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MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
Mon May 12, 2014, 09:20 PM May 2014

Greenwald: Thumbs Up or Down?

Pretty controversial fellow!


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53 (93%)
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Greenwald: Thumbs Up or Down? (Original Post) MannyGoldstein May 2014 OP
Did someone say something mean about Greenwald again? ProSense May 2014 #1
Post removed Post removed May 2014 #63
Looks like you're in the minority. ForgoTheConsequence May 2014 #75
You mean popularity contest? Bobbie Jo May 2014 #79
Watch out, now! Number23 May 2014 #77
The reason people hate Greenwald so much is because they are terrified of him Bjorn Against May 2014 #2
I think people ProSense May 2014 #5
I know you like to pretend he focuses his energy promoting Ron Paul... Bjorn Against May 2014 #9
Wait, ProSense May 2014 #13
He claimed that Ron Paul was the most "anti-war, anti-Surveillance-State, MannyGoldstein May 2014 #15
Well, ProSense May 2014 #33
I guess there's not a straightforward answer to my question. nt MannyGoldstein May 2014 #36
LOL! ProSense May 2014 #37
This message was self-deleted by its author Dragonfli May 2014 #71
He also said continuously that he did not endorse Ron Paul Bjorn Against May 2014 #28
"the simple-minded Manicheans and the lying partisan enforcers will claim the opposite" Hassin Bin Sober May 2014 #51
That's certainly how it works around here. n/t QC May 2014 #91
It only "works" for a handful who post far more often than their actual presence here. bvar22 May 2014 #98
So because Greenwald says, ProSense May 2014 #60
The fact that he's an asshole who promotes people who want to destroy this country baldguy May 2014 #19
Oh yeah, greenwald is a big ol scary asshole and wants everyone to be very afraid of him. Cha May 2014 #44
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say there isn't a single DUr terrified of Greenwald nt arely staircase May 2014 #53
I concur psiman May 2014 #64
you think DUers are afraid of Greenwald? a few suits in govt agencies, perhaps, but regular people? dionysus May 2014 #89
Big thumbs up! Three cheers for Greenwald! Autumn May 2014 #3
"sad" - does "Milquetoast" count?!1 n/t UTUSN May 2014 #4
Greenwald is a user and abuser, his patsy is stuck in Russia after flying there on advice, Thinkingabout May 2014 #6
A patsy is a person who pays for a crime another person committed 365fx May 2014 #8
Wrong, check another dictionary, one who is easily fooled, that be Snowden. Thinkingabout May 2014 #11
Are you saying that Greenwald told Snowden to steal the NSA documents? 365fx May 2014 #12
Who has used the information to write articles? Snowden, who ask Putin a trumped Thinkingabout May 2014 #17
Snowden offered and gave Laura Poitras, Glenn Greenwald and Barton Gellman the information 365fx May 2014 #25
You're forgetting about Greenwald's astonishing powers of mind control MannyGoldstein May 2014 #29
Thank you for your fact-based comments truebluegreen May 2014 #45
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2014 #50
how dare anyone make money! bobduca May 2014 #82
It's easy, just need a list of patsies and sit back and get big contracts for yourself. Thinkingabout May 2014 #83
Up !!! & Rec !!! WillyT May 2014 #7
yeah, callous remarks about stolen children can be controversial. nt arely staircase May 2014 #10
I couldn't agree with you more, arley! sheshe2 May 2014 #16
Sure, among people with poor reading comprehension skills who are unable to parse a sentence. nt Electric Monk May 2014 #18
ah, the old taken out of context excuse arely staircase May 2014 #20
You are opposed to the 6th amendment? Electric Monk May 2014 #26
I am against assholes arely staircase May 2014 #31
Glenn was Hale's civil attorney. By choice...the 6th has nothing to do with Greenwald's decision to msanthrope May 2014 #54
