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Maraya1969

(22,441 posts)
Sun Oct 26, 2014, 09:57 PM Oct 2014

How can this be true? Texas made up 43% of total gain in jobs in the country?

I lost my nerness over the years and I can barely figure out a simple math equation. But it just doesn't seem right what this right wing rag says about Rick Perry and jobs. Here is the snap shot and the link is at the bottom. Please someone tell me what is going on?
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Rick Perry and the state of Texas has had a major impact on Obama’s net gains in job growth to the tune of 43% according to JP Updates, and the funny thing is Texas only accounts for less than 10% of the total US population:

From the start of February 2009 (Obama’s first full month in office) through the end of May 2013 (the last month there is available Federal data for jobs per state) the United States had a net gain of 2,076,000 jobs. In the same time, Texas had a net gain of 882,582 jobs. In other words, 43% of the net job gains since Obama’s first full month in office are from Texas. This is a major success for Perry considering that his State has less than 7% of the overall U.S. population.

Those jobs numbers are from the Federal Bureau of Labor Statistics so there is no room for the Left to argue that the Texas numbers are no good. And the breakdown is as follows:

11,082,548 were employed in Texas at the start of February 2009. The number rose to 11,965,130 at the end of May 2013; a net gain of 882,582 jobs. Nationwide, 133,631,000 (133.63 million) were employed at the start of February 2009, and the number rose to 135.7 million at the end of May; a growth of 2.076 million jobs.



Read more: http://therightscoop.com/rick-perry-texas-responsible-for-almost-50-of-obamas-net-job-growth-since-2009/#ixzz3HJ31lSEe

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How can this be true? Texas made up 43% of total gain in jobs in the country? (Original Post) Maraya1969 Oct 2014 OP
How many of those were jobs transferred from other states? TreasonousBastard Oct 2014 #1
Important point. NT Adrahil Oct 2014 #24
Not surprising actually yeoman6987 Oct 2014 #2
Houston is booming from the petro and fracking industries along with others. adirondacker Oct 2014 #3
Right now it's just an editorial on a site I never heard of arcane1 Oct 2014 #4
Heck, they don't link to the Texas numbers, just the national ones. arcane1 Oct 2014 #8
What happens if you use the number plus the number of jobs lost from the recession Obama was given? Maraya1969 Oct 2014 #12
Some of it is poaching jobs from other states mythology Oct 2014 #5
It's the fracking. Small towns are feeling the effects of it. Avalux Oct 2014 #6
actually that is likely correct dsc Oct 2014 #7
Here is something from FactCheck. And also if you include the jobs lost in 2009 because of bush you Maraya1969 Oct 2014 #14
Perry has done a great job handling underemployment Bad Thoughts Oct 2014 #9
"net job creation" numbers are slippery. rogerashton Oct 2014 #10
Texas has a large population Roselma Oct 2014 #11
I'm too tired to do any math, but here's a link to Politifact LeftInTX Oct 2014 #13
Oil field jobs are going crazy Gman Oct 2014 #15
Population growth Recursion Oct 2014 #16
It's a few things Prophet 451 Oct 2014 #17
misleading statistics Cicada Oct 2014 #18
Exactly. Some states gained jobs, some lost jobs. eppur_se_muova Oct 2014 #21
I had to return this book to the library, but I strongly recommend it renate Oct 2014 #19
Most of them were blow jobs for the Koch brothers Mister Nightowl Oct 2014 #20
Has nothing to do with Perry. Fracking and oil boom. Rex Oct 2014 #22
Received this email from "Progress Texas" TexasProgresive Oct 2014 #23
 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
2. Not surprising actually
Sun Oct 26, 2014, 10:02 PM
Oct 2014

Rick Perry has been going all over the country to especially blue state inviting companies to Texas. I guess some went.

adirondacker

(2,921 posts)
3. Houston is booming from the petro and fracking industries along with others.
Sun Oct 26, 2014, 10:04 PM
Oct 2014

There are pockets of the country that are doing ok. TX and Boulder, CO seem to be a couple of hotspots.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
4. Right now it's just an editorial on a site I never heard of
Sun Oct 26, 2014, 10:08 PM
Oct 2014
http://jpupdates.com/2013/07/08/43-net-job-growth-under-obama-is-in-rick-perrys-texas/


I'm trying to follow their instructions to get to the actual government figures. Who knows, it might just be a "fun with statistics" game.

