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Aerows

(39,961 posts)
Sun Mar 15, 2015, 05:07 PM Mar 2015

I just saw a creepy Cialis commercial

You know, the erection pills. It was a guy with silver hair that was easily in his sixties cuddled up with a woman that barely looked over 21.

Am I the only one that is bothered by this, when Republicans are so damn eager to make sure women have no access to birth control or abortions? It just struck me as perverse.

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I just saw a creepy Cialis commercial (Original Post) Aerows Mar 2015 OP
They are all gross. femmocrat Mar 2015 #1
And their rutting isn't dared to be slowed by stopping long enough to take a pill, much less grab Panich52 Mar 2015 #8
Which is my point Aerows Mar 2015 #10
It's just more of big pharma hawking their boner pills and other crap! leftofcool Mar 2015 #2
Are you claiming there's no need for erectile dysfunction pills? Nt Logical Mar 2015 #11
I'm claiming that there is just as much need Aerows Mar 2015 #14
Your comment is not even closely related to the post I replied to! Nt Logical Mar 2015 #16
Actually, I'd like to make a point Aerows Mar 2015 #17
For your information customerserviceguy Mar 2015 #38
Since when does "need" have anything to do with advertising? Warren DeMontague Mar 2015 #41
I wouldn't allow my husband to take them. Side effects are way to worrisome! leftofcool Mar 2015 #20
You wouldn't allow him? Tell us ... 11 Bravo Mar 2015 #52
Her body, her choice, something something. n/t lumberjack_jeff Mar 2015 #61
should be his body, his choice too Skittles Mar 2015 #99
I have been married and taking care of him for 41 years leftofcool Mar 2015 #102
Jumped out at me, too. nt msanthrope Mar 2015 #100
Well, since he just had a minor stroke, I do decide what is best for him at the moment! leftofcool Mar 2015 #101
Another rental truck gets stuck under the 11foot8 bridge snooper2 Mar 2015 #104
Need? Demit Mar 2015 #27
Need! Logical Mar 2015 #28
Has anyone ever died from NOT being able to get an erection? For some reason I don't remember sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #32
We should shut down all pharma companies. They are all evil. nt Logical Mar 2015 #34
I don't agree with that. I do think people should only take medications when they need it, sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #36
Coffee, booze, weed Warren DeMontague Mar 2015 #43
That seems a better 'cure' than swallowing bottles of expensive pills. For whatever the ailment is. sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #95
Yes! Remember when we had ads for things we actually used: cars, washers and dryers, ND-Dem Mar 2015 #51
Dandy Mincemeat Doughnuts Aerows Mar 2015 #60
but -- it's crisco!! so digestible!!! ND-Dem Mar 2015 #63
It's basic demographics. jeff47 Mar 2015 #103
I don't buy it. Half the US population is under 37, & 1/4 is < 20. ND-Dem Mar 2015 #108
You'll note my post said "consumer" not "people". jeff47 Mar 2015 #109
2/3 of the population is under 50. young people have parents; who buy them things. ND-Dem Mar 2015 #110
Whining for your parents to buy you the latest toy stopped working when you hit double-digits. (nt) jeff47 Mar 2015 #111
and the 20% under 20? the majority of the population is under 50. ND-Dem Mar 2015 #113
A pretty small portion of the country is under 3 but you still see diaper commercials. nt Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2015 #133
tell it to jeff47. ND-Dem Mar 2015 #134
Yes, actually Xithras Mar 2015 #82
That's very sad. However, it does seem to be more of a cultural problem. Are these findings sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #94
Thank you. n/t lumberjack_jeff Mar 2015 #117
thanks for that, much appreciated nt steve2470 Mar 2015 #137
Actually, people have died. Quackers Mar 2015 #97
Yes, I received information above from another poster and responded to that. sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #98
The ED ones without one male to bee seen in the commercial.... boston bean Mar 2015 #3
Lord, I haven't seen that one Aerows Mar 2015 #7
here you go: boston bean Mar 2015 #19
I HATE those. Blue_In_AK Mar 2015 #25
I never liked the others, because they are plain stupid... boston bean Mar 2015 #26
That's like saying "I just heard a Pitbull song about being up in da club" alcibiades_mystery Mar 2015 #4
... nomorenomore08 Mar 2015 #30
.... woolldog Mar 2015 #84
Works wonders for former neocon CIA directors. Octafish Mar 2015 #5
Octa.....you never disappoint. nt msanthrope Mar 2015 #29
....if it wasnt for non sequiturs Warren DeMontague Mar 2015 #46
Viagra changed its ads to creepier as well elfin Mar 2015 #6
"programs aimed at adults" Blue_Adept Mar 2015 #120
I hate all those ads malaise Mar 2015 #9
"Think of the Children!" Aerows Mar 2015 #12
to be fair; young children aren't going to get it. they're not very blatant. they might ND-Dem Mar 2015 #68
Well, ads where you have to guzzle beer to have any joy in life were just fine jeff47 Mar 2015 #105
What I don't get is those one person bathtubs. hobbit709 Mar 2015 #13
The creepy aspect, though Aerows Mar 2015 #18
that is strange. I've never figured that out... CTyankee Mar 2015 #42
I did zipplewrath Mar 2015 #118
I just don't think I would portray intimacy like that... CTyankee Mar 2015 #123
