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Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
Sun Mar 15, 2015, 06:57 AM Mar 2015

Ring proves Netanyahu's Scandinavian Islamic conspiracy correct.

More than a century after its discovery in a ninth century woman’s grave, an engraved ring has revealed evidence of close contacts between Viking Age Scandinavians and the Islamic world.

Excavators of a Viking trading center in Sweden called Birka recovered the silver ring in the late 1800s. Until now, it was thought that it featured a violet amethyst engraved with Arabic-looking characters. But closer inspection with a scanning electron microscope revealed that the presumed amethyst is colored glass (an exotic material at the time), say biophysicist Sebastian Wärmländer of Stockholm University and his colleagues.

An inscription on the glass inset reads either “for Allah” or “to Allah” in an ancient Arabic script, the researchers report February 23 in Scanning.

Scandinavians traded for fancy glass objects from Egypt and Mesopotamia as early as 3,400 years ago (SN: 1/24/15, p. 8). Thus, seagoing Scandinavians could have acquired glass items from Islamic traders in the same part of the world more than 2,000 years later rather than waiting for such desirable pieces to move north through trade networks.

Ancient texts mention encounters around 1,000 years ago between Scandinavians and members of the Islamic civilization, which stretched from West Asia to Mediterranean lands. Archaeological evidence supporting those accounts, though, is rare.

The inner surface of the Birka ring’s silver body shows virtually no signs of wear. Filing marks made in the final stage of its production are still visible. That suggests that the ring made by an Arabic silversmith had few or no owners before it reached the Viking woman, the researchers say.






https://www.sciencenews.org/article/ring-brings-ancient-viking-islamic-civilizations-closer-together


posted in anthropology forum also...........

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Ring proves Netanyahu's Scandinavian Islamic conspiracy correct. (Original Post) Ichingcarpenter Mar 2015 OP
Another chink in ''The Narrative?'' DeSwiss Mar 2015 #1
Viking trade networks ranged pretty far... JHB Mar 2015 #22
Ichingcarpenter Diclotican Mar 2015 #2
Must I really put a sarcasm warning in the title of the op? Ichingcarpenter Mar 2015 #6
Ichingcarpenter Diclotican Mar 2015 #9
You did see reply #1, did you not? JHB Mar 2015 #23
And I thought this was Alberich's ring of power TexasProgresive Mar 2015 #3
A Viking caliphate! merrily Mar 2015 #4
This proves no conspiracy. alphafemale Mar 2015 #5
Must I really put a sarcasm warning in the title of the op? Ichingcarpenter Mar 2015 #7
nah alphafemale Mar 2015 #8
Highly recommend that you do, esp. since you are part of DU's left. merrily Mar 2015 #10
Regrettably, yes. riqster Mar 2015 #13
I won't do it .......... for the party of stupid Ichingcarpenter Mar 2015 #14
We all can make that choice. riqster Mar 2015 #16
I know you're making a funny, but... malthaussen Mar 2015 #11
IIRC, the protagonist narrator in The 13th Warrior was Muslim HereSince1628 Mar 2015 #12
Based on a real person... Adrahil Mar 2015 #15
My point being 13th Warrior was written in the 60's and is evidence HereSince1628 Mar 2015 #18
Oh,I agree... I was pointing out that we've known about the real dude... Adrahil Mar 2015 #20
I now have something new to read. riqster Mar 2015 #17
The real-life Berlin Expat Mar 2015 #19
Bibi probably got the idea for the Islamic and Nordic connection by watching A Simple Game Mar 2015 #21
"Close contacts" ?? Mmmmmm maybe. eppur_se_muova Mar 2015 #24
 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
1. Another chink in ''The Narrative?''
Sun Mar 15, 2015, 07:20 AM
Mar 2015
- Another case of things being where they shouldn't or couldn't, or oughtn't because they mess-up a mighty good yarn, not to mention careers, book deals and professorships......

K&R

"We live in a society exquisitely dependent on science and technology, in which hardly anyone knows anything about science and technology." ~Carl Sagan

JHB

(37,164 posts)
22. Viking trade networks ranged pretty far...
Sun Mar 15, 2015, 09:58 AM
Mar 2015

Other arabic artifacts have been found in Scandinavia, coins and such. This ring would fit right in.
There are even some from further afield: Buddha statues, things of Chinese origin.

No UFO-level "chinks" in "The Narrative" (whatever it is you mean by that) here. Just old-fashioned (very, very old fashioned) barter and trade.

