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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI just saw a creepy Cialis commercial
You know, the erection pills. It was a guy with silver hair that was easily in his sixties cuddled up with a woman that barely looked over 21.
Am I the only one that is bothered by this, when Republicans are so damn eager to make sure women have no access to birth control or abortions? It just struck me as perverse.
femmocrat
(28,394 posts)Even without the "age" factor. Those people get turned on by painting a bench, cleaning out an attic, or watching a kids' football game? Really???
Panich52
(5,829 posts)condom or other contraceptive...
Aerows
(39,961 posts)This is covered under insurance plans far and wide, but heaven forbid women want access to contraceptives.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)for birth control to be covered under an insurance policy as boner pills - can't speak for the other poster, but that's absolutely my view on the subject.
Logical
(22,457 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)that is kind of related.
There is FAR LESS need for boner pills that birth control. How is a man not being able to get it up in any way more detrimental to their life than a woman getting pregnant, including through force, use of said birth control pills for hormone regulation, and to treat other medical conditions?
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)'boner' pills, as you call them, are not fully covered by most insurance. There's a limit on the number of pills per month, and if one was prescribed Cialis for everyday use as a means of dealing with BPH, then they're out of luck.
For the record, I do support BCP's being fully covered by insurance, even in the case of so-called 'religious' employers. I favor all prescriptions being covered equally and fully, even the overadvertised ones.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Advertising is about getting people to buy shit, if it's shit they DONT need that's even better.
The shit people actually need doesnt need advertising.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)11 Bravo
(23,928 posts)what else do you not allow him to do? And does he also get he decide what medications you are allowed to take?
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)Skittles
(153,275 posts)I could never respect a man I could order around
unless they were paying me, of course
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)He is respected by many people including me!
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)leftofcool
(19,460 posts)Any more questions?
snooper2
(30,151 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)hearing about this ENORMOUS problem until relatively recently. I just mentioned in another thread how our airwaves are now flooded with Big Pharma ads, hardly any other kind of ads, I almost miss the old ones for washing machines etc. And then the Lawyer ads, 'if you were prescribed this product, and are suffering from 'these' symptoms, please call Wellness, Wellness & Sickusonthem unless you're dead in which case please have your loved ones call 999-999-9999, you may be entitled to compensation'.
It woud be interesting to start counting them, noting the products, then watching for the lawsuits to see how many of them are sued.
It's hilarious. Legal pill pushing.
Logical
(22,457 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)not just for 'recreational purposes' or to get rid of a headache or stay on medications far longer than is needed.
My MIL, eg, died because she was on statins she didn't need and had been taken off by her heart doctor. But she went to the ER for a minor issue, was found to be okay, and PUT BACK on a statin, that so thinned her blood a needed surgical procedure could not be performed a few later. She didn't NEED it.
Take it when needed, but from what I can see everyone is on drugs. Headaches go away, cuts heal, no need for a pill every time you sneeze.
But we are drug culture now, legal and illegal.
And the TV Ads are like ads for candy lately.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Recreation is a part of life.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)ND-Dem
(4,571 posts)vacuum cleaners, hair crèam, shoe cream, shaving cream, furniture, bras, koolaid, toys, hand soap, dish soap, laundry soap, bandaids, deodorant, TVs, TV dinners, coffee, beer, soda, fast food, cigarettes, cereal...
my theory is it's just 2 corporations that own everything, so they don't need ads anymore. found out the other day that one corporation/holding co owns most furniture companies AND most shoe companies. And "Buster Brown" is still a brand of shoes. And the merger between shoes and furniture happened longer ago than we think and the merger of most shoe companies happened even longer ago.
now it's financial services, boner pills, insurance...
Aerows
(39,961 posts)That sounds about as digestible and swell as "Toxic Waste Arsenic Bars"!
ND-Dem
(4,571 posts)jeff47
(26,549 posts)The largest bloc of consumers is still the Baby Boomers. So companies are still marketing to them.
They already have cars and washers and dryers. But they're getting older, and the menfolk are getting distressed that they aren't 18 anymore.
You'll continue to see ads move up the "age ladder" until the number of baby boomers dwindle. Then marketers will have to figure out how to actually reach younger generations.
