Bubba and his 21 burner phones.

[LawDeeDah]

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Burner+phone

from the Urban Dictionary:
Top Definition
burner phone
A prepaid cellular phone, replaced frequently (weekly) (monthly) to avoid leaving a trail and getting caught up in illegal activities
Dude you want some of that herb, hit me up on the burner phone.
by gmoney21 July 30, 2009

Burner phone
A separate phone used for business purposes, usually for drug deals. Also can be called "burn phone."
If yall need some kush, you can hit me up on the burner phone.
by Ingle July 24, 2006

http://gawker.com/flight-logs-put-clinton-dershowitz-on-pedophile-billio-1681039971

Prince Andrew sex allegations: Billionaire Jeffrey Epstein 'had 21 phone numbers' for Bill Clinton
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/prince-andrew-sex-allegations-billionaire-jeffrey-epstein-had-21-phone-numbers-for-bill-clinton-9959491.html

Jeffrey Epstein, the convicted sex offender at the centre of a scandal that has seen allegations levelled at Prince Andrew that he had sex with an teenager, possessed up to 21 phone numbers for former President Bill Clinton stored in his computer, it has been claimed.

Epstein’s relationship with Mr Clinton has been previously reported on and it is known that between 2002-2005 he flew on the financier’s private jet on numerous occasions, both on charitable endeavours to places such as Africa, as well as to Epstein’s private Caribbean island, Little St James. It would later be alleged in court that Epstein organised orgies on that same private island in the US Virgin Islands.

Mr Clinton has faced no allegations over the events on the Caribbean island and in Florida, where police investigated claims that Epstein paid underage girls for sex. In 2008, Epstein, 61, pleaded guilty to a single charge of soliciting prostitution and was handed an 18-month jail sentence.

Vast right wing conspiracy of lies?

[villager]

1. Be a shame if Bill Clinton's peccadilloes pave the way for a second 8-year Republican presidency

Nation wouldn't survive it.

[Scuba]

56. But it would be great if they sidetracked a corpo-Dem and made way for a real Progressive!

[villager]

68. That would be a surprise/amazing outcome, true

Said Progressive would have to watch his/her back if they actually obtained the Oval Office, in spite of a permanently rigged system...

[Scuba]

70. That sounds almost like a threat.

[villager]

72. Scarcely. It's a read of history.

n/t

[Scuba]

80. True.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

86. Exactly! Indeed, Hillary has enabled Bill's masoginistic treatment of women. We need a true champion of women's rights, Elizabeth!

[Warren DeMontague]

151. "masoginistic"?

[FSogol]

159. Hatred of chewing?

[Warren DeMontague]

160. Gumgate!

Clinton was seen masticating in the White House!

[FSogol]

163. LOL. That's why he had 21 phones, he chews them up.

[Warren DeMontague]

165. "the telephone. you're doing it wrong."

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

173. This is no laughing matter. Actually, it's disgusting.

[Warren DeMontague]

175. Oh yes the horror the horror the fornication and immorality the horror the horror

Sorry, in the words of Yoda, for 900 years have I marinated in comedy. My own counsel I will keep, on what is or is not, a "laughing matter".

....honestly, I didn't give half a fuck in 1998, I sure as shit don't now.

Unless there's some actual evidence actual laws were broken, what the consenting adults in that family do is between them, each other, and their respective pants.

FWIW, I'd love to see Liz Warren run. But not because of this... whatever it's supposed to be.

[opiate69]

177. Hmm

[Warren DeMontague]

179. You've noticed that, too, huh?

Yeah, it's like all the dryers sprung a leak at the same time.

[Hekate]

184. Socks? A reference to their cat?

[Chellee]

161. I'm going with...

pertaining to large juniper flavored drinks. Masoginistic.

[Warren DeMontague]

164. Okay, that's just icky.

Even in my aftershave drinking days, I wouldn't touch gin.

[Chellee]

166. Did you try it with lemon?

The gin, not the aftershave.

[Warren DeMontague]

167. heh heh

Oh, I'd drink it in a pinch. But it was never my thing.

I was actually one of those English cider drinkers. It's amazing that I still have most of my teeth.

[merrily]

130. If the Party smartens up, that could happen. But I think the Party is sticking by Hills. We'll see

If Hillary is the nominee, cross your fingers there's no October surprise.

[Scuba]

134. I don't think Hillary can win, but if she does, we lose anyway.

[merrily]

136. You don't think she can win the primary?

[Scuba]

138. I don't think she can win the general election. The right's been trained to hate her for 20 years...

... and she's done nothing to inspire "probable" voters. Meanwhile she's alienated the Democratic base by being pro-war, pro-TPP, pro-H1B Visas, pro-Wall Street and hanging with "The Family".

[merrily]

141. I feel the same about the general, but I was talking about the primary.

The Party has been backing her like crazy, quite obviously since 2012. Unless the Party changes its mind about her, she will VERY probably be the nominee. That is what I meant.

[Scuba]

143. Which party? The one with the money or the one with the votes?

[merrily]

145. The one that influences donors, media, positions in Congress, etc. The one "strategists" shill for.

The one that sends Bubba, Obama, Schumer, et al out to campaign for Democrats. Or not.

