Patronizing speeches about the middle class don't make up for fucking us with TPP

[whereisjustice]

There is a never ending class war being waged against American workers. TPP is the latest weapon in this war. It is a nuclear weapon, on the launch pad, engines fired up, counting down, ready to destroy the American worker's last bit of dignity and economic opportunity.

We all know the game at this point. Whether it's off-shore oil drilling, privatizing our education system, public health care, protecting Wall Street or sending millions of jobs to Asia, in spite of the rhetoric to the contrary, Obama manages to get things done for corporate America. The well being of our corporate citizen comes first. It's the one thing both Congress and the White House agree on.

The consequential damage by our corporate/government partnership over the last several decades has accumulated and it is staggering. Just like global warming, the science and the data behind our bad behavior highlight the duplicity between rhetoric and policy. The rich have prospered at the expense of the middle class and below. Hard working Americans are being steadily pushed into poverty while the wealth of a ruling minority is growing at exponential rates.

NAFTA and Citizens United were bad. Things are about to get worse. Much worse. As if daily backstabbing from Washington wasn't enough, here comes the fast tracked TPP, Obama's grand plan to ship millions of additional jobs to India, China, Vietnam, Peru, Australia, Malaysia, Chile and more.

At face value, the economic devastation to families by another trade deal would be bad enough. But Washington and its corporate benefactors are getting bolder. Not satisfied with just our jobs, corporations want our civil liberties and basic human rights.

TPP is more than a trade deal making it easier for corporations to outsource to slave labor in Asia. It provides extrajudicial powers to corporations who want to evade the law.

TPP further restricts our ability to petition our own government for justice and equality. Medicines, health care, banking regulations, internet neutrality, environmental protections, worker wages, protections under the Bill of Rights all become subject to the laws of TPP. The TPP agreement provisions corporate tribunals to adjudicate what is fair for American workers and their families.

What people don't seem to understand is that the job loses are not just limited to "red state" manufacturing sectors. Architecture, engineering, science, medicine, food processing, basic research, insurance, legal, design, aerospace - are all jobs being off-shored at record levels to India, China, Mexico and South America. TPP will accelerate the loss of these higher wage jobs.

TPP is not just Obama's NAFTA++, fast tracked, written and negotiated in secret by corporate lobbyists. It will become Democratic Party legacy should this rotten agreement become law. Future generations will never forgive us.

TPP proves, once and for all, the brutal truth. Both political parties put the financial interests of a few undeservedly rich oligarchs above the health and integrity of 330 million people.

We lost the NAFTA war without a fight. Stand up and defend yourself and don't let Obama steamroll you with rhetoric about TPP's ponies and rainbows. TPP has been written by corporations, for corporations. It is a shitty deal for REAL people.

[Newest Reality]

1. Tell it. Tell it!

Thanks for that.

This should be seen as an extremely critical threshold in my opinion. Even if we don't stop it, if there is no massive response to it, it is merely another test of our capacity to withstand and tolerate a grievous breech of our overall rights and even, in this case, sovereignty.

Being sold out like that would hopefully feel like salt in the collective wounds that have been inflicted upon us mercilessly by vested interests who are using money and influence as a might sword of political power to take away what we have left.

[lsewpershad]

62. To president Obama and all those who support

If it is so damned good for all America then
why is it a secret....?

[grasswire]

108. lay down the marker for history, yes

The people resist! No TPP!

[woo me with science]

2. To the Greatest Page.

[Scuba]

3. K&R

[bbgrunt]

4. let it be heard far and wide!

[rhett o rick]

5. If you've noticed those that support the President and the TPP never give any good arguments

in favor of the TPP.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12773447

[840high]

17. I've noticed.

[lark]

71. Trust us, they say.

This is the president's bill, how bad can it be, they ask? All the while snickering behind their hands because they are putting in the final piece in place to end the middle class and have all the money at the top, not just the 80%+ they have now. The only thing we have left in all states is public education and they are doing their best to erode that as well.

[rhett o rick]

79. I am in a quandry about this. How can the President expect us to blindly

accept what he has in mind. He could tell us that he won't sign an agreement that brings harm to the 99%. But the State Dept's words are totally rhetoric.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12773447

Blind trust or Blind Faith is not Democratic.

[SidDithers]

84. But it's the Oligarch Rulers who are really in control, right rick?...

Obama is just a pawn of the shadowy, all-controlling Oligarch Rulers?





