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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsOhio moves to redefine abortion to include some birth control devices.
"Ohio May Take Away Low-Income Womens Access To The Most Effective Form Of Birth Control"
The Ohio legislature is currently considering a measure that would institute a sweeping ban on insurance coverage for abortion in state residents public and private health plans. Restricting womens ability to use their insurance plans to pay for abortion is becoming an increasingly popular anti-choice strategy and Ohios proposed legislation may actually go even further. The measure would also make it harder for low-income women to afford the most effective form of birth control.
House Bill 351, which was the subject of a committee hearing on Tuesday, seeks to prohibit insurance plans from covering drugs or devices used to prevent the implantation of a fertilized ovum. That definition effectively bans several types of contraception, like the birth control pill and the IUD.
Residents with public insurance which includes state government employees as well as low-income individuals who rely on Medicaid are already prevented from using their coverage for most abortions. But since HB 351 stipulates they also cant use it for any drugs that inhibit implantation, the legislation could end up functioning as a birth control ban for public insurance plans.
Rep. John Becker (R), who sponsored the bill, said during Tuesdays hearing that birth control pills should not be banned under HB 351. But he still wants IUDs, which are long-acting forms of birth control that are inserted in the uterus, to fall under the ban because he considers IUDs to be a form of abortion. This is just a personal view. Im not a medical doctor, he said.
http://thinkprogress.org/health/2014/06/04/3444814/ohio-lawmakers-insurance-iuds/
sinkingfeeling
(51,484 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)I'm glad you were not forced to seek an illegal abortion.
get the red out
(13,468 posts)Banning birth control. I have argued with so many people who swore to me this was not the case, well here it is.
I hate these people.
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)Women must be punished for their sexual urges.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)People looked at me like I had 2 heads.
redqueen
(115,103 posts)theHandpuppet
(19,964 posts)Last edited Wed Jun 4, 2014, 05:18 PM - Edit history (1)
And as usual, the people who would be hurt most by this are POOR WOMEN.
They disgust me. THE LOT OF THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
FiveGoodMen
(20,018 posts)the only way to deal with the resulting over-population is a massive die-off.
I nominate the people who are trying to ban birth control for that honor.
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)LadyHawkAZ
(6,199 posts)randys1
(16,286 posts)We cant do anything about other than VOTE, and if we have apathy in November and a low turnout you can then turn to your friend who didnt vote and tell them they are to blame for this...
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)lysistrata style. Some men in Ohio obviously have penis issues.
Arkansas Granny
(31,537 posts)women that involve medical procedures. Their whole purpose seems to be subjugating women to their beliefs.
TBF
(32,116 posts)Bingo.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)The major anti-choice orgs are either silent or openly opposed to, for instance, oral contraceptives, which they consider abortifacents, and as such morally equivalent to abortion.
theHandpuppet
(19,964 posts)It's what they've wanted all along.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Even more than Roe, thats the one that really bugs them.
They hate the idea of consenting adults having a right to privacy about their own choices and bodies!
Lindsay
(3,276 posts)"I am not a doctor, but I will decide what medical care is available to women based on my entirely uninformed belief."
This. has. got. to. stop.
randys1
(16,286 posts)or what all males can have and I will decide it based on a complete ignorance of science
THIS IS A WAR, wake me up when you all get it
dballance
(5,756 posts)Did I miss the headline in the news that Griswold v. CT has been overturned?
IUDs are abortion now? That's quite a stretch but I'm not surprised Rep. Becker (MALE - GOP) is making it. Yep Rep. Becker - you are certainly NOT a doctor and your "personal view" should certainly outweigh the opinions of actual medical professionals and science. Of course, that's the GOP way of life.
Botany
(70,627 posts)* Except for the Christian Taliban, Home Schooling, I loves me some Jesus,
and "can I help out on election day?" types.
Good old small government republicans who want tot stick their nose up
into women's "lady bits."
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)TBF
(32,116 posts)chrisstopher
(152 posts)sufrommich
(22,871 posts)also stop fertilized eggs from attaching to the lining of the uterus.
Tess49
(1,580 posts)The fail rate is very low if the pill is taken correctly. And, if a pregnancy occurs, the odds are that it will implant.
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)do indeed have a failsafe built in to stop the fertilized egg from attaching if the sperm makes it through the cervix:
The Minipill works further by thickening the mucous around the cervix and preventing sperm from entering the uterus. The lining of the uterus is also affected in a way that prevents fertilized eggs from implanting into the wall of the uterus. The Minipill is taken every day. You may not have a period while taking the Minipill, if you do have periods that means you are still ovulating and your risk for pregnancy occuring is greater.
http://womenshealth.about.com/od/thepill/f/howpillworks.htm
Tess49
(1,580 posts)into this goofball's attempts to deny women BC pills. It is neither a pill or an IUD. Or is it a device?
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)who smoke.I choose an IUD when I was older and still smoked as it was less dangerous than any alternatives.
progressoid
(50,008 posts)suffragette
(12,232 posts)And now they're acting on it.
Wrong in every way.
Ikonoklast
(23,973 posts)This bill will go nowhere.
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)legislation has passed. Every anti choice bill that is now a law was originally described as unlikely.
historylovr
(1,557 posts)Goddamn-it. Of course we knew this was their goal all along, but it's still infuriating to see them pushing it. More hatred of women on display.