The one that has been saying for two years that, if Hillary chooses to run, she'll "clear the field." No one will even bother to run against her.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

153. Yet the oddsmakers make her a prohibitive favorite...

Yet the oddsmakers make her a prohibitive favorite and she's trouncing her Republican Challengers in the polls. Of course all that can change but at this point I think I will go with empirical evidence and not this or that random poster's gut.

Oh, I like to play chess so if your retort is that she had a commanding lead at this time in 07 my rebuttal is if Barack Obama is on the ballot this election cycle I will reevaluate my opinion.

[Warren DeMontague]

162. My biggest fear around a Hillary campaign isn't Clenis Redux- honestly, I don't think the American

voter gives a shit.

My fear is that she'll offer up some mealy-mouthed middle of the road campaign, poll-tested to the gills, that gives people shit like "my most inspirational bible verse" instead of taking the actual leadership positions that the American people need, even though they might piss someone off.

[Warren Stupidity]

201. ^THIS^

[underahedgerow]

182. I've been wondering why this is all being dredged up so viciously. Now I get the 'derail Clinton'

link. Same old tactics that the GOP always uses, isn't it? So it all depends on if we fall for it and how much we care about 15-20 year old allegations.

If you don't like Mme Clinton as the Democratic candidate, I'd be seriously interested in who should be considered as the clear contender?

[Hekate]

185. BINGO on all counts. Welcome to DU....

...and hang on to your seatbelt because it's already a bumpy ride.

Obligatory disclaimer: I have not yet settled on a candidate for 2016, but s/he will have a D after their name.

[Rex]

196. It took a bit, but the sources are from the same tabloid company in the UK.

Daily-Mirror. RAW and Gawker are bullshit gossip sites.

[dsc]

2. I didn't read the entire article, only your excerpt

but I don't see the word burner in your excerpt and up to 21 could be 1 it could be 2 etc. I can easily see having multiple numbers (I have three myself where I can be reached).

[LawDeeDah]

5. If one wonders why anyone would need 21 phones numbers...

the trail leads to burner phones and how and why they are used. Before today, I had little idea what burner phones were and what they were used for.

Of course having 21 different phone numbers, or up to, is more that slightly strange. I know people around Bill's age and remembering one is hard enough.

[SidDithers]

9. He needed all the phones for the drug smuggling through Mena airport...

Sid

[msanthrope]

32. I swear I was going to write exactly this. nt

[SidDithers]

46. It was either Mena, or Whitewater...

'course, Bill needed a big suitcase to carry around 21 of these:



Sid

[msanthrope]

53. Funny, how the Clenis is still feared, decades later. nt

[SidDithers]

67. It ranks right up there with the Illuminati and the BFEE...

and, of course, the Inebriati :

Sid

[msanthrope]

73. "Might as well get shit-faced now!" By the way..has our girl Hannah come home? nt

[SidDithers]

77. Yup, back to posting up a storm...

DU is like Hotel California.

You can get kicked out, but you can never leave.

Sid

[msanthrope]

87. What dedication! nt

[zappaman]

88. I'm with the Dude on this one...

[hifiguy]

76. I LOVE that Weinberg quote.

[SidDithers]

78. The full quote is...

"Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion."

Smart feller, that Nobel Prize winning physicist.



Sid

[hifiguy]

91. Yep. I have the full version in my collection of great quotes.

And it is one of the most brutally truthful things anyone has said in the last hundred years.

[FrodosPet]

66. Pity the poor, abandoned TracPhone.

♫ I'm just a burner, they can't trace me. Use me in drug deals, then replace me. ♫

[dsc]

12. I admit to not being an expert

but the whole concept of a burner phone is to use it for a very short time and then discard it. That would seem to preclude anyone having 21 of them at one time.

[LawDeeDah]

16. certainly not all at one time - that would defeat the purpose of having a burner.

Use one for a week, trash it. Get a new one, repeat and rinse. All the while supplying your contacts with the new numbers = possibly 21 phones.

[dsc]

17. but why would the person you gave the numbers to save the old ones?

that is my point. They would delete the previous ones unless they were still active which means they likely aren't burner phones.

[LawDeeDah]

25. I suppose Epstein wasn't very smart. He was really stupid and careless to have those numbers around

but I also think, that when you get to be that rich and that powerful, you begin to believe you truly are invincible and bad things can't ever happen to you and rules and laws are for other people.

[dsc]

92. It has nothing to do with being smart

the number would literally be useless and thus you would delete it so you wouldn't call it by accident. My sister had cell phone issues at one point and went through several numbers I deleted the old ones so when I called her I actually got her. Otherwise I got either nothing or a recording.

[Whiskeytide]

103. I'm ashamed to admit...

... I have contacts in my phone I haven't called or had anything to do with in years. Deleting them is just so much...... trouble.

I actually did go through my phone about 5 years ago and deleted everyone I didn't need, cleaned it all up - took several hours. Then I synced the damn thing with my laptop and it put every one of them right back on there. I said "never again".

[Hekate]

186. Yeah, but this is the fearsome Clenis we're talking about here, so it must be evil....

I bet Hillary bought him those phones, too.

[wyldwolf]

20. by your logic, combined with the time line of your fantasy, there would be more than 21

AHA! Add this to your screed: "Clinton had AT LEAST 21 maybe MORE!!"