And John Adams represented British soldiers accused of attacking Americans around the time of JDPriestly May 2014 #72
Thank you for underscoring my point....Greenwald protected the business interests of msanthrope May 2014 #74
John Adams was also close to a dictator as president. When Jefferson defeated him it wasnt called arely staircase May 2014 #76
There is nothing wrong with their reading skills. zeemike May 2014 #68
Suppose a president had, at his inaugural, the invocation given by a pastor MannyGoldstein May 2014 #21
suppose you just change the subject arely staircase May 2014 #22
Why? MannyGoldstein May 2014 #23
Why? You tell me. The most recent thing G has done is make an asshole comment about those arely staircase May 2014 #27
You're reducing Greenwald to an insensitive comment. MannyGoldstein May 2014 #32
so you don't want to discuss greenwald in your greenwald thread? arely staircase May 2014 #34
I assume no correction will be issued. MannyGoldstein May 2014 #35
I will explain it in detail in my book. ng arely staircase May 2014 #38
You win the thread! zappaman May 2014 #43
"Glad" for the apoplexy he causes some of my favorite DUers. WorseBeforeBetter May 2014 #14
Right psiman May 2014 #65
Trust me, DU "squabbling" about Glenn Greenwald... WorseBeforeBetter May 2014 #92
Same Capt. Obvious May 2014 #84
^^#63^^ WorseBeforeBetter May 2014 #93
It does Capt. Obvious May 2014 #97
No surprise there. Bobbie Jo May 2014 #94
Kick. By all means let's see. pa28 May 2014 #24
I think some people don't like him because JaneyVee May 2014 #30
I think the people who criticize his tweets are the ones who already hated him 365fx May 2014 #40
Always the victim. No one "hates" him. JaneyVee May 2014 #55
Thumbs up! 840high May 2014 #39
...and I'll add that it's a waste of time for some to continue personal attacks on Greenwald... Sancho May 2014 #41
Is this a contest.... Historic NY May 2014 #42
A contest. Everything's a contest. n/t DeSwiss May 2014 #46
Makes one really wonder WHY such a small minority is so vocal (nt) anti partisan May 2014 #47
Fragile egos too wrapped up in "identity politics" bobduca May 2014 #81
, blkmusclmachine May 2014 #48
The frothing hatred Greenwald gives some is hilarious neverforget May 2014 #49
I dont think it's hilarious but I agree it's sad. They are living in a denial bubble, thinking that rhett o rick May 2014 #66
neither DonCoquixote May 2014 #52
Up. Iggo May 2014 #56
greenwald pisses off the right people.. frylock May 2014 #57
I gotta say, I love threads about Glen Autumn May 2014 #58
definitely a guilty pleasure! frylock May 2014 #59
I would love to be in a newborn nursery and steal all the binkies just to hear the babies cry Autumn May 2014 #80
Actually Bobbie Jo May 2014 #96
In a post earlier today, there was a quote from Greenwald shawn703 May 2014 #61
Let's wait and see whether there are very explosive revelations and then decide whether JDPriestly May 2014 #73
"Our" interests? Whatchu mean WE, Kemosabe? eridani May 2014 #78
like him or not, snowden put his freedom in jeapordy.. as greenwalds trying to make a buck off it. dionysus May 2014 #87
I support Greenwald... nikto May 2014 #62
Greenwald is a distraction psiman May 2014 #67
Snowden made Obama look bad Fumesucker May 2014 #70
I'll have to go with "other" here War Horse May 2014 #69
oompah, loompah, doopity doo, i have another push poll for you... dionysus May 2014 #85
And this is a push poll... how? nt MannyGoldstein May 2014 #86
too narrow of a set of responses, sad\glad\other. other is too ambiguous. just my opinion though. dionysus May 2014 #88
How would you propose to word it in a way MannyGoldstein May 2014 #90
Exactly. I don't trust him. PeaceNikki May 2014 #95
Yay, Glenn Greenwald! Enthusiast May 2014 #99
I just wish Snowden had released the documents to a competent journalist psiman May 2014 #100