Here is what that link is asking us to do. I'm going to try it:

A direct link to the nationwide data does not work so here are directions how to get there:

1) http://www.bls.gov/ces/

2) Scroll down to CES Databases and click on the yellow multi screen option.

3) click on seasonally adjusted and then Next

4) click on total nonfarm and then Next

5) click on All Employees, Thousands and then next

6) click on Total nonfarm and then Next

7) click on the data available there and next

8) you have arrived. The numbers in that chart are total nonfarm employees the United States had each month. The monthly “jobs reports” that we hear about every four weeks, changes the numbers in the chart.
 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
8. Heck, they don't link to the Texas numbers, just the national ones.
Sun Oct 26, 2014, 10:12 PM
Oct 2014

Thus, I'll need something more than JPUpdates.com's word for it.

Maraya1969

(22,441 posts)
12. What happens if you use the number plus the number of jobs lost from the recession Obama was given?
Sun Oct 26, 2014, 10:32 PM
Oct 2014

The economy as of June had gained just over 4.8 million jobs since Obama took office in January 2009. The unemployment rate has declined to 6.1 percent, which is 1.7 points lower than when he took office and 3.9 points lower than it was at its worst point during October 2009.

The economy has not only regained the 4.3 million jobs lost during Obama’s first 13 months in office, but also has regained the 4.4 million jobs lost during the 12 months before he entered the White House. Total employment now is at a record high — 415,000 jobs higher than the peak number reached before the great recession of 2007-2009.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
5. Some of it is poaching jobs from other states
Sun Oct 26, 2014, 10:09 PM
Oct 2014

but also a significant chunk of those jobs are low wage, low skill jobs. Other states have had better luck at growing jobs with liveable wages.

Avalux

(35,015 posts)
6. It's the fracking. Small towns are feeling the effects of it.
Sun Oct 26, 2014, 10:09 PM
Oct 2014

The companies move in, set up temporary housing for all the workers, and quite literally, overwhelm the closest small town. They don't have the resources to accommodate all the people so there's enormous growth. It might seem great now, but what happens when fracking ends?

dsc

(52,130 posts)
7. actually that is likely correct
Sun Oct 26, 2014, 10:09 PM
Oct 2014

Texas didn't have the collapse that much of the rest of the country had so they didn't have the massive job losses. If you were to count from when the recovery for the nation started, instead of after we had already lost well over 2 million jobs, then the numbers would be quite different. I also have to say we have gained a massive number of jobs in the year and a half that is being left out.

Maraya1969

(22,441 posts)
14. Here is something from FactCheck. And also if you include the jobs lost in 2009 because of bush you
Sun Oct 26, 2014, 11:00 PM
Oct 2014

end up with 8.7 million job gain.

"The economy has not only regained the 4.3 million jobs lost during Obama’s first 13 months in office, but also has regained the 4.4 million jobs lost during the 12 months before he entered the White House. Total employment now is at a record high — 415,000 jobs higher than the peak number reached before the great recession of 2007-2009."

Now how does that number compare to Texas's gain of 882,582

I got 10.14%

If I am wrong please tell me and why.

http://members.jacksonville.com/news/2014-07-25/story/obama-record-how-has-he-really-done



http://www.factcheck.org/2011/08/texas-size-recovery/
Summary

Presidential candidate and Texas Gov. Rick Perry has boasted of significant job growth in his state in the past few years. And for good reason: It’s true. While Texas clearly hasn’t avoided the recession, the state has done well in terms of increasing jobs, when compared with the recovery nationally.
Perry’s claim that “40 percent … of all the jobs in America were created in Texas” since June 2009 is accurate. But it’s also true that the increase in jobs hasn’t kept pace with the rise in the state’s population — so the number of jobless Texans also has risen, along with the state’s unemployment rate. And Texas is tied with Mississippi for the highest percentage of hourly workers paid at or below the minimum wage.
Texas job statistics are a mixed bag. Perry’s supporters and Perry’s detractors select the statistics that suit their spin. Here we’ll just lay out a balanced look at the facts — good and bad alike — and leave the spin to others.