Sid

[rhett o rick]

92. Good to see you too Sid. nm

[rhett o rick]

112. Yes Sid they are. Denial must offer a great comfort. Here's a story about how the

Deep State gets journalists to lie for them. I know that the truth hurts you, and maybe you will want to Alert on the OP for CP or some other reason to shut the truth down.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026163872

I notice that neither you nor your friends ever comment in these type of threads. Threads about reality.

Your emoticons are a poor attempt at ridicule. If you have something to say, come out and say it instead of hiding behind those rude emoticons.

I really don't mind you following me from thread to thread.

[SidDithers]

117. "If you have something to say, come out and say it"...

Oh, that's rich, coming from you.

Tell us about the Oligarch Rulers, rick, and why they allowed McCain and Palin to run in 2008. That was your assertion. You refused to clearly state what you meant by your nudge-nudge, wink-wink comments.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6150696

"If you have something to say, come out and say it"

GMAFB.

Sid

[rhett o rick]

125. I made my statement but all you have is questions. I don't play that game. nm

[SidDithers]

127. Imagine that!! Questions about your statement...

For those of you that haven't come to grips with the idea that the Oligarch Rulers are in control, let me offer this. Ms. Palin was not a good candidate for VP. In fact Idiot McCain was not a good candidate for President. The Oligarch Rulers are not stupid. They have the best brains money can buy. Then why do you think they allowed McDipShit and Palin to be the Republican candidates?

Who are the Oligarch Rulers, and why did they allow McDipShit and Palin to be the Republican candidates?

You won't answer that question because you know it leads to tinfoil land.

Sid

[rhett o rick]

128. Sid, how many times must I tell you, I don't play that game.

[woo me with science]

139. Excellent post.

[cheapdate]

82. Oh, that's not true at all.

Proponents of the TPP, and "free trade" in general, make familiar arguments and appeals -- based on the supposed, inherent virtues of trade liberalization, a "rising tide lifts all boats", etc. etc, and the uncritical presumption of the inevitability of globalization.

The arguments are there in the preambles and introductions that accompany any official presentation of the agreement.

Proponents can make easy assertions about "partnerships", "opportunities", "new markets for American goods", etc., etc.

We have the GATT, the IMF, the World Bank, CAFTA, NAFTA, MFN trading status for China. Every new agreement makes it easier for jobs and money to leave the US -- makes it harder to effectively manage or control large corporations. Proponents will argue that the TPP merely expands opportunities for increasing trade and the markets for American goods. They claim it ensures that all partners abide by a fair and common set of rules and standards.

I think the TPP is ghastly. Maybe it'll fail in the senate, but I doubt it.

[rhett o rick]

94. No one here posts those arguments. And I don't see anyone in the media fighting for the TPP

with arguments like you mention. I agree that they think that but they don't come out to argue.

[cheapdate]

130. I would be shocked if the mass media

in the United States led a serious and informed debate over globalization and the TPP.

Is there a sex-scandal associated with the TPP? Are there headline-grabbing political accusations? Did Donald Trump make sounds from his mouth hole?

Any mention of the TPP in the mass media will be short and superficial. They'll treat it like another "he said, she said" issue like they do almost everything.

But it's well worth bringing up and the OP is very good. It could become a bigger public issue because of the 2016 election.

[rhett o rick]

131. Some here would call your post CT and look to have you warmed at the stake.

From the sound of your post one might think there is a conspiracy of the Corp-Media to ignore issues that might be bad for the 99%. Some here fear the idea of conspiracies. It's so much more comforting to believe that our democratic (?) works and there aren't wealthy Oligarchs in control of our government. I call it willful ignorance. A self-induced condition to save themselves from reality.

I agree with you

[Art_from_Ark]

135. And of course, there was the 1985 Plaza Accord,

which was supposed to alleviate the US's burgeoning trade deficit by artificially deflating the value of the US dollar against other major currencies, most notably the Japanese yen. This was supposed to make American goods cheaper and thus more attractive to foreign buyers. But the foreign reaction was essentially "Oh, look, the prices in the American gun shop and food store just went down a bit".

[sheshe2]

119. Those that support the President....

Do not necessarily support TPP since we have no clue what it will be about. My hair is not on fire for an agreement that has not been agreed on. I await the the facts. Then I will decide. I prefer facts Rhett.