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
1. Did someone say something mean about Greenwald again?
Mon May 12, 2014, 09:25 PM
May 2014

Why do they keep doing that and forcing these posts to declare loyalty to Greenwald?



Response to ProSense (Reply #1)

ForgoTheConsequence

(4,869 posts)
75. Looks like you're in the minority.
Tue May 13, 2014, 02:19 AM
May 2014

Funny that you're asking others to leave, it would be a lonely place for you and the other 10 people if they did.


and you'd have to change the name to neocon underground....

Bobbie Jo

(14,341 posts)
79. You mean popularity contest?
Tue May 13, 2014, 07:43 AM
May 2014

Many of us in the "DU minority" don't bother to vote in Manny's specious polls.

Congratulations, looks like Greenwald is a shoo in for class president.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
77. Watch out, now!
Tue May 13, 2014, 02:28 AM
May 2014

This will be another pointless push poll that gets thrown around here as proof of... something. Prepare to be dazzled!

Bjorn Against

(12,041 posts)
2. The reason people hate Greenwald so much is because they are terrified of him
Mon May 12, 2014, 09:30 PM
May 2014

When someone has access to the treasure trove of government secrets he has access to they are terrified of the info he may release. They will do everything they can to try and discredit him before he releases any more damaging information.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
5. I think people
Mon May 12, 2014, 09:33 PM
May 2014

"The reason people hate Greenwald so much is because they are terrified of him When someone has access to the treasure trove of government secrets he has access to they are terrified of the info he may release. They will do everything they can to try and discredit him before he releases any more damaging information."

...disliked him before that, and because of his choice of politicians to hype

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024931733#post186

Bjorn Against

(12,041 posts)
9. I know you like to pretend he focuses his energy promoting Ron Paul...
Mon May 12, 2014, 09:42 PM
May 2014

But people who actually read him know that he disagrees with the Pauls on many issues and really does not focus much of his energy on them. He is far more focused on talking about issues such as war and NSA spying than he is on partisan politics, you can try all you want to pretend Greenwald is some huge Ron Paul backer but those who have read Greenwald know that he does not spend his time hyping politicians, he spends his time exposing government secrets.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
13. Wait,
Mon May 12, 2014, 09:49 PM
May 2014

"I know you like to pretend he focuses his energy promoting Ron Paul...But people who actually read him know that he disagrees with the Pauls on many issues, and really does not focus much of his energy on them. He is far more focused on talking about issues such as war and NSA spying than he is on partisan politics, you can try all you want to pretend Greenwald is some huge Ron Paul backer but those who have read Greenwald know that he does not spend his time hyping politicians, he spends his time exposing government secrets. "

...he disagrees with the most "anti-war, anti-Surveillance-State, anti-crony-capitalism, and anti-drug-war" who he claims holds those "genuine" views?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024931733#post186

Maybe you're "pretending" that people don't understand what Greenwald writes. That's typical Greenwald apologia though.


 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
15. He claimed that Ron Paul was the most "anti-war, anti-Surveillance-State,
Mon May 12, 2014, 09:52 PM
May 2014

anti-crony-capitalism, and anti-drug-war" candidate.

Which of those do you disagree with most, and why?

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
33. Well,
Mon May 12, 2014, 10:13 PM
May 2014

"He claimed that Ron Paul was the most "anti-war, anti-Surveillance-State, anti-crony-capitalism, and anti-drug-war" candidate.

Which of those do you disagree with most, and why?"

...all of them. Are you trying to imply that he's right? Ron Paul wants to eliminate corporate taxes and preserve oil subsidies. Did you know he's really a RW Republican? Greenwald's favorite politicians are frauds, and the fact that he doesn't know that means he's clueless. Anyone backing these frauds or making excuses for Greenwald support of them is trying perpetrate the fraud.

Ron Paul Calls For 'Nullification' Of Obamacare: 'Pretty Soon ... We're Just Going To Ignore The Feds'
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/ron-paul-calls-for-nullification-of-obamacare

"Ron Paul hates govt intervention, likes mandatory vaginal ultrasound probes"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002161152



Rand Paul backs bill that could lead to crackdown on states where voters legalized weed
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024663470

Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #36)

Bjorn Against

(12,041 posts)
28. He also said continuously that he did not endorse Ron Paul
Mon May 12, 2014, 10:10 PM
May 2014

I know you like to pretend that one Tweet limited to 140 characters represents some kind of endorsement of Ron Paul, what you fail to mention is that Greenwald has repeatedly said he did not endorse the Pauls for any elected office.