ND-Dem
(4,571 posts)People under 20 years of age made up over a quarter of the U.S. population (27.3%), and people age 65 and over made up one-eighth (12.8%) in 2009.[12]
The national median age was 36.8 years.[12]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_United_States#U.S._demographic_birth_cohorts
jeff47
(26,549 posts)You have to have money to be a consumer. 20-somethings are broke. 50-somethings aren't. Which one is gonna get more ads on TV?
Also, you have to consider the media carrying the ad. TV audiences skew much older than the population in general. Just like you won't see a lot of tampon ads in Playboy, ads on TV are going to skew towards older consumers.
Lastly, the youngest Boomers are in their 50s now. 65 and up doesn't cover them.
ND-Dem
(4,571 posts)jeff47
(26,549 posts)ND-Dem
(4,571 posts)Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)ND-Dem
(4,571 posts)Xithras
(16,191 posts)Loss of sexual function is a major cause of age related depression in men. In fact, chronic health issues that lead to loss of body functionality is the leading cause of new depression cases in older men. Suicide rates among older adults with late onset depression are actually higher than among younger populations with diagnosed depression, largely due to the fact that the triggers for late onset depression are often chronic with no hope of any cure or improvement.
The link between the loss of male sexual functionality and suicide has been documented for more than a century. Much of it is cultural in origin, because our society places such a high value on youthful virility, but it is a very real problem for those who are facing the fact that a core part of their self-identification has been destroyed.
If you want to see this in action, just talk to any oncologist. Nearly all of them can tell you stories about men with prostate cancer who chose death over cancer surgeries that would have left them alive but impotent.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)confined to THIS culture? People in other cultures seem to be a lot happier overall. I wonder why that is?
We are not among the happiest cultures on the scale of 'happy nations'.
Pills can't solve everything, except on a temporary basis.
How about women? Growing older in the US seems to be almost an affliction, whereas in other cultures it is a GOAL to be reached and respect is earned.
Maybe rather than trying to find quick fixes, some studies on how to change the culture regarding expectations, the focus on youth, which is short lived, would be a better longterm fix.
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)steve2470
(37,457 posts)Quackers
(2,256 posts)Depression and suicide due to ED is more common than people think. I know you weren't intentionally implying that people don't kill themselves over this, but I felt it was important to bring attention to the issue.
ETA: sorry, I just seen someone else address this down thread. I didn't mean to hit you with all of the same info again.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)Thanks for your response. If it is something directly related to the culture we live in, then a pill is really only a temporary 'fix'. Seems to be something that requires more than that. Eg, I wonder if there are stats on this issue in other countries where cultural pressures on men are not the same as they are here?
boston bean
(36,224 posts)Just a woman laying on a bed, wishing and hoping.....
Aerows
(39,961 posts)I just saw it in passing - I avoid as much television as possible.
boston bean
(36,224 posts)and just for some fun
Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)Hate, hate, hate.
boston bean
(36,224 posts)but to market a drug for men to women, puts this on a whole other level.
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)woolldog
(8,791 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)And their supporters in Congress and Wall Street.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)i wouldnt have any sequiturs at all!
elfin
(6,262 posts)I hate them and especially the fact they appear all day on regular TV - not in later night programs aimed at adults. And that such pills are covered, but birth contraceptives are not in many plans.
Blue_Adept
(6,402 posts)Are on all day now.
Because kids generally have access to kids programming on kids channels where these kinds of ads don't are, like disney xd, nick and other networks.
Considering the number of adults that now work from home and other hours as opposed to the "traditional" 9-5, if you were marketing things, wouldn't you market it throughout the day to get to your audience?
malaise
(269,263 posts)Funny how they don't worry about the children's sensibilities these days - remember when they were going after Clinton.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)and all of that bs. It was just freaking creepy.
ND-Dem
(4,571 posts)ask why the nice people are taking baths outside, though.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)They're targeting the same demographic. They're just older now, so they are targets for different products.
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)They look as if they'd be uncomfortable for two.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)of some silver haired dude cuddling in a hammock with a 21 year old as though that is in anyway normal or should be expected of any man in his late sixties was just icky.
CTyankee
(63,926 posts)zipplewrath
(16,646 posts)So you want to make an illusion to sex, but you can't be too explicit because you want to run these commercials at all times of the day and night. Kinda makes nudity hard to achieve. There's one situation that you can show anytime where people are naked, that's in the bath tub. Of course you can't put them in the SAME tub. So you put two tubs where there is no other reason for two naked people to be together, and voila! You can have naked people anytime of the day and night. Not like you ever see soap or water in those tubs do ya?
