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Who would you vote for as of right now?
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Elisabeth Warren | |
54 (51%) |
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Hillary Clinton | |
13 (12%) |
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Bernie Sanders | |
31 (30%) |
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Skinner | |
1 (1%) |
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EarlG | |
0 (0%) |
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Manny | |
2 (2%) |
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WillyT | |
1 (1%) |
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n2doc | |
0 (0%) |
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Scuba | |
0 (0%) |
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George Clinton | |
3 (3%) |
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2 DU members did not wish to select any of the options provided. | |
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Scuba
(53,475 posts)Please, please don't make me be President!!! Please!!!!!
madokie
(51,076 posts)I might be holding my nose for one of them but if they were the democratic nominee I'd vote for them
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)L0oniX
(31,493 posts)Mojorabbit
(16,020 posts)NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)The desired effect is what you get when you improve your interplanetary funksmanship.
So, put a glide in your stride and a dip in your hip. And come on up to the Mothership
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Lay down your arms, pick up your feet.
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
FailureToCommunicate
(14,034 posts)(Though I hope they'd have reinforced the Washington Monument by then)
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)nyabingi
(1,145 posts)Exposethefrauds
(531 posts)InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,128 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)I do not think she is simply some kind of outside chance. For where she is at I think she is polling well when put up against Clinton. If I remember correctly she is polling just under 15% when matched with Clinton and Biden. She is not really a flame thrower and I believe this is excellent recognition for someone who is simply working to improve what is broken and often dealing with topics that are not sexy in any way for most Americans.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)name recognition and exposure massively, making her more electable in future.
LuvNewcastle
(16,867 posts)He could run as a Democrat, a Socialist, a Green, or whatever; it would make no difference to me. I'd actually volunteer for him, and I've never volunteered for a candidate in my life. But he's too old now. If he runs, he'll raise some important issues, which is great, but he will be more or less a novelty candidate. I really hope Warren runs, because there aren't too many possible candidates who I could vote for in good conscience. I want to vote for a Democrat, but there are some possible candidates who I just will not vote for.
Benton D Struckcheon
(2,347 posts)Need someone in there to get at the banks who knows what they do and how they do it. To me, this is the most important issue. The oligarchy that needs to be taken apart in this country is the banking one.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)And one plus for Sanders is that he has a lot of experience in D.C., with foreign policy and military issues, budget negotiations, etc.
But Warren would probably have a better chance of being elected -- and she doesn't have the Socialist tag associated with her name.
ananda
(28,914 posts)..
Scuba
(53,475 posts)So Rmoney would be OK with you?
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)Demon In Name Only
He's only hanging on until he can retire when Cheney gets there to take over.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)full on.....
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,128 posts). . . better the devil you know.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)and holding my nose, if not one of the above, H. Clinton.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)I guess the question only makes sense if it's for the Democratic Party nomination.
Bryant
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)L0oniX
(31,493 posts)cascadiance
(19,537 posts)... looking in.
They were trying to posit her as "the choice" to before Obama came on the stage too. At least in those days, they weren't as afraid of Obama's actions as they look at more of a populist choice in Elizabeth Warren. Obama ran on "change" to capture populist sentiment, but he didn't really define that much what "change" was and didn't really do much that was expected once he got in to office. Corporate media is working double time trying to promote Clinton as the "inevitable" this time with them feeling more threatened by someone like Warren and Sanders than they felt from Obama (or even John Edwards who I felt since perhaps was one they allowed to enter in to grab the populist votes in the primary, knowing that the PTB could pull the plug on him later which they did).
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)......Presidential candidates can't succeed without corporate support. I don't like it but that's the sad state of affairs. You're fooling yourself if you think Warren or Sanders could win without a huge amount of special interest support. Our main goal in 2016 should be to support the most electable candidate. Then, that candidate/President will get to choose 2-3 Supreme Court Justices. At that point, decisions like Citizen's United and the Voting Rights Act can be reversed. Until such a time., any Democrat in the Oval Office will remain handcuffed. The politician can't get around the system. The system must be changed first. I think both Warren and Sanders would agree with me on that point.
cascadiance
(19,537 posts)The "corporate support" is what is screwing us, and will continue to screw us until we can go door to door to our friends and neighbors and build a collective sense of why both parties have been why we are all being made poor and getting screwed, and that we can't rely on the spoonfed media and other messages to get in people that will actually try to fix the system. Hillary Clinton also supports the TPP and H-1B expansion, the latter which has been screwing me in the job market for the last 10-15 years and has kept me from having more time and flexibility to be more publicly active in trying to get change going. We are all facing that, and when independents and some more rational Republicans start to realize that, we'll know that on issues that we agree on that aren't always deemed "centrist" which really ARE the moderate positions that we all should support to fix the system, that these so-called "centrist" or "moderates" are united in opposing to keep the 1% in power that controls them now. Now, I have to run off and work and won't be able to respond until at least the end of the day now.