So many here seem to be experts on the facts when they know no any facts. Hair on fire. Assumptions, presumptions. Let me know when a DUer has been in the closed negotiations and knows some facts.

[rhett o rick]

124. My hair is on fire because we need to know what exactly is in the agreement before it's final.

When it's final it's too late to get concerned.

What's been leaked and what's been revealed has many good people upset. Those of us that are concerned have good reason to be concerned. We've seen the damage that these agreements can do. A corporation is suing Germany because Germany didn't want to build any more nuc plants. Per agreements, similar to the TPP, governments cant pass laws or even enforce laws that might harm a corporation's profit. Think of the environmental damage that corporations will no longer be held accountable for.

Seems to me that you don't want facts, because there are facts available that you seem to ignore.

And explain how Fast Track can be a good thing.

[SamKnause]

6. K&R

[MisterP]

7. the good news is that enough Pubs won't vote for it, out of sheer brattiness

the NAFTA vote was also very close--55% Dems and 55% Pubs, distributed by how industrial their district was rather than region or party

the bad news is, what are we going to do with the party? campaign finance reform would be great, but who'll pass it? we've locked ourselves in, painted ourselves into a corner, just coasting on the very 80-year-old accomplishments the Dems are busy dismantling and "we're not them"

[ND-Dem]

11. don't kid yourself. the sponsors of both parties want it.

[Enthusiast]

40. +1. When the time comes it will pass with flying colors.

[ND-Dem]

59. after the suitable amount of rhetoric has been extended by both sides

[MisterP]

64. and after all, NAFTA passed for all its bipartisan splits

[zeemike]

21. Keeping it close makes it seem like we could win.

When the facts are that the fix is in.
It makes no difference at all to them if it wins by only one vote. That is why they spend so much time counting the votes before the vote.

[woo me with science]

88. You clearly have been paying attention to this con game.

The Democratic Party's Deceitful Game":
They are willing to bravely support any progressive action as long as there's no chance it can pass.
http://www.salon.com/2010/02/23/democrats_34/

We have united oligarchy, not gridlocked democracy.

[zeemike]

107. I guess I have the advantage of having known con men.

And frankly they were more convincing than this con.

[lark]

73. Sorry, but that won't happen.

Repugs are all 1% all the time, so of course they will pass this and pretend that shows they can work with the president. Yeah, because the president is carrying their water with TPP, so of course they will pass it. Something that gives extra=judicial powers to the richest of corporations, are you kidding, that's their total wet dream. It hurts workers and puts profits above the nations best interests to our total peril and both sides love it.

I really don't see a way to recover from this. Our country is gone, sold to the highest bidders, and all values dropped or ignored.
Just change the voting laws a little and it's a done deal, we are the 3rd world.

[stage left]

8. K&R

I find myself hoping that Republicans hate Obama so much they won't let him have fast track authority. Probably a forlorn hope since they seem to well serve their corporate masters. Thanks for this post.

[Enthusiast]

41. The Obama hatred is a ruse. They did the same thing with Clinton. He went on to sign NAFTA,

the Telecommunications Act and Gramm-Leach-Bliley.

SMOKE SCREEN.

[ND-Dem]

96. +100

[DeSwiss]

9. K&R

- Revolution is the ONLY solution.

[pbmus]

83. Unfortunately ...

[ND-Dem]

10. "Obama manages to get things done for corporate America."

yes he can

[840high]

19. He finds his

walking shoes for corporate America.

[JDPriestly]

12. K&R. No to TPP.

[raindaddy]

13. Good to see there are many Democrats who aren't fooled by this.

Thanks for posting this

[Enthusiast]

43. We won't get fooled again.

Even Bush knew that.

[wildbilln864]

14. k & fucking r! n/t

[JEB]

15. K&R&bookmark

Thanks for the graphic with so much information clearly stated.

[MannyGoldstein]

16. I'll wait until it's passed before I form an opinion

Until it's passed, we won't know what's in the final version. Unlike Those On The Left, I never never loved this President, nor have I wanted a pony, or was hung up on poor people having shelter and to not starving.

Let's wait and see what passes. I TRUST this President.