More of a case of "branding" zipplewrath Mar 2015 #129
I think you are right. It's so bad and nonsensical it has US spending time discussing it! CTyankee Mar 2015 #130
I like when they drag the bathtubs down to the beach to watch the sunset. Warren DeMontague Mar 2015 #44
not hooked up to water supply Liberal_in_LA Mar 2015 #124
These drug pushers are relentless dissentient Mar 2015 #15
Men's sexual enjoyment > women's health, amirite? DirkGently Mar 2015 #21
Which would totally make sense Warren DeMontague Mar 2015 #47
I believe it also makes sense if you read the OP. DirkGently Mar 2015 #49
The OP is about a television commercial, not the extent of health insurance coverage. Warren DeMontague Mar 2015 #67
The OP talks about more than the commercial DirkGently Mar 2015 #69
If the gleeful boner pill commercials were somehow linked to the religious right, maybe Warren DeMontague Mar 2015 #70
The attitudes are linked, obviously. DirkGently Mar 2015 #90
Actually, I got into the subthread by responding to your assertion, not the OP. Warren DeMontague Mar 2015 #93
The OP made the same assertion, I believe. DirkGently Mar 2015 #115
Okay, several days later, here, but let me ask a general question: How old are you? Warren DeMontague Mar 2015 #122
+1000 smirkymonkey Mar 2015 #127
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Mar 2015 #71
Actually, the OP says this DirkGently Mar 2015 #89
I looked and couldn't find Alice anywhere. Lint Head Mar 2015 #22
You have seen a cialis commercial that isn't creepy? MADem Mar 2015 #23
I still have nightmares about that god damn lunesta moth Warren DeMontague Mar 2015 #45
Ha ha ha!!!! MADem Mar 2015 #53
Nobody did dick commercials better than Smiling Bob. VScott Mar 2015 #24
Wanda Sykes called him ismnotwasm Mar 2015 #31
You've gotta be a toothy grinning moron if you think a "herbal male enhancement" Warren DeMontague Mar 2015 #40
They're all creepy. cwydro Mar 2015 #33
I'm glad I don't have TV n/t PasadenaTrudy Mar 2015 #35
I took 2 Cialis pills olddots Mar 2015 #37
You win the thread shenmue Mar 2015 #78
DVR Warren DeMontague Mar 2015 #39
Or mute and a nice stretch. A kettle on for tea. Scratching the critters heads... Luminous Animal Mar 2015 #54
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Mar 2015 #48
Setting genders aside, do you think a relationship can be healthy between at 21 yr old and 64 yr old Rex Mar 2015 #50
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Mar 2015 #56
Good point. Rex Mar 2015 #58
It's an extremely embarrassing subject. jeff47 Mar 2015 #107
I thought it was creepy. Aerows Mar 2015 #72
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Mar 2015 #75
it's a commercial. They aren't real people so they don't actaully have a relationship- KittyWampus Mar 2015 #91
Well, not really. Not unless they are really, really rich. smirkymonkey Mar 2015 #128
A 60-something woman paired with 21-year-old man? I doubt you'll find many people spooky3 Mar 2015 #73
SO FUCKING WHAT? GaltFreeDiet Mar 2015 #55
Seek therapy and/or education. Quickly. n/t prayin4rain Mar 2015 #59
Why? Because I don't buy into Reaganite "morality"? GaltFreeDiet Mar 2015 #62
Why aren't women close to the age of the man shown in these commercials? n/t prayin4rain Mar 2015 #80
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Mar 2015 #83
That is problematic. AngryAmish Mar 2015 #65
Did you read the 2nd paragraph of the OP? Quantess Mar 2015 #76
Yeah, because tons of 21 year old women are just smirkymonkey Mar 2015 #81
!! Duppers Mar 2015 #85
This message was self-deleted by its author pintobean Mar 2015 #57
Ugh. BigDemVoter Mar 2015 #64
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Mar 2015 #66
comedy--or unfathomable--or horrifying, etc., etc. spooky3 Mar 2015 #74
I see nothing wrong with this at all. PeteSelman Mar 2015 #77
so we must be creepy drray23 Mar 2015 #79
Good for you both. I 840high Mar 2015 #86
don't you know all us gals crave fossilized penai? Skittles Mar 2015 #87
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Mar 2015 #88
Not all dudes with gray hair are in their sixties (nt) Nye Bevan Mar 2015 #92
What's sickening is the way they smile at each other fadedrose Mar 2015 #96
I'm 86 and I can't keep the gangs of 18 yo blue eyed blondes off of me. L0oniX Mar 2015 #106
Repulsive is relative LittleBlue Mar 2015 #114
They've been gross to me since the first Viagra commercials LittleBlue Mar 2015 #112
They are gross! Except the one that Ellen D did: namastea42 Mar 2015 #116
Personally dubient Mar 2015 #119
Message auto-removed pintobean Mar 2015 #121
Usually it is an older couple shown treestar Mar 2015 #125
Insurance covers get it up pills liberal N proud Mar 2015 #126
Why wouldn't insurance cover a physiological dysfunction HereSince1628 Mar 2015 #131
Missed the point! liberal N proud Mar 2015 #136
I think I get it. You want to ridicule the historic fairness of insurance coverage HereSince1628 Mar 2015 #138
Just the hypocrisy liberal N proud Mar 2015 #140
One time I took a Cialis and a laxative. edbermac Mar 2015 #132
I have yet to see a Cialis or Viagra commercial that didn't give me the creeps... cherokeeprogressive Mar 2015 #135
My new "favorite" Cialis commercial is the one where they try to solve 2 probems: Vinca Mar 2015 #139
Maybe she's portrayed as a prostitute in the commercial? Quantess Mar 2015 #141