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)......I do not see an impending change in the apathy that has gripped the electorate. In 2008 we experienced the worst financial crisis of our lifetimes. The people didn't demand change in any significant way. The banks are bigger and by and large still unregulated. The Republicans have obstructed every attempt to address the economies ills these past 5 years, yet, polls show us that there's a 50/50 chance that we can lose the majority in the Senate this fall. HOW CAN THAT BE ? IMO, the winner in 2016 will be able to reshape the Supreme Court given the relative ages of the Justices. Therefore, in lieu of the fact the the American electorate remains out to lunch, if playing by the rules of a corporatist friendly system is what we must do to win in 2016, then so be it. Even Elizabeth Warren, if she were to win the nomination, would have to raise in excess of $1 Billion directly and be supported by $1 - $3 Billion in outside PAC money. She would not be immune. We need to shift the balance on the Supreme Court to eventually turn things around. So we agree on what needs to be done but we seem to differ on timing. I see know evidence that would tell me that the electorate is ripe for change. This fall will offer us further information as to timeline.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Dawgs
(14,755 posts)joshcryer
(62,287 posts)Not so this time.
Logical
(22,457 posts)Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)through it all for the truth. Yes, Hillary is the only one
who could win.
JHB
(37,166 posts)If the general, then the Democratic nominee, whomever that turns out to be.
wyldwolf
(43,873 posts)Clinton in the primary - but no issues at all with Warren or Sanders in the general.
No 2016 primary drama for me.
Polito Vega
(25 posts)On the internet.
bunnies
(15,859 posts)L0oniX
(31,493 posts)Zorra
(27,670 posts)and perceptive than Democrats in the general population, considering that the Revolutionary Dictatorship of the Corporations, and the plantation class, has been allowed to continue to expand, unimpeded and uncontrolled.
If Kucinich had been President for the past 5+ years, you can be sure that corporations would have been forced to get in line or leave the country, and efforts to control global warming and environmental destruction would be at the top of his agenda.
The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan would have been over in 2009, drones would still be a class of insect, and our prisons would be full of disgraced banksters.
People who are too stupid to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
Cal33
(7,018 posts)because he wasn't good-looking enough. The principles he stood for were of
secondary consideration. To me, he is a real Democrat, as are Warren and
Sanders.
I see that DU clearly has more left-of-center members than middle-of-the-roaders.
But I have no idea what the Democrats in the general population are like.
ancianita
(36,238 posts)to keep herself alive.
treestar
(82,383 posts)2014.
2naSalit
(86,968 posts)ConservativeDemocrat
(2,720 posts)Nothing wrong with that, but it illustrates how non-representative this site is.
- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)Scuba
(53,475 posts)ConservativeDemocrat
(2,720 posts)Again, I have nothing against Warren as a nominee. She's actually quite a bit more centrist than many of those swooning over her right now apparently know. But the fact that HRC, who is going to be the nominee, comes in third on a D.U. poll says something. And not about her. About many of the most prolific people who chat on the DU.
- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)Cal33
(7,018 posts)Last edited Fri Apr 18, 2014, 05:57 PM - Edit history (1)
a conservative Democrat, democracy would also die, but more slowly. This is
what I am afraid of. You obviously don't see that we are in critical danger
right now. I do.
Many already feel that America is no longer a democracy -- they already think
that we've become an oligarchy.
http://billmoyers.com/2014/03/27/the-koch-brothers-and-the-danger-of-american-plutocracy/
ConservativeDemocrat
(2,720 posts)Plenty of people live in their own little bubble of non-reality, imagining that since everyone else in their personal world agrees with them politically, there is no possible way any election which their side looses could possibly be fair and/or democratic. Where I come from, crying about election-fraud, the lame-stream media, and the US of A going to hell because of "those" people, all is a hallmark of the right, not the left. Why some people are absolutely convinced that millions of Mexicans all came illegally and headed straight to the voting booths to put that Obama into office!
Democrats are generally better than this. Generally. But if you really think democracy is dying, what are you personally doing to stop that from happening? I guarantee you, there are a lot of Democratic candidates out there who would welcome your support on their campaigns. Think about that and see if you can rise off your easy chair, to go pitch in.
- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)Cal33
(7,018 posts)DU right here, shows that something of democracy is still alive. But with both
Houses of Congress and the White House in the hands of Republicans, all freedom
of expression will soon disappear.
G.W. Bush came somewhat close to it the last time. They didn't try to push it all
the way, because they probably felt that the chances of succeeding weren't yet ripe.
But since the time of Bush, Corporate America has come much further along. As
said above, if they have the White House and both Houses of Congress this time,
they could very well go all the way.
By the same token, if Democrats should have both Houses of Congress and the
White House in 2016, we should go all the way with a left-of-center president.
It might be our last chance. The Republicans have less to fear, Democrats will
always allow them their freedom. We are not out to kill Republicans the way they
have been trying to kill Obama and the Democratic Party -- and they know they
will live to fight their way another day.
The opposite is not true. If Democrats lose this time, dictatorship will soon be
staring at us in the face. This is what will happen when we have too many
greedy Al Capones holding high positions in government and private industry.
This is the main difference between Democrats and present-day Republicans.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)Should prove to be another shitty election for me as I'm pretty sure America's only choices will once again be Corporatist "D" or Corporatist "R".
LuvNewcastle
(16,867 posts)I don't think Americans are fed up enough yet. Things are going to have to get a lot worse before they start to look beyond the same old mainstream pablum. As long as they have The Bachelor and Survivor and their chips and Budweiser, they'll continue to look for change from the people who created this mess.
NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)From a public news media that validates only the "chosen ones", gerrymandered districts that operate as intended regardless of actual vote totals, voter suppression legislation all over the place, to easily compromised voting equipment with intentionally inadequate means for validating vote totals. While we fight for Democracy for others in the world (particularly those in oil rich countries), we neglect to see that we lost our Democracy here at home a long time ago. I'd say our voting system is "a shame"...but in reality, "a sham" is probably more appropriate.
LuvNewcastle
(16,867 posts)All we do is vote for the people who are told what to do by the MIC and intelligence agencies. That won't change, either, as long as people are so disengaged. I wonder what will finally set people off and get them involved. I also wonder if it's already too late to do anything about it.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)Warren or Sander's
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)is my top pick.
brooklynite
(95,012 posts)Or does that not matter?
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)I believe Sanders can win a national election.
I am not so sure that many thought Obama could when he ran but look what happened.
#believe
brooklynite
(95,012 posts)...or as liberal as Sanders.
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)would never win.
But people responded to his message, he ran a great campaign, people came out to vote, and, well, the rest is history.
It can happen again.
#believe
brooklynite
(95,012 posts)...for a candidate who meets an acceptable political threshold.
A self-avowed Socialist doesn't.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)I am far more concerned with focusing on 2014.
brooklynite
(95,012 posts)GoCubsGo
(32,103 posts)malthaussen
(17,241 posts)L0oniX
(31,493 posts)malthaussen
(17,241 posts)I'll have to emulate the good Mr Romney and establish residence in some other DU's basement so I can vote again.
-- Mal
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)Iggo
(47,599 posts)Ranked: Warren, Sanders, Clinton. (Pretty much how the poll is shaping up, coincidentally-ish.)
LoisB
(7,256 posts)LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)Not interested in Ms. $250k Per Speech.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)brooklynite
(95,012 posts)...Ohio? Virginia? Florida? North Carolina? Colorado?
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)tabbycat31
(6,336 posts)My parents (both staunch Democrats) have already said they would not vote for Warren should she run for president. If she does not have my parents, she's DOA.
It seems that many on this board are fine with Walter Mondale type numbers if the Democrat is progressive enough for them. I don't vote for unelectable candidates.
TheKentuckian
(25,035 posts)tabbycat31
(6,336 posts)The only other Democrat they don't like is NYC mayor Bill DeBlasio.
TheKentuckian
(25,035 posts)Are your folks against basic economic fairness and transparency in transactions?
I'd argue Warren's positions are mostly common sense and mostly revolve around clear disclosure. I don't see how decent folks oppose such things, even Republicans used to believe in such things, now we have Democrats who viscerally reject any anti fleecing efforts.
I don't mean to be offensive but I don't get your folks here, it seems they are operating either out of ignorance, fear to the point of paranoia, or motivated by avarice.
What the he'll has Warren pushed that decent folks would oppose?
GOPee
(58 posts)..aren't Progressive enough to vote for Warren or Sanders. I'm tired of arguing with them. I'm afraid to press my own children who will not answer the question and won't fess up enough to say the same thing, because they know I'm ill, and don't want to cause me the stress.
