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The teen recalled, It was very degrading and I felt, I was in shock. As reported by WYFF News 4, Culpepper considers himself gender non-conforming and wears girls clothing and make-up daily.
Teresa Culpepper, Chases mom, said told WHNS she felt, Angry, upset, heartbroken that my government was telling my son, You must conform to our ideals of what a man should look like.
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/oddnews/dmv-forces-teen-to-remove-makeup-before-getting-license-211807943.html
CurtEastPoint
(18,680 posts)Not your fault, Doxy. Here's a non-inflammatory link: http://www.buzzfeed.com/rachelzarrell/the-dmv-refused-to-a-give-16-year-old-boy-his-license-until
woodsprite
(11,940 posts)In DE, the thing is we're not allowed glasses on or put a smile on our face.
theHandpuppet
(19,964 posts)What's a man supposed to look like, anyway? Some bozo from Duck Dynasty?
pipi_k
(21,020 posts)then they should leave him alone, because it's not like he's trying to put something over on people (I honestly thought the photo was going to show a kid wearing bizarre Goth type makeup or something).
It would be the same thing if women weren't allowed to cut their hair short or dye it different colors because they wouldn't look the same as their drivers license photos.
MineralMan
(146,350 posts)That's the only rule I'm sure of. Good for this kid for raising the issue and making it public.
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)if you are male or female. I'm a male with long hair, and have always been required to pull out my hair tie when having my DL photo taken...
freeplessinseattle
(3,508 posts)LadyHawkAZ
(6,199 posts)And while I don't wear makeup, I've been in line behind any number of heavily made-up and carefully coiffed women who got their photos taken with no problem.
pipi_k
(21,020 posts)Plus I've even had mine taken like 3 or 4 times and allowed to choose which one I wanted on my license (by some of the more pleasant RMV workers).
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)I dunno... Each state's DMV has their own rules... I only speak from personal experience (ie, anecdotal, doesn't count for shit).
redqueen
(115,108 posts)I would bet dollars to doughnuts they did this to him because he's male and 'makeup is for females'. Which is stupid.
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)You would be correct...
And it is stupid.
pipi_k
(21,020 posts)I'll have to ask my mom or younger sister. They both live in Fl
csziggy
(34,139 posts)According to [the DMV employee] me wearing makeup would be a disguise, the South Carolina teen recalled.
http://www.buzzfeed.com/rachelzarrell/the-dmv-refused-to-a-give-16-year-old-boy-his-license-until
But since you mention Florida, he could go to Santa Rosa County - apparently they accept any photo for their DLs:
http://www.srctc.com/dl/index.htm
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)I was stating my particular experiences and the assumptions I had on the DL rules, and that's where this subthread came from.
csziggy
(34,139 posts)As for if women are required to remove makeup for their FL DL pictures, I don't know from personal experience since I don't wear makeup. But I've never seen any woman asked to remove her makeup before getting her picture taken when I was in line for my DL.
I do love that ad for the Santa Rosa DL office.
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)I suppose I was under the wrong impression. But I seem to remember my mother telling me that when I was younger and she was renewing her license. And of course, I've always been made to remove my hair tie. This happened once when I was 17 for my first license pic, and again at 33 when I renewed my license and they wanted a new photo (because at 33, I no longer looked like I was 17). Again, this is nothing more than anecdotal evidence of my personal experiences and apparently is not the norm.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)I have never known a woman to be asked that, and when I've spent ages at the Secretary of State in MI, I've never seen a woman asked to remove makeup. Not once.
I don't even see how it would be practical to have a good portion of half the people wash their faces before a photo.
Scratchem
(19 posts)Last edited Wed Jun 18, 2014, 09:31 PM - Edit history (1)
IOW, someone showing up in Juggalo makeup or Blackface would be turned away. I believe it read something to the effect of "altering appearance so as to be unidentifiable"
Minor makeup for cosmetic purposes was allowed.
Of course the discretion is where things get murky.
redqueen
(115,108 posts)Thisis straight up bullshit.
It wouldn't make sense since most people who wear makeup tend to wear it all or most of the time. It would be like telling people they have to remove their glasses because it obscures their face.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)otohara
(24,135 posts)have strict rules - he would not be allowed to wear makeup for a PP
Not outraged with our government over this.
redqueen
(115,108 posts)Gormy Cuss
(30,884 posts)and makeup isn't listed in the FAQs either.
http://travel.state.gov/content/passports/english/passports/photos/photos.html
Passport Photo Requirements
You must provide 1 photo with your application
The processing of your passport application may be delayed if you do not submit a photo that meets the requirements below. To avoid processing delays, we recommend you use a professional passport photo service.
Your passport photo must be:
In color
Printed on matte or glossy photo quality paper
2 x 2 inches (51 x 51 mm) in size
Sized such that the head is between 1 inch and 1 3/8 inches (between 25 and 35 mm) from the bottom of the chin to the top of the head. View the Photo Composition Template for more size requirement details.
Taken within the last 6 months to reflect your current appearance
Taken in front of a plain white or off-white background
Taken in full-face view directly facing the camera
With a neutral facial expression and both eyes open
Taken in clothing that you normally wear on a daily basis:
Uniforms, clothing that looks like a uniform, and camouflage attire should not be worn in photos except in the case of religious attire that is worn daily.
You may only wear a hat or head covering if you wear it daily for religious purposes. Your full face must be visible and your head covering cannot obscure your hairline or cast shadows on your face.
Headphones, wireless hands-free devices or similar items are not acceptable in your photo.
If you normally wear prescription glasses, a hearing device or similar articles, they may be worn for your photo. Glare on glasses is not acceptable in your photo.
Dark glasses or non-prescription glasses with tinted lenses are not acceptable unless you need them for medical reasons (a medical certificate may be required).
otohara
(24,135 posts)is in town, I'll throw some makeup on him and take him to the post office passport office and see what they say OKAY?
Gormy Cuss
(30,884 posts)Nothing at the link even suggests that what passes for a normal amount of makeup needs to be scrubbed off for the passport photo. Tell you what, do bring your son in wearing his normal makeup and see what happens.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)That means make up if you wear it, none if you don't, hair like you usually wear it etc. That's what the passport office wants, a photo of you that looks like you look.
Zorra
(27,670 posts)wore mascara and lip color in my photo. I had no problems with the State Dept.
Is it only men who can't wear makeup for passport photos?
otohara
(24,135 posts)from our friends over at Kodak
http://www.kodakexpresscamden.com/Passport-Unacceptable.html
Eyeliner, mascara and lipstick seems minimal
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)Your Passport photo is supposed to reflect your current, regular appearance. That's the actual rule.
dembotoz
(16,865 posts)redqueen
(115,108 posts)I dunno why more dudes don't wear it.
csziggy
(34,139 posts)In the 1920s, Tutankhamun's tomb was discovered, introducing the use of eyeliner to the Western world. The 1920s were an era commonly associated with many changes in women's fashion, and women felt freer to apply makeup more liberally.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eye_liner#History
Zorra
(27,670 posts)men have the same right.
La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)RKP5637
(67,112 posts)all so damn lame, as usual ... he will never look like the photo ID in real life, so if it's for identity purposes it's no good and a bunch of BS. Probably some asshole taking the picture was giving them a hard time. Maybe it offended their religion as to what a man should look like. I get so tired of this gender crap as to how one is supposed to look and act.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)hairstyles favored around here by people of all sexual orientations and gender identifications. Chase's makeup is downright subtle by 21st Century standards.