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47 Senators telling the world that our President is irrelevant.
Either the President steps in with both fists balled and a ready knee, or it will be even far worse.
There will be a big @#$%in' fight (and there will be drama), there's no avoiding it. The only question is how big. If our side doesn't choose the ground and the time, the other side will, and that will suck that much worse.
Good luck to all of us.
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1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)He said what needed to be said.
The important thing is concluding the Iran negotiations ... not puffing up one's chest to appear tough.
panader0
(25,816 posts)I guess they forgot about England, France, Germany, China and Russia. Besides being seditious, they are ignorant.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)and why President Obama has given them the public dismissive side eye, and kept it moving ... any other reaction would have telegraphed weakness, i.e., that those 47 had the weight to carry the day.
I suspect that those 47 got the "I'm gonna f you up as soon as we get home" message.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)with Iran's hardliners.
Much whining on the right has resulted.
dmr
(28,349 posts)'em up and spit 'em out while they sit on their asses wondering why their small minds feel all dazed & confused.
I trust President Obama to handle our foreign affairs.
This reminds me how the prez ate the Republican's lunch when they met over the Healthcare legislation in 2010?
Republicans just knew they were going to embarrass him on national TV knowing it was to be televised. It was so bad Fox stopped showing it. It was a thing of beauty.
From the sound of Iran's reply today, Iran ate their lunch, with a civics lesson to boot. It's embarrassing that a foreign enemy ends up schooling what is supposedly the best America has to offer.
cilla4progress
(24,783 posts)But alas they keep winning elections!
Myrina
(12,296 posts)... and do some Constitutional Law 101 Professorin' for 'em.
Fuckin' hillbillies don't know their asses from a hole in the ground & are making the whole country look stupid and petty.
MineralMan
(146,338 posts)cannot schedule an address to Congress OR make it mandatory. right? He has no such authority. It is not only Republicans who do not understand the Constitution, it seems.
The three branches of our government act independently on a day-to-day basis. Separation of powers is at the very core of the Constitution.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)It is pathetic, that these fools are voted into congress.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)
hopemountain
(3,919 posts)you know, the ones whom call themselves "patriots".
cui bono
(19,926 posts)RKP5637
(67,112 posts)told them what ignoramuses they are.
mwooldri
(10,303 posts)And yes, those forty-seven Senators were (until now) ignorant of the fact that the Iranian Foreign Minister is an American-educated professor of International Law. I'm sure Mohammad Javad Zarif has studied the United States constitution quite thoroughly and didn't require any "reminders" from the 47.
Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)when Mr. Zarif showed them his proposed response! 
Thanks for making Republicans look like the complete and utter fools they are, Mr. Zarif!! 
sheshe2
(83,966 posts)He said what needed to be said.
The important thing is concluding the Iran negotiations ... not puffing up one's chest to appear tough.
Sad, some think a knee to the groin and fists balled is the answer. Me, I love PBO's calm even keeled approach. It's a fact and it has proven to be a winner.
Hmmm~ the Op speaks of "our" side. Who's side is that?
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Pretending to be, this:
https://www.google.com/search?q=picture+of+strongest+man+in+the+world&newwindow=1&tbm=isch&imgil=n_aIxKBGIcaXsM%253A%253BkgaCQg3WsRqtiM%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.gamesetwatch.com%25252F2007%25252F03%25252Fworlds_strongest_man_goes_mobi.php&source=iu&pf=m&fir=n_aIxKBGIcaXsM%253A%252CkgaCQg3WsRqtiM%252C_&usg=__Tm7hqfJRpG8rMdl8xrtichBYqYk%3D
When everyone sees, this:
http://www.fotosearch.com/CSP993/k15372396/
sheshe2
(83,966 posts)Perfect links. Perfect!
Bravo!
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)It'll save folks some time and effort!
sheshe2
(83,966 posts)Yet, not here. So many hides happen on some posters threads. Not sure why.
Numder23. Nance and others got hidden for no reason last night. I actually survived an alert. Yikes! It was a 1-6 leave. So with the alert stalking, I don't want to post that pic. However, you were spot on.
