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More than a century after its discovery in a ninth century womans grave, an engraved ring has revealed evidence of close contacts between Viking Age Scandinavians and the Islamic world.
Excavators of a Viking trading center in Sweden called Birka recovered the silver ring in the late 1800s. Until now, it was thought that it featured a violet amethyst engraved with Arabic-looking characters. But closer inspection with a scanning electron microscope revealed that the presumed amethyst is colored glass (an exotic material at the time), say biophysicist Sebastian Wärmländer of Stockholm University and his colleagues.
An inscription on the glass inset reads either for Allah or to Allah in an ancient Arabic script, the researchers report February 23 in Scanning.
Scandinavians traded for fancy glass objects from Egypt and Mesopotamia as early as 3,400 years ago (SN: 1/24/15, p. 8). Thus, seagoing Scandinavians could have acquired glass items from Islamic traders in the same part of the world more than 2,000 years later rather than waiting for such desirable pieces to move north through trade networks.
Ancient texts mention encounters around 1,000 years ago between Scandinavians and members of the Islamic civilization, which stretched from West Asia to Mediterranean lands. Archaeological evidence supporting those accounts, though, is rare.
The inner surface of the Birka rings silver body shows virtually no signs of wear. Filing marks made in the final stage of its production are still visible. That suggests that the ring made by an Arabic silversmith had few or no owners before it reached the Viking woman, the researchers say.
https://www.sciencenews.org/article/ring-brings-ancient-viking-islamic-civilizations-closer-together
posted in anthropology forum also...........
DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)K&R
"We live in a society exquisitely dependent on science and technology, in which hardly anyone knows anything about science and technology." ~Carl Sagan
JHB
(37,164 posts)Other arabic artifacts have been found in Scandinavia, coins and such. This ring would fit right in.
There are even some from further afield: Buddha statues, things of Chinese origin.
No UFO-level "chinks" in "The Narrative" (whatever it is you mean by that) here. Just old-fashioned (very, very old fashioned) barter and trade.
Diclotican
(5,095 posts)Ichingcarpenter
The vikings - was all over the place - including trading with others - that be the arabic world - or even the roman world, as it was discovered in the 1800s, when a treasure of roman gold coins was discovered in a dig - in Denmark... Some of the coins going all the time back to the emperor Augustus no less... Most of it was from the time of the Byzantine Empire, or late Roman period.... But still...
And we know - fron anectional evidences, that norsemen - or their ancestors to be correct - allready in the 200-300 AD, was involved in either fighting the roman empire - or being part of the roman empire as "forreign soldiers" who was equipt, and was commandered by roman offciers, as the empire was trying it best to protect its border against the barbaric onslaugh from the north en of Rhine/Donau - or the germanic tribes...
Still - I think mr Netanyau is way out here now - and I suspect he should either drink less of what he is doing - or more of it to stay sane...
Diclotican
Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)really?
Diclotican
(5,095 posts)Ichingcarpenter
NO - I do hope not....
Diclotican
JHB
(37,164 posts)TexasProgresive
(12,164 posts)or the one ring to rule them all.
merrily
(45,251 posts)alphafemale
(18,497 posts)This only proves that humans have always hungered to see what was on the other side of the hill or over the horizon.
And they liked to bring back pretty geegaws to their beloveds.
Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)really?
alphafemale
(18,497 posts)I figured it was satire.
But I can not ignore an opportunity like that.
merrily
(45,251 posts)On a thread about Wendy Davis that related to her advocacy for public schools, I posted extreme satire, namely that school kids should be out creating jobs, not using up tax money by attending school. I automatically went for the emote, then decided including it in the post would be far too insulting to DUers. That decision got me my first hide. One or two jurors who voted to hide thought I was a rightist who had somehow escaped scrutiny for a long time. For them, I can feel only sadness. The other jurors who voted no, however, seemed to vote based on my being "leftier than thou." (A direct quote from one of the jurors.)
Sooo, though you should not always need the sarcasm emote, it might save you a hide.
riqster
(13,986 posts)Given the limitations of the medium, and the fractious nature of the audience these days.
Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)or for idiots
riqster
(13,986 posts)Just remember that lots of stupid people thought that Jonathon Swift really was advocating cannibalism.
He made the choice to not initially call his piece out as satire; he also got such responses.
I am too lazy to deal with such eedjits and so use the emoticons.
malthaussen
(17,235 posts)... links between the vikings and Islam are not news. Ahmad ibn Fadlan described a Norse funeral rite in the Kiev area which is one of the standard pieces of our understanding of viking funerals. That Arabs and Norsemen would meet up on the Dnieper is no big shock. Kind of interesting, though, in light of Mr Putin's rants about the Kieven Rus. It's really all one big conspiracy, you know.
-- Mal
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)which was built around the modern retelling of Beowolf
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)Ahmad ibn Fadlan. He's was a 10th-century Arab who visited the Volga Vikings.
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)knowledge of the ottoman/Arab world trading connection is long-standing even in popular culture.
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)...a long time too. I wasn't discounting your reference, which is a good one.
riqster
(13,986 posts)Thanks!!!
Berlin Expat
(950 posts)"13th Warrior" was Ahmad ibn Fadlan ibn al-Abbas ibn Rashid ibn Hammad. A 10th Century CE Arab traveler who left behind a fascinating chronicle of his travels, including being an eyewitness to a Viking funeral.
A Simple Game
(9,214 posts)this 1999 documentary late one night which clearly shows the Islamic outreach program has been going on for centuries.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_13th_Warrior
eppur_se_muova
(36,317 posts)Intermediate trades don't necessarily leave any clues.
FWIW, the Norman descendants of Vikings ended up fighting Arab Muslims for control of Sicily and southern Italy a couple of centuries later. So just because we see these cultures as geographically separated from each other doesn't mean it's always been that way.