femmocrat

(28,394 posts)
1. They are all gross.
Sun Mar 15, 2015, 05:09 PM
Mar 2015

Even without the "age" factor. Those people get turned on by painting a bench, cleaning out an attic, or watching a kids' football game? Really???

Panich52

(5,829 posts)
8. And their rutting isn't dared to be slowed by stopping long enough to take a pill, much less grab
Sun Mar 15, 2015, 05:16 PM
Mar 2015

condom or other contraceptive...

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
10. Which is my point
Sun Mar 15, 2015, 05:17 PM
Mar 2015

This is covered under insurance plans far and wide, but heaven forbid women want access to contraceptives.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
14. I'm claiming that there is just as much need
Sun Mar 15, 2015, 05:19 PM
Mar 2015

for birth control to be covered under an insurance policy as boner pills - can't speak for the other poster, but that's absolutely my view on the subject.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
17. Actually, I'd like to make a point
Sun Mar 15, 2015, 05:25 PM
Mar 2015

that is kind of related.

There is FAR LESS need for boner pills that birth control. How is a man not being able to get it up in any way more detrimental to their life than a woman getting pregnant, including through force, use of said birth control pills for hormone regulation, and to treat other medical conditions?

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
38. For your information
Sun Mar 15, 2015, 07:29 PM
Mar 2015

'boner' pills, as you call them, are not fully covered by most insurance. There's a limit on the number of pills per month, and if one was prescribed Cialis for everyday use as a means of dealing with BPH, then they're out of luck.

For the record, I do support BCP's being fully covered by insurance, even in the case of so-called 'religious' employers. I favor all prescriptions being covered equally and fully, even the overadvertised ones.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
41. Since when does "need" have anything to do with advertising?
Sun Mar 15, 2015, 07:34 PM
Mar 2015

Advertising is about getting people to buy shit, if it's shit they DONT need that's even better.

The shit people actually need doesnt need advertising.

11 Bravo

(23,928 posts)
52. You wouldn't allow him? Tell us ...
Sun Mar 15, 2015, 08:01 PM
Mar 2015

what else do you not allow him to do? And does he also get he decide what medications you are allowed to take?

Skittles

(153,275 posts)
99. should be his body, his choice too
Mon Mar 16, 2015, 05:41 AM
Mar 2015

I could never respect a man I could order around

unless they were paying me, of course

leftofcool

(19,460 posts)
102. I have been married and taking care of him for 41 years
Mon Mar 16, 2015, 09:00 AM
Mar 2015

He is respected by many people including me!

leftofcool

(19,460 posts)
101. Well, since he just had a minor stroke, I do decide what is best for him at the moment!
Mon Mar 16, 2015, 08:59 AM
Mar 2015

Any more questions?

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
32. Has anyone ever died from NOT being able to get an erection? For some reason I don't remember
Sun Mar 15, 2015, 06:32 PM
Mar 2015

hearing about this ENORMOUS problem until relatively recently. I just mentioned in another thread how our airwaves are now flooded with Big Pharma ads, hardly any other kind of ads, I almost miss the old ones for washing machines etc. And then the Lawyer ads, 'if you were prescribed this product, and are suffering from 'these' symptoms, please call Wellness, Wellness & Sickusonthem unless you're dead in which case please have your loved ones call 999-999-9999, you may be entitled to compensation'.

It woud be interesting to start counting them, noting the products, then watching for the lawsuits to see how many of them are sued.

It's hilarious. Legal pill pushing.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
36. I don't agree with that. I do think people should only take medications when they need it,
Sun Mar 15, 2015, 07:05 PM
Mar 2015

not just for 'recreational purposes' or to get rid of a headache or stay on medications far longer than is needed.

My MIL, eg, died because she was on statins she didn't need and had been taken off by her heart doctor. But she went to the ER for a minor issue, was found to be okay, and PUT BACK on a statin, that so thinned her blood a needed surgical procedure could not be performed a few later. She didn't NEED it.

Take it when needed, but from what I can see everyone is on drugs. Headaches go away, cuts heal, no need for a pill every time you sneeze.

But we are drug culture now, legal and illegal.

And the TV Ads are like ads for candy lately.