Lol~ bet I get alerted on anyway~
Luv ya 1Strong.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Not long after you posted that ... someone alerted. I squeaked by 2-5 ... and all of the offended ones attacked me rather than the post.
Gotta love this jury system.
sheshe2
(83,966 posts)
The alerter, I wonder who that may have been?
They don't like us much. Me, a woman that is not exactly silent, Lol. You? You scare the hell out of us all, holy SHIT! 1Strong, I have to break this to you..... You are a black man!!!!!!!!!!!!
FYI~ for those jury members that do not know me...
for any supposed insult.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Does my momma know?
sheshe2
(83,966 posts)Thanks for the laughs. I needed that tonight.
nikto
(3,284 posts)
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)The post is clearly mocking the Republicans who signed the letter to Iran.
And even if it wasn't, the OP doesn't have special immunity from criticism.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Okay; but, yeah ... some seem to think so.
Violet_Crumble
(35,980 posts)Manny or Republicans? It's just that some in this thread are congratulating you because they think you were mocking Manny...
Having just found the thread that someone in this thread was complaining about posts hidden for no reason, the two I saw were personal attacks on another DUer. I'm curious about where criticism of another DUer crosses the line into personal attacks, which is something that I'll vote to hide when I'm on a jury regardless of who it's aimed at.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)and who is doing the mocking.
Some posts, directed at/to particular DUers, even in response to being mocked, will be alerted on a nano-second after hitting send (especially if posted in the the mid-day or early evening, I've noticed); while other posters, can mock an entire race, then apologize for the post (as insensitive), then deny even having made the mocking post and rather than receive an alert, the thread gets 100,000,000 recs.
So it doesn't matter where my post was directed.
JustAnotherGen
(31,937 posts)BTW - It's obvious who you were directing that at.
Hey! If you can't make fun of Republicans at DU - then who can you make fun of?
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)But I guess the only mock-worthy folks on DU are Democrats ... and women and PoC and the LGBT community (collectively, known as the Democratic base).
JustAnotherGen
(31,937 posts)closeupready
(29,503 posts)
Number23
(24,544 posts)Indeed!
itcfish
(1,828 posts)To that!!!
Caretha
(2,737 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Caretha
(2,737 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Last edited Tue Mar 10, 2015, 09:22 PM - Edit history (1)
since you would dismiss an observation of inequity, as merely bitterness.
BTW, for your information, Civil Rights grievances were dismissed as bitterness, as well.
JustAnotherGen
(31,937 posts) Just the facts sir!Violet_Crumble
(35,980 posts)I don't care who they are or who hates who. If I'm on a jury for a personal attack on another DUer I'm going to vote to hide. I don't like pile-ons and the name calling and shit I've been seeing and my vote on juries is my way of saying they suck. And even in this thread I'm seeing different standards being applied when it comes to personal attacks on people they do like vs personal attacks on people they don't like. If calling another DUer names is 'mocking' them and entertaining, then they should be the last folk to pop up in other threads complaining because they see themselves and those they like as victims of name-calling, alert-stalking and attacks.
And when it comes to 'sides', hasn't it occurred to any of you that yr all on the same side? I think there's some DUers who really lose sight of what is the opposition and they're the ones that need to go visit Discussionist to remind themselves of what every longterm DUer here is on the same side against. Sorry, that was a general observation about what I've been seeing
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)cui bono
(19,926 posts)by "our side". Therefore it was mocking Manny and anyone who is deemed to agree with him, basically calling him and others posers and whiners. It is a post worthy of a hide, though I didn't alert on it, yet, anyway.
No one has special immunity from criticism, just as no one has special immunity from hides. Well they're not supposed to anyway, but as we all know, the jury system is a crapshoot and also just plain crap.
joshcryer
(62,277 posts)And was not hidden because the jury agreed.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)of alerting going on here lately, I'm sure you will encourage people to refrain from an itchy trigger finger.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)push for a puissant potentate who cannot prevail past the periphery of their prerogatives and privileges. It is not provident or prudent.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Now i have to go pee.