[elehhhhna]

158. new one every 2 months sounds like

[tabbycat31]

106. I've bought 15 at once before

Then again I'm a campaign staffer, and the phones that campaigns use for phonebanking are typically burner phones.

The Best Buy employee had a funny look on his face.

[JonLP24]

183. Not for someone as well known as Bill Clinton

Though a burner means he is throwing them away so he can't be tapped. You wouldn't be able to reach him unless he supplied you a new number. The 21 numbers thing lacks context.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

6. I thought this thread was about Bill Clinton selling weed.

Burner phone
A separate phone used for business purposes, usually for drug deals. Also can be called "burn phone."
If yall need some kush call Bill Clinton, you can hit him up on his burner phone.

[Warren DeMontague]

152. They don't call it "Bubba Kush" for nothin'

[Rex]

198. What's a lid run for?

I just smoked the last of my Clinton Chronic.

[Warren DeMontague]

199. One of the funniest bits on SNL after the original batch left:

http://screen.yahoo.com/cold-opening-bush-clinton-perot-000000359.html

[Rex]

204. Oh man I forgot how funny SNL was back in that day!

TY for that link! That gave me about 3 hours of entertainment! Dana Carvey is a fookin comedy mastermind! His Ross Perot had me ROFLMAO!

[Warren DeMontague]

229. Isn't that classic? I remember watching it when it aired.

Phil Hartman as Bill Clinton with the bong... priceless.

[Rex]

231. Phil Hartman was another master of comedy, it is tragic the he is no longer with us.

https://screen.yahoo.com/george-bush-debate-000000832.html

[DemocratSinceBirth]

203. I haven't got high since 1993. Isn't a lid an ounce?/NT

[Rex]

205. More or less, it is three to four fingers.

Placed up against a ziplock baggy, three/four fingers is usually close to an ounce. So I've been told.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

207. In the late 70s you could get a pound Of Colombian for $200.00, Mexican for $140.00 -$170.00

How much is a pound now?

[zappaman]

208. You'd be surprised.

It isn't that much more expensive especially if you know a grower.
There is soooo much out there, it's ridiculous.
Or, like here in California, you can grow 7 plants if you have a medical card, which costs around $30.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

209. I'm in Woodland Hills. I know it's ubiquitous here

I will see people getting high in their cars, in parking lots, et cetera.

[zappaman]

211. The other difference is it's all good stuff!

No nasty "ditch weed barely get you high" stuff.
All potent and you get a choice between indica and sativa.
Nice to know what you are ingesting...

[DemocratSinceBirth]

212. I wouldn't know.

Last time I partook Clinton was just beginning his first term.

[zappaman]

213. I think that was after he didn't inhale! n/t

[DemocratSinceBirth]

216. Now blow is not even a deal breaker./NT

[Rex]

236. Depends.

It is dangerous, imo, now because to get cheap deals you have to mess with people in drug cartels. Which can be very unhealthy. A good pound costs about 400 dollars. Trash weed is half that.

[wyldwolf]

11. HA! I have FOUR!

And an additional two google numbers that forward to two of the phones! TOP THAT!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

13. Do you use them to sell

[wyldwolf]

18. I use them to sell...

books CDs and DVDs, music lessons, I had a dedicated line for my mom when she was ill.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

21. This isn't you

[waddirum]

180. that photo has me drooling nt

[LawDeeDah]

19. have you ever talked to a convicted sex offender

and given him your number 21 different times.

I think you miss a very, very large point.

[wyldwolf]

24. Look at the timeline of your fantasy story

Concentrate on the year 2008.

Now, does your story say Epstein had 21 current numbers since 2008? (that's your cue to make something up now.)

[LawDeeDah]

29. you are spending a whole lot of energy following me about.

There are others doing that as well. I am very pleased to be so entertaining for you. As for this story, we will see if anything else becomes public or if Dertshowasshole buries it by intimidation.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

34. LawDeeDah

Would you like some advice from someone who can troll with the best of them when he feels so inclined?

[wyldwolf]

35. So now everyone is stalking you? LOL

[zappaman]

40. Apparently.

[pinboy3niner]

41. Hey! How come I didn't get the memo?

[LawDeeDah]

50. I guess you aren't stalky enough?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

48. I believe we are just bonding.

[Scuba]

61. Ding, ding, ding. We have a winner.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

84. Not knowingly./NT

[Hekate]

188. Are you saying the Big Dog is a convicted sex offender now? Keep your story straight. nt

[MelissaB]

170. Add Talkatone and you could have at least one more. You've got some catching up to do!

[dilby]

85. I am failing to see the problem.

Has anyone come forward and said that Bill Clinton has done anything wrong or illegal, because if not then all you are doing is trying to create an issue that does not exist.

[NightWatcher]

3. That's it, I'm never voting for him again

[freshwest]

124. LOL!

[Gman]

4. BFD. Just Clinton bashing electron wasting

BS.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

93. Since when is discussin mistreating women, especially if they were underaged, a waste? You don't think the Rethuglicans are going to bring this crap up about Bill and other skeletons in his closet?

And how about Hillary's enabling Bill's lewd behavior. She doesn't exactly set an example for women's rights and empowerment. Indeed, it's an embarrassment. I'd take Warren any day over Hillary. Please Elizabeth, I'm beggin you to run.