 

ND-Dem

(4,571 posts)
51. Yes! Remember when we had ads for things we actually used: cars, washers and dryers,
Sun Mar 15, 2015, 08:00 PM
Mar 2015

vacuum cleaners, hair crèam, shoe cream, shaving cream, furniture, bras, koolaid, toys, hand soap, dish soap, laundry soap, bandaids, deodorant, TVs, TV dinners, coffee, beer, soda, fast food, cigarettes, cereal...

my theory is it's just 2 corporations that own everything, so they don't need ads anymore. found out the other day that one corporation/holding co owns most furniture companies AND most shoe companies. And "Buster Brown" is still a brand of shoes. And the merger between shoes and furniture happened longer ago than we think and the merger of most shoe companies happened even longer ago.









now it's financial services, boner pills, insurance...

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
60. Dandy Mincemeat Doughnuts
Sun Mar 15, 2015, 08:24 PM
Mar 2015

That sounds about as digestible and swell as "Toxic Waste Arsenic Bars"!

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
103. It's basic demographics.
Mon Mar 16, 2015, 11:39 AM
Mar 2015

The largest bloc of consumers is still the Baby Boomers. So companies are still marketing to them.

They already have cars and washers and dryers. But they're getting older, and the menfolk are getting distressed that they aren't 18 anymore.

You'll continue to see ads move up the "age ladder" until the number of baby boomers dwindle. Then marketers will have to figure out how to actually reach younger generations.

 

ND-Dem

(4,571 posts)
108. I don't buy it. Half the US population is under 37, & 1/4 is < 20.
Mon Mar 16, 2015, 11:55 AM
Mar 2015

People under 20 years of age made up over a quarter of the U.S. population (27.3%), and people age 65 and over made up one-eighth (12.8%) in 2009.[12]

The national median age was 36.8 years.[12]




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_United_States#U.S._demographic_birth_cohorts

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
109. You'll note my post said "consumer" not "people".
Mon Mar 16, 2015, 12:03 PM
Mar 2015

You have to have money to be a consumer. 20-somethings are broke. 50-somethings aren't. Which one is gonna get more ads on TV?

Also, you have to consider the media carrying the ad. TV audiences skew much older than the population in general. Just like you won't see a lot of tampon ads in Playboy, ads on TV are going to skew towards older consumers.

Lastly, the youngest Boomers are in their 50s now. 65 and up doesn't cover them.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
111. Whining for your parents to buy you the latest toy stopped working when you hit double-digits. (nt)
Mon Mar 16, 2015, 12:15 PM
Mar 2015

Xithras

(16,191 posts)
82. Yes, actually
Sun Mar 15, 2015, 09:57 PM
Mar 2015

Loss of sexual function is a major cause of age related depression in men. In fact, chronic health issues that lead to loss of body functionality is the leading cause of new depression cases in older men. Suicide rates among older adults with late onset depression are actually higher than among younger populations with diagnosed depression, largely due to the fact that the triggers for late onset depression are often chronic with no hope of any cure or improvement.

The link between the loss of male sexual functionality and suicide has been documented for more than a century. Much of it is cultural in origin, because our society places such a high value on youthful virility, but it is a very real problem for those who are facing the fact that a core part of their self-identification has been destroyed.

If you want to see this in action, just talk to any oncologist. Nearly all of them can tell you stories about men with prostate cancer who chose death over cancer surgeries that would have left them alive but impotent.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
94. That's very sad. However, it does seem to be more of a cultural problem. Are these findings
Mon Mar 16, 2015, 12:21 AM
Mar 2015

confined to THIS culture? People in other cultures seem to be a lot happier overall. I wonder why that is?

We are not among the happiest cultures on the scale of 'happy nations'.

Pills can't solve everything, except on a temporary basis.

How about women? Growing older in the US seems to be almost an affliction, whereas in other cultures it is a GOAL to be reached and respect is earned.

Maybe rather than trying to find quick fixes, some studies on how to change the culture regarding expectations, the focus on youth, which is short lived, would be a better longterm fix.

Quackers

(2,256 posts)
97. Actually, people have died.
Mon Mar 16, 2015, 01:07 AM
Mar 2015

Depression and suicide due to ED is more common than people think. I know you weren't intentionally implying that people don't kill themselves over this, but I felt it was important to bring attention to the issue.

ETA: sorry, I just seen someone else address this down thread. I didn't mean to hit you with all of the same info again.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
98. Yes, I received information above from another poster and responded to that.
Mon Mar 16, 2015, 01:14 AM
Mar 2015

Thanks for your response. If it is something directly related to the culture we live in, then a pill is really only a temporary 'fix'. Seems to be something that requires more than that. Eg, I wonder if there are stats on this issue in other countries where cultural pressures on men are not the same as they are here?

boston bean

(36,224 posts)
3. The ED ones without one male to bee seen in the commercial....
Sun Mar 15, 2015, 05:14 PM
Mar 2015

Just a woman laying on a bed, wishing and hoping.....

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
7. Lord, I haven't seen that one
Sun Mar 15, 2015, 05:15 PM
Mar 2015

I just saw it in passing - I avoid as much television as possible.

boston bean

(36,224 posts)
26. I never liked the others, because they are plain stupid...
Sun Mar 15, 2015, 05:42 PM
Mar 2015

but to market a drug for men to women, puts this on a whole other level.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
5. Works wonders for former neocon CIA directors.
Sun Mar 15, 2015, 05:14 PM
Mar 2015

And their supporters in Congress and Wall Street.

