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Malraiders

(444 posts)
Sun Mar 1, 2015, 11:15 AM Mar 2015

People say John Hopkins psilocybin dose rated as top 5 meaningful

experiences of their lives

So the Doctors are now studying dosage and such.

Now I want some.

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Johns Hopkins Study Probes "Sacred Mushroom" Chemical

* Scientists seek dosage “sweet spot,” find positive effects lasting over a year
* Former U.S. “Drug Czar” raises policy question
* Clinical trials now underway

Newswise — BALTIMORE, June 15 -- Scientists at the Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine have zeroed in on the dose levels of the “sacred mushroom” chemical capable of yielding positive, life-changing experiences, while minimizing the chance of transient negative reactions in screened volunteers under supportive, carefully monitored conditions.

The findings, published online this week in the journal Psychopharmacology, come from the latest in a series of rigorous experiments done at Johns Hopkins designed to shed scientific light on psilocybin, a substance found in certain psychoactive mushrooms and used for centuries in various cultures for divinatory, healing, and religious purposes.

Looking back over a year later, most of the experiment’s 18 volunteers (94 percent) rated a psilocybin session as among the top five most or as the topmost spiritually significant experience of his or her life. Under higher doses, up to a third experienced great fear or anxiety or had delusions, yet those reactions, the researchers report, were managed with gentle reassurance from the study monitors and did not outlast the session or harm the volunteers.

Most volunteers (89 percent) also reported positive changes in their behaviors, and those reports were corroborated by family members or others, the researchers say. The behavior changes most frequently cited were improved relationships with family and others, increased physical and psychological self-care, and increased devotion to spiritual practice.

More on this:

http://www.newswise.com/articles/study-probes-sacred-mushroom-chemical

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People say John Hopkins psilocybin dose rated as top 5 meaningful (Original Post) Malraiders Mar 2015 OP
Don't forget the lovely amanita muscaria: panader0 Mar 2015 #1
Will make you very sick. Be careful what you post! nt elias49 Mar 2015 #17
If you eat a bunch of them. dilby Mar 2015 #18
Seriously. Stick with psyilocibin if you feel the urge for elias49 Mar 2015 #19
I've taken both amanita and datura. panader0 Mar 2015 #29
It is lovely. I've seen them grow 14 inches across the top. postulater Mar 2015 #20
All of us old hippies could have told them that. But at least they are doing actual OregonBlue Mar 2015 #2
Another natural medicine that should be fully legal. tridim Mar 2015 #3
Weirdly interesting quote, from, IMO, a control freak: djean111 Mar 2015 #4
Psilocybin isn't nearly as profitable as war. Enthusiast Mar 2015 #9
The PTB don't want to lose all the power/$$$ afforded them from the War on Drugs. valerief Mar 2015 #11
You are certainly right on that, valerief. Enthusiast Mar 2015 #13
"...isn't nearly as profitable as war..." < You should add "...for the few". jtuck004 Mar 2015 #15
Fun times 30 years ago.... pipoman Mar 2015 #5
I wonder if they asked if it was their life's top drug experience? HereSince1628 Mar 2015 #6
That picture is not the mushrooms I know. zeemike Mar 2015 #7
There are a number of varieties. Enthusiast Mar 2015 #10
Conditions had to be just right to find cow patty shrooms Oilwellian Mar 2015 #23
I used to drink the tea strait up. zeemike Mar 2015 #31
It obvious,,,,, Cryptoad Mar 2015 #8
Psychoactive substances changed my life for the better Stainless Mar 2015 #12
Recommend. Zorra Mar 2015 #14
Psilocybin was the most spiritual journey I've ever had. JaneyVee Mar 2015 #16
can you express what do you mean by spiritual? HereSince1628 Mar 2015 #21
My spiritual experience had nothing to do with religion Oilwellian Mar 2015 #24
Thanks. HereSince1628 Mar 2015 #25
psychedelics are illegal NightWatcher Mar 2015 #22
K&R F4lconF16 Mar 2015 #26
I had a few good trips. bigwillq Mar 2015 #27
Where can we sign up as study volunteers? LiberalEsto Mar 2015 #28
Studies have also shown them being effective at treating some pretty horrible things, like cluster Chathamization Mar 2015 #30

dilby

(2,273 posts)
18. If you eat a bunch of them.
Sun Mar 1, 2015, 01:28 PM
Mar 2015

Or your a small child or animal. I personally would never do it because I hear the trip is not that fun

 

elias49

(4,259 posts)
19. Seriously. Stick with psyilocibin if you feel the urge for
Sun Mar 1, 2015, 01:32 PM
Mar 2015

a mushroom experience. And leave datura alone too. Just trust me. Please.

postulater

(5,075 posts)
20. It is lovely. I've seen them grow 14 inches across the top.
Sun Mar 1, 2015, 02:53 PM
Mar 2015

Just watch out for its' cousin the Destroying Angel.




Here's a story:
http://blog.mycology.cornell.edu/2006/11/22/i-survived-the-destroying-angel/
"Oh, and by the way, it’s now destroying your liver and 50 to 80 percent of the people who ingest Amanita DO NOT SURVIVE! At that point, I knew I was in deep, deep doo doo and in for the biggest fight of my life, for my life."