Diclotican

(5,095 posts)
2. Ichingcarpenter
Sun Mar 15, 2015, 07:41 AM
Mar 2015

Ichingcarpenter

The vikings - was all over the place - including trading with others - that be the arabic world - or even the roman world, as it was discovered in the 1800s, when a treasure of roman gold coins was discovered in a dig - in Denmark... Some of the coins going all the time back to the emperor Augustus no less... Most of it was from the time of the Byzantine Empire, or late Roman period.... But still...

And we know - fron anectional evidences, that norsemen - or their ancestors to be correct - allready in the 200-300 AD, was involved in either fighting the roman empire - or being part of the roman empire as "forreign soldiers" who was equipt, and was commandered by roman offciers, as the empire was trying it best to protect its border against the barbaric onslaugh from the north en of Rhine/Donau - or the germanic tribes...

Still - I think mr Netanyau is way out here now - and I suspect he should either drink less of what he is doing - or more of it to stay sane...

Diclotican

 

alphafemale

(18,497 posts)
5. This proves no conspiracy.
Sun Mar 15, 2015, 07:54 AM
Mar 2015

This only proves that humans have always hungered to see what was on the other side of the hill or over the horizon.

And they liked to bring back pretty geegaws to their beloveds.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
10. Highly recommend that you do, esp. since you are part of DU's left.
Sun Mar 15, 2015, 08:47 AM
Mar 2015

On a thread about Wendy Davis that related to her advocacy for public schools, I posted extreme satire, namely that school kids should be out creating jobs, not using up tax money by attending school. I automatically went for the emote, then decided including it in the post would be far too insulting to DUers. That decision got me my first hide. One or two jurors who voted to hide thought I was a rightist who had somehow escaped scrutiny for a long time. For them, I can feel only sadness. The other jurors who voted no, however, seemed to vote based on my being "leftier than thou." (A direct quote from one of the jurors.)

Sooo, though you should not always need the sarcasm emote, it might save you a hide.

riqster

(13,986 posts)
13. Regrettably, yes.
Sun Mar 15, 2015, 09:41 AM
Mar 2015

Given the limitations of the medium, and the fractious nature of the audience these days.

riqster

(13,986 posts)
16. We all can make that choice.
Sun Mar 15, 2015, 09:49 AM
Mar 2015

Just remember that lots of stupid people thought that Jonathon Swift really was advocating cannibalism.

He made the choice to not initially call his piece out as satire; he also got such responses.

I am too lazy to deal with such eedjits and so use the emoticons.

malthaussen

(17,235 posts)
11. I know you're making a funny, but...
Sun Mar 15, 2015, 08:49 AM
Mar 2015

... links between the vikings and Islam are not news. Ahmad ibn Fadlan described a Norse funeral rite in the Kiev area which is one of the standard pieces of our understanding of viking funerals. That Arabs and Norsemen would meet up on the Dnieper is no big shock. Kind of interesting, though, in light of Mr Putin's rants about the Kieven Rus. It's really all one big conspiracy, you know.

-- Mal

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
12. IIRC, the protagonist narrator in The 13th Warrior was Muslim
Sun Mar 15, 2015, 09:00 AM
Mar 2015

which was built around the modern retelling of Beowolf

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
15. Based on a real person...
Sun Mar 15, 2015, 09:48 AM
Mar 2015

Ahmad ibn Fadlan. He's was a 10th-century Arab who visited the Volga Vikings.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
18. My point being 13th Warrior was written in the 60's and is evidence
Sun Mar 15, 2015, 09:52 AM
Mar 2015

knowledge of the ottoman/Arab world trading connection is long-standing even in popular culture.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
20. Oh,I agree... I was pointing out that we've known about the real dude...
Sun Mar 15, 2015, 09:54 AM
Mar 2015

...a long time too. I wasn't discounting your reference, which is a good one.

Berlin Expat

(950 posts)
19. The real-life
Sun Mar 15, 2015, 09:53 AM
Mar 2015

"13th Warrior" was Ahmad ibn Fadlan ibn al-Abbas ibn Rashid ibn Hammad. A 10th Century CE Arab traveler who left behind a fascinating chronicle of his travels, including being an eyewitness to a Viking funeral.

A Simple Game

(9,214 posts)
21. Bibi probably got the idea for the Islamic and Nordic connection by watching
Sun Mar 15, 2015, 09:56 AM
Mar 2015

this 1999 documentary late one night which clearly shows the Islamic outreach program has been going on for centuries.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_13th_Warrior

eppur_se_muova

(36,317 posts)
24. "Close contacts" ?? Mmmmmm maybe.
Sun Mar 15, 2015, 11:06 AM
Mar 2015

Intermediate trades don't necessarily leave any clues.

FWIW, the Norman descendants of Vikings ended up fighting Arab Muslims for control of Sicily and southern Italy a couple of centuries later. So just because we see these cultures as geographically separated from each other doesn't mean it's always been that way.

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