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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsHELP_))) UPDATE my 2 boxers went out to pee and came back foaming at mouth with a frog. I
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did some research and realized they had frog poisoning. We flushed out their mouths and put them in their indoor crates with blankets and some water. They are not shaking or seizing or acting weird, just the foaming and the sounds like they have dry mouth. it is almost 1 in the morning here and there are no emergency vet hospitals.
The male brindle will be 5 next week and is about 75 lbs the female fawn is about 65 lbs and is 2 She had the most foaming.
They are not happy about being in their crates but otherwise seem okay. I will be checking on them through the night is there anything I have missed?
UPDATE: They seem to be doing better. They never threw up and were quiet all night. I checked on them a lot till I couldn't stay awake any longer. They have a check up tomorrow just to be safe and I can take them any time if I suspect they are still having issues.
we didn't know how much they weighed. I thought they were heavier. These are just estimates. Hubby weighed himself and then held each dog and weighed again. I thought they were closer to 100 lbs but unofficially they are closer to the 65/75 weight.
Will find out tomorrow the correct weight. They both have check ups
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)they drop them, usually fine, and put them back outside.
I never heard of frog desease though. I hope your dogs are okay.
demtenjeep
(31,997 posts)thanks.
I am probably a worry wort. I am sure they will be fine but they have become like our second set of children. Our real children are out of the house (well our daughter moved back in to finish a couple years of her master's degree in college) We love these pups deeply
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)dog doesn't bother them but the cats have brought in a few. I wonder if it affects cats also?
I don't think you're being a worry wort, better to be sure than sorry. Sounds like you did all the right things and if they haven't thrown up, as the article says, hopefully they are alright.
Let us know how they are, I understand about them being like your 'babies'. So hoping no harm was done and they will be fine by tomorrow.
LeftyMom
(49,212 posts)You need to flush their mouths and induce vomiting. Call the vet's office, they should have an answering service or some other way to reach them in an emergency.
edit: The easiest way to induce vomiting in a dog is to get them to swallow a little peroxide.
BETTER LINK: http://www.embracepetinsurance.com/health/bufo-toad-envenomation
Treatment of Bufo toad envenomation usually depends on the dose an animal has received. In all cases, however, dogs should have their mouths rinsed out with water immediately upon suspicion of toad envenomation. A hose or bath nozzle may be used to rinse out the oral cavity, taking care not to allow aspiration.
All dogs should be taken to a veterinary facility after exposure, but those who begin to show neurological signs should be rushed there immediately. Supportive care, including intravenous fluid and anti-seizure medication (such as diazepam or propoful) administration is the mainstay of treatment. Symptomatic treatment of any gastrointestinal signs is also undertaken at this time.
For patients who have received a large dose of Bufo toad toxin, intensive care may be required to keep recurrent seizures at bay and to monitor the heart for signs of cardiotoxicity.
demtenjeep
(31,997 posts)I hope they are not in pain
LeftyMom
(49,212 posts)I know how to deal with this because flvegan's dogs had the same thing happen. He took them straight to the vet, and he knows enough about dogs that he wouldn't have done so if it wasn't necessary.
Of course they're in pain. It's a neurotoxin. Call the damn vet.
demtenjeep
(31,997 posts)thank you
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)demtenjeep
(31,997 posts)they said to use garden hose to wash mouth out and rub gums to ensure nothing slimy was still in their mouth. Since they are not seizing or disoriented or crying or pawing at their eyes it is likely the poison is in their mouth. The female is a hunter. She has brought snakes, birds and toads in the house before. This frog was a little bigger. Said to keep them comfortable, make sure they have water to drink but don't force them to drink. Do not feed them as they will likely vomit. If they do not vomit, overnight, to gently ease eating in the morning. If they start vomiting, more than once, call them back.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Sending good vibes to you and your "kids". In all likelihood they will be fine in the morning and wonder why you were acting so strangely last night.
demtenjeep
(31,997 posts)its times like this vaping isn't quite cutting it
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)A vets reassurance might. I know how you feel, sometimes hard to believe the things our "kids" (human or otherwise) can get into. And it is always when the urgent care or vets offices are closed.
newfie11
(8,159 posts)I've had dogs grab frogs and do the drooling/slobbering/hacking. Mine must not have encountered that type of frog as they all recovered fine.