Dusty Foggo got incredible levels of protection while in his last two years at CIA, protection that probably goes beyond what you’d expect of his senior position. With each new detail of his involvement in the torture program, it seems more and more likely that that protection extended at least in part from the role he played in covering up torture. -- https://web.archive.org/web/20100403015131/http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2010/03/28/dusty-foggos-girlfriend-john-rizzo-and-the-salt-pit/

elfin

(6,262 posts)
6. Viagra changed its ads to creepier as well
Sun Mar 15, 2015, 05:14 PM
Mar 2015

I hate them and especially the fact they appear all day on regular TV - not in later night programs aimed at adults. And that such pills are covered, but birth contraceptives are not in many plans.

Blue_Adept

(6,402 posts)
120. "programs aimed at adults"
Wed Mar 18, 2015, 12:36 PM
Mar 2015

Are on all day now.

Because kids generally have access to kids programming on kids channels where these kinds of ads don't are, like disney xd, nick and other networks.

Considering the number of adults that now work from home and other hours as opposed to the "traditional" 9-5, if you were marketing things, wouldn't you market it throughout the day to get to your audience?

malaise

(269,263 posts)
9. I hate all those ads
Sun Mar 15, 2015, 05:17 PM
Mar 2015

Funny how they don't worry about the children's sensibilities these days - remember when they were going after Clinton.

 

ND-Dem

(4,571 posts)
68. to be fair; young children aren't going to get it. they're not very blatant. they might
Sun Mar 15, 2015, 08:50 PM
Mar 2015

ask why the nice people are taking baths outside, though.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
105. Well, ads where you have to guzzle beer to have any joy in life were just fine
Mon Mar 16, 2015, 11:43 AM
Mar 2015

They're targeting the same demographic. They're just older now, so they are targets for different products.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
18. The creepy aspect, though
Sun Mar 15, 2015, 05:27 PM
Mar 2015

of some silver haired dude cuddling in a hammock with a 21 year old as though that is in anyway normal or should be expected of any man in his late sixties was just icky.

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
118. I did
Wed Mar 18, 2015, 12:28 PM
Mar 2015

So you want to make an illusion to sex, but you can't be too explicit because you want to run these commercials at all times of the day and night. Kinda makes nudity hard to achieve. There's one situation that you can show anytime where people are naked, that's in the bath tub. Of course you can't put them in the SAME tub. So you put two tubs where there is no other reason for two naked people to be together, and voila! You can have naked people anytime of the day and night. Not like you ever see soap or water in those tubs do ya?

CTyankee

(63,926 posts)
123. I just don't think I would portray intimacy like that...
Wed Mar 18, 2015, 08:37 PM
Mar 2015

it raises the issue of what your good sense makes of it. While I think you are right it still doesn't pass the test of making sense...

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
129. More of a case of "branding"
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 12:22 PM
Mar 2015

It's probably more of a case of creating a connection in your mind that wasn't there before. They seem to believe it has worked because the commercials continue to employ the image, and in fact they've made a bit of a "logo" out of the silhouette of the image. It doesn't have to make sense, it just has to stick in your mind.

Dish seems to be doing the same attempt with the Rob Lowe commercials. They are trying to create an equivalency in peoples mind that "cable = bad". Dunno if it is working. I know I hate the commercials. Some are down right creepy.

CTyankee

(63,926 posts)
130. I think you are right. It's so bad and nonsensical it has US spending time discussing it!
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 05:44 PM
Mar 2015

It might have been their intention all along. I wouldn't put it past them.

I see these commercials constantly on MSNBC when I'm trying to watch the shows. It seems to bespeak a certain group of their watchers. I don't see them that often on network shows, but then I don't watch that much TV.

 

dissentient

(861 posts)
15. These drug pushers are relentless
Sun Mar 15, 2015, 05:21 PM
Mar 2015

they are no different from the common street thugs selling their crap, except they get to do it legally on tv.

DirkGently

(12,151 posts)
21. Men's sexual enjoyment > women's health, amirite?
Sun Mar 15, 2015, 05:34 PM
Mar 2015

Yes, it's bullshit. And the boner pill commercials never stop. They're ALL creepy.

DirkGently

(12,151 posts)
49. I believe it also makes sense if you read the OP.
Sun Mar 15, 2015, 07:52 PM
Mar 2015

Men's erections are well-supported by health insurance. The results of those erections, to the extent they impact women, are challenged ferociously on the grounds that we all shouldn't be subsidizing women's sex lives.

This despite the fact that missing erections affect men's health approximately zero much, while birth control has radically greater impact on women's health.

I don't find that at all.

You do?

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
67. The OP is about a television commercial, not the extent of health insurance coverage.
Sun Mar 15, 2015, 08:41 PM
Mar 2015

FWIW, I think both a healthy sex life- an important part of many peoples' lives, wouldn't you agree- AND full reproductive coverage ought to be covered by health insurance, but, then I support a SPHC system so many of these distinctions would be rendered sort of moot if I had my way.