They are about to change their party, and their position on Obama, being too Liberal, because of their new conditions, and higher costs of insurance. I don't understand, they are on board on everything else, pro life, immigration, separation of church and state, corporate spending, etc, but can't get by ACA.
TheKentuckian
(25,035 posts)Particularly Warren who wasn't even in office.
GOPee
(58 posts)but my sisters think it is socialism, my brother doesn't know much but he listens to my sister. She knows Sanders is a socialist, and Warren talks too progressive for her taste. We never had these arguments in the past, and they were big Obama supporters until they tackled the problems that started with the website and now with insurance, of their higher costs and doubling of their deductibles.
TheKentuckian
(25,035 posts)is not much of a fit.
This is one of the reasons the deal stinks, just get the Democrats to push the Heritage Foundation plan and it can be framed as "socialism" and we can have the wild west or nothing except for the rich.
tabbycat31
(6,336 posts)And they think people like her and Bill DeBlasio (who they can't stand) are way too far to the left. They're Democrats but centrist Democrats.
I personally like Warren, and the 2008 me would have voted for her in the primaries (maybe as late as 2010). But I don't see her winning electorally AT ALL (I'm thinking a Kerry performance AT BEST, but more realistically an ass kicking). In 2008, Obama expanded the electoral map by putting states like Virginia and North Carolina in play. I just don't see her expanding the map at all.
I work for Democratic campaigns, I'm around Democrats 24/7. Most of the people I work with think she will carry only the bluest of the blue states (CA, NY, etc) if she were the nominee. I'd rather have a candidate that has a shot at winning and not setting us back 50 years by giving the GOP some Supreme Court vacancies. I don't want a Walter Mondale for party purity's sake. Call me a sellout if you must, but I've mostly worked in purple to red states and I know what kind of Democrats can win these conservative states and districts. She has no appeal to southern independent voters.
And also if Fox and their minions have branded Obama as a socialist, imagine what they'll do to her.
Besides all this is a moot point because she has said repeatedly that she's not running.
betterdemsonly
(1,967 posts)and don't believe in lesser evil, so if Warren won't commit it is Bernie all the way for me.
mvd
(65,187 posts)Warren: would be nice to have a woman and probably a better campaigner than Sanders. My #1 from the list
Sanders: even more liberal than Warren but may be a bit risky to run him right now
Hillary: also a woman which is a plus, but would she be more liberal than Obama? Likely not and may be more conservative on some issues. She may bring fight to the table but that's not enough to make her my #1.
Demo_Chris
(6,234 posts)mylye2222
(2,992 posts)I will never forget her and her men to have helped defeat Kerry in 2004 with behind doors manoeuvers to have get her seat stay hot for 2008 PRIMARIES;
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)by the way....Hillary STILL has a commanding lead over ALL possible Republicans.
That's called "having an Ace in the hole"....
It is what it is...
Oh and in Elizabeth Warren 's new book...SHE praises Hillary Clinton!
You all better stop worrying about Who the fuck is the next Pres Candidate...and START worrying about HOW we beat Republicans in the Midterms....
Otherwise...it won't matter IF it is Elizabeth Warren or Bernie Sanders.....if we don't control the House....we are fucked even then.
Logical
(22,457 posts)need to remember, Hillary can fuck up a lead quicker than anyone.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)your wishing it wasn't notwithstanding...
Logical
(22,457 posts)ChangeUp106
(549 posts)But it may not be pretty and that's because the party needs to change. Can't keep offering Republican light because voters will take the real thing. I don't see that happening in time for November. If not, then we need to start by selecting a leader in the WH like Warren or Bernie.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)you will be gravely disappointed no matter who it is...particularly if we don't win back the House in '14....
Vashta Nerada
(3,922 posts)Hillary doesn't look like she's popular here!
Spider Jerusalem
(21,786 posts)In the primaries? Depends who the candidates are. Possibly Sanders if he runs in the Democratic primary (and his presence on the ballot isn't challenged by state Democratic parties). He won't get the nomination (it'll be Hillary, if she runs).
Prophet 451
(9,796 posts)I'm a Brit so obviously can't vote in your elections but of teh three, I like Bernie best. That may be because I don't know much about Warren though.
intheflow
(28,521 posts)But since I could only chose one, I chose the younger of the two, and also the non-Independent. Sadly, though, I'm pretty sure we're going to get Hillary rammed down our throats.
stage left
(2,967 posts)but I will vote for whoever is the Democratic nominee for President.
ChangeUp106
(549 posts)Warren/Sanders 2016 would be a big-time ticket. I don't think Bernie can beat Hillary but I absolutely believe Warren can.