Regards,

TWM

[whereisjustice]

18. lol, you forgot "we'll fix it later" and "if you like your job, you can keep your job" :)

[DeSwiss]

20. In my world, trust is earned not given.

- Obama has not demonstrated any reason for me to trust him. Quite the opposite. The only thing I believe that he can be trusted to do, is to to do what he's done thusfar: ''Stand up for his self-described ''80's Republican'' views which means in effect, to continue to look-out for the 1%ers and himself.''

Lifting the Veil


Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.......

[MannyGoldstein]

23. My President has earned our trust!!!

Etc.

You come here and #%^* on my post? My precious post? You're fooling NOBODY!!!!,!,!,!!,!

HE IS THE BEST OF ALL POSSIBLE PRESIDENTS!!!!'mmm

EVERYONE KNOWS WHAT THIS IS REALLY ABOUT!!!!!!!!

WHAT IS IT WITH YOU PEOPLE AND THE TPP!!!! WHY DO YOU KEEP BRINGING THIS UP OVER AND OVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[bahrbearian]

25. I think you meant to post that in the BOG

Oh that's right you can't.

[MannyGoldstein]

26. I WILL NOT BE SILENCED!!!

You all want me to SHUT THE #%^* UP!!!

I WILL NOT!!! FOR THE CHILDREN!!!

[Dragonfli]

28. A man that looks that good in a bathing suit is so dreamy who can be bothered to

wake from blessed nocturnal churnings to discuss all that boring policy stuff.

My president is a dreamboat so whatever he chooses to do is A OK with me as long as he looks good doing it!

[center]

[MannyGoldstein]

29. WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS!!!

The TPP is for THE CHILDREN!!!!!!!

[Dragonfli]

30. It's true! For he so loves the children

He intends to help all the little foreign children in impoverished lands by assuring they will be able to work in factories where their little hands can deftly create the products that can be sold to the new middle class markets oversees (that will replace our own middle class slackers that want to do those children's jobs here).

Children love working and don't need any safety concerns or living wages in such places, they desire nothing more than to bring home a dollar a day and feel proud after an eighteen hour shift!

He is thinking of them because he loves them most of all...

[MannyGoldstein]

31. THE CHILDREN WILL ALL BE COUNTED!!!'

INTO THE COAL MINE AND OUT!!!

ALL OF THEM!!!

EACH PRECIOUS ONE COUNTED!!!

[jtuck004]

110. "EACH PRECIOUS ONE COUNTED!!!" < Uh, you may be confusing them with the mules. We can get kids

to work anywhere, but mules cost money.

[Katashi_itto]

87. Parade of the Slave Children ( John Williams,arr Steven Walker )

[gregcrawford]

67. Oh, Manny!

You are SOOOO BAD!

[woo me with science]

132. +100000

Six relentless years of lies and betrayals have built strong, substantiated trust that rhetoric is cheap and the people will be screwn for the benefit of the corporate elite.

That's the only trust for which there has been consistent justification.

[KoKo]

137. ....!

[aspirant]

33. I will be expectantly waiting

for my cinema PASSES to the new classic, "The American Corporate Dream." I TRUST this movie will be the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help me God.

Will their ever be a "final version" or must we anticipate sequels for evermore?

My opinions are formed differently. Sometimes they come in circles also squares and even with the ability to triangulate.

Happy Trails

[nationalize the fed]

36. "We have to pass the bill to find out what's in it"

That caused me to remember this

He didn't promise single payer but he did promise that. And if you don't think a reversal on that promise is acceptable you're probably a racist.

[1StrongBlackMan]

38. Well, at least this TWM post doesn't invoke the specter racism ...

That is a major advance.

But as usual, you have missed what those of us "let's wait to form an opinion" folks are saying ... no one has said wait until it is passed; rather, I/we are saying, let's wait until we know what's actually in the agreement, before forming an opinion on the agreement.

See the difference ... one is hair on fire arguing that that isn't; the other is informed advocacy!

[MannyGoldstein]

44. Nor do any of the others.

Other than pointing out that people who disagree with our President are sometimes called racist for doing so.

Do you know that Obama's last job-creating free-trade agreement, with Korea, has obliterated tens of thousands of American jobs and increased our trade deficit with Korea by billions? Not a concern for a wise and balanced person such as yourself, but us hair-on-fire types think it's a problem.

[1StrongBlackMan]

46. LOL ... they don't, but they do! ...

You have the remarkable ability to say something and deny that something was said ... in the same breath.