If you want to argue with the people who make this bullshit noise about "don't subsidize womens sex lives", perhaps you would get more traction if you were talking to one of them, or at the very least their supposedly progressive enablers who do things like support the Ed Meese/AFA "family values/morality in media" gang, when it suits their agenda.

I am not one of those people, however.

DirkGently

(12,151 posts)
69. The OP talks about more than the commercial
Sun Mar 15, 2015, 08:50 PM
Mar 2015

which is pretty obvious.

And it's creepy. It's creepy there are that many ads, and it is creepy the way erections are fall fun and hottubs, and preventing unwanted pregnancy is a women's problem because she shouldn't be having all that sex.

It's lovely you recognize that as "bullshit noise," but not entirely clear why you find the connection between that thought and the endless stream of gleeful boner pill commercials so unfathomable.

I'd say you were being deliberately obtuse if I didn't know you generally make better sense than that.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
70. If the gleeful boner pill commercials were somehow linked to the religious right, maybe
Sun Mar 15, 2015, 08:59 PM
Mar 2015

but.... they're not.

The same pharma companies that make erection medicines, also make the birth control pills.

It's a too-convenient target which is actually a distraction from the real thing, namely coverage for reproductive health care.

I don't have a dog in this hunt, I don't need gleeful boner pills. And I think contraception should be covered by health plans.

DirkGently

(12,151 posts)
90. The attitudes are linked, obviously.
Sun Mar 15, 2015, 10:59 PM
Mar 2015

Sex is all bearskin rugs and firelit encounters when Grandad wants to get his freak on, but birth control is all eww why should insurance cover your lady sex?

That's 'Merica talking, right there, like it or not.

The culture having that dissonance is part of a whole. But you think that observation unfairly impugns the boner pills ... or something?

If you really don't care, why stretch so hard to complain about the OP?

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
93. Actually, I got into the subthread by responding to your assertion, not the OP.
Sun Mar 15, 2015, 11:57 PM
Mar 2015

I think it's a vast oversimplification to suggest that somehow this is about "men's sexual enjoyment>womens reproductive health" or whatever you put, up there.

Speaking of compalining, the thing which really seems to bug people about this ad is NOT that it's "boner pills" but that it's an old dude with a younger woman. I don't know, personally I don't really care who fucks who as long as they're all consenting adults, but I do know that some people seem to have some fairly large axes to grind around that shit. Some people seem to be able to complain about just about anything. Like, when there was a draino commercial with an older woman and two "sexy" plumber dudes, they complained about THAT, too.

Nevertheless that has nothing to do with prescription drug coverage, does it?

But then a lot of these narratives depend on huge oversimplifications, broad generalizations, etc. There has to be one black and white problem, represented by all the blank who uniformly do or think x when they ought to do or think y.

But "Merica" isn't a monolith, and the universe isn't a series of easily identifiable 2 dimensional cardboard cutouts. And "the culture" is a whole bunch of different things and currents and cultures and NOT one thing. Hell, I feel like I'm talking to people from fucking mars half the time just when I deal with folks east of the Mississippi. They're fucking flabbergasted that 4 states have legalized marijuana, which certainly all the beltway conventional east coast nabobs would have told you up until a couple years ago was a non-issue and a political loser. How does the idea of one monolithic "culture" explain that shit?

It doesn't.

I don't care about boner pills being "impugned" but that doesn't mean I'm going not to call intellectually lazy arguments which pretend to conflate totally unrelated shit, what they actually are.

Or another example: I guarantee you that the demographics watching the cialis commercials - and certainly the folks whose grandchildren haven't informed them about these newfangled things called DVRs, which mostly render the whole idea of "commercials" pretty much moot - ...leaving aside the rare 20something woman who may actually be having sex with silver-haired cialis dude in a bathtub.... are NOT, for the most part, the same age groups who still have to worry about birth control.

DirkGently

(12,151 posts)
115. The OP made the same assertion, I believe.
Wed Mar 18, 2015, 12:05 PM
Mar 2015


Am I the only one that is bothered by this, when Republicans are so damn eager to make sure women have no access to birth control or abortions? It just struck me as perverse.


Again, you're being deliberately obtuse in my opinion. Our culture celebrates limitless male sexuality, then purses its dainty lips like the Church Lady when anything having to do with the consequences of that sexuality to women is invoked.

You won't see any cutesy commercials about the joys of female contraception, because that's dirty and not fun, and according to many, not even part of anyone's right to health care or insurance.

Not sure why you find that connection offensive, but it's there whether it irritates you or not.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
122. Okay, several days later, here, but let me ask a general question: How old are you?
Wed Mar 18, 2015, 06:02 PM
Mar 2015

Because if you're like the general demographic outlay of DU, or even if you're like me- someone who skews young for DU but old for the rest of the internet- then I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but "the culture" isn't anything you or I have our fingers on.

"The culture", again, is not monolithic, but whatever monolith there is, is comprised of the people who saw Paul McCartney on stage at the Superbowl and said "who is that old guy"?

Again, not welcome news, I understand. But truth.