Sid
cui bono
(19,926 posts)But I know what you are insinuating so I will tell you that when I am a juror I vote to hide based on content and not personality, the same way I dole out criticism/praise of a politician.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)posting the results of one of the alerts......others were alerted on for merely expressing dismay at alerts. The juror comments?????
Priceless.
Strangely enough, all the alerts had pretty much the same verbiage.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)I'm not sure why you are telling me all of this.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)closeupready
(29,503 posts)msanthrope
(37,549 posts)closeupready
(29,503 posts) msanthrope
(37,549 posts)
beveeheart
(1,373 posts)Made me laugh.
Number23
(24,544 posts)Right click on the photo and do "Copy image location" and then hit "Paste" back in your post.
But let me just say, even with all that damn clicking you just made me do...
You could NOT have nailed that post and some folks here any harder!!!! That was freaking BRILLIANT! 
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)cui bono
(19,926 posts)I took it to mean Democrats as in Dems vs the GOP.
Interesting that you and sheshe took it to mean Dems against Dems. There's nothing wrong with a little unity sometimes, you know. No reason to actually dislike people just because you disagree with them and as a result having to fight with them rather than find common ground.
SMH
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)You've lost me.
I read the OP to be a continuation of the "spineless", "we need a tough guy leader" narrative that is frequently thrown against the DU wall to rally the bravado loving keyword warriors.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)You're also much better than your post ridiculing DUers.
You responded directly to sheshe's question of what constituted "our side" and chose make it about Manny and other DUers, chose to be divisive and immature about it.
You can feign innocence and try to be coy, but that's what happened. That post was way beneath you. I would expect it from others.
Your inability to post the pics directly probably helped save it. (that was not meant to be mean, just an observation with a little ribbing thrown in)
CherokeeDem
(3,709 posts)Spot on!!!!
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Maybe there's a photo of a person somewhere that you can draw a mustache on?
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)"Either the President steps in with both fists balled and a ready knee ..." recommendations?
Non-ego driven folks, successfully living, and accomplishing, in the real world don't choose tough guy appearance over accomplishing their goal.
But that said, I couldn't find an appropriate picture on which to draw a mustache, nor would it have conveyed my intended message ... that being, the people calling loudest for presenting a "tough guy" image, are generally uninvolved wimps in real life that are easily recognized by folks as whinny children, wailing for attention.
Now, if that shoe fits ...
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)But they never need to indulge in name calling.
And now you're implying that I'm an uninvolved wimp, recognizable as a whinny[sic] child, wailing for attention.
More name calling.
I guess when that's all ya got...
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)should take time and energy from achieving the goal of negotiating a peaceful settlement with Iran, in order to satisfy your need for him to appear tough? Apparently, Iran, and the rest of the world ...with the possible except of putin, who has ego issues of his own, thinks he is plenty tough enough.
Face it ... typing stuff on an anonymous message board is not involvement, not matter how frequent or "tough" your "demands" might be.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)He needs to make the Republicans understand that dangerous actions will be painful for them for the good of our country. As an adult, I recognize the needs of the whole.
And as an adult, I don't engage in childish name calling.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)one realizes that you cannot MAKE anyone do anything that they are not inclined to do. And in this case, making them understand is a waste of time and effort ... the best we can hope for, is staying astep or ten ahead of them to negate their idiocy.
That, as an adult, is recognizing the needs of the whole ... playing their childish games. Meeting insult with insult, disrespect with disrespect, force with force might make observers feel good; but, it does not meet the needs of the whole.
And as an adult, one would recognize your final comment as a lie ... just by reading the comment.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Or do you not understand, say, the purpose of speeding tickets?
Are you putting us on?
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)And even with that one or more ticket, can you think of a situation when you would speed, even in front of a cop?
Come on ... you know that no one can make someone do what they are not inclined to do ... you can make it uncomfortable for them if they act in a way you do not want ... but still, they will act how they will act.
ETA: And a focus on attempting to make them behave is merely an attempt to exert control and just distracts from accomplishing what you set out to accomplish.
Edited a second time to add: Of course, perhaps, your goal my be to control the republicans rather than strike the Iranian deal or get Immigration reform or any of President Obama's other initiatives.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)people wouldn't speed more often?