Bravo

[MannyGoldstein]

47. It's called "correct English" nt

[1StrongBlackMan]

48. Or, full of one's self. n/t

[MannyGoldstein]

49. Another personal attack by you

Us hair-on-fire types try to avoid those.

[1StrongBlackMan]

50. LOL ... Really? LOL. n/t

[MannyGoldstein]

53. And another personal attack. nt

[1StrongBlackMan]

66. Projection is strong when "Really?" is a personal attack. n/t

[MannyGoldstein]

70. LOL [el-oh-el or, often, lol]

1. laughing out loud; laugh out loud: used as a response to something funny or as a follow-up to something said only as a joke.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/lol

[1StrongBlackMan]

75. Okay ...

SMH.

[WDIM]

56. its being written in secret

by multi-national corporations. Im sure they have the best interest of the workers and this country in mind.

This free trade deal trying to be forced on the american people. Without debate and without transparency is just further proof to me that Obama is just a face man sent out to give pretty speeches but behind close door we push further towards tyranny and fascist corporate control of our political leaders.

Aca written by insurance
companies

Free trade deal written my multi-nationals.

Corporate control of our government is irrefutable. And we the people have lost our voice.

[Andy823]

58. Ah yes

Another meaningless post by you. Do you really think you are funny?

[MannyGoldstein]

60. Another personal attack. nt

[bahrbearian]

63. Ah yes

Another meaningless post by you. do you really think you are funny?

[grasswire]

109. I think he's very funny. nt

[rhett o rick]

113. You are being facetious but really why would such a great man like Obama not

want what's best for us? I ask you.

[MannyGoldstein]

114. FOR THE CHILDREN

They shall all be equally destitute.

[rhett o rick]

126. Yee with such little Faith in Trickledown. nm

[ND-Dem]

118. lol. i can't believe how often i see that here. "i'll just wait til it's a done deal' -- cause

that will be the time when my opinion or political action will matter least of all, and I like that.

[zeemike]

22. We are supposed to be satisfied with words.

Cause that is all we can get...those mean old Republicans won't let him do anything...and they are his excuse for not keeping his promises.
And now that he is a lame duck and the GOP are firmly in control of the congress he can say anything to appease us and it won't mater at all to the outcome.
It is obvious to most of us now that he was a Trojan horse painted all pretty so we would take it in and be content with nothing...and basically that is what we got.

[Enthusiast]

45. +1 You nailed it.

[GoneFishin]

54. A trojan horse offering us a bag of tasty chocolate ...

Ex-Lax.

[Populist_Prole]

24. No it bloody doesn't. You're right

I have to believe he's being coerced somehow by the real PTB. There's no way in hell he would not only agree with right wing orthodoxy, but vehemently exhort us to embrace what is a hard HARD right republican/conservative wet dream policy.

And for the free trade/trickle-down shills that have popped up on DU like mushrooms after a rainstorm; ask yourselves this: Doesn't it make you somewhat suspicious that this is the ONE issue that inveterately plutocratic republicans ( who heretofore, would vote FOR cancer if the president came up with a cure ) agree with him on?

Think think think.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

27. The Audacity of Platitudes

[woo me with science]

42. +1 The Corruption and Moral Bankruptcy of Lies.

[Michigan-Arizona]

32. K&R n/t

[akbacchus_BC]

34. What is TPP? I live in Canada and the acronym is not familiar! nt

[SamKnause]

35. TPP

The Trans-Pacific Partnership.

Just Google TPP and it is explained in detail.

[whereisjustice]

51. A primer by Robert Reich

http://robertreich.org/

[Dark n Stormy Knight]

81. Wow. He's good at explaining just how bad the TPP is. Also bad?

The fact that there's nothing we can do to stop it. What the plutocracy wants, the plutocracy gets.

[chervilant]

37. And, the Corporate Megalomaniacs,

who've usurped our media, our politics, and our global economy, keep laughing all the way to THEIR banks. I fear that it's far too late to salvage our species...

[Enthusiast]

39. K&R!

This post should have hundreds of recommendations!

It is exactly as the OP says it is. That is why we are seeing such an organized effort on DU by the paid misinformationists.

The TPP and the related TTIP are the final nails in the Fascist coffin. We are the frog. The water is being heated slowly. Before we know it the water will be boiling and we will be finished.

[99Forever]

52. Hell yes, SING IT LOUD!

TPP and it's European sibling are a Declaration of War upon working Americans and should be treated as such.

