Paris-area synagogue set ablaze

[Behind the Aegis]

(JTA) — Unidentified individuals started a fire inside a synagogue near Paris and drew a swastika on its wall.

The signs of the fire were found in the main hall of the synagogue in the Garges suburb on Jan. 1, according to the National Bureau for Vigilance against anti-Semitism, or BNVCA. Little damage was reported.

Police were looking into the case, the report said.

In Garges last month, several assailants attacked a young Jewish man at a public park while he was walking his dog. During the Dec. 16 attack, one of the three assailants said they would kill him like Ilan Halimi was killed after being beaten.


Read more: http://www.jta.org/2015/01/06/news-opinion/world/fire-started-in-synagogue-near-paris#ixzz3O7J38bDE


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France is having some real problems in regards to Jews as of recent.

[Warpy]

1. Maybe the same joker who tried to set fire to the local mosque

here in north central NM. All he got for his efforts were a 3 foot high scorch mark and some jail time to think over his career as an intolerant butthead.

[Behind the Aegis]

2. Doubt it, given this took place in Paris, France.

One of many anti-Semitic crimes in the past few weeks.

[Warpy]

3. Yeah, but you know how fast bad news and morons with plane fare can travel these days.

I want this to be the same incompetent idiot. I don't want more than one of them on the planet.

[Behind the Aegis]

4. If he is in jail, not much travel.

Sadly, there are many of them, and Jews have been a very popular target in the past few weeks in France, as well as throughout this past year.

[Fred Sanders]

9. This was on Jan. 1. Do the folks have to rebuild the synagogue set ablaze?

[LuvNewcastle]

5. France has a large Muslim population --

the largest in Europe, I think. The French feel that the Muslims aren't assimilating enough to French culture, and that has caused a lot of friction. I think that some people might blame the Jewish people for this problem; it doesn't make any sense, but it's happened in Europe in the past.

I can't say for sure who would have done this particular deed. There is a big RW faction in France now, so that would explain the swastika. However, other actions seem to point to Muslim actors. One group could be stirring up animosity towards another. Who knows?

The point is that Jewish people in France (and probably other places as well) are probably having to take some extra precautions in their daily lives, and that is sad. I just hope this problem doesn't escalate. The world is a great big powder keg right now, and small actions can have major consequences.

[KingCharlemagne]

28. Can't remember now, but does the Front National cozy up to Nazis? I remember their

being incredibly chauvinistic back in the days of Jean-Marie le Pen but not sure how or whether they've moderated that message in the era of Marine le Pen.

[RKP5637]

32. Yep, the whole world needs to chill out! Like dropping a large rock in a pond, it's

rippling all over the place and is insane on this one little ball of spinning dirt in a huge universe. Someone someplace said, earth has now become the insane asylum of the universe.

[B Calm]

6. Probably friends of House Majority Whip Steve Scalise. .

[Ilsa]

7. I wonder if this was coordinated with the shootings. nt

[Fred Sanders]

8. A fire in a hall is not "synagogue set ablaze". Little damage, per police. And this was on Jan. 1, right?

OP author manipulated the media headline....tsk, tsk.

[mythology]

10. Only for lack of skill at setting a fire

Given that the idiot(s) put a swastika up, I'm assuming that he/she/they were trying to burn the synagogue down, but merely sucked at getting a fire to fully ignite.

[Fred Sanders]

11. The synagogue was not set ablaze. "Synagogue Almost Set Ablaze"?

[KittyWampus]

52. Just as a school gym is part of the school… so a church or synagogue hall

are part of the house of worship even if not directly under same structure.

The hall or gym belong to the ORGANIZATION.

[leftynyc]

12. How lovely of you trying to minimize

someone's holy place being a victim of arson. And trying to minimize it on the same day some jihadis have already killed 12 people and wounded 10 in the very same city. Truly, truly lovely.

[Fred Sanders]

14. My only concern is factual accuracy.

[leftynyc]

16. Sell it to someone

who doesn't know better.

[Fred Sanders]

17. A fire in the main hall of my Ashram with little damage was not "Ashram Set Ablaze" to me.

Everyone knows better.

[leftynyc]

18. Yawn

You looked to deter from the topic of the thread - antisemitism in France - and you did that. Mazel tov. I already knew what you were all about - I hope the others are paying attention.

[Fred Sanders]

19. I corrected the misleading headline made up by the poster and you resent that I did....hamaste.

[leftynyc]

22. Keep kicking the thread

while at the same time proving to everyone that you care nothing about antisemitism as you can't be bothered to mention what the story is about. It's working beautifully. I couldn't have scripted it better.

[Bluenorthwest]

25. That's the headline used by the publisher of the article at the link provided, not 'made up by the

poster. Apparently you did not even bother to check before making that false accusation. You should delete this post and apologize to the OP for your false accusation.
Headline at the link: Paris-area synagogue set ablaze.