So potent is this poison that no inoculation against it exists. No matter how expressly you repudiate the distortions in advance, they will freely flow. Hence: I’m about to discuss the candidacies of Barack Obama and Ron Paul, and no matter how many times I say that I am not “endorsing” or expressing support for anyone’s candidacy, the simple-minded Manicheans and the lying partisan enforcers will claim the opposite. But since it’s always inadvisable to refrain from expressing ideas in deference to the confusion and deceit of the lowest elements, I’m going to proceed to make a couple of important points about both candidacies even knowing in advance how wildly they will be distorted.


Emphasis Greenwald's.

http://www.salon.com/2011/12/31/progressives_and_the_ron_paul_fallacies/

I don't agree with everything Greenwald says in this article, but his view on the Pauls is far more nuanced than you are making it out to be.

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,356 posts)
51. "the simple-minded Manicheans and the lying partisan enforcers will claim the opposite"
Mon May 12, 2014, 11:08 PM
May 2014

Sounds about right.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
98. It only "works" for a handful who post far more often than their actual presence here.
Tue May 13, 2014, 02:37 PM
May 2014
But the most brilliant technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly and with unflagging attention. It must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over. Here, as so often in this world, persistence is the first and most important requirement for success.[/font]
[font color=white]---volume 1, chapter 6 of Mein Kampf (1925)[/font]

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
60. So because Greenwald says,
Mon May 12, 2014, 11:27 PM
May 2014

"I am not “endorsing” or expressing support for anyone’s candidacy"

...you're buying into his spin, and claiming:

"I don't agree with everything Greenwald says in this article, but his view on the Pauls is far more nuanced than you are making it out to be. "

Greenwald stated:

But what makes the media most eager to disappear Paul is that he destroys the easy, conventional narrative — for slothful media figures and for Democratic loyalists alike. Aside from the truly disappeared former New Mexico Governor Gary Johnson (more on him in a moment), Ron Paul is far and away the most anti-war, anti-Surveillance-State, anti-crony-capitalism, and anti-drug-war presidential candidate in either party. How can the conventional narrative of extremist/nationalistic/corporatist/racist/warmongering GOP v. the progressive/peaceful/anti-corporate/poor-and-minority-defending Democratic Party be reconciled with the fact that a candidate with those positions just virtually tied for first place among GOP base voters in Iowa? Not easily, and Paul is thus disappeared from existence. That the similarly anti-war, pro-civil-liberties, anti-drug-war Gary Johnson is not even allowed in media debates — despite being a twice-elected popular governor — highlights the same dynamic.

It is true, as Booman convincingly argues, that “the bigfoot reporters move like a herd” and “put fingers on the scales in elections all the time.” But sometimes that’s done for petty reasons (such as their 2000 swooning for George Bush’s personality and contempt for Al Gore’s); in this case, it is being done (with the effect if not intent) to maintain simplistic partisan storylines and exclude important views from the discourse.

However much progressives find Paul’s anti-choice views to be disqualifying (even if the same standard is not applied to Good Democrats Harry Reid or Bob Casey), and even as much as Paul’s domestic policies are anathema to liberals (the way numerous positions of Barack Obama ostensibly are: war escalation, due-process-free assassinations, entitlement cuts, and whistleblower wars anyone?), shouldn’t progressives be eager to have included in the discourse many of the views Paul uniquely advocates? After all, these are critical, not ancillary, positions, such as: genuine opposition to imperialism and wars; warnings about the excesses of the Surveillance State, executive power encroachments, and civil liberties assaults; and attacks on the one policy that is most responsible for the unjustifiable imprisonment of huge numbers of minorities and poor and the destruction of their families and communities: Drug Prohibition and the accompanying War to enforce it. GOP primary voters are supporting a committed anti-war, anti-surveillance candidate who wants to stop imprisoning people (dispropriationately minorities) for drug usage; Democrats, by contrast, are cheering for a war-escalating, drone-attacking, surveillance-and-secrecy-obsessed drug warrior.

The nuance there is Greenwald basically saying: Yeah, sure progressives find Paul's "anti-choice views to be disqualifying" and while his "policies are anathema to liberals" they give Reid and Obama a pass on equivalent or worse views.

I mean, why are Democrats "cheering for a "war-escalating, drone-attacking, surveillance-and-secrecy-obsessed drug warrior" when they could be "cheering" the genuine Ron Paul?