Solly Mack
(90,795 posts)Auggie
(31,221 posts)zwyziec
(173 posts)Auggie
(31,221 posts)that was right after me. I moved to San Francisco in '79 and live in Napa Valley now.
My wife and I lived in Mentor Ohio west East of Cleveland. We moved to the Bay area in 1980. My wife passed away in 1986, I remarried in 1988, worked as a CEO/COO/President of high tech companies, with an investment firm and as the Administrator of a large parish in San Jose. My wife is a native of Salem, Oregon so we moved to Wilsonville in 2005 after my third retirement.
We have a son in San Jose, one in San Francisco, one in Sacramento and one in Sedona. I love Oregon. It's Blue, secular and liberal where we live.
I only mention this to make a point. When we go back to Cleveland to visit my classmates who I've stayed in touch with over the past 69 years, since grade school, I am amazed at the stunted personal growth of those who stayed in Cleveland. These are the Reagan Democrats who bought the Welfare Queen meme and who today are as racist as they were back then.
Anyone who lives in the Bay area has to be tolerant, open minded, and educated, even if only by life's experience. Thank god I moved my family back then. Now I can look at my two grandsons, who graduated from Bellarmine College Prep in San Jose and are students at Gonzaga University in Spokane, and see how their lives have been improved by my "immigration" just as my grandparents gave me a great life with their "immigration" from Poland back in 1880.
We had a dear friend who lived in Napa Valley, Mary Catherine Zunt. She passed away two years ago after complications from a kidney transplant.
We just returned last week from our trip to San Jose for our grandson's graduation. It's always special to go back there unlike going back to Cleveland!!
I hope you have a great life in Napa. It's a special place. Keep in touch. Zwyziec
Auggie
(31,221 posts)BTW ... I'm from Kirtland.
Best wishes in Oregon.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)sufrommich
(22,871 posts)will be made into human examples of what happens to women who believe they have sexual freedoms.It's punishment,pure and simple.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Meaning, thanks to "ghetto economics" you can lock these poor kids up, make a ton of money with the private prison, and put them to work for free.
It's a win-win if you're an asshole.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)That says it all. I'm not a physicist but I'm going to ban gravity anyway, because it's my personal view that gravity is a force and the only force should be god.
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)regarding ladies and their ladyparts,he doesn't know what,but it scares him.
City Lights
(25,171 posts)nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)Yet he insists he has the right to impose this "personal view" upon an entire state. What a fucking idiot waste of human flesh - guys like this fucker and Todd Akin should be used for medical experiments.
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)well funded anti choice,Christian fundamentalists groups. If they were just lone nuts spewing this crap they could be ignored,but they aren't and we ignore them at our own peril.
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)sufrommich
(22,871 posts)But in all my life,I have never had a problem getting it and getting it using my insurance to get it. I say this as an aunt who two weeks ago went with my sister to Planned Parenthood to get my niece on the pill because she's sexually active,if young women don't start sending a clear message to these troglodytes ,through the voting booth and through political activism, to stay the fuck out of their business,we will see every right we fought for to control our own bodies go away.
zwyziec
(173 posts)Life begins;
1. When the egg is fertilized by the sperm resulting in a zygote, or
2. When the fetus is able to exist on its own outside the womb, or
3. When the kids leave home and the dog dies.
The RCC teaches that the zygote is "ensouled" in the zygote, at the moment of conception.
Sine the RCC has eliminated the notion of "Limbo" the place of natural bliss where all unbaptized "babies" go when dead, then it makes sense that the RCC priests should start sprinkling water on belly of the mother as soon as she learns she is pregnant. Can't let those souls go to hell if there is a natural or deliberation act of abortion.
This could end up as a real money maker for the RCC with drive through baptisms, for a fee. And the mother could buy an indulgence at the same time.
What a conflicted belief system this RCC has on this issue and on women priests, homosexuality, contraception, abortion, celibacy, the Blessed Virgin, the Holy Trinity, etc. All these guys in funny hats have done is make their theology more complex and therefore more unrealistic.
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)Too bad millions and millions of people are still too blinded by naivete to see this.
colsohlibgal
(5,275 posts)The war on women continues, this time in my state. It's not pro life - if it was so many of them would not rush to execute prisoners, including, especially in Texas, people with IQs under 70.
These people are crazy and evil, a bad combination.
TBF
(32,116 posts)littlemissmartypants
(22,841 posts)TO END ROE VS. WADE IN THE SUPREME COURT. It has been the plan all along!! Thanks, Phyllis. I am furious!
No one should be in my vagina without my permission. Symbolic rape is still rape. I have brewing rage and I will not be ignored. #FJL
Love, Peace and Shelter. Lmsp
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)That's what we need,that's how we got it done the first time around.
theHandpuppet
(19,964 posts)Check out his record:
http://www.ohiohouse.gov/john-becker/press#
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)DirkGently
(12,151 posts)All the posturing about concern for "life" is dishonest to begin with. The real anti-abortion objection is that women -- especially poor ones -- might "get away" with having non-sanctioned sex without the risk of a dangerous or disastrous pregnancy.
rickyhall
(4,889 posts)There would be NO repugs
Just a thought
RainDog
(28,784 posts)then admits he's not a doctor.
His view is entirely based upon his fantasy world.
This is not someone who should be sponsoring legislation in any house in any state. The only difference between this guy and other oppressive religious folks is the name they call the hateful being they call god.
Triana
(22,666 posts)no abortion - ever - for any reason
NO birth control
NO sex ed
NOTHING.