OregonBlue

(7,755 posts)
2. All of us old hippies could have told them that. But at least they are doing actual
Sun Mar 1, 2015, 11:28 AM
Mar 2015

research instead of trying to scare people.

tridim

(45,358 posts)
3. Another natural medicine that should be fully legal.
Sun Mar 1, 2015, 11:34 AM
Mar 2015

Like Cannabis, it exists for us to use, and it's criminal that we can't.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
4. Weirdly interesting quote, from, IMO, a control freak:
Sun Mar 1, 2015, 11:34 AM
Mar 2015
Commenting on the findings, Jerome Jaffe, M.D., of the University of Maryland School of Medicine, who served as the first White House “Drug Czar” and has also been a consultant to the World Health Organization on drug issues, remarked, “The Hopkins psilocybin studies clearly demonstrate that this route to the mystical is not to be walked alone. But they have also demonstrated significant and lasting benefits. That raises two questions: Could psilocybin-occasioned experiences prove therapeutically useful, for example in dealing with the psychological distress experienced by some terminal patients? And should properly-informed citizens, not in distress, be allowed to receive psilocybin for its possible spiritual benefits, as we now allow them to pursue other possibly risky activities such as cosmetic surgery and mountain-climbing?”


We are ALLOWED to go mountain-climbing? What the fuck about possibly risky activities like, say, suiting up to kill or be killed, as a member of out armed forces?

I admit - I would love to try this! Psilocybin, not war.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
9. Psilocybin isn't nearly as profitable as war.
Sun Mar 1, 2015, 12:07 PM
Mar 2015

There is a real fear (by the power establishment) that psychedelic drugs might encourage thinking outside the box.

valerief

(53,235 posts)
11. The PTB don't want to lose all the power/$$$ afforded them from the War on Drugs.
Sun Mar 1, 2015, 12:31 PM
Mar 2015

Divide and conquer to change freedom to submission, change natural drugs and health to Big Pharma control and chronic illness
> Religious vs. other/non-religious
> White vs. other race
> Male vs. other gender
> Straight vs. other orientation
> Thinking/educated vs. non-thinking/obedient

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
15. "...isn't nearly as profitable as war..." < You should add "...for the few".
Sun Mar 1, 2015, 01:07 PM
Mar 2015

It costs the rest of us dearly.

The mushrooms, on the other hand, might actually have a net benefit for everyone.

I wish they would do a study by mail. A home gardening kit seems like it would be helpful.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
6. I wonder if they asked if it was their life's top drug experience?
Sun Mar 1, 2015, 11:57 AM
Mar 2015

Equating or intersecting sets of "spiritual" with "drugged" seems like an issue needing resolution.

Which is not to say that an state of perception altered by drugs may not be profound, or to challenge people who had what they percieved as profound experience.

It may follow from my sense that healthcare should have as strong a separation from religion as religion is supposed to have with the State, but I really don't see 'devotion to spiritual practice' as measurable axis directly related to mental wellness or wellness of the physiologically whole individual.







zeemike

(18,998 posts)
7. That picture is not the mushrooms I know.
Sun Mar 1, 2015, 12:03 PM
Mar 2015

They did not look anything like that...and they grew in cow patties.

Man o man those were some good times...and we had some profound experiences.

Oilwellian

(12,647 posts)
23. Conditions had to be just right to find cow patty shrooms
Sun Mar 1, 2015, 03:26 PM
Mar 2015

We used to collect them by the trash bag full, took them home, boiled them and then made orange Koolaid with the liquid. Never could mask their taste completely but got over it quickly once the tincture began to kick in. I loved the experience and would do it again if given the opportunity.

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
31. I used to drink the tea strait up.
Sun Mar 1, 2015, 09:16 PM
Mar 2015

It was going to taste like shit no mater what you do to it...mifht as well choke it down and get it over with was my strategy.

I loved it too...some of the best experiences of my life...and they were best for me when I was out in nature...the natural world is full of wonders.
In Florida they came in the spring and fall and there were many to be had.

Stainless

(718 posts)
12. Psychoactive substances changed my life for the better
Sun Mar 1, 2015, 12:39 PM
Mar 2015

I never had a bad "trip" when I used LSD and psilocybin. I tried them both about a dozen times in the seventies and the experiences were life changing for me. I became a free thinker and learned to be a skeptic about what our so-called leaders were saying.

I am happy to hear that there is finally some unbiased research taking place. I think it is too little too late for many people who were turned into criminals because they chose to experiment with these substances.

 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
16. Psilocybin was the most spiritual journey I've ever had.
Sun Mar 1, 2015, 01:11 PM
Mar 2015

I felt a connection to earth I've never experienced before.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
21. can you express what do you mean by spiritual?
Sun Mar 1, 2015, 02:56 PM
Mar 2015

I think that is a problem I am having understanding this topic

Oilwellian

(12,647 posts)
24. My spiritual experience had nothing to do with religion
Sun Mar 1, 2015, 03:35 PM
Mar 2015

and everything to do with feeling connected to earth and nature, or in essence, grounded and much more aware of your surroundings. I would say the feeling is ethereal in nature and could explain why the word spiritual is used to describe it.

F4lconF16

(3,747 posts)
26. K&R
Sun Mar 1, 2015, 04:16 PM
Mar 2015

Best decision of my (admittedly short) life. I cannot begin to describe the positive changes I've made since.

 

bigwillq

(72,790 posts)
27. I had a few good trips.
Sun Mar 1, 2015, 04:19 PM
Mar 2015

And one bad one. Overall, it was a good experience.
edit: My most meaningful trips were off ecstasy.

Chathamization

(1,638 posts)
30. Studies have also shown them being effective at treating some pretty horrible things, like cluster
Sun Mar 1, 2015, 08:53 PM
Mar 2015

headaches and OCD. It's terrible that the fear and misinformation about psilocybin has kept it locked away for so long.

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