Just saw Schindler's List - No way was the situation as bad for Jews in Europe as the film depicts.

[tenderfoot]

I had a Jewish history teacher once He told me that families, especially the SS - would adopt Jewish orphans and raise them as their own children!

Yes, this is a meta-ish post but oh well.

[Archae]

1. I know it's Sunday, but are really that bored?

[elleng]

77. Full moon.

Its the lunacy.

[bravenak]

2. No shit!

I heard from swim that Jim Crow was just a festival where black people were given beautiful necklaces. Who knew?

[Ed Suspicious]

18. I heard it was a Saturday morning cartoon

character. He was a kindly old crow who dispensed advice to viewers on practical ways to achieve racial harmony.

Jim Crow loves black people! He has a friend who's black!

[bravenak]

19. Good ol' Uncle Jim Crow!

He just wanted people to know their place in the world. And stay there.

[Ed Suspicious]

23. Oh, you've seen it? Great show with great advice.

[bravenak]

31. It was on for about 80 years.

Longest running show in the south. Except the first show. Family Times with Massa. Another gem of a production.

[Ed Suspicious]

44. I bet you would be a good person to have a drink with, Bravenak,

You make me laugh often with your dry snarky wit. Real LOLs.

[bravenak]

47. You drink I smoke!

Fun times for all! Thank you, though, I blame coljam for all of this right here.

[Ed Suspicious]

49. I'll skip the drink and share the smoke . :)

Take care.

[bravenak]

54. Right on!

[Jackpine Radical]

107. My thought exactly.

[arcane1]

55. Have either of you seen the fake documentary "C.S.A.: The Confederate States of America"?

It applies what is perhaps the driest wit I've ever seen to this very topic. I highly recommend it:


"Through the eyes of a British "documentary", this film takes a satirically humorous, and sometimes frightening, look at the history of an America where the South won the Civil War."
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0389828/


Watch through the end credits too!

[Ed Suspicious]

59. I saw it in my recommendations on either

Amazon or Netflix but I haven't gotten around to watching it. Sounds like I should.

[arcane1]

65. You'll love it! Hell, after all this nonsense, I might have to watch it again today.

[freshwest]

21. Or Jim Beam's son? :( Yeah, some are born stupid, others achieve teh stupid.

Fortunately, it's covered by Obamacare...

[bravenak]

24. We have an epidemic.

We're going to need more books to cure this illness.

[Cali_Democrat]

3. Well done

For context:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5363454

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

11. Thanks for the context.

I had missed that particular display of Confederacy propaganda, and was thinking this was just another in the IP series of diaries at first.

[betsuni]

29. Fiddle dee dee

Clicked on that link ... nope nope nope nope.

[freshwest]

67. Yes, I just *had* to reply on that, thanks for the link:

Last edited Sun Aug 10, 2014, 06:36 PM - Edit history (1)

Narrative of the Life of Frederick Douglass, an American Slave was written in 1845 shortly after he escaped from his generous master:

I have said my master found religious sanction for his cruelty. As an example, I will state one of many facts going to prove the charge. I have seen him tie up a lame young woman, and whip her with a heavy cow skin upon her naked shoulders, causing the warm red blood to drip; and, in justification of the bloody deed, he would quote this passage of Scripture--"He that knoweth his master's will, and doeth it not, shall be beaten with many stripes."

Master would keep this lacerated young, woman tied up in this horrid situation four or five hours at a time. I have known him to tie her up early in the morning, and whip her before breakfast; leave her, go to his store, return at dinner, and whip her again, cutting her in the places already made raw with his cruel lash.

The secret of master's cruelty toward "Henny" is found in the fact of her being almost helpless. When quite a child, she fell into the fire, and burned herself horribly. Her hands were so burnt, that she never got the use of them. She could do very little but bear heavy burdens. She was to master a bill of expense; and as he was a mean man, she was a constant offence to him.

He seemed desirous of getting the poor girl out of existence. He gave her away once to his sister; but, being a poor gift, she was not disposed to keep her. Finally, my benevolent master, to use his own words, "set her adrift to take care of herself."

Here was a recently-converted man, holding on upon the mother, and at the same time turning out her helpless child, to starve and die! Master Thomas was one of the many pious slaveholders who hold slaves for the very charitable purpose of taking care of them.

Living at the whim or beck and call of another can never be a good thing. The slaves brought here were neither refugees or volunteers. The image above of an older Douglass still shows what his eyes have seen. There is no excuse for slavery, it is the worst form of theft.