Are you sure it is that poisonous frog?
Good luck and maybe they will have learned their lesson ( don't count on it lol).
Warpy
(111,417 posts)Toads have poison sacs on either side of their heads. It might help if you could ID the species, although your region will help. The Pet Poison Center is at http://www.petpoisonhelpline.com/poison/toads/ and they can tell you if the really dangerous ones are in your area.
If they are, then it's emergency vet time NOW for supportive treatment.
Good luck to you and your doggies.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)years ago my parents dog did the same thing he grabbed a toad in mouth and moments later spit it and started foaming , my parents rinsed his mouth out and kept him quiet comforted him ect, he came through it just fine with no vet intervention, he was a bit bigger though-Great Pyrenees/German Shepherd mix
DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)that is the difference betwene life and deatnh. Our vet said if we waited an hour, our dog would be DEAD.
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)please update when you can.
Orrex
(63,261 posts)The poor pups! How are they doing this morning?
MineralMan
(146,345 posts)dog just picked up an American Toad. When that happens, they exude a very bitter substance through their skin. That causes the foaming at the mouth and distress. That will pass soon. There's an old saying about a dog picking up a toad in its mouth. It has something to do with that dog only doing that once. It's the toad's defense against predators.
If you are in Florida, there's an off chance that it's an invasive toad that has a toxic exudation from its skin. If you're not in Florida, give he dogs plenty of water and keep an eye on them. The problem should be resolved fairly quickly.
The good news: your boxers aren't going to do that again. They've learned something about toads.
demtenjeep
(31,997 posts)the female has brought in a snake, two different toads, a mouse and a bird. She is a hunter.
The two toads she has brought in she never hurt them, just carried them in her mouth and when she got in, she opened her mouth and out popped the toads. She never foamed like that before.
The snake was about the size of a pencil. Scared the crap out of me!
MineralMan
(146,345 posts)If so, I wouldn't worry too much.
demtenjeep
(31,997 posts)I just worry too much.
MineralMan
(146,345 posts)I'm glad they're doing OK. I expected that. I've seen dogs grab toads. They taste really, really bad, apparently. I'm pretty sure yours will leave toads along in the future.
demtenjeep
(31,997 posts)Angus's daddy weighed 100 lbs and his granddaddy was almost 90 lbs.
Daisy has paws that are huge and I suspect she will weigh a lot when she is full grown and filled out.
Daisy has been fixed since before she was 1 and we got Angus neutered last winter because we read that boxer males are easy for tumors.
we had thought at one time about breeding them but we didn't want to go through all of the hassle associated with that. However, hubby has been saying he wants another one. He thinks a white one would be cool to add to our brindle and our fawn.
I am not sure I want to add another one to the mix right now.
demtenjeep
(31,997 posts)but I checked on them @ every 30 minutes till about 5:30 and I just couldn't stay awake any longer. I will be watching them closely today. They both ate a little bit this morning but now they are sleeping again. (That's pretty normal)
I was so scared.
demtenjeep
(31,997 posts)I was pretty scared last night
riqster
(13,986 posts)Sometimes dogs catch some weird prey.
demtenjeep
(31,997 posts)she had it in her mouth and the ends were hanging out of both sides. I couldn't see it clearly and had thought she was just out eating grass. I reached down to sweep her mouth and it moved. She dropped it on the kitchen floor and the thing curled up and started hissing. I screamed and my husband came down got some plyers and took it outside. I am pretty sure he killed it but I didn't ask.
riqster
(13,986 posts)Plus, she likes to bury the "body of the loved one" so as to age it before eating. Majorly gross.
yellowcanine
(35,703 posts)NPR even did a story on it.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6376594
demtenjeep
(31,997 posts)so then I posted a FB link but then people could go through it all so I deleted that as well.