I think are fine human beings, worthy of respect. Most of the prominent republicans are white trash to me and they have tons of money. I guess I have a different definition than some people.
OnlinePoker
(5,729 posts)NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)Some people - can you name three? I personally haven't seen anyone defend the SAE "white trash" as you describe them.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)while also ignoring the DOJ report on Ferguson?
Android3.14
(5,402 posts)It seems like the recognition of the Ferguson DOJ and the condemnation of the OU crap was near universal, especially on DU. Sure, we always have a few outliers, but your complaint is just clickbait.
Sounds like you needed to find another reason to support their outrage.
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geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Android3.14
(5,402 posts)My comment had nothing to do with people learning of the report. It is about the fake outrage you directed to members of DU.
This is just pathetic.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Not a lot of George Zimmerman critics complaining.
Android3.14
(5,402 posts)Or a busy sockpuppet. Otherwise the interaction would be topical. Either way, welcome to the land of "ignore"ance.
mountain grammy
(26,663 posts)I was posted an OP on which the majority of comments defended the right of the OU students to say whatever pops into their empty racist heads and how their first amendment rights trump anything and how dare anyone, especially a state university dare to punish their precious freedom of speech because they are the state dontcha know.
Look around. It's right here on DU. Geek is correct.
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)I have seen some questions about the legality of expelling the two caught on camera, and as I pointed out, they signed a code of conduct for the university. Their signatures make any First Amendment issues moot in my opinion.
I have never seen anyone defend them.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)and who are OUTRAGED over how these OU racists are being treated.
People will be shocked to learn that these guys are also major gun enthusiasts.
Of course, this also applies to most Republicans.
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)Android3.14
(5,402 posts)Thanks for doing nothing to advance the cause of racial equality.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Android3.14
(5,402 posts)Now that is as lame as it gets.
I had an eleven-year-old try that with the word "mother fucker" once.
"But Jimmy said it..." (You'll have to imagine the whiny sound of the voice of an 11-year-old boy)
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Android3.14
(5,402 posts)It comes with the territory. While "white trash" may seem okay with you, as an underpaid hardworking person who has lived a trailer home during our salad days, I find the term offensive.
Additionally, your OP only fans the flames of racism, falsely accusing DU for a weak response to racism in Ferguson and OU, and I believe provoking a response to your false allegation was the purpose of your OP.
Fortunately, it also reveals your own hypocrisy.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)There are a lot of individuals outside DU, as well as a few inside DU, who do have that double standard.
But the overwhelming number of DUers are not described by this post.
ND-Dem
(4,571 posts)Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)it's getting so that the diversion from the intent of the OP is KABUKI at it's finest.
Cha
(297,890 posts)check.. they behavior is "trashy".. check. But, you can't say it.
NM_Birder
(1,591 posts)if you understand irony, ............ yeah that made me go hmmmmmmm.
Ok, ......how are the protestors having thier civil rights trashed now ? on a daily basis.
You said Ferguson, so pony up, lets hear the civil rights abuse.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)NM_Birder
(1,591 posts)You tell me what abuses they have suffered, and on a daily basis. Not the night of the fucking riots where it was pandemonium, oh by the way did you know a kid was murdered that night and Thrown in a car on the street of the protest ? Nah, who cares, it was just another murder and it would have taken the spotlight off the riot.
i think you are similar to many, you don't and can't support what you imply, you just need some agreement for personal reinforcement.
You said daily abuses of their civil rights, is this so tough for you to back that up ?
geek tragedy
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geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)turned out to not be what happened.
And it turns out that the Ferguson PD is a racist racketeering, extortionist goon squad.
What do you think?
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geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)You seem to be, but are dancing around it.
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geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)The city responded by firing the clerk, the judge, the police chief, and the city manager.
We need better trolls.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)sheshe2
(83,987 posts)PS~ Great OP.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)sheshe2
(83,987 posts)http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026372768
#Ferguson town leadership was running a multi million dollar racketeering & extortion scheme
Where are the arrest warrants for those involved in the shake down of poor black people in #Ferguson Missouri? In a city with a population of 21,000 people, 16,000 have outstanding warrants. Nearly everyone was criminalize. The police and courts made it a crime to exist in black skin. We live in a country where a state government is running a multi million dollar racketeering & extortion scheme targeting black people & no one is arrested. Kwame M. Kilpatrick was convicted of racketeering, fraud and extortion but Ferguson town leaders got severance pay. Its disgraceful when those in power see a crime and squeeze their eyes shut because the racketeer & extortionist have white skin. But when youre white, its alriiiight.