[Gman]

99. Freakin' spare me

It's not an issue. Plain and simple.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

171. Keep dreamin.

[hughee99]

149. Since when? Since the alleged perp has a "D" after his name.

If the same thing were alleged about Bush's cousin's, roommate's, barber, many of the same people who think this story is a waste would be talking about Bush's ties to underage sex trafficking.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

154. And the story would go the same place, nowhere.

Well, nowhere, beyond the confines of Democratic Underground.

[hughee99]

156. Agreed. This story is a loser. I don't know what, if anything, happened, but I do know

there's a lot of people with a LOT of power an money who have an interest in keeping Clinton out of trouble. If he's even in any trouble in the first place, you can be sure no one is going to talk. I'm not sure why Clinton would have a bunch of burner phones, though (if the story is even true), doesn't he trust that his phone calls and call records would be kept private?

[SidDithers]

7. So?...

Is Bill Clinton running for something?

Now, post about Haiti, or something.

Sid

[SidDithers]

37. zappaman asked me who you were, and I told him...

It's not like it was hard to figure out. It was pretty obvious, really. I mean, I knew back in October.

Names might change, but posting patterns and opinions rarely do.

And no, the information didn't come from MIRT, though MIRT does, on occasion, discuss returnees. I wasn't on MIRT in October.


Sid

[DemocratSinceBirth]

94. I have nearly 50,000 posts why am I not in on all this drama? /NT

[Hekate]

189. Some people are able to recognize past patterns really well

Sadly, I am not one of them, so I miss out on some of the fun. However, I do recall many of the names of the dear departed, and the aggravation they caused.

[freshwest]

232. BWAHAHA! The Bat Signal shines again:

"I'm not going to kill you. I want you to do me a favor: I want you to tell all your friends about me."

"WHAT ARE YOU?!"

"...I'm Batman."

to Sid:

LahDeeDah

Posting Privileges Revoked

Revoked by Skinner (Administrator)

Jan 28, 2015

Previously banned.

[SidDithers]

233. The Bat Signal's been updated...

Sid

[zappaman]

234. Well done.

But they'll be back!

[freshwest]

235. Okay then!

[freshwest]

135. Bill MUST be running for something, because HRC can't be Prez all by her little old self, right?

The job requires a MAN! He'll have to be the one calling the shots, as she couldn't have her mind and can't be competent, ya know?

Because she doesn't have the same stuff as he has in his pants, or some such malarkey. She's missing that special something!

Just like we needed those intellectual giants and glowing examples of emotional maturity, wannabe Prez's, McCain or Romney! Because Obama was and still is... uh... you know... that special word. At least he had the 'right stuff... just not enough.'

Like this guy:

[URL=.html][IMG][/IMG][/URL]

Apply icon liberally as needed...

BTW, half the American population won't forget those who think HRC is incompetent or sleazy because of her husband who seriously pissed her off.
Are all women with philandering husbands at fault now?

That accusation won't hunt.

[SidDithers]

206. Exactly...

A woman is only as good as the man secretly running her.

Apparently.

Sid

[JoePhilly]

226. All hail, Sid the troll killer!!!!!

Most excellent!

[olddots]

8. I thought it was Burger Phones

isn't he a vegetarian now ?

[LawDeeDah]

22. That's cheesey. Only people named Patty use Burger phones.

[FrodosPet]

45. Can you use a burger phone as a burner phone?

I prefer my phones (and burgers) to be done well, not well done.

[Ykcutnek]

10. Sounds like a case for Lester Freamon. nt

[msanthrope]

38. Omar's comin'. nt

[FrodosPet]

51. The Wire: The Musical with Michael Kenneth Williams

[msanthrope]

57. That was hysterical!!! Holy shit, thank you! nt

[FrodosPet]

127. I wish they really would turn it into a full length play

As cheap as I am, even I would go see it.

[MineralMan]

54. Run! Omar comin'!

[freshwest]

146. And the burner phone!

[wyldwolf]

15. Someone who has known me for 10 years...

... would have five land line numbers for me, three work numbers, two cell numbers and (if you're special) two google numbers that forward to my cell for work purposes.

[LawDeeDah]

23. did that someone serve time for molesting, sexually assaulting a minor?

again, y ou are missing a huge, big, humongous point here. But I know you aren't here to make a serious one. Just one of those shiney things to follow.

[wyldwolf]

27. Not sure

But again, you're not following the timeline and you're filling in the gaps with your imagination.

[LawDeeDah]

33. uh huh

[wyldwolf]

36. Glad you agree.

[pinboy3niner]

26. It's a huge, unsupported leap to "burner phones"

Clinton would have multiple phones at home and the offices of his organizations and places where he travels.

The whole "burner phone" claim is bullshit.

[wyldwolf]

28. you're going to hurt the OP's tender feelings.

[LawDeeDah]

39. the question is, why would Jeffrey Epstein have so many numbers for Bill?

If you can come up with a good reason, I will listen but what you said here is not a good reason. Of course Clinton wouldhave tons of different phone numbers, there is the Foundation then the other one, Initiative something or other. Loads of numbers, but does he change those as well so often? I doubt it.