Greenwald is delusional, and your spin doesn't work. He holds Democrats in contempt and spends a lot of ink defending Ron and Rand Paul against criticism from Democrats.

Glenn Greenwald defend Rand Paul against "Democratic myths"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022485711

You want Greenwald to have his cake and eat it too by claiming that he isn't “'endorsing' or expressing support for anyone’s candidacy." He's just saying Ron Paul is the best, "genuine," on every issue, yet instead of cheering Paul, Democrats are "cheering for a war-escalating, drone-attacking, surveillance-and-secrecy-obsessed drug warrior."

Why can't Democrats see what Greenwald sees in Paul?

That's the nuance. Greenwald is delusional.

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
19. The fact that he's an asshole who promotes people who want to destroy this country
Mon May 12, 2014, 09:57 PM
May 2014

has nothing to do with it, huh?

dionysus

(26,467 posts)
89. you think DUers are afraid of Greenwald? a few suits in govt agencies, perhaps, but regular people?
Tue May 13, 2014, 11:25 AM
May 2014

come on now.. that's just silly.

Autumn

(45,120 posts)
3. Big thumbs up! Three cheers for Greenwald!
Mon May 12, 2014, 09:31 PM
May 2014

One of my favorite reporters. He is controversial and pisses off a lot of people. He does it so well

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
6. Greenwald is a user and abuser, his patsy is stuck in Russia after flying there on advice,
Mon May 12, 2014, 09:35 PM
May 2014

Gets a big jackpot and don't care about anything but his bottom line. Hw doesn't need Snowden so Snowden is put out to pasture. Greenwald doesn't have integrity.

 

365fx

(12 posts)
8. A patsy is a person who pays for a crime another person committed
Mon May 12, 2014, 09:41 PM
May 2014

I thought Snowden was the criminal one. Greenwald was in the USA and the DOJ didn't arrest him. Or do you hold the position that Snowden didn't commit a crime? If he didn't, why was it wrong for Greenwald to publish non-criminally leaked documents?

 

365fx

(12 posts)
12. Are you saying that Greenwald told Snowden to steal the NSA documents?
Mon May 12, 2014, 09:49 PM
May 2014

Greenwald's fiercest detractors don't even make that claim.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
17. Who has used the information to write articles? Snowden, who ask Putin a trumped
Mon May 12, 2014, 09:56 PM
May 2014

Up question, Snowden is a patsy. It is about fooling Snowden to give up the information he had stolen from the NSA. Did Snowden give up the information?

 

365fx

(12 posts)
25. Snowden offered and gave Laura Poitras, Glenn Greenwald and Barton Gellman the information
Mon May 12, 2014, 10:07 PM
May 2014

Do you still contend that they fooled him into giving it to them?

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
29. You're forgetting about Greenwald's astonishing powers of mind control
Mon May 12, 2014, 10:10 PM
May 2014

Last edited Mon May 12, 2014, 10:49 PM - Edit history (1)

He was able to control Snowden's brain, forcing him to steal the documents and hand 'em over.

Obviously.

Response to truebluegreen (Reply #45)

bobduca

(1,763 posts)
82. how dare anyone make money!
Tue May 13, 2014, 09:19 AM
May 2014

Or write books and expect people to publicize and buy them! The nerve of the publishing industry!

sheshe2

(84,057 posts)
16. I couldn't agree with you more, arley!
Mon May 12, 2014, 09:53 PM
May 2014


But for Glenn, it's all about Glenn~ he's a compassionate conservative.

arely staircase

(12,482 posts)
20. ah, the old taken out of context excuse
Mon May 12, 2014, 10:02 PM
May 2014

But why should he care about them, it isn't like they are white supremacist assassins or anything? those he will go to bat for.