If I was the deciding vote however, I think Bernie best represents my own views and I would select him. That's no knock on Warren. I love her as much as everyone else. Bernie is just a little bit ahead in my eyes.
TheKentuckian
(25,035 posts)This is a legit liberal who has demonstrated the ability to win a statewide general election in a swing state and a real track record.
I'd go with Bernie next. I like Bernie more but 20 years and Vermont vs. Ohio is tough to overcome.
I like Warren but consider her to have too many spots where I'm not sure of where she stands.
I also tend think the shitty political environment makes her seem leftist when she really is just a moderate that believes in a fair shake for everyone. More a throwback to the pre - Reagan era, middle of the road than flaming liberal.
In any event, any of those three would need one of the others or someone even more frightening to the establishment and robber barons to keep them alive and kicking. Ticket balance my ass, we'd need a big insurance policy.
Clinton and that set? Suicidal long term but noticeably less immediately stupidly dangerous than a theocratic Tea idiot, more of a slower boil for our frog in the pot. Perhaps more truly dangerous to any future though as I have little doubt we'd see a continuation of the deliberalization of the party and assimilating more personality driven folks to the corporate/imperialism/security state bulls hit fold leaving us with ever less ability to change the tune from 'Fiddle while Rome Burns'.
All three further handicap the Senate and give the corporate owned machine Democrats to sneak a turd into the punch bowl, which brings us back to the newly vastly understated obstacle to really getting at problems, the Senate.
Not this one in particular but as an institution in general though somewhat disguised by the advent of the nutter House over the last several years but over time it has proven to the check on people power.
When the Republicans control it, matters are worse but it is seldom
I believe on the flip side of that coin, if we could get the rights folks in their much of the other nonsense would get weeded out under advise and consent, oversight powers, and sheer ability to gum up the works in addition to legislative function.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)And many recommendations too.
Jasana
(490 posts)mahina
(17,772 posts)Believe.
mylye2222
(2,992 posts)The good and reasonnable choice for me.
And once those too great people elected. .. Please keep Kerry as Sos.
And Please. .. who is George Clinton?
Txs to all. Peace.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)let's not kids ourselves, most of us will vote for the dem candidate regardless of who they are
Spirochete
(5,264 posts)but I'd be fine with Warren, too. A couple others I liked, but not sure they're that widely known. But they'd be good at the bottom of the ticket, then could run in 2024.
Sanders/Scuba 2016!
or
Warren/Manny 2016
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Because any democratic candidate will be a million times better than any repig theocratic teabagger.
So I will have to pass.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)Manny or Scuba.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)L0oniX
(31,493 posts)SteveG
(3,109 posts)Second Bernie and third Hillary, but I will vote for the Democrat who wins the nomination in any event, and since I will then be retired, I will be able to work hard for that nominees election.
Hutzpa
(11,461 posts)I like that, wtg DU
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)I guess you could expect that from a conservative.
Hutzpa
(11,461 posts)Last edited Mon Apr 28, 2014, 04:27 PM - Edit history (1)
for DU to be overwhelmingly swinging toward Warren means a lot, this shows that people are beginning to warm up to her
and she has been showing signs of stability and aggression especially her fight with the banksters.
#letsgowarren
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)banks (don't) work. She will need a decent Congress to get anything done, but if she were to win, that target would have to be in range as well.
dionysus
(26,467 posts)it to the general. I like Warren a lot too, but I don't know if she would either.
if it came down between Hillary and a repuke it's Hillary all the way.
Exposethefrauds
(531 posts)the rest, not so much.
joshcryer
(62,287 posts)Fails consistently to back progressive legislation.
Hope Wyden runs, I'd vote for him in this poll but he is not an option.
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Beacool
(30,254 posts)Warren has repeatedly said that she has no interest in running. I don't think that she's trying to be coy.
Sanders has as much chance as I do to become president.
Whatever...........
loyalsister
(13,390 posts)Does age not matter at all? I know some may interpret this as agist. I've had this conversation with women (the same age as Hillary, etc) who have served in the state legislature. They know how exhausting it is to hold office, and what it means to want to finally relax a little. We're talking about people who have and continue to serve this country well. I have a hard time thinking that they are going to want to take on the toughest job in the world long past the age many people would like to retire.
The presidency is absolutely grueling.
I can't imagine anyone would deny that Obama's, Clinton's, and Kennedy's relative youth was a factor in their elections.
Our bodies eventually break down unless we're planning to gamble on the possibility of "living forever" I think we would do well to make sure that we have other candidates to look at.
That said, I am going to vote for the Democratic nominee.