CTyankee
(63,926 posts)it raises the issue of what your good sense makes of it. While I think you are right it still doesn't pass the test of making sense...
zipplewrath
(16,646 posts)It's probably more of a case of creating a connection in your mind that wasn't there before. They seem to believe it has worked because the commercials continue to employ the image, and in fact they've made a bit of a "logo" out of the silhouette of the image. It doesn't have to make sense, it just has to stick in your mind.
Dish seems to be doing the same attempt with the Rob Lowe commercials. They are trying to create an equivalency in peoples mind that "cable = bad". Dunno if it is working. I know I hate the commercials. Some are down right creepy.
CTyankee
(63,926 posts)It might have been their intention all along. I wouldn't put it past them.
I see these commercials constantly on MSNBC when I'm trying to watch the shows. It seems to bespeak a certain group of their watchers. I don't see them that often on network shows, but then I don't watch that much TV.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Yea, that makes sense.
Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)dissentient
(861 posts)they are no different from the common street thugs selling their crap, except they get to do it legally on tv.
DirkGently
(12,151 posts)Yes, it's bullshit. And the boner pill commercials never stop. They're ALL creepy.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)If that was what the commercial was about.
DirkGently
(12,151 posts)Men's erections are well-supported by health insurance. The results of those erections, to the extent they impact women, are challenged ferociously on the grounds that we all shouldn't be subsidizing women's sex lives.
This despite the fact that missing erections affect men's health approximately zero much, while birth control has radically greater impact on women's health.
I don't find that at all.
You do?
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)FWIW, I think both a healthy sex life- an important part of many peoples' lives, wouldn't you agree- AND full reproductive coverage ought to be covered by health insurance, but, then I support a SPHC system so many of these distinctions would be rendered sort of moot if I had my way.
If you want to argue with the people who make this bullshit noise about "don't subsidize womens sex lives", perhaps you would get more traction if you were talking to one of them, or at the very least their supposedly progressive enablers who do things like support the Ed Meese/AFA "family values/morality in media" gang, when it suits their agenda.
I am not one of those people, however.
DirkGently
(12,151 posts)which is pretty obvious.
And it's creepy. It's creepy there are that many ads, and it is creepy the way erections are fall fun and hottubs, and preventing unwanted pregnancy is a women's problem because she shouldn't be having all that sex.
It's lovely you recognize that as "bullshit noise," but not entirely clear why you find the connection between that thought and the endless stream of gleeful boner pill commercials so unfathomable.
I'd say you were being deliberately obtuse if I didn't know you generally make better sense than that.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)but.... they're not.
The same pharma companies that make erection medicines, also make the birth control pills.
It's a too-convenient target which is actually a distraction from the real thing, namely coverage for reproductive health care.
I don't have a dog in this hunt, I don't need gleeful boner pills. And I think contraception should be covered by health plans.
DirkGently
(12,151 posts)Sex is all bearskin rugs and firelit encounters when Grandad wants to get his freak on, but birth control is all eww why should insurance cover your lady sex?
That's 'Merica talking, right there, like it or not.
The culture having that dissonance is part of a whole. But you think that observation unfairly impugns the boner pills ... or something?
If you really don't care, why stretch so hard to complain about the OP?
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)I think it's a vast oversimplification to suggest that somehow this is about "men's sexual enjoyment>womens reproductive health" or whatever you put, up there.
Speaking of compalining, the thing which really seems to bug people about this ad is NOT that it's "boner pills" but that it's an old dude with a younger woman. I don't know, personally I don't really care who fucks who as long as they're all consenting adults, but I do know that some people seem to have some fairly large axes to grind around that shit. Some people seem to be able to complain about just about anything. Like, when there was a draino commercial with an older woman and two "sexy" plumber dudes, they complained about THAT, too.
Nevertheless that has nothing to do with prescription drug coverage, does it?
But then a lot of these narratives depend on huge oversimplifications, broad generalizations, etc. There has to be one black and white problem, represented by all the blank who uniformly do or think x when they ought to do or think y.
But "Merica" isn't a monolith, and the universe isn't a series of easily identifiable 2 dimensional cardboard cutouts. And "the culture" is a whole bunch of different things and currents and cultures and NOT one thing. Hell, I feel like I'm talking to people from fucking mars half the time just when I deal with folks east of the Mississippi. They're fucking flabbergasted that 4 states have legalized marijuana, which certainly all the beltway conventional east coast nabobs would have told you up until a couple years ago was a non-issue and a political loser. How does the idea of one monolithic "culture" explain that shit?