[PumpkinAle]

55. The fact that this is being kept so very quiet

tells you they are reaching for the vaseline and it is the everyday American who is going to get it in the rear.

It is not just America that is becoming a corporatocracy it is the world.

[KoKo]

138. Deflated Footballs, ColdWar II, ISIL, Hillary/Jeb, Celebrity Porn...Distraction

But its so much FUN....not like some boring "Trade Deal." Who cares about that...

[grahamhgreen]

57. IMHO, the SOTU was sugar coating for the poison pill of costly trade.

[KG]

61. those that think TPP is supposed to benefit american worker: well you can lie to yourself, but the

rest of us see no need to share in that delusion..

[ReRe]

65. K&R

Never! It's not a trade treaty at all. It supersedes Democracy and the Constitution in one fell swoop.

[pampango]

68. "Obama's grand plan to ship millions of additional jobs to India, China, Vietnam, Peru, Australia ..

India and China are not part of the TPP. Indeed neither of those huge countries like it and they both want to see it defeated. They know that meeting labor and environmental standards will damage the advantages that they have now.

Of the TPP countries we already have 'free trade' agreement with Canada, Mexico, Australia, Chile, Peru and Singapore. In essence we are renegotiating those to include labor rights, environmental standards, currency manipulation controls, etc. With the other countries, our trade is governed by WTO rules. If you prefer those, you are welcome to them.

TPP is more than a trade deal making it easier for corporations to outsource to slave labor in Asia.

I would say that is pretty darn easy to do under current trading rules. If labor rights, environmental protections and currency manipulation are added to trading rules, it will be harder for poor countries with weak unions and environmental laws to compete, not easier.

Oh, and I just love it when liberals refer to poor workers as 'slave labor'. Actual slaves might disagree with your terminology.

... don't let Obama steamroll you with rhetoric about TPP's ponies and rainbows. TPP has been written by corporations, for corporations. It is a shitty deal for REAL people.

republicans are way ahead of you on this. (And believe me republicans do not want Obama to "steamroll" them either.) They oppose TPP while Democrats support it. And conservative republicans oppose 'fast track' by 85% while liberal Democrats are the only group that support it.

[Jakes Progress]

69. Why is this president doing this?

Is he stupid? Is he totally clueless and so happy that rich people talk to him that he listens to them as if they were worth listening to. Is he so insecure and blinded by the joy of rich people that he will do anything they want because he just doesn't know anything?

Or is is really a reagan corporatist deep in his heart? Dose he believe that corporations and commerce are more important than the lives of the people that he is increasingly unconnected to? That would make him a cold liar who is laughing at the people every time he gives one of his "populist" speeches.

Anybody got a third scenario? Anybody?

[lark]

74. I ask myself the same question all the time.

Is he a trojan-horse to begin with, has he been bribed or threatened? Don't know. I just know that the actions don't match the pretty words and I feel like we've been had.

[pampango]

76. I think he has proven that he is committed to fighting global warming. It is possible that

he wants to see enforceable environmental standards becoming part of trade rules. I don't see why he would go the all the trouble to negotiate all these climate agreements then push a trade agreement that negates all the other work he has done.

[Jakes Progress]

80. We can only judge his actions by his actions.

What he says in public is too often at odds with what he does and says in the rooms of the privileged.

While I agree that climate standards are needed, they are not binding on many multinationals. And even if the very weak (and too late) standards that he says he supports were to be real, I don't think that killing even more jobs and creating even more income inequality would be worth those small things. Now if he created substantive environmental standards that could be enforced, I would have to weigh he deal then. But as it is, corporations and the 1% get all the benefits and none of the burdens of the trade deals.

[ND-Dem]

120. because he's a man on the make, like most politicians. being black doesn't make him mlk.

[WillyT]

72. K & R !!!

[SamKnause]

77. K&R

[Ichingcarpenter]

78. Kick mom n/t

[Oilwellian]

85. Most Excellent

K&R

[SidDithers]

86. This post has a distinct scent o pine to it...nt

Sid

[Johnny Rash]

89. The whole thing sounds like it is no longer about building a Better Global Village for all;

But instead, it is about establishing a Global Corporate Dictatorship with only the 1% at the TOP.

With this DEAL, Democracy is literally being Auctioned Off to the 1% at the TOP.



Then, when this DEAL is signed, just guess what would be the first thing to go?



