What's Wrong With This Picture? If The Dems Pulled A Stunt Like This On BushCo......

[global1]

we would have never heard the end of it. I can't believe that while serious negotiations are goiing on with the Iranians by this administration the Repugs and Bibi are trying to undermine it.

I can't believe that there isn't more outrage by the rank and file American and Israeli People.

I think what is being done by Bibi and Boehner is putting both countries at risk for the future. This to me is borderline treasonous.

[Atman]

1. It's not borderline treasonous.

It is ABSOLUTELY treasonous. Illegal. Irresponsible. And you're correct, the right wing would be screaming bloody murder if this had happened under a GOP president. Instead, they seem to be screaming for bloody murder. Assholes.

[global1]

2. Listening To This Beginning Of This Speech And The Reponse So Far....

there is really a lot of hypocrisy in that chamber.

[yeoman6987]

27. Lol. It is not. It has been proven many times.

However, true if the Democratic leadership invited Sadam to speak to Congress all hell would have broken.

[HappyMe]

3. It is a hideous stunt to undermine

the work the administration is doing. This isn't the kind of thing that stupid political games should enter into. It doesn't surprise me that Boehner and Bibi are hand in hand though.

[global1]

4. The Iranians Are Sitting Down At A Table Negotiating And Bibi Is Taking This As A Threat......

I don't get it. Seems to me that the Iranians are at least taking the process seriously and it looks like Bibi is goading them to walk from the negotiating table with this speech. If these talks fail - the blame will fall on both Bibi and Boehner and the Repugs.

Not only will that put Israel in the crosshairs but it will make this world a more dangerous place as well. Thanks Bibi!!!! Thanks Boehner!!! Thanks Repugs!!!!

[HappyMe]

10. I agree.

It is dangerous idiocy to the nth degree.

[GreatGazoo]

15. Iran has military in Syria

and they back Hezbollah (or they ARE Hezbollah, depends on who you ask). Perhaps Net&Yahoo wants to make sure that the goal of toppling Assad and kicking out the Iranians and Russians is not undermined in present US negotiations with Iran.

Iran and Israel are exchanging fire:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-30882935

Regardless, Boehner and the GOP are setting a very bad precedent and sending a potentially confusing and therefore dangerous message to our other allies and enemies with his insubordination and sabotage of WH negotiations.

[Fred Sanders]

23. Good thing America does not interfere in other countries business....

[blm]

16. Bibi wants to own ALL the oxygen in this country, too.

Bibi thrives most when he is manipulating the GOP and its dumbed down voter base in this country.

[Johonny]

5. Netanyahu is playing them like a fiddle to help him win his election

The Republicans clearly exist only to be used, abuse, and humiliated by their masters. They seem surprisingly obliging to be used but I guess that is what makes people Republican these days.

[muntrv]

6. Logan Act, anyone?

[former9thward]

21. Should the Logan Act have been applied to Speaker Pelosi

when she met with Assad against the wishes of the Bush administration?

DAMASCUS, Syria — U.S. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi met Syrian President Bashar al-Assad on Wednesday for talks criticized by the White House as undermining American efforts to isolate the hard-line Arab country.





http://www.nbcnews.com/id/17920536/ns/world_news-mideast_n_africa/t/pelosi-shrugs-bushs-criticism-meets-assad/#.VPXqEvnP218

[Fred Sanders]

24. They were purposely undermining nuclear negotiations and in the internal affairs of America?..read it again.

[former9thward]

34. So are you saying Boehner and Netanyahu should be arrested for treason?

Which is what the other poster was saying. Should we shoot both of them?

[Fred Sanders]

35. Yawn. I will take a nap on your strawmen......

[Madmiddle]

40. Did

Someone just cross your bridge?

[The CCC]

46. So are you saying Boehner and Netanyahu should be arrested for treason?

Whether the Israelis prosecute Netanyahu for treason is up to the Israelis. Boner on the other hand is an American citizen and subject to our laws.

[former9thward]

55. Maybe you should re-read the posts.

Other posts were claiming Logan Act violations.

[guillaumeb]

28. how about Reagan, Bush, and Nixon?