[awoke_in_2003]

89. That one isn't long for here. nt

[BainsBane]

4. Have you actually seen Holocaust deniers here?

[tenderfoot]

9. No. Slavery in the South deniers

for context: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025363454

[BainsBane]

10. I saw, thanks

Did anyone try alerting?

[tenderfoot]

12. Yes. The jury let it fly.

[BainsBane]

16. They can always set up a new DU group

The Citizens Sovereignty Commission.

[freshwest]

99. i thought the other president from Illinois defeated that group...

[DURHAM D]

13. Yes. It is in the thread post #21.

It was allowed to stay by a vote of 5 - 2.

[Call Me Wesley]

70. Well, I got a hide.

Worse things could happen. Like, defending slavery on a jury or so ...

[cyberswede]

75. Lame hide, imo. nt

[Call Me Wesley]

83. My fault.

I shouldn't have add 'idiots.'

[cyberswede]

85. Trolls try to get reasonable people to react - that's their m.o.

[etherealtruth]

88. Wear that hide as a badge of honor!

Seriously!

[cui bono]

27. Oh... so this is a copycat thread... makes more sense then.

Wow. Can't believe that OP.

Sheesh.

[tenderfoot]

33. I should have included the link in the OP...

for context.

[JI7]

73. there have been but usually they are banned even if jury lets it stay

[zappaman]

5. well played

[TeamPooka]

6. I'm going to trash this thread in a meta way.

[2naSalit]

7. Who knew?

...and WHEN did they know it?

[arcane1]

8. Yep, that's exactly how stupid the slavery-was-OK crowd sounds

Of course, I also question their sincerity in the first place

[Scuba]

14. Nicely done.

[Squinch]

15. And I heard that the Trail of Tears was really just a scenic hike.

Can't believe that bullshit got a pass here. We can't even agree that we won't tolerate people saying slavery was OK? That's feckin' tragic.

[katmondoo]

17. It was worse

[malaise]

20. I see what you did there

Brilliant

Rec

[Rex]

22. Yeah thanks for that, I was born at night but gee...just not

last night.

Bluejay, "slaves were treated just like white family so that made them happy picking cotton for master all day in the blistering sun."

[cui bono]

25. nm. Have now seen the link upthread to the OP that this one is "mocking". n/t

[bravenak]

26. Did you miss the spark that set it off?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025363454

[tenderfoot]

30. I'm going to guess yes.

Perhaps I should have posted the link in the OP.

[bravenak]

34. Better this way i think.

More interesting.

[cui bono]

38. LOL. Oh well, I edited it. Should I edit it back?

[tenderfoot]

40. I edited mine for even more context...

that one is a piece of work!

[bravenak]

42. Naw.

It just shows how crazy that post was. It makes this one make sense immediately.

[cui bono]

32. Yes, I did! I just saw the link upthread.

Unfuckingbelievable. What the fuck is wrong with people??? That sounds like Bundy. Was just responding over there now. That has got to be a troll, no one who would post here could actually believe that.

[bravenak]

39. It's been happening alot lately.

I asked if Bundy taught at their school. Somebody should have kept that thought secret.

[pinboy3niner]

43. I think he heard it from "Miss Gwen" at the Stormfront Revisionist Hotline. nt

[BainsBane]

53. aka John C Calhoun

[bravenak]

56. Oh, my!

Too bad we won't see our friend for a bit.

[pinboy3niner]

57. I'm heartbroken. I'll really miss having him around...

[bravenak]

58. Ha!

He'll be back! Maybe today even, don't fret. They always come back.

[tenderfoot]

28. He goes there here....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5364521

[cui bono]

35. yeah, just saw that link upthread. Will edit. n/t

[el_bryanto]

36. I just saw "How to be a Jackass" No way would people actually be that big of a jackass! nt

[BainsBane]

37. It's an act

He may believe it, but he's playing people. (Referring to the other thread, not this OP).

[Rex]

45. Anyone that get on here and posts RWing drivel is asking for it imo.

Intentionally or unintentionally.

OTOH, it is good seeing people that I agree with and disagree with call it out. It's not even creative speculation...it is racist bullshit revisionist history at it's worst.

[BainsBane]

48. It's exactly what 19th century slaveholders said

to justify slavery. It's slavery apology. Racism, certainly, but 19th century racism.

[Rex]

51. Looks like the OP is now in 'timeout'

5 hides, about 200 posts...trolling absurd 19th century racist dogma...just don't pass the smell test imo.

[Mira]

41. You are cracking me up.

The poster you are modeling yourself after will hopefully see it and start to think a little.
I like that you did this. Recommended.