Seriously?
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)those not inclined to speed won't.
Nice distraction!
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Goodnight.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)So good night.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)http://www.dailywritingtips.com/the-yiddish-handbook-40-words-you-should-know/
How appropriate!
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)How very sad.
And now you are questioning Manny's 'loyalty' to what, his country?
I would think that for once you could set aside whatever it is you harbor against Manny and other Duers here and focus on what just happened here in this country. What happened may not be outright treason, but it sure is close enough when US Senators are willing to follow a Foreign Leader's lead to try to get this country to use our military to fight HIS WAR, in direct opposition to the Foreign Policies of their President.
Manny is an American. Just so you know. I suspect that is the side he is on.
BeyondGeography
(39,386 posts)simultaneously when he made that statement. Or something.
Andy823
(11,495 posts)I am sure the president knows what he is doing.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)to those weighing results versus fantastical visions.
alfredo
(60,077 posts)steve2470
(37,457 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)on their own Constitution.
The President doesn't need to say more than he has said. But DEMOCRATS need to be as brazen and as angry and outraged publicly as they can be right now.
Bullies do not respond to 'decorum'. They are cowards and the only thing that works with bullies is to confront them.
Democrats worry too much about what the 'right' will think of them.
They should call this what it is, it is bordering on treasonl.
They are aligning themselves with Iran's 'terrorists', or 'hardliners'. And Dems should use that word as often as Rudy Giuliani uses it right now.
And they should not stop, or let the story go away until after the election.
Now is the time to find good Democratic candidates to run against every one of those traitors, putting the outrage into action.
I have a feeling that even some Republicans are not supportive of having our Senate following the lead of a Foreign Leader, trying to drag our military into Iran to fight that Foreign Leader's war.
47of74
(18,470 posts)They worry way too much what mean names Rush and Fox will call them on their respective masturbatoriums of hate. I wish they'd get it through their heads that people like Billo, Rush, and Hannity are going to hate us no matter what so we might as well give them good reasons to hate us.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)what any moron from that side of the aisle thinks about them.
They need to go on the OFFENSIVE instead of always being on the DEFENSIVE.
And this latest stunt is a perfect tool, handed to them by the Bibi puppets in the Senate, to grab and hold on to like a dog with a bone and just not let go until it's in the public consciousness that these people are not fit for public office.
Eg, when asked about the email debacle, respond with a reference to the 47 morons, 'speaking of email, does anyone know if these people have been in communication with Iran's hardliners/'terrorists' by email?
Dems have no strategy to deal with bullies apparently. You never let bullies take control of ANYTHING.
nichomachus
(12,754 posts)Goldman Sachs
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)
Renew Deal
(81,883 posts)I'm sure Obama will do the right thing.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)
TheCowsCameHome
(40,169 posts)Helpful hint: It ain't the President.
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SickOfTheOnePct
(7,290 posts)And aren't actually hoping that President Obama's negotiations fail.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Iran are also correct?
Raine1967
(11,589 posts)Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)with the Iranians and then the real Showtime begins. Should come about mid summer,and Hillary will join in on the stomping of the 47. Sanders as well as Ms Warren are going to make mince meat out of these treasonous assholes. This might be the straw that breaks the Rethugs.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)the was not a positive joint US/Iranian/UK/French/China status of negotiation release in the next few days ... just in time to sink a certain candidacy.
Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)was a pay back to Obama for not kissing to BiBi ring. Today's Rethugs refuse to honor their Oath of Offiice and nobody is forcing the issue.
bigtree
(86,008 posts)...seems to me they should be expected to do something more than 'ball up their fists.'
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)that Glenn Greenwald sprang to their defense and compared Reid to Cheney.
So he struck a nerve.
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Hutzpa
(11,461 posts)and it is not going to be pretty. You have got it spot on Manny, this gross disrespect has got to stop. The president has got to understand that these people do not like him no matter what he does and they are not pretending anymore.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)he doesn't give a crap whether they like him or not ... he just keeps getting stuff done. It is just those, doing little beyond posting "gotta look tough", while ignoring stuff is getting done, that seem to care.
erronis
(15,382 posts)Decides that they are fed up with being told to take a nap.