It doesn't.
I don't care about boner pills being "impugned" but that doesn't mean I'm going not to call intellectually lazy arguments which pretend to conflate totally unrelated shit, what they actually are.
Or another example: I guarantee you that the demographics watching the cialis commercials - and certainly the folks whose grandchildren haven't informed them about these newfangled things called DVRs, which mostly render the whole idea of "commercials" pretty much moot - ...leaving aside the rare 20something woman who may actually be having sex with silver-haired cialis dude in a bathtub.... are NOT, for the most part, the same age groups who still have to worry about birth control.
DirkGently
(12,151 posts)Again, you're being deliberately obtuse in my opinion. Our culture celebrates limitless male sexuality, then purses its dainty lips like the Church Lady when anything having to do with the consequences of that sexuality to women is invoked.
You won't see any cutesy commercials about the joys of female contraception, because that's dirty and not fun, and according to many, not even part of anyone's right to health care or insurance.
Not sure why you find that connection offensive, but it's there whether it irritates you or not.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Because if you're like the general demographic outlay of DU, or even if you're like me- someone who skews young for DU but old for the rest of the internet- then I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but "the culture" isn't anything you or I have our fingers on.
"The culture", again, is not monolithic, but whatever monolith there is, is comprised of the people who saw Paul McCartney on stage at the Superbowl and said "who is that old guy"?
Again, not welcome news, I understand. But truth.
It's interesting though that commercials which DO portray female sexual enjoyment as cutesy and fun ALSO piss off the perpetually culturally outraged, so I guess there's no winning.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)You have a good point.
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DirkGently
(12,151 posts)Am I the only one that is bothered by this, when Republicans are so damn eager to make sure women have no access to birth control or abortions? It just struck me as perverse
Or was that paragraph invisible?
My observation on what's creepy is actually my own.
Actually.
Lint Head
(15,064 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)Not to get too nosy, but someone must have non-standard reproductive equipment if they can "do it" while each is sitting in two claw-footed tubs on a cliff!!!
And yes, the age disparity (it's at least twenty years, often more) between the women and the men reminds me of sleazy businessmen who are out and about with their "niece" -- not a good look.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)That's a "comedian on stage"-worthy remark!!!!
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ismnotwasm
(42,023 posts)"broke dick Bob"
(poor quality, but this skit had me laughing)
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Is gonna make your dick get bigger.
Well, you know, sucker born every minute.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)I hate those commercials.
PasadenaTrudy
(3,998 posts)olddots
(10,237 posts)and made love to bath tub .
shenmue
(38,506 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Problem solved
Luminous Animal
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Rex
(65,616 posts)I can see all kinds of problems developing. AND that is not normal or considered normal in our society.
I don't know if that was the OPs intent...but I wonder why there has to be ED commercials in the first place. I would think a person that has problems with sexual arousal would talk to their doctor about it anyway. I guess some men need commercials to remind them where to get pecker pills.
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Rex
(65,616 posts)In the end, it really is none of any of our business. Society seems to be very sporadic at times with what is and what is not 'normal' I will agree with you there.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)Culturally, men are supposed to fuck damn near anything willing that crosses their path. If the man's equipment stops working, that yanks the rug out from what our culture defines as important for men.
That makes it highly embarrassing to bring up, and men are already far less likely to talk to doctors about any health problem.
But mostly this is about demographics. The largest bloc of consumers are still Baby Boomers, so ads reflect that. The ads used to be "drink our beer and you'll be a stud surrounded by women in bikinis", with the obvious implication about what is supposed to happen off-screen. Now it's "take our pill and you'll still be able to fuck". The targets for the ads are just older, so it's a different product.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)The context of the commercial. When I see a commercial with chic, empowered women cuddling in a hammock with a 20-something man praising how a female boner pill gave her a new lease on life, etc., I'll take your comment seriously.
context
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KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)Movies, best-sellers, videos, commercials are all part of our collective consciousness.
When we talk about this sort of thing we aren't referring to individuals but cultural norms.
The FACT is, older women aren't considered attractive or desirable.
Older men are.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)And that is only desirable in the sense that they are a meal ticket, not that they are actually physically desirable. Take a good look around sometime.
spooky3
(34,523 posts)who think that's just another "live and let live" situation.