[BainsBane]

46. Someone's on vacation

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=215393&sub=trans

[tenderfoot]

50. Hopefully a permanent one!

[pinboy3niner]

52. Bazinga!

It's a start...

[abelenkpe]

63. Thank goodness nt

[freshwest]

100. Good lord that subthread at the top of the page was sickening. As well as his OP and his reply to it

Hope the Admins will do the right thing and consider this matter closed...

[Raine1967]

60. Just alert on the post in question.

I know what you are doing, but seriously, I would suggest not doing this.

THAT post is nasty and the conversation is as well. That particular OP, IMO, should have been hidden.

[abelenkpe]

61. It was alerted on

Jury let it stay.

[bravenak]

64. I should alert on this.

[bravenak]

68. This is very sad.

Ok. I'll do it if you want me to. Read this first. Then get back to me if you still want me to alert.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025363454

[Hekate]

93. Bravenak -- that link just made me nauseous. WTF is going on at DU?

[bravenak]

118. DU lost it's mind.

That's all I can say. At least nobody approves.

[bravenak]

69. You should edit you post.

Calling us a bunch of Pussies is wrong and completely inappropriate. Like Michael Douglass in Falling Down.

[cyberswede]

78. You should read the thread before you jerk your knee.

Telling someone to gas himself is woefully OTT.

[alp227]

71. Good news - the disruptor is now flagged for review.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=215393

[mnhtnbb]

72. I'd like to have a serious discussion about

how people can survive for 6 years--if a troll-- on DU when a self identified
old hippie from Chicago and a Zionist Jew posts a thread about
12 Years a Slave.

What really went on there?

A troll?

Someone seriously questioning how this country revises history to the point
that Gone With the Wind is considered real and 12 Years a Slave is considered fiction?

Denial is so internalized that even objective posts about how to educate yourself
can't be acknowledged?

I guess I'm just naive and we really did have a troll who'd been here for 6 years.

[arcane1]

74. It looks like the majority of their posts are recent.

So they've been quiet for most of those years.

I also don't believe their story about the college class, but that's for another thread

[pinboy3niner]

80. I think it was a collage class

But by the time they got to the 'slavery' project the only materials they had left were rainbows and unicorns and kittehs and puppies.

[riqster]

91. Perhaps decoupage? One can put a bright shine on the collage that way.

Rather like turd-polishing.

[mnhtnbb]

95. So, lurking and all of a sudden posting?

That college professor happened to live quite near here (Chapel Hill) at one
time. Hard to believe. So, could it be a name plucked from the internet?

[Gormy Cuss]

109. Sometimes it's a backup account.

When the main accounted is PPR'ed, the sock is ready to go. Because it's an old sign up, people aren't that suspicious and the poster can rack up enough posted to be beyond the MIRTable level before showing trollish or other anti-TOS ways.

Now I'm not accusing THIS poster of that, just stating a pattern that has been observed many, many times here.

[elleng]

76. Not amusing.

[cyberswede]

81. I don't think it's supposed to be amusing.

But the point is made, isn't it?

[elleng]

82. The 'point' is stupid.

[cyberswede]

84. How so?

The post that this OP is a response to is an abominable justification of a horrendous period in our history. Using satire to demonstrate the absurdity of others is a time-honored tradition. How is it stupid?

[elleng]

86. NOTHING abominable about 'I was wondering how much was fact and how much was fiction?'

The abomination is the way so many DUers chose to respond to the query, refusing to discuss the matter, but insisting instead on ad hominem attacks against the poster.

[cyberswede]

90. This is abominable:

for the most part the slaves were not mistreated many were treated as family members

for the most part I believe that most whites treated their slaves as part of the family.

In no way, shape, or form is owning salves treating them as part of the family.

[elleng]

92. Yes, its bad that someone thinks this may have been factual.

So DU SHOULD take the time to INFORM the poster, NOT to spend the day 'beating' him/her. That is NOT how anyone should be taught.

[cyberswede]

94. In my view, the OP was posted to troll DU.

The poster demonstrated no interest in being "informed" - as evinced by his doubling down throughout the thread.

It's nice that you're giving him the benefit of the doubt, but I think he's playing us.

[mnhtnbb]

97. I have come around to agreeing with you.

But it gives one pause that he's been on DU for 6 years and not been
'outed' as a troll prior to today.

[etherealtruth]

112. That poster also believes that the German population was unaware of the Nazi atrocities

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5364521

To make sure

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2001/feb/17/johnezard

The mass of ordinary Germans did know about the evolving terror of Hitler's Holocaust, according to a new research study. They knew concentration camps were full of Jewish people who were stigmatised as sub-human and race-defilers. They knew that these, like other groups and minorities, were being killed out of hand.

