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n2doc

(47,953 posts)
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 05:57 PM Aug 2014

No more pause: Warming will be non-stop from now on

by Michael Slezak

Enjoy the pause in global warming while it lasts, because it's probably the last one we will get this century. Once temperatures start rising again, it looks like they will keep going up without a break for the rest of the century, unless we cut our greenhouse gas emissions.

The slowdown in global warming since 1997 seems to be driven by unusually powerful winds over the Pacific Ocean, which are burying heat in the water. But even if that happens again, or a volcanic eruption spews cooling particles into the air, we are unlikely to see a similar hiatus, according to two independent studies.

Masahiro Watanabe of the University of Tokyo in Japan and his colleagues have found that, over the past three decades, the natural ups and downs in temperature have had less influence on the planet's overall warmth. In the 1980s, natural variability accounted for almost half of the temperature changes seen. That fell to 38 per cent in the 1990s and just 27 per cent in the 2000s.

Instead, human-induced warming is accounting for more and more of the changes from year to year, says Watanabe. With ever-faster warming, small natural variations have less impact and are unlikely to override the human-induced warming.

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http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn26122-no-more-pause-warming-will-be-nonstop-from-now-on.html

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No more pause: Warming will be non-stop from now on (Original Post) n2doc Aug 2014 OP
Interesting article, but it does seem a tad far-fetched AverageJoe90 Aug 2014 #1
Don't confuse atmospheric temperature variations with long term climate. immoderate Aug 2014 #4
To be truthful, I think you misunderstood my point. AverageJoe90 Aug 2014 #8
Or we can wait and see... immoderate Aug 2014 #14
Free money! XemaSab Sep 2014 #16
Not fooling me Joe Notafraidtoo Sep 2014 #17
Neither. AverageJoe90 Sep 2014 #18
What pause? No pause here in California. Cleita Aug 2014 #2
That's what I'm wondering. rickyhall Aug 2014 #3
It was unusually cool here in D/FW for a while, though. Maybe you live elsewhere in the state? AverageJoe90 Aug 2014 #9
Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2014 #15
Globally. The global mean surface temperature. cheapdate Aug 2014 #7
Upstate NY was an Bohunk68 Sep 2014 #20
Careful wording freedom fighter jh Aug 2014 #11
That's true, no doubt. Everything we have points in that direction. nt AverageJoe90 Sep 2014 #19
We're just drying up and blowing away here, aren't we? nomorenomore08 Aug 2014 #12
Exactly and now with the watering restrictions not only the plants Cleita Aug 2014 #13
kick, kick, kick..... daleanime Aug 2014 #5
Just as a point of reference for my specific area Bohunk68 Aug 2014 #6
We've been getting warmer and drier here in Texas, too. AverageJoe90 Aug 2014 #10
 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
1. Interesting article, but it does seem a tad far-fetched
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 06:10 PM
Aug 2014

Emissions may keep rising for a while, but they seem to suggest that hiatuses will likely suddenly stop existing at all(or at least become much shorter) if we hit a certain threshold by 2030. Here's the problem: this seems to assume a rather linear warming scenario.....which hasn't exactly panned out in real life, as we've all seen, for those of us who've actually looked at the data.

So I think it's safe to say that the jury's still out on this for now.

 

immoderate

(20,885 posts)
4. Don't confuse atmospheric temperature variations with long term climate.
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 07:34 PM
Aug 2014

The article says that AGW will increase enough to supersede natural variations. The "hiatus" took advantage of the fact that 1998 was an unusually hot year in the atmosphere. Beware of all climate studies that begin with 1998.

Jury went home already.

--imm

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
8. To be truthful, I think you misunderstood my point.
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 08:21 PM
Aug 2014

Yes, I do realize that natural variations will be superseded at some point; just so we're clear, I wasn't arguing against that at all.

But, TBH, this is the first time I've ever heard it claimed that hiatuses will just suddenly become much smaller or stop altogether once we hit a certain threshold. I suppose it may be theoretically possible, but it's also clear that much more research is needed to support this particular hypothesis.

Notafraidtoo

(402 posts)
17. Not fooling me Joe
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 01:05 AM
Sep 2014

Right wing think tank employee? or Free republic troll hobbyist? Everyone of your post are like this, amazing you haven't been banned.

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
18. Neither.
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 01:12 AM
Sep 2014

Frankly, I'm sorry if I don't toe the line that perhaps you'd like me to toe. I do believe climate change is a problem we need to tackle, but I don't have my hair all on fire at the same time. I'm also willing to think critically as well; not every single piece of research is going to necessarily be 100% accurate. Even the IPCC has had to revise things sometimes.

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
9. It was unusually cool here in D/FW for a while, though. Maybe you live elsewhere in the state?
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 08:24 PM
Aug 2014

Just thought I'd point that out. Not often we dip down in the 70s for daily highs, in late July of all times of the year. But I guess it does give a little credence to the idea of "global weirding".

Response to rickyhall (Reply #3)

cheapdate

(3,811 posts)
7. Globally. The global mean surface temperature.
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 08:13 PM
Aug 2014

The increase in the global mean surface temperature over the past few years has been at the low end of the range predicted by climate models. North America had a mild winter last year. Europe was brutally cold.

Bohunk68

(1,364 posts)
20. Upstate NY was an
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 07:04 AM
Sep 2014

average winter until March and then March was one of the coldest in my 33 years of keeping records here. That Polar Vortex thing and it is fully operative this summer. Not one day over 90 this August. Didn't use the A/C once. That only indicates a short term thing, IMHO.

freedom fighter jh

(1,782 posts)
11. Careful wording
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 08:45 PM
Aug 2014

It's explained a couple of graphs in: *slowdown* in warming. So even with the "pause," temperatures are still getting warmer overall. Maybe just not as fast as they did at some point.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
13. Exactly and now with the watering restrictions not only the plants
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 08:56 PM
Aug 2014

are suffering but the bugs and other critters that depend on our watering to grab drops of water.

Bohunk68

(1,364 posts)
6. Just as a point of reference for my specific area
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 08:12 PM
Aug 2014

in Upstate NY about 45 minutes west of Albany. I have been keeping my own records since Nov.1980. For the past three years I have been posting my monthly results on my fb page. August stats were: Temp - 65.39F Overall avg for August is 68.82F. This is my third coldest August and there were no days over 90F. Precip was 3.5" YTD 32.8" Long term avg is 4.22" for the month and YTD 34.69". 2012 and 2013 were below avg. precip and this year is following suit. For the last 10 years I have recorded below avg. snowfall. We had been on a wetter trend, but after Hurricanes Irene and Lee, it is going the opposite direction. Overall, the average temp has gone up 1.6F per day since 1980. So, where we may be going is still to be shown, although hotter and drier may be an answer. We shall see, because weather is not simple, it is far more complex when taking world-wide data into account. Sometimes, I really wish I had maybe a 100,000 years worth to compare.

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
10. We've been getting warmer and drier here in Texas, too.
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 08:29 PM
Aug 2014

But there's definitely been some weirding as well; this July was one of the mildest, overall, that I can remember, here in D/FW. Sure as heck beats what we had to put up with in 2011, IMO.

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