rogerashton

(3,918 posts)
10. "net job creation" numbers are slippery.
Sun Oct 26, 2014, 10:19 PM
Oct 2014

Here is a research paper from a right-wing thinktank that explains -- correctly -- why net job creation numbers should not be taken seriously.

http://www.aei.org/files/2005/12/08/20051208_WP123.pdf

Roselma

(540 posts)
11. Texas has a large population
Sun Oct 26, 2014, 10:24 PM
Oct 2014

and will likely always have many more jobs due to that fact alone. Fact remains, however, that Texas does have a higher unemployment rate than many states. This month's unemployment rates:

http://www.eonline.com/news/591939/marcia-strassman-dead-at-66-actress-starred-in-welcome-back-kotter-and-honey-i-shrunk-the-kids

LeftInTX

(24,560 posts)
13. I'm too tired to do any math, but here's a link to Politifact
Sun Oct 26, 2014, 10:53 PM
Oct 2014
http://www.politifact.com/texas/statements/2013/may/09/rick-perry/rick-perry-says-texas-accounted-33-percent-nations/

They go by Perry's quote of 10 years, 33 percent

South Texas has a crazy fracking boom. It's in a low populated area and it isn't opposed by many people.

Gman

(24,780 posts)
15. Oil field jobs are going crazy
Sun Oct 26, 2014, 11:03 PM
Oct 2014

And Perry had nothing to do with that. someone with a high school education and a CDL can drive a truck in the oil field and make $60/year minimum. If someone's within driving distance of the oil field or wants to stay in the countless RV parks or cottages that have sprung up they can make good money. Yeah it's oil, yeah it's fracking, yeah it's bad for the environment but you also eat and pay for the roof over your head too.

Prophet 451

(9,796 posts)
17. It's a few things
Sun Oct 26, 2014, 11:53 PM
Oct 2014

Firstly, Texas is a state with no minimum wage (just the federal one), minimal business regulations and a virtually non-existent safety net. The first and third make people desperate and teh second makes it attractive for business to move to Texas as Perry has been wooing them to do.

Additionally, most of the jobs created are minimum wage and/or part-time. And the state population is rapidly growing.

Cicada

(4,533 posts)
18. misleading statistics
Mon Oct 27, 2014, 12:09 AM
Oct 2014

If 25 states each gained one million jobs, one state broke even, and 24 states each lost one million jobs, the net gain would be one million jobs. Each of the 25 states with gais would have 100 percent of the nations job gains. That is how Texas is said to have 43% of the nations job gains.

The job losses stopped in Feb 2010. Since then CA has created 1.5 million new private sector jobs and Texas has created 1.4 million.

eppur_se_muova

(36,227 posts)
21. Exactly. Some states gained jobs, some lost jobs.
Mon Oct 27, 2014, 12:30 AM
Oct 2014

The national total of gained minus lost is a pretty small number, so any state with positive job growth can claim a large "percentage". Adding up the % growth for the states with the most should get you well above 100%, easily 200%.

renate

(13,776 posts)
19. I had to return this book to the library, but I strongly recommend it
Mon Oct 27, 2014, 12:14 AM
Oct 2014

"How Not to Be Wrong," by Jordan Ellenberg.

It's really interesting and really fun to read, and it answered a question much like yours, although (I guess I'm a pretty bad advertisement for the book) I can't remember the details.

But wait! I found a link:
http://www.slate.com/blogs/how_not_to_be_wrong/2014/06/05/how_not_to_be_wrong_how_to_lie_with_negative_numbers.html
It's more about percentages, whereas your post involves absolute numbers as well as percentages. But I'll still take this opportunity to recommend that book, especially for those of us who like to use facts rather than Fox-type handwaving when we talk about things.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
22. Has nothing to do with Perry. Fracking and oil boom.
Mon Oct 27, 2014, 01:04 AM
Oct 2014

The oil companies are ripping Texas apart.

TexasProgresive

(12,148 posts)
23. Received this email from "Progress Texas"
Mon Oct 27, 2014, 06:33 AM
Oct 2014

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it's clear the so-called miracle only extends to GOP insiders, not Texans like you and me.


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