The spoiled little brats just want to show that they deserve a bit of respect too --- only they don't.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)the over-weight, beer drinking guzzling, pizza and wing eating gang that meets every Sunday to yell at the TV screen, what they would do, or what the people actually participating in the game, should be doing ... completely unbothered by the fact that they either never tried out for, got cut from, or never saw any playing time on, any/every sports team, when it was their chance to play.
Or, maybe ... the guy in the bar that cowered in the corner as the big drunk guy messes with folks. Then, loudly talks about what they would have done had the big drunk guy approached them ... 20 minutes after the big drunk guy leaves the bar.
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)Most presidents recognize they also defend the Office of the President. Obama has certainly used the powers of the office and understands it, as only a president can, as a Branch of Government that must be protected as much as the Courts or Congress.
He (meaning Obama) might be secure enough to play the Senate letter as irrelevant, but future Executives may not be so well situated. In future times of trouble a less secure president might not be, and letting this interference of Executive Branch process stand could set a precedent that diminishes the Executive Branch thereby endangering the nation.
Baitball Blogger
(46,769 posts)is that they are so laser-light stupid that they won't accept defeat even when the world is convinced that they are on a fruitless chase.
KG
(28,753 posts)Hutzpa
(11,461 posts)I got.. I got it, ISIS? no? wait Iran?
KG
(28,753 posts)
ND-Dem
(4,571 posts)moondust
(20,017 posts)
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)President Obama.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/09/politics/gop-senators-letter-to-iran/
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)
Kablooie
(18,644 posts)Democrats will never have the anger and commitment that Republicans have even though our anger would be justified.
This skirmish will disappear in the next few weeks or so, papered over by some new Republican scandal that also will not damage Republicans.
I've seen over and over Republicans do things that should destroy them as a party but nothing ever, EVER, happens except they might lose a little popularity for a short time. They always bounce back more popular than ever.
No, they won't suffer. They will only be made heroes by their base and ignored by everyone else.
I wish we could feel a real force behind the Democratic party that would start to push back but I haven't in the past and don't feel it now.
Democrats have no ammunition to fight the mighty Republican propaganda steamroller.
It's all a tempest in a teapot and we know who owns the tea.
Mnpaul
(3,655 posts)They should have went after Nixon for sabotaging the peace talks.
They should have went after Reagan/Bush for Iran/Contra/hostages.
They should have went after Bush Jr. for numerous reasons.
There is no downside for the Republicans so they continue to push the envelope. No one suffers any consequences so why should they stop.
LadyHawkAZ
(6,199 posts)we have a whole crew of internet warriors ready and willing to criticize it.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)But it is more reassuring that despite that whole crew of internet warriors, President Obama has been proven correct at every juncture ... So I'm rolling with the President, thank you!
LadyHawkAZ
(6,199 posts)Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)Also notice how the OP didn't say what Obama should say or do...he just said Obama should come with both fists balled.
Whatever the hell that means.
The keyboard warriors are truly a hilarious bunch.
Members of the 101st chairborne.
sheshe2
(83,966 posts)Don't forget the knee.
There will be a big @#$%in' fight (and there will be drama), there's no avoiding it. The only question is how big. If our side doesn't choose the ground and the time, the other side will, and that will suck that much worse.
Yikes! The knee to the groin??? Matcho Obama. Well no. He does not need to be and never has.
There will be a big fight? Nope. Only the Op wishes that to happen.
Our side? First Way Manny, Second Way, Third Way? Or the Presidents way. Calm cool and very collected.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)This is a multinational high-stakes negotiation with a number of powerful countries taking part.
The GOP is essentially irrelevant and they're throwing a tantrum because they think their opinion isn't being heard at the negotiating table.
The notion that Obama needs to act like a teenager in fist fight is absolutely absurd.
He just needs to keep doing what he's doing and continue with the negotiations.
LadyHawkAZ
(6,199 posts)If Obama continues to do his job like he always does, there will be a deluge of posts complaining that he's weak, spineless, caving, there'll be some snarky remarks about "chess playing" and we'll be 2 seconds away from him handing the GOP our Social Security. Again.
