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Just heard on news.
This on USA Today: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/03/12/shots-fired-ferguson/70194012/
The police officers possibly from other jurisdictions.
Reuters
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/03/12/us-usa-missouri-shooting-protest-idUSKBN0M80CJ20150312
TheMightyFavog
(13,770 posts)Angleae
(4,498 posts)strawberries
(498 posts)Now we have two sets of truly pissed off groups of people
those who call Ferguson their home
and every single cop in this country
What will happen now, my guess, Ferguson will burn down and everyone will be dispersed.
In all honesty, I think the shooter was a plant
Oktober
(1,488 posts)strawberries
(498 posts)FSS means
Oktober
(1,488 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)May be a crime of opportunity. Vigilantes. Who knows. I'm checking twitter to see what the people there are saying.
daredtowork
(3,732 posts)Almost like an assassination attempt.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)They have some tweets there from folks on scene.
applegrove
(118,869 posts)yuiyoshida
(41,868 posts)Tsiyu
(18,186 posts)that the people of Ferguson are very long-suffering people. To put up with what was in that report is just beyond what any community should have to bear. The courts and cops of Ferguson made it nearly impossible for any of the citizens to get ahead. The courts and cops of Ferguson treated the citizens of the town as merely ATMs they could abuse and exploit at will.
And yet, Mike Brown's death was the first murder of the year. ( I consider it murder, YMMV .)
I was thinking that the fact that Ferguson residents hadn't already been killing cops was a testament to their strength and character. What Ferguson PD and Court systems have done to that community is enough to drive anyone over the edge.
I worried that outsiders might read the report and become obsessed and outraged. Human beings - NORMAL human beings - have a visceral, immediate reaction to blatant injustice, exploitation and abuse - which the people of Ferguson have been enduring for some time.
Looks like somebody did just that. But their actions were cowardly and stupid.
I don't like the way some cops see no value in most human life, but I'll be damned if I'll be like that ( except when it comes to greedy sociopaths - they have zero value to me ) . I hope both cops are okay and that some healing can happen soon.
Oktober
(1,488 posts)What the hell is wrong with you?
Tsiyu
(18,186 posts)Do you have any idea what these people have endured at the hands of cops for years and years and years?
Most any population is going to eventually have enough of evil police and court systems. When you shake down an entire town, sic dogs on kids, destroy people's hope and chances over and over and over, they WILL react.
Some will react violently. The people of Ferguson chose to live with their burden.
One older man still owes over a thousand dollars for a pasrking ticket he got in 2000. That's because if you can't pay your complete fine in Ferguson, they just keep arresting you and arresting you and arresting you. You lose your job, your home, just so a bunch of white people can make a whole lot of money.
Many of the citizens have been paying fines for years on the most petty shit. The fucking municipal judge just MADE UP shite to collect more and more $$$$$$$$$$$$ from people. Cops ROUTINELY violated the 1st and Fourth amendments when questioning or arresting people AND BRAGGED ABOUT IT!!!!
Funny how the white people think it's all good for WHITE citizens to aim guns at law enforcement over cows, but an entire populace should just eat the shit sandwich they've been served for YEARS and never make a peep.
Yes, they are remarkable for not losing it as a community. The cops there are lucky the people went along with the evil meted out on them every goddamned day by the EVIL EVIL EVIL EVIL EVUL FPD.
You and pinto face may disagree. I give them credit for not losing their patience long before Mike Brown was murdered.
Oktober
(1,488 posts)Racism and tacit approval for murder and violence...
Quite a big step...
You seem to be suggesting that inability to pay fines should justify violence... among other thing...
Very disconcerting... tsk tsk..
Tsiyu
(18,186 posts)Killing anyone is cowardly - cops or otherwise. But human nature is what it is. People will get fed up and do impulsive dumb things. The fact that the people of Ferguson DID NOT means that they are not the evil people that they have been portrayed as being. That was my point.
Funny how cop apologists don't have the same reverence for non-cop lives, though. I bet you don't get the vapors over Tamir RIce, do you? Only cop lives matter, and therein lies the problem.
It's not just fines these people endured, it's blatant exploitation and abuse, tasering, wrongful incarceration, and yes, DEATH.
You came here looking for someone to scapegoat: LOOK: Someone thinks killing cops is cool! LOOK EVERYBODY!!!! But I never justified killing ANYONE. Not the way cops continually justify taking the lives of 12-year-olds, 9-yr-olds and everyone older. THEY justifu death and violence as solutions. I do not.
Put words in someone else's mouth, eh? Or else take your agenda somewhere else.
Oktober
(1,488 posts)Yours will do just fine...
Tsiyu
(18,186 posts)Nuance is a thing. Taking the time to discuss the sum total of an issue is a thing.
You want to point fingers, issue blame and feel all smugly self-righteous.
but you never answered ME, because you are such a sepcial snowflake, and so CORRECT, that you don't have to, right?
