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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhy should Hillary Clinton's state dept. have been bound by Colin Powell's email policies?
Colin Powell didn't think they applied to him.
Since it is clear that Hillary Clinton's use of a private email account broke no laws -- which has been confirmed by the head of the National Archives and by Daryll Issa, who is determined to prosecute her for something -- some people here are pointing to a 2005 "policy" in the Powell State Department.
But each Secretary of State sets his or her own policies. Powell's 2005 policies are not relevant.
The irony is that Colin Powell didn't follow his own State Department's "policy"; yet Hillary -- the person who replaced him as Secretary of State -- is being criticized for making her own decision.
And not only did Colin Powell rely on a private email account, he DESTROYED his emails from those years. Including the Iraq war years.
Hillary, on the other hand, preserved all her emails and has turned over 55000 pages of them to the State Department.
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)It doesn't have to be illegal to be stupid, clueless, clearly send the wrong message, and indicative of Really Poor Judgment.
WTH was she thinking?
I don't want a person who makes this decision in charge of anything that effects my life, least of all president of the free world.
Blech.
questionseverything
(9,666 posts)but WE THE PEOPLE have no way of verifying it for ourselves...feels like she is flipping off us little people
after the bush years and all the anger i felt for his "disappearing" e-mails, lack of respect for any transparency or checks and balances, i just do not want that from a democrat
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #1)
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DanTex
(20,709 posts)pnwmom
(109,023 posts)Nothing stored on her server got dumped in the Wikileaks fiasco.
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)Neither was it illegal, but we have CIA, NSA, and other organizations that would have been the appropriate channels through which to address such concerns.
This was a Maverick above-the-law stunt, and the reason we are wasting time and energy on it.
It's typical of this type of personality.
pnwmom
(109,023 posts)the head of the State Department. She was free to set her own policy. And Obama was aware of her use of her private email account and didn't object to it.
BlueMTexpat
(15,374 posts)and is certainly providing a heyday for the Hillary haters - of whom there seem to be a surprising number on DU.
But Hillary didn't replace Colin Powell; Condi Rice did. Hillary assumed the position of SoS after Rice. A
Hillary was head and shoulders above them both in every respect, which is exactly why SHE is the one that is the focus of RW venom - whatever her policies on email, or anything else for that matter.
I do not agree with all of Hillary's policies or positions. But I will be a proud and enthusiastic supporter if she declares her candidacy because I believe that she will be an excellent President. As with her tenure as SoS, she is head and shoulders - and everything else - above ANY GOP alternative.
CloneClinton
(31 posts)Totally impressed!!
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)Howyadoin?
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)nt
pnwmom
(109,023 posts)Each Secretary of State sets his or her own policy.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)Rather than the use of a private account. Were it two private accounts, one for State business and one for personal use, I think there wouldn't really be a problem.
pnwmom
(109,023 posts)he was only allowed to have one email address on his Blackberry. If you didn't want to carry two phones everywhere, the solution was to use your personal email address for everything -- because the Hatch Act bars you from using the .gov address for non governmental matters.
So that's one possible reason.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)that she used for State business, and we have only her word that they were purely personal. That just stinks and shows either exceedingly bad judgment or that she is hiding something.
This is exactly why you don't mix the two. This is basic stuff.
William769
(55,150 posts)karynnj
(59,508 posts)Note that Clinton has now said that she should have used State.gov. Her excuse for not doing so is pretty lame - that she didn't want to have two devices.
This absolutely does not explain why she needed a private server.
krawhitham
(4,651 posts)There are two rules to be dealt with one from 2005 in the Foreign Affairs Manual and one from 2009 in the Code of Federal Regulations
The 2005 rule was set on 11-04-2005, that would be 282 days after Powell quit
12 FAM 544.3 Electronic Transmission Via the Internet
It is the Departments general policy that normal day-to-day operations be conducted on an authorized AIS, which has the proper level of security control to provide nonrepudiation, authentication and encryption, to ensure confidentiality, integrity, and availability of the resident information. The Departments authorized telework solution(s) are designed in a manner that meet these requirements and are not considered end points outside of the Departments management control.
So tell me again how Powell did not follow his own State Department's "policy", since it was a policy enacted after he left
These are not rules set up by each SOS that become obsolete when they leave office like you are pretending they are, this was a rule published in the Foreign Affairs Manual at the time and is still in the manual today http://www.state.gov/m/a/dir/regs/fam/
The 2nd rule is CFR 1236.22(b) in the Code of Federal Regulations. This rule has been in place since 2009
"Agencies that allow employees to send and receive official electronic mail messages using a system not operated by the agency must ensure that Federal records sent or received on such systems are preserved in the appropriate agency recordkeeping system."
This rule is in place so the National Archives and Records Administration has a copy of all government related documents, so for example when Freedom of Information Act requests are made they can release the info.
People keep saying this was a personal email address and that may be technically true, it was an email address she created WHILE she was going through the confirmation hearings. This is not an email address she had personally used before becoming SOS.
The registry information for "clintonemail.com" reveals that the domain was first created on Jan. 13, 2009 -- one week before President Obama was sworn into office, and the same day that Clinton's confirmation hearings began before the Senate.
Why does one create a NEW personal email address for your new job instead of using an official email address provided to you by the employer unless you might want to hide something? Can you come up with one other REAL reason?
Yes she handed over 55,00 pages of emails and yes that means PAGES. So instead of giving them electronic versions that could be searched through quickly she buried them in paperwork.
How do we know these 55,000 pages is everything? When asked directly on 3-6-2015 State Department spokesperson Marie Harf acknowledging Clintons aides made the decisions about what to fork over and what to hold back.
Now we have Rep. Trey Gowdy claiming "There are gaps of months, and months and months" in the emails, and why yes he is a rethug and might be lying you would think one of the Dems that have the same access that he does would have said he was wrong. He also states "If you think to that iconic picture of her on a C-17 flying to Libya she has sunglasses on and she has her handheld device in her hand we have no emails from that day. In fact, we have no emails from that trip"
No emails from a trip to Libya seems a little odd to me.
What it boils down to for me is the fact Hillary shouldn't be allowed to determine what emails are released and which ones are not, and this would not have been a issue if she did not believe Clintons are above following the rules.