Nixon and Kissinger were treating with the North Vietnamese prior to the election. The Us was at war with North Vietnam at the time. That is called treason. Nothing happened.

Reagan and GW Bush were both dealing with the Iranians prior to the 1980 election. The US was in hostilities with Iran at the time. That is called treason. Nothing happened.

Was the US at war with Syria at the time?

There is your answer.

[former9thward]

36. Right that's the answer.

The Red v. Blue game. Their side does it, bad. Our side does it, good. No matter what. BTW I was not the one complaining about it. The other poster was. Take it up with them.

[riqster]

48. Ignore the details all you like. They don't change because you ignore them.

[former9thward]

56. And they don't change when you ignore them.

So we agree there.

[madokie]

7. if it isn't against the law then a law needs to be made making it so

personally I think it is against the law and comes under treason and sedition

[riqster]

20. Logan Act.

[former9thward]

22. Did you cite that when Pelosi met with Assad in 2007?

Somehow I doubt that.....

[Kingofalldems]

26. Did Assad address Congress?

Guess you forgot that part.

[calimary]

32. Ouch.

Point.

[former9thward]

38. Logan Act has nothing to do with that.

Guess you forgot that part, King.

[Kingofalldems]

41. Huge difference betweent meeting with someone and

inviting them to speak before Congress. I know you did not forget that.

Looks like you also forgot what violates the Logan Act. There is no evidence she tried to interfere with anything.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logan_Act#Text_of_the_Logan_Act

[riqster]

29. And Assad addressed a joint session of Congress against Shrubya's wishes?

Apples and oranges. http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/04/world/middleeast/04cnd-pelosi.html?_r=0

Ms. Pelosi and many other Democrats, as well as some Republicans, have spoken often in recent months about the value of increasing dialogue with Syria as a way to improve stability in the region, but the Bush administration has resisted the idea, citing its view that the country is a state sponsor of terrorism. It accuses the Syrian government of providing militants with safe passage into Iraq and of interfering in Lebanon’s politics after its army was forced to leave there in 2005. Damascus denies the accusations.

At the White House on Tuesday, President Bush told reporters that he saw little point in talking to Syria now. “Sending delegations hasn’t worked,” he said. “It’s just simply been counterproductive.”

Even so, three Republican congressmen — Robert Aderholt of Alabama, Joe Pitts of Pennsylvania and Frank Wolf of Virginia — visited Syria separately and met with Mr. Assad on Sunday. And a senior American diplomat, Assistant Secretary of State Ellen Sauerbrey, held talks in Damascus last month with Syrian officials about an influx of Iraqi refugees. Mr. Bush did not mention those visits in his remarks yesterday.

Ms. Pelosi is traveling with a high-level group of lawmakers, included Representatives Henry A. Waxman and Tom Lantos of California, Louise M. Slaughter of New York, Nick J. Rahall II of West Virginia and Keith Ellison of Minnesota, all Democrats, as well as David L. Hobson, Republican of Ohio.

[former9thward]

39. The number 3 person in the country

is a little different than a bunch of nobody Congresspeople. But yeah, I know, Red v.Blue. Everything allowed in that game.

[riqster]

45. Pelosi did not take actions to derail ongoing negotiations.

Nor did she display overt partisanship, since repubs did the same thing she did.

And Assad was not invited to address Congress in a manner of questionable legality.

Details matter.

[vi5]

8. And how many Dems showed up for the speech?

Versus how many Republicans would?

That should give you some insight into how the Republicans get away with bullshit like this.

Too many Dems (more than are not) cower in front of Republicans when they pull bullshit like this.

The Republicans may have initiated the stunt but by showing up for the speech rather than boycotting it like they should, the Dems are allowing this type of stunt to actually work.

[RKP5637]

30. Interesting perspective, they in essence handed the chamber over to the GOP by

a no show making it appear the GOP runs the country.

[vi5]

53. Huh? Who was a no-show?

My point was that all Dems should have been a no-show at this, but they weren't Far too many Democrats attended the speech. It was an offensive and unprecedented end run around negotiations by our Democratic president. Democratic reps and Senators should have not shown up en masse. Instead many of them were worried about being painted as anti-Israel or whatever else the Republicans would throw at them, so they caved and showed up to the speech.