Definition of 'ablaze'-
ablaze: in the process of burning : on fire

[Fred Sanders]

30. What is a normal interpretation of "Empire State Building Set Ablaze?"

[Bluenorthwest]

39. Full Definition of ABLAZE : being on fire

That's the meaning of the word. There are many words in English for fires of particular intensity such as 'inferno' but 'ablaze' just means 'on fire'.

[Bluenorthwest]

27. If accuracy is your concern, why are you falsely claiming the OP altered the headline?

Headline at the link provided: Paris-area synagogue set ablaze.
Headline used by OP above: Paris-area synagogue set ablaze.

Accuracy? In what respect, Charlie?

[Fred Sanders]

31. The are BOTH highly misleading, I will correct that, see my post below.

[Bluenorthwest]

34. No they are not misleading. To set ablaze means to set on fire.

Neither phrase requires a certain level of destruction to follow. To set fire to a building is the same thing as to set a building ablaze, no matter if the fire is instantly extinguished or if the fire is left to burn.
Buy an English dictionary. The headline is accurate and the OP did not 'manipulate' it as you accused him of doing without any factual basis whatsoever.
You should be deleting all of those posts and making a clear apology to the OP, whom you lied about repeatedly.

[GGJohn]

53. Yeah, ummmm, no, it's not.

I've read your posts and factual accuracy is the furthest from your concern.

[maced666]

13. You sound really concerned for the anti-semites

Who did this. Why?

[Fred Sanders]

15. You seem unconcerned about factual accuracy, why?

[leftynyc]

20. I love how you

keep kicking up this thread so it remains seen by everyone. Thanks for that, at least.

[Fred Sanders]

23. No problem. Unmasking factual inaccuracy is important.

[leftynyc]

24. Showing how you still can't find

it in your heart to say one word about the antisemtism involved is what's important, cupcake. Keep kicking.

[Bluenorthwest]

26. That is a false allegation, the headline is the same one used at the link provided.

The OP author manipulated nothing, and you need to apologize for that mendacious claim. Had you even opened the link, you would have seen that the headline is the same.

[Fred Sanders]

29. Agreed. The headline at the link's link is the prime culprit. The headline in the link URL is different, and the

link is misleading, exactly as I said. Both of them.

The link to the actual initial link, news release which is in French, I am not sure what that headline reads. So the misleading originates at the link to the link and is repeated in the OP.


http://www.sosantisemitisme.org/communique.asp?ID=1056

Now I do not know what that headline reads, but I do not think it is "Synagogue Set Ablaze"


I stick by that &quot insert any large building) set ablaze", fire in a hall with little damage, is anything but misleading.

EDIT: I know a title Frenchm let me give the translation a stab....

"The National Bureau of Vigilance...has issued an alert...due to a fire set in a hallway and defacement that occurred at a Paris Synagogue....." Something like that.

[Bluenorthwest]

33. But you have repeatedly accused a DUer of altering the headline....which he did not.

And that is very much wrong on your part. This bullshit here does not in any way explain nor excuse your making that false allegation repeatedly in this thread against a DUer.

[Fred Sanders]

36. The OP poster did worse, he repeated a clearly misleading headline without attribution to the

original link that says nothing of the sort stated in the headline.

I have explained that clearly. Call it what you will.

[hrmjustin]

38. Who gives a damn about the title!

The incident is very scary.

[Fred Sanders]

40. The incident is terrorism, it is an abomination, I condemn all violence.

I also condemn misleading headlines, that there is a middleman misleading headline makes it worse, not better and OK.

I would ask the OP author to apologize and delete the post, or at least acknowledge the headline link to the headline link is misleading.

[hrmjustin]

41. .

[leftynyc]

44. Wow - it took you until post #40

to actually condemn this. The OP used the original headline and poor little you didn't like it because you have no idea what the dictionary definition of ablaze it so had to have a hissy fit and pretend you actually give a shit (after 40 posts). I do love that so many people got to see what you're really all about so thanks for that.

Message to the OP - CHANGE NOTHING. YOU DID NOTHING WRONG AT ALL.

[Fred Sanders]

46. Please look up definition of "hissyfit".

[leftynyc]

47. Keep kicking, cupcake

You're doing my work for me. You tried to deflect what this story was about with massive amounts of bullshit because obviously a story on antisemitism doesn't fit whatever worldview you seem to have. I'm happy others are finally catching on so my work is done unless you want to continue to do more for me.

[B2G]

50. Why exactly should the OP 'apologize' for the headline,

let alone delete the post?

What exactly is your agenda on this thread?

[Behind the Aegis]

60. I have no intention of apologizing nor deleting.

The title is as it was in the article and the link goes to where the story is posted. The fact there are hyperlinks to the sources of the story is NOT how one posts a story. I am not the author at that site, and did not create the headline.

Thanks to leftynyc and bluenorthwest for setting you straight.

[Bluenorthwest]

35. Google Translate says that the phrase 'anti Jewish tagging' is in that headline,

'd'un tag antijuif' means 'anti Jewish tagging' not simply 'defacement'. Antijuif. Even I can translate that.