Do you believe that some cops have shown a total and complete disregard for human life? Does that bother you? Did you get upset about Tamir RIce, or do you think it's cool that cops pull up and kill 12-year-olds without provocation? Do you believe the violence used against Tamir Rice was justified? If so, YOU are a hypocrite.
All lives matter, and none of us should have to raise a weapon to anyone else. Those who shot at cops are cowardly or they have an agenda, just like you do.
Oktober
(1,488 posts)... about your opposition to shooting the police, then maybe you should reexamine a few things about yourself.
Sounds like you have quite a few asterisks and qualifiers and 'Yes, buts...'.
Response to Oktober (Reply #59)
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Oktober
(1,488 posts)That's what you chose to go with to defend your position?
Really?
Okay then....
MelungeonWoman
(502 posts)Tsiyu
(18,186 posts)leftynyc
(26,060 posts)conscious but other than that, their conditions are not being talked about. I hope they're okay.
strawberries
(498 posts)the shoulder, so he will be ok
the other got shot in the face, not sure how that one works
Response to daredtowork (Original post)
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Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)Two people were shot and this is your response?
Oktober
(1,488 posts)You said it... You own it...
Obviously this is to Katashi and not Sherman but response to deleted posts doesn't work.
Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)Well Said!
And I completely understand the need to use my post for your response.
stone space
(6,498 posts)The answer is "yes".
Chuuku Davis
(565 posts)Just Wow!
pintobean
(18,101 posts)Last edited Thu Mar 12, 2015, 08:09 AM - Edit history (1)
Not that it really matters, your comment is disgusting.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)pintobean
(18,101 posts)Here I thought he self deleted out of a sense of decency. You saved me some embarrassment. I was about to comment on the copy/paste above.
Response to SidDithers (Reply #23)
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SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
I'd be interested in the next part of the sentence too.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)There are waffles to be made.
Sid
I'm afraid I don't get the waffle reference, but I agree we'll never see the second part of the sentence.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)is against DU rules.
TacoD
(581 posts)Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)Has made a number of bizarre comments.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)I think you should be ashamed of your post. You know nothing about these cops who were shot - not even if they were Ferguson cops and this is your response?
Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)and eloquently stated. I will be interested in finding out more as the story develops and from which department(s) the officers were from as I am sure that my city deployed officers to Ferguson as we border Ferguson to the North.
The good news (if there is any to be had) is that they are both at a superb medical facility and will receive excellent care.
grossproffit
(5,591 posts)romanic
(2,841 posts)And you thought this opinion of yours was acceptable?
Cyrano
(15,073 posts)After the scathing DOJ report, the white establishment in Ferguson (and far too many other areas of the country) look bad.
You've got to wonder who would benefit most from the shooting of two police officers. To my way of thinking, it seems that the black community in Ferguson has started to gain some momentum in fixing, and perhaps ending an intolerable situation. Who, in that community would want to give the police and the bigots a chance to point fingers and say "See, We told you so." White vigilantes, on the other hand would have plenty of reason to have done something like this.
We may never know who did it. But you've got to wonder.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)Cass Sunstein told us so and then he told us to forget prosecuting Bush and Cheney.
Washingtons Blog, Oct. 7, 2010
EXCERPT...
Prosecuting government officials risks a cycle of criminalizing public service, (Sunstein) argued, and Democrats should avoid replicating retributive efforts like the impeachment of President Clinton or even the slight appearance of it.
SOURCE w links n details: http://georgewashington2.blogspot.com/2010/10/main-obama-adviser-blocking-prosecution.html?m=1
Other than that and wars without end for profits without cease, you're right. Just CT.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)ileus
(15,396 posts)Skidmore
(37,364 posts)Why now? Who gains by trying to keep the community in turmoil? It does not make sense for these shootings to occur now.
Dreamer Tatum
(10,926 posts)figured that they might as well open fire, because they will be well-defended by a chorus of "You have to ask..."
So, who benefits, indeed.
Matrosov
(1,098 posts)It's said the muzzle flashes were over 100 yards away. That's not a range at which the average person can accurately hit targets with a handgun.
Unless the shooter was firing randomly and just got lucky with hitting two police officers, it is much more likely that a rifle was used. It sounded like a semiautomatic one at that.
A redneck with an AR or AK wanting to cause trouble for the African American community in Ferguson is not out of the question.
Travis_0004
(5,417 posts)I dont think hitting a man sized target at 100 yards is too difficult, especially if the officers were grouped together
Also there are rifles that use handgun rounds (they are called carbines (or a pistol caliper carbine to be more accurate.), so its still possible a 'rifle' was used
tenderfoot
(8,438 posts)as most acts of violence do.
bigtree
(86,013 posts)(could use a kick or two, and a read, as well)
pintobean
(18,101 posts)They still have a long way to go though. The Webster Groves cop still has a bullet lodged in his skull.
B2G
(9,766 posts)I was shocked they were both released so soon...