Please do read the rest and be sure to follow all the links. Your questions will indeed be answered.
mountain grammy
(26,663 posts)I completely agree and it's here on DU. In the name of "free speech " I'm surprised to see a defense of racists on a college campus because, somehow, the opinion is the college should just accept this behavior.
JustAnotherGen
(31,980 posts)mountain grammy
(26,663 posts)Frankly I was surprised at the outrage and the defense of the students. Had they been arrested or even detained i would have had an issue based in the first amendment, but they were appropriately disciplined, and yet, quite a few DUers were upset by that.
betsuni
(25,731 posts)Spazito
(50,549 posts)Hmmmm, indeed.
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)racial bigotry (or, conversely, outraged at OU's denial of due process to aforementioned frat rats). That said, if folks are going to be outraged about OU's denial of due process to a couple of bigoted and spoiled rich frat rats, then why aren't they absolutely apoplectic about the total travesty of justice (including, but not limited to, denial of due process) going on in Ferguson? Bottom line, they don't really give a shit about due process or justice; they're actually using 'denial of due process' as a pretext to defend white privilege (which was their real interest and agenda all along).
K&R this awesome thread and your OP. And, yes, those OU frat rats are 'racist rich white trash.' I used to live in the general vicinity and know the type all too well.
mahatmakanejeeves
(57,695 posts)Of course they have the right to express their racial bigotry:
Why expelled Oklahoma frat boys would have an excellent chance in court
The Bill of Rights doesn't exist for the people you like. It exists for the people you detest.
Best wishes,
mahatmakanejeeves
[font color=red]I have some advice for DUers who are upset by what I say. I remind those of you who have not already done so that to put me on "ignore," just click on the icon titled "Ignore this member." Don't worry about me; I'll get over it just fine.[/font]
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)blm
(113,124 posts).
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)Android3.14
(5,402 posts)The racist language was so distracting.
So in answer to your question, no. I have seen only a few people going that direction.
father founding
(619 posts)It's working as planned, long ago.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Gman
(24,780 posts)It's always been there and will be for years to come until something changes. Nothing has changed.
AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)Whether it be privileged punks in some frat, or the racism-tinged corruption which infects so many police departments.....etc. We can only hope the awakening takes full hold *before* another Gopper takes office, though.
salin
(48,955 posts)on the rest. Or qualifying and dismissing the rest.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)salin
(48,955 posts)MIRT is too fast for me!
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)It's usually the same crowd...There is a very distinct pattern
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)I don't wear my liberty spikes anymore, but it's still in the heart.
Otherwise, spot on
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)German sausages.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)The judges would also accept "asshole," "motherfucker" and "shithead"
mountain grammy
(26,663 posts)Despite the blowback you got,I feel better That there are so many recs for this post.
Number23
(24,544 posts)SSDD
Number23
(24,544 posts)Like I said in that thread, I hope all of this crap gets revisited the next time these people throw their Mutual Back Patting Society gathering and proclaim themselves ever so much "smarter" more "evolved" and "informed" than Freepers.
Because from where I've been sitting the last few years, what daylight there is between the two groups is shrinking more by the day.
Jamaal510
(10,893 posts)the people who say they shouldn't have been expelled: if those frat boys shouldn't be expelled for this, then what should people be expelled for, then? Should the university wait until there's a free-for-all before they take any action?
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Deep down, white people in America are TERRIFIED that the other races are going to rise up and make them pay for what they've done.
So if you even TALK about race it "stirs them up" and increases the danger to white people.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)the language that you chose to use than the subject of your OP?
I have ... and score it as par for this course.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)U4ikLefty
(4,012 posts)I'm sure you will be consistent.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)racialize/non-racialized meaning of the term "thug'? the only time I can remind is during the Richard Sherman "Taunting Drama", and where some dUers were arguing "the (black) guy's murder was totally justified."
If that's what you are talking about, then perhaps we should revisit earlier chapters in the Racialized Speech in America textbook ...because some have clearly missed some basic concepts.
(Hint: in America the term "white trash" is only (racially) offensive with the addition of the modifier, "white." ... See the difference?)
prayin4rain
(2,065 posts)Jenoch
(7,720 posts)I was part of that thread and I don't recall any outrage. I do remember people defending the 1st Amendment.
The students involved should be shunned by their peers. I don't think they sjould be tossed in jail for their despicable actions.