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Tue Jun 3, 2014, 10:12 PM

Reality Check Here, Please

First-- The facts I as I know them:

At some point in mid-2009, Army Private Bergdahl went missing from his unit in Afghanistan. Shortly thereafter, units of the Taliban claimed to have captured him, and the Army verified that he was a prisoner.

Between 2009 and 2011, while he was still prisoner, the Army promoted him. Twice. Once to Specialist, and then to Sergeant.

Sometime in 2012, official US Government channels confirmed that they had engaged in negotiations with the Taliban to free Bergdahl.

In February of this year, the government again confirmed that negotiations were underway "via intermediaries" to obtain Bergdahl's release.

A few days ago, President Obama announced that Bergdahl would be released, and that five prisoners from Guantanamo Bay would be released to Qatar.

Since then:
  • Various elements of Congress have gone ballistic, claiming that they were "out of the loop,"
  • Various elements of the US media and a swathe of the punditry have been having major pearl-clutching attacks about "negotiating with terrorists"; and
  • Allegations are flying about Bergdahl being a deserter, mentally ill, a criminal, etc.


Are those facts substantially correct?

May I ask one question, please, particularly aimed at the active-duty and veteran military service members on Democratic Underground?

How would you feel about the next time you have to head out into enemy territory, if the consensus of opinion generally resolves to "We should have let the crazy bastard rot there, and kept the terrorists in Gitmo"?

I'm just wondering.

Because, as far as I can tell, once again this Administration has been making difficult choices in a delicate situation, attempting to balance security and transparency, keeping options open and an over-riding priority in view, and has achieved that priority.

Who is most likely to regard that as a Worst Case Scenario? And why? And what are the implications for our active duty military in hostile territory?

curiously,
Bright



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Reply Reality Check Here, Please (Original post)
TygrBright Jun 2014 OP
giftedgirl77 Jun 2014 #1
TygrBright Jun 2014 #3
Voice for Peace Jun 2014 #8
840high Jun 2014 #4
nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #2
Baitball Blogger Jun 2014 #5
jtuck004 Jun 2014 #13
Cha Jun 2014 #6
freshwest Jun 2014 #9
sheshe2 Jun 2014 #7
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libodem Jun 2014 #10
Corruption Inc Jun 2014 #11
defacto7 Jun 2014 #12
Half-Century Man Jun 2014 #14
ProgressiveJarhead Jun 2014 #15
kairos12 Jun 2014 #24
ballyhoo Jun 2014 #16
TygrBright Jun 2014 #21
ballyhoo Jun 2014 #26
davidthegnome Jun 2014 #17
homegirl Jun 2014 #18
mwrguy Jun 2014 #19
ProgressiveJarhead Jun 2014 #20
TygrBright Jun 2014 #22
smallcat88 Jun 2014 #23
kairos12 Jun 2014 #25

Response to TygrBright (Original post)

Tue Jun 3, 2014, 10:22 PM

1. I don't know why you are asking this of the active duty

 

especially here. Many of us agree that he should have been brought home & have no problem with how it was handled. Deployments were just part of life, I would never have considered leaving one of my squad ever.

Now handling him over here after the investigations come out is another story. At this point if the allegations are true they already have more than enough evidence.

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Response to giftedgirl77 (Reply #1)

Tue Jun 3, 2014, 10:35 PM

3. Thanks for your response.

Indeed, once he's home, the allegations will need careful and transparent investigation.

I suppose getting used to having media and punditry second-guessing is part of the deal, but it does seem a bit counter-productive to me.

appreciatively,
Bright

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Response to TygrBright (Reply #3)

Tue Jun 3, 2014, 11:54 PM

8. most of what they (media and punditry) engage in is counterproductive..

 

I am very glad I'm not them. I would not want to be
running around inside their heads.

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Response to giftedgirl77 (Reply #1)

Tue Jun 3, 2014, 10:40 PM

4. ....

 

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Response to TygrBright (Original post)

Tue Jun 3, 2014, 10:27 PM

2. When all becomes political...

 

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Response to TygrBright (Original post)

Tue Jun 3, 2014, 10:55 PM

5. I sense a plot for a movie.

Chuck Norris will probably be too conflicted to play the main role. Though at his age, he's probably better cast as one of the chickenhawk Republican congressmen.

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Response to Baitball Blogger (Reply #5)

Wed Jun 4, 2014, 12:24 AM

13. He lost his younger brother in Vietnam. And is now who he is.

 


I would have taken far different lessons from that sad event, but perhaps it helped motivate him to where he got to.

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Response to TygrBright (Original post)

Tue Jun 3, 2014, 11:03 PM

6. Thanks for laying out the facts as you percieve them, TB.

My view is that it's President Obama and everything he does is Wrong Wrong Wrong.. according to his enemies in Congress and the Media.

Right-Wing Bloggers Wanted Bergdahl Release Before Obama Got Him Back

http://linkis.com/aattp.org/aycAq

Sam Stein ✔ @samsteinhp

McCain's appearance from Feb in which he endorsed 5:1 exchange for Bergdahl http://bit.ly/1pPRy1S Spox now says he's troubled by details

Eric Schultz ✔ @Schultz44
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Republican Congressman Deletes Statement Calling Bergdahl "A National Hero"

http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/republican-congressman-deletes-statement-calling-bergdahl-a

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Response to Cha (Reply #6)

Tue Jun 3, 2014, 11:59 PM

9. CNN: Taliban prisoner could see U.S. soil soon



Published on Feb 18, 2014


Arizona Senator and former P.O.W John McCain talks about renewed efforts to bring home an American in Taliban captivity.