 

Electric Monk

(13,869 posts)
26. You are opposed to the 6th amendment?
Mon May 12, 2014, 10:07 PM
May 2014
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.[
 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
54. Glenn was Hale's civil attorney. By choice...the 6th has nothing to do with Greenwald's decision to
Mon May 12, 2014, 11:12 PM
May 2014

protect the business interests of a white supremacist.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
72. And John Adams represented British soldiers accused of attacking Americans around the time of
Tue May 13, 2014, 12:53 AM
May 2014

the Revolution. Lawyers sometimes represent unpopular criminal clients. Doesn't mean they agree with the clients' actions. It's the job of a lawyer to represent people accused of crimes among other things. Don't judge a lawyer by his clients' actions.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
74. Thank you for underscoring my point....Greenwald protected the business interests of
Tue May 13, 2014, 01:45 AM
May 2014

Matt Hale as his civil attorney. He did not represent Hale in his various criminal cases---therefore neither Greenwald or his supporters can claim that this representation was somehow honorable.

There's little honor in protecting the business of white supremacists.

arely staircase

(12,482 posts)
76. John Adams was also close to a dictator as president. When Jefferson defeated him it wasnt called
Tue May 13, 2014, 02:28 AM
May 2014

the revolution of 1800 for nothing.

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
68. There is nothing wrong with their reading skills.
Tue May 13, 2014, 12:24 AM
May 2014

They are just using the "Al Gore said he invented the internet" tactic developed and perfected by the right wing to discredit people...it works because one can interpret what people are saying instead of what they actually say.

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
21. Suppose a president had, at his inaugural, the invocation given by a pastor
Mon May 12, 2014, 10:03 PM
May 2014

who's publicly said that Jews are going to Hell.

Would that be more callous, or less, than what Greeenwald tweeted? Which action would have been more carefully thought out?

Bonus question: would you attack a president who did such a thing the way you attack Mr. Greenwald?

arely staircase

(12,482 posts)
27. Why? You tell me. The most recent thing G has done is make an asshole comment about those
Mon May 12, 2014, 10:09 PM
May 2014

kidnapped girls. your OP is about Greenwald. But let's talk about Obama? Obama won (twice) Get over it.

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
32. You're reducing Greenwald to an insensitive comment.
Mon May 12, 2014, 10:13 PM
May 2014

I'll assume that you agree that Obama's choice of Rick Warren was orders of magnitude more insensitive than Greenwald's tweet. If that's not the case, please correct me.

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
35. I assume no correction will be issued.
Mon May 12, 2014, 10:18 PM
May 2014

Think about the choices that you're making.

Is that who you really are?

 

psiman

(64 posts)
65. Right
Tue May 13, 2014, 12:17 AM
May 2014

Because squabbling amongst ourselves is the best way to block the Republican agenda and move forward with the leftist program.

WorseBeforeBetter

(11,441 posts)
92. Trust me, DU "squabbling" about Glenn Greenwald...
Tue May 13, 2014, 12:41 PM
May 2014

Last edited Tue May 13, 2014, 02:18 PM - Edit history (1)

is having ZERO impact on the Republican agenda.

pa28

(6,145 posts)
24. Kick. By all means let's see.
Mon May 12, 2014, 10:06 PM
May 2014

A Greenwald thread always seems to result in cascade of angry opponents attacking him. One might think the consensus was anti-Greenwald here on DU.

Let's find out if a vocal minority is at work.

 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
30. I think some people don't like him because
Mon May 12, 2014, 10:11 PM
May 2014

Of his social media antics. He sometimes makes outrageous comments, then when challenged he resorts to crude smug statements, which then leads to thousands of his worshippers trolling that person, saying even cruder statements until they eventually start just responding with pictures of a dog raping a pig.

 

365fx

(12 posts)
40. I think the people who criticize his tweets are the ones who already hated him
Mon May 12, 2014, 10:26 PM
May 2014

For disclosing the leaks. Greenwald had haters even before the leak because he slams abuses in both parties. We all know why Greenwald haters hate him.

 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
55. Always the victim. No one "hates" him.
Mon May 12, 2014, 11:17 PM
May 2014

I was referring to responses challenging him, no hate involved, except apparently coming from him.

Sancho

(9,071 posts)
41. ...and I'll add that it's a waste of time for some to continue personal attacks on Greenwald...
Mon May 12, 2014, 10:31 PM
May 2014

Frankly, I don't care what Greenwald personally believes (or Snowden for that matter). I only have an interest in what Greenwald publishes.