And as with Syria, if he pulls off the negotiations, it will be entirely someone else's doing. A foreign despot, for preference.
"Democratic" Underground.
herding cats
(19,568 posts)It's not what's going on here. Who cares what someone playing a game on the internet says? I know I don't.
What we have here, what's really taking place, is the Republicans are extending their recent tactics they've used against the opposition party in the US (Democrats for those confused) to international policy. Which, if they get their way, will very well result in the US being involved with Israel (Netanyahu) in a military action against Iran. Before that happens, since Iran is an enemy of ISIS, we'll see ISIS surge in the region, instability will of course increase, which will have an impact on global oil prices (profits!), the MIC funding will be increased (profits!) due to the instability in the region and the military buildup will begin. If they get their way and it leads to a war with Iran, Russia and China will very likely be their allies.
Needless to say this isn't carved in stone yet at this point in time, but it's apparently a plan being sought out by our current Republicans in office. Yes, it's insane, I realize that. But, I'm not imagining things. I told people Iraq was going to take place in 1999, before they ever elected Bush and found the route to make it happen. They're doing it again, and this time they're not even trying to be discrete about it. I don't doubt the rest of the world is watching the same repeat performance and shaking their heads along with me.
Meanwhile some want to quibble about "gotchas" and semantics, and just pretend it's business as usual until they search for the next person to blame fifteen years from now for what transpired? Let me help them out a bit, the people to blame are the ones in office right now spreading this insanity. Now is when we (meaning we the people) need to get off our butts and make a fuss, not after the events are in motion. That's how our process works. We made that mistake before and we lost, badly. We bickered among ourselves and we bellyached about how the parties were the same and we got George W. Bush and subsequently the Iraq war. If we let history repeat itself, we have no one to blame but ourselves.
At this moment the only thing we have in our corner, the corner of peace, are our minority of Democrats in office, who seem to be aware of what's taking place, and the president. Yet, some people want to mock them because voters put these idiot Republicans in office? Will we never learn from our mistakes?
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)
- Don't forget those warriors use the internet too......Andy823
(11,495 posts)You are just plain wrong.
giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)managed to tell those 47 senators to fuck off much more eloquently then you suggest. Thank dawg the President is able to manage his affairs without keyboard warrior's & their junk advice.
Mira
(22,380 posts)seveneyes
(4,631 posts)B Calm
(28,762 posts)seveneyes
(4,631 posts)It evolves a new bottle of single malt or the equivalent thereof.
Raine1967
(11,589 posts)I am not kidding.
Even Iran is calling their letter a bunch of propaganda. I know it has been posted around DU all afternoon, but it should be linked again: http://iranprimer.usip.org/blog/2015/mar/09/part-ii-iran-responds-gop-letter
Zarif expressed astonishment that some members of US Congress find it appropriate to write to leaders of another country against their own President and administration. He pointed out that from reading the open letter, it seems that the authors not only do not understand international law, but are not fully cognizant of the nuances of their own Constitution when it comes to presidential powers in the conduct of foreign policy.
Foreign Minister Zarif added that “I should bring one important point to the attention of the authors and that is, the world is not the United States, and the conduct of inter-state relations is governed by international law, and not by US domestic law. The authors may not fully understand that in international law, governments represent the entirety of their respective states, are responsible for the conduct of foreign affairs, are required to fulfil the obligations they undertake with other states and may not invoke their internal law as justification for failure to perform their international obligations.”
The Iranian Foreign Minister added that “change of administration does not in any way relieve the next administration from international obligations undertaken by its predecessor in a possible agreement about Iran’s peaceful nuclear program.” He continued “I wish to enlighten the authors that if the next administration revokes any agreement with ‘the stroke of a pen,’ as they boast, it will have simply committed a blatant violation of international law.” He emphasized that if the current negotiation with P5+1 [Britain, China, France, Germany Russia and the United States] result in a Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action, it will not be a bilateral agreement between Iran and the US, but rather one that will be concluded with the participation of five other countries, including all permanent members of the Security Council, and will also be endorsed by a Security Council resolution.