[Fred Sanders]

37. There was defacement by the tagging.

[Bluenorthwest]

42. Anti Jewish messages painted on a temple which was set ablaze by arsonists.

You are the one who wanted to translate the original French because of a concern for accuracy, but you leave out the 'anti Jewish tagging' and replace that with 'defacement' and simply gloss over the 'anti Jewish' part. Accuracy on a selective basis? Who is manipulating the words to suit a narrative?

[Fred Sanders]

43. I posted the link, what am I hiding other than poor translation skills?

Run it through Google translate, I would if I had it.

[Bluenorthwest]

48. You accused the OP of manipulating a headline which he took from the link he was posting, which is

regular practice on DU. He did not manipulate it. You said you wanted 'accuracy' so you offered up a translation that left out the 'anti Jewish' verbiage entirely, the original French did not say 'defacement' it said 'tag' just like in English. It said 'anti Jewish tag'.
Google translate is available on the internet, where both of us currently meet. You have it. You have access to many translation tools. You will not be able to find one that will leave out 'anti Jewish' for you, because those words are right there.
I only point this out because you are so concerned with accuracy. You don't care for one word meaning 'set on fire' and want another word for 'set on fire', but you also leave out the 'anti Jewish' part, which is far from accurate. So since you are concerned with accuracy let's be clear that this story, in English or in French is about a Synagogue tagged with anti Jewish slogans and set on fire by arsonists in an apparent hate crime.
You spend a good deal of time opposing the First Amendment and calling for 'hate speech' laws in the US, but here we have a very clear hate crime, against the law here and there, and you seek to mitigate or minimize the story. This suggests that your quest for 'hate speech laws' in the US is not really about an opposition to hate toward all minorities, because the crime here does not seem to bother you nearly as much as the choice of verbiage for the arson. This is a hate crime, and you are here playing spin about it, while on other days you scream that the US needs to restrict negative speech about minorities. Here, your concern is that the attack is being over sold. Not that the attack occurred.
It's really quite a display.

[leftynyc]

45. Great job, Bluenorthwest

You "tagged" the poster's unending hypocrisy perfectly.

[Bluenorthwest]

49. The OP is an honorable and long time DUer being very wrongly accused of dishonesty

I had to say something. Ablaze means 'on fire'. It does not mean 'consumed with fire' nor 'burned to the ground'. On DU, some are said to run around 'hair ablaze' or 'hair on fire''. Interchangeably.
Here is Fred Sanders using 'hair ablaze':
"Watching the right wing hair ablaze yet again warms my heart."
http://upload.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=967829

Here is Fred Sanders using 'hair on fire' :
" We are not talking logic here anymore, all the hair on fire has consumed all logic."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5183674

I post this purely out of a concern for accuracy, of course.

[leftynyc]

51. LOL

I'm also a big fan of the OP. Great digging on your part - FS hypocrisy obviously knows no bounds whatsoever. It took 40 posts before he even condemned this obvious hate crime.

[Bluenorthwest]

54. It took no digging. I set out to fine examples of DUers using 'hair ablaze' and Fred's post

was at the top of the list. So I thought, I wonder if Fred himself uses 'hair on fire' synonymously with 'hair ablaze' and he came up at the top of that search as well. Those were the only two I looked at, the tops of the search requests. Serendipity.

[leftynyc]

55. Awesome

Will he show some grace and admit he's a hypocrite who was merely trying to downplay this hate crime using a juvenile argument about accuracy in reporting (when the OP did everything right)? I doubt it.

[GGJohn]

56. I seriously doubt it.

When Fred is confronted with actual facts or factual information, his tendency is to run away from the thread.

[leftynyc]

58. Wow

You'd think an adult would be embarrassed at being so cowardly.

[GGJohn]

59. That's assuming he is an adult. eom

[Bluenorthwest]

57. At best he'll self delete, which would be wise but he probably won't.

nt

[Behind the Aegis]

62. You did a great job too!

Thanks!

[leftynyc]

63. My pleasure

Wishing you a wonderful New Year, my friend.

[Behind the Aegis]

61. Thank you very much for your contributions to this thread and truth!

It is greatly appreciated.

[Bluenorthwest]

64. That poster was openly lying about you and the post.

That poster is mendacious and craven.

[hrmjustin]

21. So horrible! My prayers for the congregation.

[tenderfoot]

65. Wingnuts are out of control trying to fan the flames of fanaticism!

Sorry. These incidents play into the hands of right wingers and I'm going to come right out and state that these acts were carried out by right wingers that want a war between races and religions.

Thank you for listening.

[NaturalHigh]

66. The last I read, anti-Semitic incidents were up all over Europe.

Hatred spreads.

[JustAnotherGen]

67. I rec'd this thread this morning - kicking it now

Heart breaking few days for "others" around the world.

[sheshe2]

68. Sadly I am not surprised to see someone try to derail your thread from the topic.

So sorry to hear of the ugly violence at the synagogue and to the young man that was attacked, BtA. Enough!