That was one interview. Now he's spitting bile. Pardon the source, but this is where he was happily spewing:

http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/on-the-record/2014/06/03/mccain-five-released-terrorists-prisoner-swap-bergdahl-are-hell-bent-killing-americans-an

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Response to TygrBright (Original post)

Tue Jun 3, 2014, 11:30 PM

7. KnR

for bring our soldier home and to hell to anyone that says different.

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Response to TygrBright (Original post)

Wed Jun 4, 2014, 12:21 AM

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Response to TygrBright (Original post)

Wed Jun 4, 2014, 12:21 AM

11. If it's being discussed on the MSMedia it has nothing to do with reality

 

It's about the MSMedia tools selling any lie they can just to get an emotional, rather than rational, response from its easily fooled viewers.

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Response to TygrBright (Original post)

Wed Jun 4, 2014, 12:24 AM

12. Your post shows a common

resemblance to just about everything political in the US these days namely to damn the facts and support disinformation for the sake of political positioning. Facts are so bland when disinformation can be made so entertaining and that is what has happened again in this case.

I know I am not answering your questions; I'm not qualified. But I am making an observation.

Thanks for bearing up facts as we know them and questioning all positions. That's how we determine was is real which is not a readily available commodity these days.

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Response to TygrBright (Original post)

Wed Jun 4, 2014, 12:24 AM

14. There were the rumors for years after VN (and Korea) that some of our guys weren't released.

That really solidified the "All come home" movement.
I concur with that. Nobody gets abandoned.

I feel that, even if you go deserter/complete pacifist/immigrant to a country we are/were in conflict with. As long as you didn't join the military action against us; at some point you get to come home. Even if just as a foreign tourist years later.

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Response to TygrBright (Original post)

Wed Jun 4, 2014, 12:31 AM

15. Not Sure How To Reply

 

As an enlisted person, we would have known what was going on with one of our people and would have intervened. As an officer, I would have asked some serious questions of my SNCOs and junior Marines how this happened. Were you watching out for this kid? Were there warning signs? I have heard he was unhappy in the Army. That accounts for the majority at any given time. Where was his command leadership? Who are they and where are they now? I couldn't give a shit about what a few of his peers say.
I remember that this happened to a guy named Bush. He just walked off. Cheney never walked on.

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Response to ProgressiveJarhead (Reply #15)

Wed Jun 4, 2014, 01:14 AM

24. This Airborne Ranger

concurs with your post. Welcome to DU.

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Response to TygrBright (Original post)

Wed Jun 4, 2014, 12:35 AM

16. I'm a retired Army

 

Captain, Vietnam era. I have been fielding calls all day from servicemen who I kept in contact with over the years, a few of which I hired at the company I started years after the war. Almost to a man none believe as you apparently do for a variety of reasons. But that's all I'll say. Not interested in the resultant flame. I'm trying to back-channel through military contacts to see what really happened and what the general opinion of the noncoms is.

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Response to ballyhoo (Reply #16)

Wed Jun 4, 2014, 01:02 AM

21. If you do find out, I would genuinely be interested in knowing.

I'm well aware that those of us who don't share your experience "think different."

I'm trying to learn.

Mentally, when I try to put myself in the place of someone serving in hostile territory, the first thing that comes to mind is "It might have been me... Next time it could be me..."

Maybe that's completely off base from reality.

I'd like to understand.

hopefully,
Bright

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Response to TygrBright (Reply #21)

Wed Jun 4, 2014, 01:27 AM

26. It is not possible for you to understand. I

 

got a email from a Navy guy today that worked a PBR on the Thu Bồn River picking up mainly dead and injured American soldiers. He was so mad he could barely speak. You see things that leave an indelible print in your mind. In my opinion, based on what was known and suspected, this particular trade should not have been made and the US will pay for it dearly. I have nothing else to say.

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Response to TygrBright (Original post)

Wed Jun 4, 2014, 12:43 AM

17. While I can't answer your questions...

I, for one, am thrilled that we got him back - and if that means negotiating with despicable people, well, our government and military officials do that every day - they're called congress.

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Response to TygrBright (Original post)

Wed Jun 4, 2014, 12:49 AM

18. Maybe I

read too many spy novels but I think there is a lot more to this story than we will ever know. He learned three (!) local languages and then inserted himself with the enemy, Makes one wonder.

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Response to TygrBright (Original post)

Wed Jun 4, 2014, 01:00 AM

20. Deep Questions

 

The POUTS is mixed race.
Bin Laden is dead.
A UA shit stain started the war.
The MSM has their talking points.
The kid is home.
Who some call terrorists, others call freedom fighters.
Where did this happen?
On US soil?
Who makes money?
Who gets political points from dumb asses?
GITMO should have been gone years ago.
A child soldier comes home.
Questions will be answered about his motives.
Republicans hate the POUTS with a passion.
Stupid people love and vote for republicans.
My Lord, I used to be a republican.
Forgive me for I have sinned.

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Response to ProgressiveJarhead (Reply #20)

Wed Jun 4, 2014, 01:04 AM

22. My Dad was a Marine. I think he'd be asking the same questions.

I wish he were still around to ask.

Thank you for your response, Marine.

appreciatively,
Bright

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Response to TygrBright (Original post)

Wed Jun 4, 2014, 01:11 AM

23. It's not about

Bergdahl. he's just a pawn in the rhetoric machine. It's about Obama-bashing.

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Response to TygrBright (Original post)

Wed Jun 4, 2014, 01:16 AM

25. Bring him home period. End of story.

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