If this were a Democratic majority leader doing this to a Republican president then the Republicans would have very likely been unified in their protest against it and not shown up at all.

[RKP5637]

57. Poor wording on my part. n/t

[vssmith]

9. In his speech he said Iran is controlling capitals

such as Baghdad. He encouraged us to invade Iraq and overthrow Sadam. If that hadn't happened Iran would have much less influence in Baghdad

[fredamae]

11. I can't believe so many

so called dems are there--in the audience...right now....applauding.

[CincyDem]

33. The unfortunate reality is that many of these "so called dems" are simply pragmatists.

If Bibi speaks for American Jews - that's debatable and immaterial. He does speak for the American Jews who vote, who organize, and participate.

If any of these Dems have any Jewish constituents, you can be sure that the ones calling are in support of his speech and woe be it to any rep who decides to shun him and hope for future support among Jews who vote. Unfortunately, in many places, support for Israel (rain or shine) is like the Second Amendment - there are a lot of single issue voters and they define the agenda.

[vssmith]

12. In 1995 Bibi said Iran would have a nuclear weapon in 3 to 5 years

[cascadiance]

51. This picture shows us the real nuclear threat in that region!

[BainsBane]

13. A lot of Israelis are upset about it too

Some of the press there has been very critical and says this could compromise Israel's national security.

[blm]

14. GOP has a HUGE man crush on Putin - Expect Boehner to line up Putin to speak next.

Republicans are the biggest traitors to this nation.

The corporate media allows them to operate with impunity.

[BumRushDaShow]

17. "What's wrong with this picture?" Answer: Racism. nt

[SunSeeker]

43. ^^^THIS^^^

[rainy]

18. The truth is that if dems had

done this to Bush it's the Media who would have allowed any and all republicans air time to trash the dems and call them traders etc... 24-7. If Any dem senitors dare speak bad of republicans well the press just calls them partisan and moves on.

[world wide wally]

19. Netenyahu is just an asshole. Always has been. Always will be. Boehner on the other hand is a

Fucking traitor who is enabled by the entire Republican party.

[yeoman6987]

31. Hard to believe 41 Democratic Seators and

120 House Democratic Reps are in the audience. Only 17 percent chose something else to do. Not enough to notice. Sad really.

[Octafish]

25. More Manufactured Reality

From the PNAC Studios.

[Enthusiast]

58. +1 an entire shit load.

[Segami]

37. Joe Manchin....

...standing up even at the sound of Netanyahu coughing......what a weasel!

[SunSeeker]

42. Dems would never pull a stunt like Bibi's speech.

And up until about 6 years ago, neither would Republicans. The GOP lost their collective mind when Obama was elected.

[Liberalagogo]

44. Borderline?

These people are so far past the borderline, they can't even see it. The borderline is a dot to them.

[Rex]

47. Do you remember the last time the GOP was held accountable for anything? Yeah me neither.

They've been allowed to get away with criminal activity for so long now, that we expect it and do nothing about it.

Why isn't Oliver North rotting in prison? He should be. The GOP started this crime spree in the 80s and since nobody has stopped them, they expect us to just wag our finger at them AGAIN for the billionth time and say, 'shame on you, naughty naughty!' and go about our business.

[lark]

49. Imagine Boner and Little Murderer

excessively drinking scotch on the rocks, smoking, and signing bomb bomb Iran. That's their wet dream, all war all the time.

[Stryst]

50. To bad we don't actually have any of that 'liberal media'

the right is always screaming about.

[joanbarnes]

52. Could it be everyone has come to expect treason from Boehner and the Repukes?

[uwep]

54. There are fewer and fewer liberal or progressives in congress

What is left of true Democrats, except for 55 Democrats, the rest are moderate republicans. The reason Democrats
lost is because they want to hang on to the coat tails of the repugs hoping they will get reelected, how well did this
work last election. This is disgusting. There are very few true Democrats left.

Many on this site are amplifying the hate of Hillary. The repugs use their many mouth pieces in the media and many
Democrats cower. When the repugs get their president watch all the social programs go to wall street and watch
the rich get richer. We are going to become a 3rd world nation.