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The First Iraq War Was Also Sold to the Public Based on a Pack of Lies""
Polls suggest that Americans tend to differentiate between our good war in Iraq Operation Desert Storm, launched by George HW Bush in 1990 and the mistake his son made in 2003.
Across the ideological spectrum, theres broad agreement that the first Gulf War was worth fighting. The opposite is true of the 2003 invasion, and a big reason for those divergent views was captured in a 2013 CNN poll that found that a majority of Americans (54%) say that prior to the start of the war the administration of George W. Bush deliberately misled the U.S. public about whether Baghdad had weapons of mass destruction.
But as the usual suspects come out of the woodwork to urge the US to once again commit troops to Iraq, its important to recall that the first Gulf War was sold to the public on a pack of lies that were just as egregious as those told by the second Bush administration 12 years later.
http://billmoyers.com/2014/06/27/the-first-iraq-war-was-also-sold-to-the-public-based-on-a-pack-of-lies/
http://harpers.org/blog/2008/01/935-lies-on-the-way-to-a-war/
Cleita
(75,480 posts)pbmus
(12,422 posts)Separation
(1,975 posts)I always thought it was pretty well known and spoken of that the first Gulf War was specifically for oil.
pbmus
(12,422 posts)Michigander_Life
(549 posts)I would rather fight for oil than, say, religion. Fighting for a resource makes sense. It isn't right, but it makes sense.
malokvale77
(4,879 posts)1. We don't need to fight for oil. We have our own.
2. Would you like to take my grandson's place in this fight for oil?
3. We have no rights to other countries resources. It isn't right and it will never make sense.
The only reason to ever use our military is to protect our homeland. It is not the job of our military to protect the investments of commodity traders.
I thought your nipple alert was silly, but this post just shows your true colors.
Michigander_Life
(549 posts)My comment was that a war over a strategic resource makes sense, whereas a war over religion does not make sense. I specifically said that such a war (over oil) was NOT RIGHT.
malokvale77
(4,879 posts)War for resources "does not" make sense. We have our own, we do not have the right to steal others. That is exactly what we are doing. Not because we need them, but because a few commodity traders have invested in them.
War for resources is no more righteous than war for religion. Both are ridiculous.
I ask you again, do you want to take the place of my grandchild to fight for resources that we have no legitimate claim to?
Michigander_Life
(549 posts)malokvale77
(4,879 posts)It makes no more sense than it is right.
You seem to be having a problem with reading comprehension.
I will say it again. It does not make sense to go to war for resources that do not belong to us.
Are you willing to take my grandchilds place to fight for what is not ours?
Michigander_Life
(549 posts)Resources are important. When the water shortages come, when we have polluted and wasted all of our fresh water to the point ours is GONE, we will go to war and steal the water of weaker nations. And it will make sense -- they have a resource we need to survive, so we will take it, because we can. It won't be right but it will happen.
When I say "make sense" you're equating that with "makes it ok." That isn't what I've said and isn't what I've meant. I don't believe that a war over oil or water is right. It's wrong - very wrong.
jamzrockz
(1,333 posts)to steal a country's female population just because they are important for life? The idea is that when something be it, man, woman, oil, gold, land doesn't belong to you, fighting for it is no different from theft. And stealing doesn't make sense
Michigander_Life
(549 posts)I think it makes sense for the starving man to steal bread. I think it makes sense for the desperate man to steal money. Stealing makes sense to me. Just because something makes sense doesn't mean it's right. It just means that there is a reason behind an action.
jamzrockz
(1,333 posts)to fight a war against infidels. depending on one's perspective, everything makes sense
Michigander_Life
(549 posts)The desperate man needs money. The starving man needs food. The greedy country needs oil.
malokvale77
(4,879 posts)That was my point. Need makes sense. Greed does not.
We don't need it. We have our own.
Greed is never a reason to slaughter.
As far as water goes, it's greed that has destroyed our supply of that "real need".
You can try to justify the raping of natural resources all you want, but I for one will not buy into said justification. I have been around too long to not see what those arguments are about.
I have not misread anything you have said here, I just will not agree.
progressoid
(50,008 posts)barbtries
(28,817 posts)i thought at the time it was a "righteous" war. i shudder looking back. after it ended with saddam still in power i became very cynical and can no longer say when i learned of the lies the whole thing was built on. i believed at the time that they didn't take him out then so they would have a handy reason for another war. but a friend whose husband was there told me it was because they couldn't get to him. i don't know. there's so much more that i don't know than i do, but i know this now: they're full of shit and their wars are concocted to keep them rich, whether it's through oil or the entire MIC.
the 2nd war i was against from the get. including the invasion of afghanistan.
so sick of it
rickyhall
(4,889 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)Despite the media spin, which was very restricted by Bush, there were enormous casaulties for either side in the long run, as all the Bush wars were.
IIRC, that war was the first time enlisted parents - both parents - were deployed without any consideration of their children. A reversal of the WW2 rule of not sending too many of the family to war.
There is something very wrong with that family. And they're still at it, grifting on a higher level than Palin could ever be.
joanbarnes
(1,723 posts)6000eliot
(5,643 posts)It was the same horseshit engineered by almost the same people using the same lies as the second one.
TheKentuckian
(25,034 posts)none of the bullshit makes the slightest sense and less so with every cycle.
The options are wanting to believe what "authority figures" say for whatever reason, don't believe it but go along to get along, near oblivious ignorance, or being fucking stupid.