[wyldwolf]

42. "If you can come up with a good reason, I will listen"

[herding cats]

30. It's worth pointing out those numbers were for his various contacts, not just him.

They were from Epstein’s computerized phone directory. It included Clinton's personal assistant, his schedulers, etc., and even what appeared to be his personal numbers at the time.

However, none of them were ever reported to be "burner" phones.

[zappaman]

31. I know you desperately need to smear the Clinton's, but you're just making shit up.

Where does the article mention "burner phones"?

[LawDeeDah]

43. I don't think the article mentions burner phones at all.

I am curious why anyone would need 21 phone numbers, and burner phones came up in another conversation. I find this fascinating as I really didn't know much about those things and why they are used, now I do.

[zappaman]

49. So why did you make it up?

Maybe you should read reply 30...or not.

[11 Bravo]

71. Clearly Bill needed 21 phones to contact Hillary on the ...

numerous phones she was using to orchestrate the deaths of four Americans in BENGHAZI!
He needed to be able to reach Hillary in order to summon her to come and help restrain the countless underage girls that Bill was sexually abusing.
Sound about right?

[SidDithers]

81. This thread is all kinds of awesome...

Sid

[La Lioness Priyanka]

219. also, which part of this article has any credibility whatsoever.

[zappaman]

221. Good point.

[MineralMan]

44. WTF?

"it has been claimed?" Really. By whom? Where's the evidence of this? Allegations by whom?

This is bogus crap. When you find some actual person who has actual evidence, then you have a story. Right now you have nothing but anonymous claims. That's what you bring to DU? Really?

[Hekate]

190. The OP is a very dedicated and persistent person

Dedicated to what, I can't say for sure.

[egduj]

47. ZOMG IT'S THE CLENIS!!1!!!1

[SidDithers]

55. /thread...

Congratulations, you win 1 internet.



Sid

[MohRokTah]

52. BWAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!111!

Man, you keep worrying this like a puppy with a piece of rawhide.

[FSogol]

58. Hey lookit, we no longer have to leave DU to read Karl Rove-esque nonsense.

[msanthrope]

60. You Better Believe It! nt

[Metric System]

59. Is this really how Elizabeth Warren supporters are going to behave? I hope you don't represent them.

[FSogol]

62. Seriously. n/t

[zappaman]

64. +100!

[wyldwolf]

65. according to the OP, she only put the Warren graphic in her sig to annoy Clinton supporters

We really have no idea if she supports Warren. Or any Democrat.

[LawDeeDah]

69. Not quite as you say. I knew that when I did put Warren's graphic up

that a lot of Clinton supporters would be annoyed as they think of her as a threat. I put that graphic up because I like Warren and really appreciate the real hard work she has put in. It's really silly to twist that into something you would rather believe, but go ahead, no skin off my nose. Everyone knows that Warren supporters are not exactly welcomed here.

That's just a weeny bit different than what you said, isn't it?

[wyldwolf]

75. "I knew that when I did... Clinton supporters would be annoyed"

Actually your first quote was even more bizarre - that you got special treatment when you put up the Warren sig.

Everyone knows that Warren supporters are not exactly welcomed here.

There are A LOT of Warren supporters who are brilliant prolific posters (who don't make up shit and drag right wing crap into DU)

[zappaman]

79. I'm a Warren supporter.

I contributed to her campaign for senate even though I live in California.
Glad she won and just recently donated to Kamala Harris' campaign thru Elizabeth's site.

I feel welcome here.

You sure do seem to make a lot of shit up.

[bluedigger]

95. I'm a Warren supporter - never had one problem here over it.

People who post divisive bullshit designed to weaken the left, now they might have a problem here.

[NCTraveler]

63. You don't really understand how voter suppression works.

The people here at DU are either going to vote for Hillary or not, depending on the opportunities given at the polls. Your spreading of negative disinformation isn't really going to change that. You are also not going to gain any votes for your preferred republican candidate by going negative. Have a meeting with your buddies on that other site and come back with a new strategy. I am proud of you for your efforts. It takes determination to spread this much bullshit.

[MineralMan]

74. Now you're just making stuff up.

Nothing about that in that story. In fact even the phones were just "allegations." You made up the "burner phone" thing out of whole cloth? Why?

This line is also in the story: "Mr Clinton has faced no allegations over the events on the Caribbean island and in Florida,"

What's your point here? You make up "burner phones," and try to tie Clinton to sex with underaged girls. Again, there is no evidence whatsoever that indicates that he had anything to do with that. No evidence? It didn't happen.

Find evidence, not anonymous allegations. Find a reference to "burner phones," or don't mention them, please. Please don't make things up. That's not a nice thing to do.

[arcane1]

112. It's like they're auditioning for FOX, isn't it?

[MineralMan]

115. I'm not sure what it's like, really.

It's sure not like something I care to listen to. It sounds like all the RW propaganda I've ever heard about the Clintons. It's old and tired. and Wrong.

[FSogol]

142. It's the love child of Matt Drudge and Karl Rove!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

172. My favorite Drudge story

My favorite Drudge story was the bi-racial love child Clinton allegedly made with a young woman who lived in a Little Rock project when he used to go on his daily jogs.


i remember they were discussing the angle to get it in the mainstream on FAUX NEWS so they decided to go with the deadbeat dad angle.