IF nothing else, Iran sees the extremists in the United States.
and most rational people see the extremists in Iran. This is about negotiating with those that are not extremists.
It's amazing to me that Iran can see this and the GOP cannot.
Cosmic Kitten
(3,498 posts)Congress invites Bibi to rally pro-Israeli support...
a week later Congress issues "strongly worded letter"
to Iranian Govt undermining U.S. national security negotiations.
Republicans, Israel, and hard line ayatollah are aligned?
This won't end well indeed
thecrow
(5,519 posts).....!
jwirr
(39,215 posts)they just did illegal. Wonder if there is a suggested penalty in that law?
Lawrence O just gave the names of the Rs that refused to sign it.
gordianot
(15,247 posts)If the letter was meant to bolster hardliners in Iran Obama calling them on it "common cause" is severe. The response by Iran was a gut punch to the United States Senate. Obviously Iran understands the U.S. Constitution better than 47 United States Senators. If a deal comes acceptable to our European and Asian allies, accepted by Russia and China; Israel is out of the brinkmanship war business. This entire episode was an act of desperation by the Republican Party one they are losing. The ground has already been chosen and the date has been set.
If this all fails guess who will be blamed?
steve2470
(37,457 posts)there's no need for anything else. No thanks.
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)That they never mentioned one of the Puke names (other than the "freshman" asshole that wrote it) but they did show Harry Reid speaking about it.
That's right CBS...keep them hidden away.
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GusBob
(7,286 posts)The little people will be brushed aside by the adult players and it will all work out
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)they've been gearing up to this for 20 years, with no pushback. Bullies don't change their behavior unless someone hits back with all of their might. Maybe the president will find some fight for a change
Nay
(12,051 posts)Myrina
(12,296 posts)n/t
Cleita
(75,480 posts)This President, who has his arms held behind his back, needs us to back him.
What do you suggest?
DeSwiss
(27,137 posts) - Just say the *secret* words: {Bi-partisan This!} and he's on it!
K&R
zeemike
(18,998 posts)It has to do with the separation of power...if the GOP gets away with it it will neuter the presidency...at least for Obama.
And his response will tell us just who is in charge here...if it is weak he is a lame duck with broken wings, and is an ominous sign for our country.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)He CANNOT ignore this.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)
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Skittles
(153,226 posts)disgusting beyond belief
joshcryer
(62,277 posts)Obama is the most belittled, hated upon, disrespected President in modern history.
It may make the news tomorrow, but after that, it'll just sink like a brick.
Obama has no support in the blogosphere or in the MSM. There will be blurbs, there will not be outrage.
And because Obama is the adult in the room rather than chastising the repugnant Republicans, he'll apologize for their behavior to Iran (in private) and the workings of the deal will continue, quietly, behind the scenes.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)you're preemptively criticizing Obama for his anticipated lack of fists and knees in his response?
That's just about exactly what we'd all expect from you, Manny.
Sid
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)
one_voice
(20,043 posts)Not a word about those trifling ass Republicans.
Just setting it up so he can call the President spineless, wimpy, or what have you when he doesn't come out like Raging Bull...
At a time when we should be united. Still nothing but divisiveness.
Shameful..
Fuck that noise...
MineralMan
(146,338 posts)You might want to check into that.
mimi85
(1,805 posts)I don't give a rat's ass what GG thinks much about anything. Damn, it was annoying seeing him on stage at the Oscars. Perfect time for a potty break. His ego knows no bounds.
Unrelated, but why does every Manny thread turn into a BFD?
ND-Dem
(4,571 posts)MineralMan
(146,338 posts)The author of this thread starter, does, though. I was pointing out that Greenwald disagrees to that poster.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)Nobody brings them out marching in trumped up poutrage like Manny.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Friday is my Greenwald day. I segregate by day to keep the bulling easier.
Sorry for the confusion, I should put up a schedule in my profile.