Come on, now! Doesn't anybody still remember those real MONSTERS?



In order words, Foreign Countries will no longer need to use their MILITARY FORCES to invade others, they will simply use the Invaded Country's MILITARY FORCES to carry out their own personal AGENDA against that country; It will be COMPLETELY LEGAL to do so!

[Phlem]

90. That's twice.

The first time was the *professional left* piece.

[delrem]

91. The TPP will get passed, exactly as Pres. Obama wants.

He has solid support across all branches of gov't.

The things he campaigned on in '08. pshaw, that was just electoral rhetoric.
Obama's signature achievement will be the total solidification of the corporate state.
Once done, it will be the norm. Opposition will be for back page "radical leftists" and "communist/socialist/gadflys".

It'll be HRC vs Jeb, or a Jeb clone.

[pampango]

93. "Opposition will be for back page "radical leftists" and "communist/socialist/gadflys"." No,

the republican base opposes it more than the Democratic base does.

[ND-Dem]

95. The population in general opposes it. But it will probably pass, because the population in

general does nothing unless some faction of the rich organizes them.

[delrem]

98. The population in general has zero control. Zero.

The population in general is just something to be manipulated a la Hermann Göring's maxim.

[delrem]

100. On: "reality based community"

"We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality—judiciously, as you will—we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors…and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do."

[pampango]

99. Recent Pew poll showed 59% of Democrats thought it is a good idea.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/11/07/why-cant-we-all-get-along-challenges-ahead-for-bipartisan-cooperation/

[delrem]

101. And an opinion poll must make it TRUE. nt

[pampango]

102. Of course not. But it beats just saying "The population in general opposes it" with

nothing to back it up.

[delrem]

104. Is it? How is that?

To say nothing about the fact that this honest and scientifically accurate political poll (has to be accurate, right?) contradicts your original message?

Or is your message now: the majority of Dems support TPP (verified by a poll!), whereas the "Republican base" opposes it (which you've not yet given a "poll justification" for, yet).

WTF is your point? Is it about the TPP, good because "D's support it and R's oppose it" - or is it about polling, or what?

eta: sorry, I mistook you for ND-DEM. but what the hell...

[Phlem]

105. So you saying our paid politicians agree with the TPP? Say it isn't so!

And one wonders why Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders are such fire brands?

They have got to be the most out of touch politicians in the whole of Congress.

[Number23]

115. I love how you just slayed this whole hysterical thread without even TRYING.

[sheshe2]

116. +1~

[delrem]

97. Do you really think this won't be passed by the Republicans?

Really?

Do you really think that some "Republican base" is any more in control than some "Democratic base"?

The word "base" is totally misused by politicians and pundits -- it's just part of the rhetoric.

[djean111]

103. Newsflash - the president does not care what we think. He does not particularly need us for

anything, at this point. We have served our purpose.
Lessee- working with the GOP to pass something Dems don't want - the TPP, having his buddy Jamie Dimon whip for a bill that benefits, um, Jamie Dimon - let's all play Who is the Democrat??!!

[pampango]

106. So the tea party has been right about Obama all along. He doesn't care what we think or

care what we want. He is just in it for power and money.

working with the GOP to pass something Dems don't want

Do you have a poll or something to show that "Dems don't want" it?

[Phlem]

111. Really?!

your going to equate this to the tea party? A bunch of liberals calling out a third way Dem. Yea ok it's the same thing. Not!

Polls!?

Dude I have a bridge to sell if your interested.

There has been no relief for the middle class and lower class during his Presidency other than reforming medical insurance, which in and of it self would have burned down the US on his watch. Other than that he did everything besides jobs for the middle class or cost of living adjustments to minimum wage, you know anything that would make wall street clinch and pay back the bail out.

Oh he was so obstructed!!! Tired of that shit.

Long term, the Dem's OK'ed Alito and the bunch. You seriously think the Republicans will just role over and OK it if we get another Dem as president pushing Supreme Court Positions?

E Gad not obstruction again!

[ND-Dem]

122. "There has been no relief for the middle class and lower class during his Presidency" +100

[ND-Dem]

121. +200

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[Jakes Progress]

133. At least it's nice to know he will be well cared for

when he leaves office. I'm glad his little girls will get to be a part of the ultra rich.

[woo me with science]

134. He will be well-rewarded. nt

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