It's interesting though that commercials which DO portray female sexual enjoyment as cutesy and fun ALSO piss off the perpetually culturally outraged, so I guess there's no winning.

Response to DirkGently (Reply #69)

DirkGently

(12,151 posts)
89. Actually, the OP says this
Sun Mar 15, 2015, 10:51 PM
Mar 2015

Am I the only one that is bothered by this, when Republicans are so damn eager to make sure women have no access to birth control or abortions? It just struck me as perverse


Or was that paragraph invisible?

My observation on what's creepy is actually my own.

Actually.


MADem

(135,425 posts)
23. You have seen a cialis commercial that isn't creepy?
Sun Mar 15, 2015, 05:38 PM
Mar 2015

Not to get too nosy, but someone must have non-standard reproductive equipment if they can "do it" while each is sitting in two claw-footed tubs on a cliff!!!

And yes, the age disparity (it's at least twenty years, often more) between the women and the men reminds me of sleazy businessmen who are out and about with their "niece" -- not a good look.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
40. You've gotta be a toothy grinning moron if you think a "herbal male enhancement"
Sun Mar 15, 2015, 07:31 PM
Mar 2015

Is gonna make your dick get bigger.


Well, you know, sucker born every minute.

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Rex

(65,616 posts)
50. Setting genders aside, do you think a relationship can be healthy between at 21 yr old and 64 yr old
Sun Mar 15, 2015, 07:57 PM
Mar 2015

I can see all kinds of problems developing. AND that is not normal or considered normal in our society.

I don't know if that was the OPs intent...but I wonder why there has to be ED commercials in the first place. I would think a person that has problems with sexual arousal would talk to their doctor about it anyway. I guess some men need commercials to remind them where to get pecker pills.

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Rex

(65,616 posts)
58. Good point.
Sun Mar 15, 2015, 08:06 PM
Mar 2015

In the end, it really is none of any of our business. Society seems to be very sporadic at times with what is and what is not 'normal' I will agree with you there.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
107. It's an extremely embarrassing subject.
Mon Mar 16, 2015, 11:52 AM
Mar 2015

Culturally, men are supposed to fuck damn near anything willing that crosses their path. If the man's equipment stops working, that yanks the rug out from what our culture defines as important for men.

That makes it highly embarrassing to bring up, and men are already far less likely to talk to doctors about any health problem.

But mostly this is about demographics. The largest bloc of consumers are still Baby Boomers, so ads reflect that. The ads used to be "drink our beer and you'll be a stud surrounded by women in bikinis", with the obvious implication about what is supposed to happen off-screen. Now it's "take our pill and you'll still be able to fuck". The targets for the ads are just older, so it's a different product.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
72. I thought it was creepy.
Sun Mar 15, 2015, 09:01 PM
Mar 2015

The context of the commercial. When I see a commercial with chic, empowered women cuddling in a hammock with a 20-something man praising how a female boner pill gave her a new lease on life, etc., I'll take your comment seriously.

context

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KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
91. it's a commercial. They aren't real people so they don't actaully have a relationship-
Sun Mar 15, 2015, 11:31 PM
Mar 2015

Movies, best-sellers, videos, commercials are all part of our collective consciousness.

When we talk about this sort of thing we aren't referring to individuals but cultural norms.

The FACT is, older women aren't considered attractive or desirable.

Older men are.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
128. Well, not really. Not unless they are really, really rich.
Wed Mar 18, 2015, 10:23 PM
Mar 2015

And that is only desirable in the sense that they are a meal ticket, not that they are actually physically desirable. Take a good look around sometime.

spooky3

(34,523 posts)
73. A 60-something woman paired with 21-year-old man? I doubt you'll find many people
Sun Mar 15, 2015, 09:02 PM
Mar 2015

who think that's just another "live and let live" situation.

GaltFreeDiet

(72 posts)
55. SO FUCKING WHAT?
Sun Mar 15, 2015, 08:04 PM
Mar 2015

Last I checked a 21 year old woman is AN ADULT!
She has the right to date ANYONE she chooses! It's none of your fucking business.
The people who don't like it are nosy, judgmental ASSHOLES.

Response to prayin4rain (Reply #80)

Quantess

(27,630 posts)
76. Did you read the 2nd paragraph of the OP?
Sun Mar 15, 2015, 09:09 PM
Mar 2015

The recent efforts to prevent family planning, but not a peep of complaint about boner pills are what chaps women's hides.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
81. Yeah, because tons of 21 year old women are just
Sun Mar 15, 2015, 09:43 PM
Mar 2015

lining up to date senior citizens. It's so realistic.

Duppers

(28,132 posts)
85. !!
Sun Mar 15, 2015, 10:08 PM
Mar 2015

Age of sexual consent in Austria, Germany, Portugal is 14. In many parts of Asia it's 13. It wouldn't matter to you if the female in the commercial was that young, as long as it was "legal," it seems. Men who like females 40 to 50 yrs younger than themselves have psychological issues.

I love DU's ignore function. You're on it ASAP.