MineralMan
(146,338 posts)You're a caution, Manny.
marym625
(17,997 posts)Someone doesn't agree with you, then talk issues or ignore. This is out of hand. I'm sorry. I don't care who you are or what you think, I would say this to anyone that has this much shit thrown at them. It's just plain wrong
randome
(34,845 posts)The GOP is spiraling into obsolescence without the drama you yearn for. Please proceed, GOP.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]“If you're not committed to anything, you're just taking up space.”
Gregory Peck, Mirage (1965)[/center][/font][hr]
MineralMan
(146,338 posts)Lots of that going around, as usual. I think I'll let President Obama handle this. He's done quite well with the "Please proceed" tactic in the past. I think it applies here, too.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)in throwing a few.
randome
(34,845 posts)[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]
MineralMan
(146,338 posts)I'm pretty sure he won't. Maybe you're speaking in the voice of some different Manny. I don't know, but you didn't append an identification of which Manny is writing here.
But the President will do what he always does, stand tall and use his intellect to make his point. It's a very effective strategy. The one you suggest is not a very effective strategy and would work to detract from the job he's doing in negotiating with Iran. And he's not alone in that negotiation.
Your advice is not the best advice, I think.
randome
(34,845 posts)[hr][font color="blue"][center]"There is a crack in everything. That's how the light gets in."
Leonard Cohen, Anthem (1992)[/center][/font][hr]
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)Who's irrelevant then?
blm
(113,112 posts)Chasing the GOP Traitors away from the scrutiny spotlight.
B Calm
(28,762 posts)RKP5637
(67,112 posts)made asses of themselves and of this nation having such in congress. They are saboteurs, nothing short of that!
Orsino
(37,428 posts)The Administration will not dare invoke the Logan Act, not punitively. Criminal charges will not be brought against 47 sitting senators. If we're very lucky, a few whispers into GOP ears will make them drop such blatant sedition.
vi5
(13,305 posts)...well then get ready for another dose of dissapointment.
Hell Hath No Fury
(16,327 posts)Unless the GOPers are batted back, we will see more of this -- and worse -- from them in the future. SOMEONE has to finally take a stand and say, "You have gone too far."
Sadly, I don't think for a second that it will happen under this President. 
And we will all be worse for it.
For Freddie
(79 posts)This week Bibi's election day after they face the March 16 decision on the budget. So... will they again shut the government down?
And furlough working people with out pay?
Is this the snap back?
If Bibi looses things can change.
If the election is stolen or "gerrymandered" things can get real rough.
The "too close to tell" crap says stolen.
Any way you look at it all there is a whole lot of stuff happening
in a small window of time.
And a whole lot of bought off "lawmakers".
As we face 2016 it is going to get rougher.
Be ready for anything.
Don't get too attached. Things will be moving fast.
Be Strong.
B Calm
(28,762 posts)Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)
Octafish
(55,745 posts)
Patriots or traitors? Rather than making clear there is no doubt about it, they introduce plausible deniability.
samsingh
(17,602 posts)to the country to undermine Obama.
Demeter
(85,373 posts)and someday, the immature will either grow up, get educated, or leave for some other place.
Until then, Solidarity!
sarge43
(28,946 posts)You get all dirty and the pig likes it.
The 47 have accomplished nothing except confirm that they're war mongering fools and that the leaders of Iran are smarter and saner than they are - quite an accomplishment.
When your enemy is shooting off his knee caps, please proceed
Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)It's also obvious that they have no regard for history.
But, in the future, from a distance of say another 5 or 10 years, this stupid gambit on the Republicans' part will make this group of GOP Senators look like the ginormous, racist, stupid assholes they are.
blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)Taking on those idiots is beneath our President.
the VP can deal with it. Or members of the State Department.
whereisjustice
(2,941 posts)after Boehner let Netanyahu give us all a good fuck.
The idea that the Democratic Party in general and Obama in specific will fight Republicans beyond making funny pictures of them on this web site is laughable.
Boehner will promise support of TPP or some shit like that and all will be forgiven and the centrists will be back here faster than you can say "let's send more jobs to India" telling us it was the only thing a powerless President like Obama could do.
whereisjustice
(2,941 posts)Meanwhile, Snowden and Greenwald are still being called the enemy by "moderates".