[FSogol]

174. Careful. The OP is listening.

[LanternWaste]

82. I'd suggest avoiding the Rush Limbaugh style of journalism...

"Vast right wing conspiracy of lies?"
I'd suggest a vast turd-ball flung at the wall to see if it sticks.

Just a suggestion-- innuendo, implications and conjecture are a rather big turn-off to rational voters. If you're simply attempting to sway to lowest hanging fruit, you're doing a good job. However, on the off chance you're attempting to persuade the rational voter, I'd suggest avoiding the Rush Limbaugh style of journalism (and if you're honest with yourself, you know that is precisely what you are doing, regardless of how you rationalize, or maintain a pretense of a sincere and genuine curiosity).

Me? No idea who I'll cast my primary vote for yet, I'm patient, the primaries haven't even started, and most of my attention is directed towards policy and analysis... but to be perfectly honest, posts such as yours viscerally tempt me to cast my ballot for the guys you hate.

[Beacool]

83. Nice try..........

Might as well be on a RW site. Same old crap around here.

You might want to note that the woman making the allegations against Epstein and prince Andrew denied being with Bill Clinton and said that she never saw him in any sexual situations with anyone.

"During the period that Roberts worked for Epstein he was good friends with Clinton, but she denies sleeping with him despite rumors to the contrary.

'I have seen reports saying or implying that I had sex with former President Bill Clinton on Little St James Island,' she writes in the filing.

The island, part of the U.S. Virgin Islands, is owned by Epstein.

'Clinton was present on the island at a time when I was also present on the island, but I have never had sexual relations with Clinton, nor have I ever claimed to have had such relations. I have never seen him have sexual relations with anyone,' Roberts wrote."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2921218/I-never-slept-Bill-Clinton-Sex-slave-Virginia-Roberts-denies-rumors-relations-former-President-explosive-court-filings.html

[MineralMan]

89. Well, I found some other sources about these "burner phones."

It's odd that they're all on right-wing sites, like:

http://www.bizpacreview.com/2015/01/06/bill-clintons-21-burner-phone-numbers-in-billionaire-pimps-contacts-trips-to-teen-sex-runners-private-island-170681

and

http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/huge-news-bill-clinton-may-end-hillarys-career-shocking/

and

http://twitchy.com/2015/01/05/report-sex-offender-jeffrey-epstein-had-21-different-numbers-for-reaching-bill-clinton/

and

http://victorygirlsblog.com/bill-clinton-involved-in-prince-andrews-sex-scandal-what-it-may-say-about-hillary/

Odd coincidence, huh? They all date to early January. Weird, eh? And they're all based on no actual information. Strange, isn't it?

[Hekate]

191. Good on ya

[Rex]

193. More to the point imo, I can't believe a Clinton would get on a jet called

the Lolita Express. If you go to google and then the news tab and type in Lolita Express you can see a pattern in the sources. dailymail.co.uk and mirror.co.uk should be instant red flags. And then RAW and Gawker...and then nothing. 5 entire sources, with the biggest two being the same source! LOL!

I have no idea if the Clinton were on that plane, but I seriously doubt they would get on one called the Lolita Express. I've bought some stupid shit in my day...but have a hard time believing it. The plane IOW, was dubbed the 'Lolita Express' by the daily-mirror gee two British tabloids of ill repute.

What worries me more is the FACTS...that some rich asshole got only one month for having sex with underage girls. Over 30 of them, but that is not a direct correlation with Bill Clinton flying on that plane...which was probably called whatever planes have written on them in letters and numbers.

If they did in fact actually board a plane with the words Lolita Express on them, I would shit my pants. And since the sources lead back to ONE source (mirror owns dailymail), I have to conclude this is another spear campaign.

If I was the Clintons, I would distance myself from known pervert billionaires.

[Bluenorthwest]

90. 'Bubba' is what I expec out of Rush. Famous people change phone numbers like others change

sox. Not to mention that people with large lives often have multiple telephone contacts. Burner phones are very popular security features. A burner allows me to give you 'my phone number' for purpose without opening my life to you entirely.

[NCTraveler]

96. Slick Willie/Willie Pete.

LawDeeDah, you connect the dots.

[stevenleser]

97. You bolded and concentrated on the wrong part. Here, I'll help...

Mr Clinton has faced no allegations over the events on the Caribbean island

[LittleBlue]

98. The GOP is burying this until Hillary is nominated

Then they'll unleash this. Will be Monica 2.0, except this time the girl is underage.

[Bluenorthwest]

100. what are you basing that on, a possible accusation? You state it as if it is a known fact to you.

The actual facts of the story do not in fact support your conclusions here.

[LittleBlue]

101. Did George Bush need facts to Swiftboat Kerry?

One doesn't need facts beyond reasonable doubt to defeat a rival in an election.

[wyldwolf]

105. No, but it wasn't the swiftboating that defeated Kerry

I can also point out similar tactics failed to defeat Clinton 3 times (two elections and one impeachment.)

[LittleBlue]

107. Defeat Clinton?

You mean in New York? Uh, yeah sure. We can nominate anyone to run in NY and they'll probably win.

This is a national election, not New York. In the only national contest Hillary ever ran, she ran against an unknown guy as a inevitable favorite and lost spectacularly. And she didn't have to deal with the allegation that Bill was on a plane with underage girls.

