Elizabeth Warren Keeps Open Mind About Clinton Presidential Run

[McCamy Taylor]

Here is the REAL video clip, all 48 seconds of it. Not the 5 minute TYT interpretation.

http://www.msnbc.com/politicsnation/watch/warren-on-hillary---we-ve-got-to-see--403850819600

Smiling, "You know I think that's what we've got to see. I want to see what she's going to run on and what she wants to do. That's what campaigns are all about."

Hmm. Not sure I caught the scathing criticism of Clinton. Let's read that again.

Still smiling, "You know I think that's what we've got to see. I want to see what she's going to run on and what she wants to do. That's what campaigns are all about."

Where exactly is that "shot across the bow"? One more time please.

Smiles continue, "You know I think that's what we've got to see. I want to see what she's going to run on and what she wants to do. That's what campaigns are all about."

Surely we can parse this better than that. Remember 2008 when the press managed to twist every word that came out of Clinton's mouth into the exact opposite of what she said? Let's apply some wishful newsroom thinking and watch Sen. Warren one more time.

Angry expression "You know I think that's what we've got to see. (Not that I except to see much, if you know what I mean.) I want to see what she's going to run on (the heartless war hawk bitch) and what she wants to do (with us once she has her hands around our throats with her razor sharp nails pressed against our jugulars) . That's what campaigns are all about (and why we should all just stay home as a protest vote next fall. Or write in Me, the candidate who is not a corporate whore.)"

Because no woman in politics ever says what she really thinks. She says what reporters want to think that she thinks. Damn! Women are tricky.

[Bugenhagen]

1. Nice try, but it's dishonest to put words in other people's mouths.

The only one who wrote "war hawk bitch" is you. You are trying to paint the folks who are against Hillary as wicked misogynists, but that language is all you.

[NBachers]

2. Yeah! I caught that too, ya know. You're not putting anything over on anyone.

[AtomicKitten]

4. It's going to be a very long primary season.

One thing's for sure, Elizabeth has in fact not endorsed Hillary. The Clinton folk are going to have to reel that claim back in.

[foo_bar]

6. it seems to be the official strategy (or at least a trial balloon) at this point

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026286011

OK, I dunno about "official" (or "strategy&quot , but I predict we'll see out-and-out misogynistic attacks on Warren by Team Clinton soon (something like "We need Warren to stay in the Senate and attend to her little pocketbook issues, because Hillary's the only woman who's fully internalized* the misogyny needed to win campaigns!&quot , not unlike the "hard-working...white Americans" stuff when that was expedient. My theory is they're still jealous of the Obama campaign (G.Ferraro: “Any time you say anything to anybody about the Obama campaign, it immediately becomes a racist attack”), and they still think he won on account of "black privilege" ("He happens to be very lucky to be who he is" -GF), not because he did and said the right things or offered a less bleak view of humanity than the Clintonistas.


* They try to escape by identifying with the oppressor, living through him, gaining status and identity from his ego, his power, his accomplishments. And by not identifying with other “empty vessels” like themselves.

https://finallyfeminism101.wordpress.com/2007/10/20/internalized-sexism/

[RiverLover]

7. Rec This^^^

Totally agree. Well said foo_bar!!

[AtomicKitten]

12. +1

ELECTION 2008: Hillary Struggles Against Sexism But Regularly Plays Race Card

http://www.alternet.org/story/84150/hillary_struggles_against_sexism_but_regularly_plays_race_card

excerpt:

The sexist attacks on Clinton are outrageous and deplorable, but there's reason to be concerned about her becoming the vehicle for a feminist reawakening. For one thing, feminist sympathy for her has begotten an "oppression sweepstakes" in which a number of her prominent supporters, dismayed at her upstaging by Obama, have declared a contest between racial and gender bias and named sexism the greater scourge. This maneuver is not only unhelpful for coalition-building but obstructs understanding of how sexism and racism have played out in this election in different (and interrelated) ways.

Yet what is most troubling -- and what has the most serious implications for the feminist movement -- is that the Clinton campaign has used her rival's race against him. In the name of demonstrating her superior "electability," she and her surrogates have invoked the racist and sexist playbook of the right -- in which swaggering macho cowboys are entrusted to defend the country -- seeking to define Obama as too black, too foreign, too different to be President at a moment of high anxiety about national security. This subtly but distinctly racialized political strategy did not create the media feeding frenzy around the Rev. Jeremiah Wright that is now weighing Obama down, but it has positioned Clinton to take advantage of the opportunities the controversy has presented. And the Clinton campaign's use of this strategy has many non-white and non-mainstream feminists crying foul.

[Bugenhagen]

13. "Hang on, we're in for a bumpy ride."

Official, traditional strategy:

1. The candidate says nice things about opponent, and nothing controversial if possible. Keep the candidate clean. (See all non-buffoon candidates).

2. The candidate's agents suggest criticisms, but don't go too far. For examples of going too far, see Bill Clinton and Geraldine Ferraro in 2008. These agents were too close to the candidate and went way overboard spewing filth. (I don't mean to pick on the Clinton campaign here, but these are the two most vivid examples I can recall at the moment.)

3. Clandestine agents spread slander, and also attempt to paint the opponent's agents (and, if possible, the opponent by extension) as degenerates. This is what the OP here is. Put foul, misogynistic words in your opponents mouth. Hopefully get some excitable responder on the other side to bite, then use the misogynist label against them. Voila, opposing agent discredited and campaign tainted.

We are in for a lot of this in the coming months, as well as selective quoting, misrepresentations of intent, and so forth. I don't know how to make the popcorn thingy, but I'll probably wish I did before long.

[Cha]

3. Right.. not "It's Devastating" like ol Cenk says..

[truebluegreen]

5. Nice try. I'd say she's reserving judgment

and that is a shot across the bow.

[hootinholler]

8. So by your own admission

Warren has gone from I think Hillary's great to we'll have to see what she campaigns on.

Cool.

[MannyGoldstein]

9. Hillary 6.0 is an unknown element

certainly it makes sense for Warren to take a little time to come up to speed.

[Bluenorthwest]

10. It took her 25 years to figure out Republican policy was bigoted and fucking the middle class

so yeah, I assume it takes her some time to figure out even very obvious truths.

[MannyGoldstein]

11. So, instead of apologizing for your disgusting and utterly-wrong attacks,

e.g. http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6193133

You double down on the sleeze.

[Bugenhagen]

14. Disingenuous, filthy misrepresentation of Elizabeth Warren

Not everyone spends all day at the keyboard posting tens of thousands of opinions on politics. Mrs. Warren spent her early years raising a family, working to support them, trying to make marriage work, going to school, getting imperfect family support, and generally being a normal (if above average in the hard work department) person in a red "flyoverland" state. She wasn't actively political, she was trying to keep her head above water. In a state of all republicans, being a registered republican is sort of the default setting.

When her studies took her into the realm of bankruptcy and bankruptcy law, she started digging into the economical issues of our times and became more active. Her specialty got her into politics through the back door (politicians came to her for help) and as near as I can tell, that was when she started becoming much more politically aware and active. From that point on she ceased registering as republican and started being the super-human paragon of amazing that we all love today (or should).

I still don't know where she fits in the democratic spectrum on many issues. I don't love her for her foreign policy. I don't love her for her position on the prison industrial complex. I love Mrs. Warren for her demonstrated ability to study an issue, see how it effects real people in the real world, empathize with those people and put in the hard work to finding a solution. She doesn't have to know all the answers for me to support her.

[JI7]

15. she worked and made good money in a liberal political environment