Response to Aerows (Original post)

BigDemVoter

(4,158 posts)
64. Ugh.
Sun Mar 15, 2015, 08:36 PM
Mar 2015

What always irritates me is that they'll show some old GOAT with a young, beautiful woman, and we're supposed to take it SERIOUSLY.

BUT when we see an older woman with a young man, it's supposed to be comedy. . . Disgusting double standard.

Response to BigDemVoter (Reply #64)

spooky3

(34,523 posts)
74. comedy--or unfathomable--or horrifying, etc., etc.
Sun Mar 15, 2015, 09:03 PM
Mar 2015

You're absolutely right about the double standard - and it becomes even more clear when you are talking about a 10 or 20 year age gap rather than a 40 year gap.

PeteSelman

(1,508 posts)
77. I see nothing wrong with this at all.
Sun Mar 15, 2015, 09:10 PM
Mar 2015

Creepy? Why? Are you an ageist? Should an older gentleman not be allowed to be with a younger woman?

The birth control/ED pill argument is silly.

drray23

(7,638 posts)
79. so we must be creepy
Sun Mar 15, 2015, 09:36 PM
Mar 2015

My wife is 18 years younger than me. When we got married, I had graying hair since I started graying in my early 40's. We have been happily married for 12 years. I would not have expected such judgmental statements on a progressive board. We were both adult at that time and the fact we got married is our business, nobody else. After all, the RW is pushing the same arguments when it comes to LGBT people. Discriminating is wrong for any reason. Wether its ageism, racism (people used to think mixed marriages were creepy) or homophobia does not change anything.

Response to Skittles (Reply #87)

fadedrose

(10,044 posts)
96. What's sickening is the way they smile at each other
Mon Mar 16, 2015, 12:58 AM
Mar 2015

they could barely kiss with all their teeth showing...

 

L0oniX

(31,493 posts)
106. I'm 86 and I can't keep the gangs of 18 yo blue eyed blondes off of me.
Mon Mar 16, 2015, 11:50 AM
Mar 2015


When are people going to realize that the thought of being with an old man is repulsive to young girls.
 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
114. Repulsive is relative
Mon Mar 16, 2015, 12:36 PM
Mar 2015

To some, not having that Givenchy bag is intolerable. Sleeping with an old guy might not be too bad by comparison.

For some reason this reminds me of the Pretty Woman scene where Julia Roberts is getting blinged up. Gere looked twice her age in that movie.

 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
112. They've been gross to me since the first Viagra commercials
Mon Mar 16, 2015, 12:17 PM
Mar 2015

Now instead of guys pitching it, they have good looking older women. One has an upper class sounding English accent.

They show her in a beach house alone, as if these pills really aren't for your wife. So you get the distinct impression that she's a mistress just sitting around, lonely, waiting for her guy to show up with the ED medication. It's really so over-the-top right now. Janet Jackson's boob was nowhere near as bad as these ads.

dubient

(34 posts)
119. Personally
Wed Mar 18, 2015, 12:36 PM
Mar 2015

I would like to see an ED commercial with an older gay couple. I'm sure a massive freak out would ensue.

Response to Aerows (Original post)

treestar

(82,383 posts)
125. Usually it is an older couple shown
Wed Mar 18, 2015, 09:36 PM
Mar 2015

On those ads. The wife is usually age appropriate. Because is who they are marketing to. A 21 year old woman can find a man who doesn't need the drug

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
131. Why wouldn't insurance cover a physiological dysfunction
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 06:00 PM
Mar 2015

with multiple effective treatments?

Americans REALLY have to get over their irrationality around SEX

Sexual behavior isn't an optional usually sinful part of life

Erectile dysfunction is not strictly comparable to birth control even if both intersect with sexual function.

Generations of women have fought for both menstruation and pregnancy to NOT be considered a disease.

IMO Women must have legal rights to self-defense against unwanted pregnancy, but that is really independent of treatments for various forms of sexual dysfunction

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
138. I think I get it. You want to ridicule the historic fairness of insurance coverage
Sat Mar 21, 2015, 07:49 AM
Mar 2015

for birth control pills, and condescending dismissal of ed treatment was tool you chose to accomplish that.

I do get that.

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
135. I have yet to see a Cialis or Viagra commercial that didn't give me the creeps...
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 10:25 PM
Mar 2015

If not for the commercial itself; then what I have to look forward to as an aging man.

Vinca

(50,323 posts)
139. My new "favorite" Cialis commercial is the one where they try to solve 2 probems:
Sat Mar 21, 2015, 08:03 AM
Mar 2015

erectile dysfunction and benign prostatic hypertrophy (I hate cutesy initials for disease). The first scene is the usual spiel about spur-of-the-moment sex. The next is a couple in the stands at a sporting event and the announcer lets you know that you won't have to suddenly find a bathroom if you take Cialis. I'm sure the vast majority of watchers think to themselves, "Who wants to have sex in a dirty, old, stadium bathroom anyway?"

Quantess

(27,630 posts)
141. Maybe she's portrayed as a prostitute in the commercial?
Sat Mar 21, 2015, 08:33 AM
Mar 2015

Everyone seems to be pointing out the unlikelihood that this is a loving couple. But it could happen for a price!

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