[wyldwolf]

108. I mean BILL Clinton

[LittleBlue]

113. If Bill Clinton is running, let me know

Even then, all his allegations of cheating before Monica were well known but dismissed. He will not be given the benefit of the doubt now as an admitted cheater.

And if it was ever proven that he was on a plane with underage sex workers, God help us. There is no way to explain that. Hillary would be toast, and it would affect the senate and house races.

It isn't fair that she's tainted with his behavior, but life isn't fair. My question is, why put the party's welfare at risk when we do so well in presidential elections anyway? The demographic trends make it almost hopeless for the GOP. Against the GOP's joke candidates, we win if we run a clean candidate with no skeletons. So why take the risk? The GOP is hoping we run someone who has a huge scandal, it's the only way they can win.

[wyldwolf]

119. When John Kerry is running, let me know

You're the one who said false allegations against a candidate can torpedo a candidacy and used John Kerry as an example.

Not only did the swiftboating NOT defeat Kerry, the allegations against Clinton failed to bring him down three times.

So what other examples do you have?

[Bluenorthwest]

110. I have not heard any such allegation.

I heard he flew on someone's jet. Big whoop.

[LittleBlue]

117. Would your perception change if

he was on the plane with underage girls who were hired by a wealthy man to engage in sex acts?

A plane called the "Lolita Express"

[DemocratSinceBirth]

111. Barack Obama was a phenomenal candidate and he was well known after his 2004 Convention speech.

It 's also ironic you are rocking an avatar of Dr. King lest we forget that before the great man was assassinated his character was first.

[LanternWaste]

122. "The prudent keep their knowledge to themselves, but a fool's heart blurts out folly."

Your prophecies will indeed, certainly be allowed all the credibility they actually warrant.

I believe this is from Proverbs... "The prudent keep their knowledge to themselves, but a fool's heart blurts out folly." You are blurting.

[LittleBlue]

126. The bible supports slavery and murder of disobedient children

You're looking in the wrong place for someone who cares about your biblical wisdom.

Try the Religion forum.

[LanternWaste]

128. Not wisdom... just a suggestion to keep foolishness and prophecies to oneself.

Not wisdom... just a suggestion to keep foolishness and prophecies to oneself.

Try the Creative Speculation forum.




(Six of one, half a dozen of the other-- inserts distinction without a difference below to maintain pretense you have an actual point. Bless your little heart...)

[LittleBlue]

132. I should keep my political strategy discussion to myself

on a political forum? Okay. I'll take that advice under consideration.

[LanternWaste]

137. Strategy is fine. Foolishness and prophecies are simply foolishness and prophecies

Strategy is fine. Foolishness and prophecies are simply foolishness and prophecies, regardless of how you rationalize it otherwise.

Bless you little heart... you really do have nothing substantial to ad, do you? I'll slowly back way from the inane, and you can insert below any additional foolishness you'd like to pretend (to yourself if no one else) is relevant, and feel oh so special about how clever your foolishness is.

Have at it, good luck, and doggonit... people like you!!!

[LittleBlue]

139. Do everyone a favor and stick to religion

you really do have nothing substantial to ad, do you?

Maybe you do better with faith than logic and spelling.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

144. Since he spelled everything else right wouldn't it be fairer to attribute it to a...

Since he spelled everything else right wouldn't it be fairer to attribute it to a typographical erro.


I'm just kicking the thread because there's comic gold within.


We get it. A lot of people on this site hate Bill and Hill's guts. It's kind of odd behavior for an ostensibly Democratic board but being here as long as I have been I am used to it.


It's the clumsiness of the attempts to undermine them that I find amusing.

[Cali_Democrat]

129. Just like how the GOP buried the Michelle Obama whitey tape until the general election?

[Dont call me Shirley]

102. Start naming republicans, no doubt they were part of this nastiness.

[fishwax]

104. the article doesn't say anything about burner phones

[arcane1]

109. It doesn't say what those numbers were for, that I saw.

Different office locations, for example?

I'm not saying the gist of the OP is untrue, but if you are going to claim 21 disposable phones, you should at least present some evidence to back it up.

[muriel_volestrangler]

125. Different people, such as assistants, as well as locations

e-mail addresses for Clinton along with 21 phone numbers for him, including those for his assistant, Doug Band. The document says Epstein had Clinton’s personal numbers as well as his email

The gist of the OP is indeed untrue. These were not 'burner phones'.

[zappaman]

114. Thank you for an entertaining thread!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

116. Two more votes and it makes The Greatest Page and the fun really begins.

I'm almost tempted to recommend it myself

#lol@burnerphones

[zappaman]

118. I had to Rec it for the entertainment contained within.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

121. I post on a potpourri of boards. I like that word. The goal is to make your interlocutor ...

I post on a potpourri of boards. I like that word. The goal is to make your interlocutor jump the shark before you do. The OP was on a roll with the sex plane thread but this thread is an example of imperial overreach.

[zappaman]

147. I prefer "plethora" myself. n/t

[DemocratSinceBirth]

155. Potpourri is a Jeopardy category

"Plethora" for $500.00 doesn't have the same ring.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

120. "Out, damn'd spot! out, I say!" Lady MacBeth

Though I doubt she was referring to a blue dress.

[Starry Messenger]

123. Operation Foot Bullet started early this year, I see.

Dumb post.