GaltFreeDiet
(72 posts)Last I checked a 21 year old woman is AN ADULT!
She has the right to date ANYONE she chooses! It's none of your fucking business.
The people who don't like it are nosy, judgmental ASSHOLES.
prayin4rain
(2,065 posts)GaltFreeDiet
(72 posts)nt
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AngryAmish
(25,704 posts)Quantess
(27,630 posts)The recent efforts to prevent family planning, but not a peep of complaint about boner pills are what chaps women's hides.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)lining up to date senior citizens. It's so realistic.
Age of sexual consent in Austria, Germany, Portugal is 14. In many parts of Asia it's 13. It wouldn't matter to you if the female in the commercial was that young, as long as it was "legal," it seems. Men who like females 40 to 50 yrs younger than themselves have psychological issues.
I love DU's ignore function. You're on it ASAP.
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BigDemVoter
(4,158 posts)What always irritates me is that they'll show some old GOAT with a young, beautiful woman, and we're supposed to take it SERIOUSLY.
BUT when we see an older woman with a young man, it's supposed to be comedy. . . Disgusting double standard.
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spooky3
(34,523 posts)You're absolutely right about the double standard - and it becomes even more clear when you are talking about a 10 or 20 year age gap rather than a 40 year gap.
PeteSelman
(1,508 posts)Creepy? Why? Are you an ageist? Should an older gentleman not be allowed to be with a younger woman?
The birth control/ED pill argument is silly.
drray23
(7,638 posts)My wife is 18 years younger than me. When we got married, I had graying hair since I started graying in my early 40's. We have been happily married for 12 years. I would not have expected such judgmental statements on a progressive board. We were both adult at that time and the fact we got married is our business, nobody else. After all, the RW is pushing the same arguments when it comes to LGBT people. Discriminating is wrong for any reason. Wether its ageism, racism (people used to think mixed marriages were creepy) or homophobia does not change anything.
840high
(17,196 posts)was engaged to a man 16 years older than me.
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Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)fadedrose
(10,044 posts)they could barely kiss with all their teeth showing...
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)When are people going to realize that the thought of being with an old man is repulsive to young girls.
LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)To some, not having that Givenchy bag is intolerable. Sleeping with an old guy might not be too bad by comparison.
For some reason this reminds me of the Pretty Woman scene where Julia Roberts is getting blinged up. Gere looked twice her age in that movie.
LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)Now instead of guys pitching it, they have good looking older women. One has an upper class sounding English accent.
They show her in a beach house alone, as if these pills really aren't for your wife. So you get the distinct impression that she's a mistress just sitting around, lonely, waiting for her guy to show up with the ED medication. It's really so over-the-top right now. Janet Jackson's boob was nowhere near as bad as these ads.
namastea42
(96 posts)dubient
(34 posts)I would like to see an ED commercial with an older gay couple. I'm sure a massive freak out would ensue.
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treestar
(82,383 posts)On those ads. The wife is usually age appropriate. Because is who they are marketing to. A 21 year old woman can find a man who doesn't need the drug
liberal N proud
(60,352 posts)And until, Obamacare, birth control pills were not.
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)with multiple effective treatments?
Americans REALLY have to get over their irrationality around SEX
Sexual behavior isn't an optional usually sinful part of life
Erectile dysfunction is not strictly comparable to birth control even if both intersect with sexual function.
Generations of women have fought for both menstruation and pregnancy to NOT be considered a disease.
IMO Women must have legal rights to self-defense against unwanted pregnancy, but that is really independent of treatments for various forms of sexual dysfunction
liberal N proud
(60,352 posts)HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)for birth control pills, and condescending dismissal of ed treatment was tool you chose to accomplish that.
I do get that.
liberal N proud
(60,352 posts)edbermac
(15,950 posts)I didn't know whether I was coming or going.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)If not for the commercial itself; then what I have to look forward to as an aging man.
Vinca
(50,323 posts)erectile dysfunction and benign prostatic hypertrophy (I hate cutesy initials for disease). The first scene is the usual spiel about spur-of-the-moment sex. The next is a couple in the stands at a sporting event and the announcer lets you know that you won't have to suddenly find a bathroom if you take Cialis. I'm sure the vast majority of watchers think to themselves, "Who wants to have sex in a dirty, old, stadium bathroom anyway?"
Quantess
(27,630 posts)Everyone seems to be pointing out the unlikelihood that this is a loving couple. But it could happen for a price!