Uncovering the NSA spying was an important story for all Americans. Thanks, Greenwald and Snowden.

bobduca

(1,763 posts)
81. Fragile egos too wrapped up in "identity politics"
Tue May 13, 2014, 09:18 AM
May 2014

Because to engage in policy debates is to question the certainty of one's allegiance to the leader.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
66. I dont think it's hilarious but I agree it's sad. They are living in a denial bubble, thinking that
Tue May 13, 2014, 12:17 AM
May 2014

if they worship the oligarchs, maybe they will be given a reward.

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
52. neither
Mon May 12, 2014, 11:09 PM
May 2014

there are times he does good things, though they are always out of selfish motives, like any Ayn Rand disciple would be, but he is never someone you would trust without verifying, and never someone to idolize. The Mafia may have run Vegas well, but you never forgot they were capable of killing you at a whim.

Autumn

(45,120 posts)
80. I would love to be in a newborn nursery and steal all the binkies just to hear the babies cry
Tue May 13, 2014, 09:12 AM
May 2014

because they sound so cute. Threads like this satisfy that little guilty pleasure.

shawn703

(2,702 posts)
61. In a post earlier today, there was a quote from Greenwald
Mon May 12, 2014, 11:29 PM
May 2014

Where he said (and I'm paraphrasing), that the most explosive revelations will be coming in a few months. To me, that doesn't sound like a guy who is concerned with what's in our best interests or he would have released it when he learned about it. He's interested more in what's best for Greenwald.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
73. Let's wait and see whether there are very explosive revelations and then decide whether
Tue May 13, 2014, 12:57 AM
May 2014

those revelations are in our best interests or not.

I'm not going to judge future revelations until I know what they are. To judge them a priori is to judge them based on speculation or worse.

dionysus

(26,467 posts)
87. like him or not, snowden put his freedom in jeapordy.. as greenwalds trying to make a buck off it.
Tue May 13, 2014, 11:19 AM
May 2014

simple as that...

 

psiman

(64 posts)
67. Greenwald is a distraction
Tue May 13, 2014, 12:21 AM
May 2014

I am sad that Snowden did not choice an experienced journalist to receive the documents, one who knows how to vet an asset and build a story. Had Snowden been more wise in his selection in whom to trust, maybe hear after a year has passed we might have had some real progress for our pains instead of this endless Sturm und Drang.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
70. Snowden made Obama look bad
Tue May 13, 2014, 12:36 AM
May 2014

That's what the Sturm und Drang is all about, it wouldn't matter who the journalist might be, it could have been zombie Walter Cronkite and the Sturm would still Drang just as hard here.

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War Horse

(931 posts)
69. I'll have to go with "other" here
Tue May 13, 2014, 12:28 AM
May 2014

It would have helped if Snowden had picked someone with an actual moral compass to reveal this important info.

It should be clear to anyone that the NSA overreaches. Just how much is impossible to tell if one relies on Greenwald's convoluted writings alone, with his hyperbole and actual facts buried in the last paragraph of his articles.

I guess that's why I'm pissed off at Greenwald. Because this is a very important issue, and he seems to be only in it for himself. I may be wrong on that, and I hope I am, but that's the way it seems to me.

dionysus

(26,467 posts)
88. too narrow of a set of responses, sad\glad\other. other is too ambiguous. just my opinion though.
Tue May 13, 2014, 11:21 AM
May 2014

I think he's a self serving jerk, but he doesn't make me sad or take up much of my time.

 

psiman

(64 posts)
100. I just wish Snowden had released the documents to a competent journalist
Thu May 29, 2014, 12:12 AM
May 2014

If some experienced, knowledgeable reporter had been given the source materials he would have developed the story and published a series of solid and well substantiated analyses of the NSA practices that would have built support for a reform movement in America. Instead we got a string of sensationalist exaggerations that make it difficult to separate fact from fantasy; true believers give credence to all sorts of lurid fairytales while normal people tune out the junk and nobody listens to the government.

Thus we get handed insulting pieces of garbage like the recent "reform" bill, because nobody is taking any real steps to pressure the politicians. We have only ourselves to blame for squandering the opportunity handed to us last June, with an assist from Greenwald and his short fuse.
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