[FSogol]

140. Maybe someone got a Matt Drudge Starter Kit for Christmas?

[tammywammy]

131. I respect that when you commit to something you really stick with it.

All facts get thrown to the wayside in your determination.

Bravo!

[pinboy3niner]

133. I think Initech saw Bubba & The Burners at the Troubador last weekend

He said that was one band that was totally pulled out of somebody's ass.

[Warren DeMontague]

150. It's the Clenipocalypse!!!

Seriously, I can think of several cogent reasons why one might not support HRC in the Primaries, but this shit is inane.

[wildbilln864]

157. k & fucking r! n/t

[Aerows]

168. 168 posts about this

But hardly a peep about Netanyahu and Boehner conspiring to discredit our DEMOCRATIC President.

Interesting.

[Pisces]

169. I smell a bug

[babylonsister]

176. Who gives a flying flip? He's not running, last I checked. nt

[Agnosticsherbet]

178. So how many phones did Hillary Clinton have?

another attempt to smear Hillary Clinton with something that her husband may or may not have done.

[daredtowork]

181. *eye roll*

The minute Charlie Hebdo hit Twitter the Epstein Conspiracy people were screaming that this was a false flag to distract from their story of the century.

This.Story.Is.Not.Being.Ignored.By.The.MSM.

Please let real journalists handle it. Because when you start dragging YOUR conspiracy theories into it, that just makes it harder to get very real criminal cases taken seriously.

Chill.

[Rex]

187. Wait...the plane was called the Lolita Express?

Seriously, who the fuck in their right mind would get on a plane called the Lolita Express? That sounds so fucking unbelievable.

"It’s illegal for an American citizen to travel to another country solely to have underage sex, even if it’s legal in that country. Having sex in a private plane en route would be considered the same thing, according to legal references.

Epstein cut a deal in 2008 and pled guilty to one count of soliciting sex from an underage girl, which netted him all of one month in a Florida jail. But federal prosecutors allege his activities are far more extensive.

He abused as many as 35 underage girls, according to federal prosecutors."

ALL OF ONE MONTH!?

WOW.

Again, why would anyone get on a plane called the Lolita Express? Unfuckingbelievable.

So Epstein is into tweens...how fucking totally gross. I hope people here that have kids that are 14-16 think about that before replying. I am surprised the Clintons are friends of this ghoulish character.

[Hekate]

192. LawDeeDah, sweetie, I think DUers are on to you. This has been most entertaining....

.....really.

[Rex]

194. Yeah...the main two sources are owned by the same company!

I'm glad I went to google and the news tab to look...all of 5 sources! Where is reuters? Where is the US press on this? RAW? Oh give me a fucking break!

RAW use to be a word spit in disgust around here on DU2. Gawker is just an online gossip site!

[pnwmom]

195. LawDeeDah and his/her tabloid links. n/t

[Rex]

197. If people are wondering Mirror-Dailymail UK is like reading the National Review

or The American Spectator, only trashier. Besides, the Clintons would not get on a plane called the Lolita Express all painted pretty on the side. That's just stupid.

[muriel_volestrangler]

227. You are conflating 2 very different papers, neither of which are the paper in the OP

As a guide:
Daily Mail is a right wing tabloid, but likes to think it's respectable. Anti-immigrant.
Daily Mirror is a populist leftish tabloid. Can be unreliable, but it was strongly against Bush*, and the invasion of Iraq.
The Independent, linked in the OP, is centrist, and a 'broadsheet' - ie non-tabloid, and on the whole reliable. You may find RW opinion in it, but, on the whole, it would be called left in the USA - pro-environment, for instance, and Robert Fisk writes for it.

Of the 3, only the Mail can be compared to the National Review or American Spectator. Fox News would be closer for it, however.

* eg its front page after the 2004 election:

[GeorgeGist]

200. Like trolls ...

the notion is ludicrous.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

202. if you could turn the comedy in this thread into money we could pay off the national debt./NT

[dissentient]

210. I'll give you one thing, you have a talent for writing headlines...

"Bubba and his 21 burner phones"

[zappaman]

214. Well, this thread didn't go as planned.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=317453&sub=trans

[SidDithers]

217. ...

Sid

[Hekate]

220. Sweet. Well, it provided an inordinate amount of entertainment while it lasted!

[AgingAmerican]

215. Ken Starr?

Is that you?

[freshwest]

228. More from the Starr Chamber of Horrors...

[AtomicKitten]

218. Wow. This thread was a car wreck.

[zappaman]

222. Indeed.

I'm sure the OP will return soon.

[AtomicKitten]

224. no doubt

[MohRokTah]

223. So I gotta know, Who was that LawDeeDah?

What was their previous incarnation?

[QC]

225. Whisp is my bet, based on the style and recurring themes. n/t

[Puglover]

230. Of course it was Whisp.

I had that the first time she posted.

1. "I hate William Pitt.

2. "I hate Hillary."

Geez and I am not even the super duper resident troll buster.

[hrmjustin]

237. LawDeeDah has been PPR'ed

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=317453

[DemocratSinceBirth]

238. Has the OP been ethered?/NT

[rbrnmw]

239. Quick Doc get in the Dolorean and come get me

I am in the year 1995 and need to get back to the year 2015