They knew that Adolf Hitler had repeatedly forecast the extermination of every Jew on German soil. They knew these details because they had read about them. They knew because the camps and the measures which led up to them had been prominently and proudly reported step by step in thousands of officially-inspired German media articles and posters according to the study, which is due to be published simultaneously in Britain and the US early next month and which was described as ground-breaking by Oxford University Press yesterday and already hailed by other historians.

The reports, in newspapers and magazines all over the country were phases in a public process of "desensitisation" which worked all too well, culminating in the killing of 6m Jews, says Robert Gellately. His book, Backing Hitler, is based on the first systematic analysis by a historian of surviving German newspaper and magazine archives since 1933, the year Hitler became chancellor. The survey took hundreds of hours and yielded dozens of folders of photocopies, many of them from the 24 main newspapers and magazines of the period.

[elleng]

113. Which is WHY we should spend some time and effort informing those with whom we disagree.

'The mass of ordinary Germans did know about the evolving terror of Hitler's Holocaust, ACCORDING TO A NEW RESEARCH STUDY.'
(emphasis mine.)

[etherealtruth]

114. The "new research" came out some time in 2011

Past research indicated this was true ... despite the denials of German residents of the time. This project gathered and categorized all media of that time to dispel any doubts that the citizenry was aware.

A friend's grandfather died a couple of weeks ago (lived well into his 90s) ... there is no doubt in the survivor community that the German populace was aware

I would agree if the poster held one very uninformed position .... but to have a thread hidden r/t to his/her claim that slaves were well treated and then repost the exact same sentiments without looking into it further .... To stand by their extremely uninformed ( and to stand by a very racist and uninformed opinion) .... to further or try to advance more "uninformed"/ ignorant opinions by denying the culpability of the society that allowed the holocaust to happen is one step up from Holocaust denial.

It is one thing if posters truly come to DU to gain a greater understanding ... it is quite another if they come to promote (what amounts to) a right wing / or totally ignorant point of view.

I am unsure of the defense of these postings ... did you really come away feeling that the poster was truly looking for some clarity? I did not

[mnhtnbb]

96. See, I agree. Maybe we're both naive

and it really was a troll who'd been lurking for almost 6 years.

I took the post at face value and tried to respond with info to support
the fact that this is history Americans have not wanted to face.
We like to believe Gone With the Wind is not fictionalized. So how
could 12 Years a Slave be fact?

[elleng]

98. Dunno, maybe naive,

but your approach is much more useful than the other stuff that's been going on around here today.

Thanks

[Call Me Wesley]

102. Calling a racist a racist?

I take full responsbility for that.

[elleng]

103. There is NO basis to call the Poster racist, NONE!

[kcr]

119. Wow

I'm sorry, but that... There's no words for thinking that poster isn't racist.

[Starry Messenger]

106. This is today in a nutshell:

[Call Me Wesley]

101. Ohhh, poor attackd poster.

Thank you for standing up to him and his 'slavery wasn't bad, it was fun and family holiday,' it's duly noted.

You want to discuss the matter that slavery might not have been this bad, but actually quite overrated? Well, go ahead. Good luck.

[tenderfoot]

108. Educate us...

[elleng]

110. Life At Jefferson's Monticello, As His Slaves Saw It

http://www.npr.org/2012/03/11/148305319/life-at-jeffersons-monticello-as-his-slaves-saw-it

[elleng]

111. The Private Lives of George Washington's Slaves

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/jefferson/video/lives.html

[etherealtruth]

115. Might I suggest

The PBS series: African Americans: Many Rivers to Cross

It is well worth the six hours

[elleng]

116. And I think part of it is/was on this evening.

Suggest it to the OPer.

[etherealtruth]

117. I binge watched it on Netflix ... it was excellent

[tenderfoot]

121. I so want to go back in time and be a slave!

So how is educating a 59 year old working for you?

[LanternWaste]

120. It would truly take a under-educated half-wit to maintain the pretense the OP was was sincere...

Why discuss an absurdity and pretend it's education? Why give credibility to the statement "2+2=7"?

It would truly take a under-educated half-wit to maintain the pretense that the OP was was sincere... not that you're under-educated by any means...

[mmonk]

87. I had to keep reading down this thread to figure out what the heck

was going on.


Geez, don't do that again.

[elleng]

104. REALLY!

[tenderfoot]

122. Yeah ellen really

So digging that egg all over your face!

[unblock]

105. HEY! i gotta, say, as the son of a holocaust survivor,

this was really funny!