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L0oniX

(31,493 posts)
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 08:52 AM Apr 2014

Warren, Clinton, Sanders, etc. Who would you vote for?

Last edited Fri Apr 18, 2014, 11:09 AM - Edit history (2)

Who would you vote for as of right now?


105 votes, 2 passes | Time left: Unlimited
Elisabeth Warren
54 (51%)
Hillary Clinton
13 (12%)
Bernie Sanders
31 (30%)
Skinner
1 (1%)
EarlG
0 (0%)
Manny
2 (2%)
WillyT
1 (1%)
n2doc
0 (0%)
Scuba
0 (0%)
George Clinton
3 (3%)
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Warren, Clinton, Sanders, etc. Who would you vote for? (Original Post) L0oniX Apr 2014 OP
EliZabeth Warren. Scuba Apr 2014 #1
Anyone of the three actually madokie Apr 2014 #2
George Clinton... he def brings da funk. HooptieWagon Apr 2014 #3
He's doing a show here this weekend. L0oniX Apr 2014 #4
Saw him last year. Great show! nt Mojorabbit Apr 2014 #127
The Cabinet would be the P-Funk Allstars NightWatcher Apr 2014 #8
George Clinton (F) ..."Parliament" Funkadelic (political) party L0oniX Apr 2014 #11
P-Funk could easily settle Ukraine Crisis with a massive funk jam. HooptieWagon Apr 2014 #13
He already laid out his plans... Dr Hobbitstein Apr 2014 #23
Bootsy Collins for Secretary of State!!...nt SidDithers Apr 2014 #122
Oh, I would DEFINITELY go to THAT inaugural! FailureToCommunicate Apr 2014 #24
Bootsie for VP L0oniX Apr 2014 #44
That I would vote for! Love Bootsie! sabrina 1 Apr 2014 #86
Yessir! With Bootsy as Vice! nyabingi Apr 2014 #52
George and Bootsy in 16! Exposethefrauds Apr 2014 #90
The only Clinton I would vote for. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2014 #132
If the primaries were today my vote would go to Warren. NCTraveler Apr 2014 #5
Even if she didn't win, running would up her Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2014 #105
If Bernie was at least 10 years younger, I'd support him all the way. LuvNewcastle Apr 2014 #6
Like Sanders, prefer Warren. Benton D Struckcheon Apr 2014 #7
Me too. My first choice would be Warren, but Sanders is a very close second. JDPriestly Apr 2014 #10
Anyone who is not Ted Cruz and Rand Paul. ananda Apr 2014 #9
Lowest bar ever. Scuba Apr 2014 #12
So Satan is ok with you? L0oniX Apr 2014 #14
Satan is a Democrat? VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #101
Well, he IS a DINO-- Jackpine Radical Apr 2014 #106
No I think he is a card carrying Republican..... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #109
I would vote for Satan over ANY Republican . . . InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2014 #133
Dr. Warren, Bernie Sanders heaven05 Apr 2014 #15
Looks like George has a chance against Hillary. L0oniX Apr 2014 #17
For the Democratic Party nomination or for President? el_bryanto Apr 2014 #16
Hillary is the only Democrat capable of winning in 2016 IMO. Trust Buster Apr 2014 #18
Tell that to George. L0oniX Apr 2014 #20
The corporate media certainly have constructed this meme now with Elizabeth Warren on the fringe... cascadiance Apr 2014 #49
The media is irrelevant.....particularly since Citizen's United... Trust Buster Apr 2014 #58
And tell me how supporting candidates that PUSH in stealth the TPP is going to help us... cascadiance Apr 2014 #62
I essentially agree with everything you just said but...... Trust Buster Apr 2014 #68
The people thought they were voting for significant change when they voted for Mr. Obama in 2008. Enthusiast Apr 2014 #89
Heard the same thing in 2008, until Hillary couldn't even win the nom. n/t Dawgs Apr 2014 #53
+1000 nt Logical Apr 2014 #65
Clintons poll numbers were crap this far out. joshcryer Apr 2014 #130
LOL, good one! Nt Logical Apr 2014 #61
True Dat ! Takes a relative newbee to cut Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2014 #81
In a primary or general election? JHB Apr 2014 #19
Either of them wyldwolf Apr 2014 #21
Warren is now as popular as Kucinich was last time Polito Vega Apr 2014 #22
Clever. bunnies Apr 2014 #25
...only this time the flying saucer is going to land on Wallstreet. L0oniX Apr 2014 #50
That pretty much proves that many Democrats on the internet are more intelligent Zorra Apr 2014 #57
I had the feeling that Kucinich didn't win the Democratic nomination partially Cal33 Apr 2014 #115
She, next to Obama, would be the most threatened president. I don't trust that Warren knows how ancianita Apr 2014 #26
Irrelevant treestar Apr 2014 #27
Warren AND Sanders on same ticket. nt 2naSalit Apr 2014 #28
This shows where the DU is compared to the rest of the party (and nation) ConservativeDemocrat Apr 2014 #29
Fact check that did ya? L0oniX Apr 2014 #46
Just managing expectations. Scuba Apr 2014 #51
Do you need it spelled out? ConservativeDemocrat Apr 2014 #78
Yea go ahead ...spell it out. L0oniX Apr 2014 #85
With another Republican as president, democracy in America would soon be dead. With Cal33 Apr 2014 #116
Democracy does not "die" when you lose an election... ConservativeDemocrat Apr 2014 #120
Democracy is already dead. The dead just don't know it yet. L0oniX Apr 2014 #131
Well, the very fact that we can still write and offer criticism on a site such as Cal33 Apr 2014 #134
Yes the zombies will still vote. L0oniX Apr 2014 #136
Either Warren or Sanders for me. I have no interest in the others listed. NorthCarolina Apr 2014 #30
That's just how I feel. LuvNewcastle Apr 2014 #31
The reality is that the voting system in the US is rigged on so many levels. NorthCarolina Apr 2014 #32
You're right; we don't have a democracy. LuvNewcastle Apr 2014 #67
We have the best democracy money can buy. L0oniX Apr 2014 #75
either Howler Apr 2014 #33
Of those, Sanders bigwillq Apr 2014 #34
Do you honestly believe that Sanders can win a national election? brooklynite Apr 2014 #38
Yes bigwillq Apr 2014 #39
Obama never presented himself as a Socialist... brooklynite Apr 2014 #59
But still many thought that a one-term, Black Senator bigwillq Apr 2014 #74
I don't deny that a well-run campaign is important... brooklynite Apr 2014 #76
I did not provide a vote, as ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #35
Hard to vote for Warren since she doesn't want to run... brooklynite Apr 2014 #36
Yup. n/t GoCubsGo Apr 2014 #42
I'm appalled Manny isn't on the ballot.:) n/t malthaussen Apr 2014 #37
He was but I changed it ...and now back by popular demand. L0oniX Apr 2014 #43
Aw, I already voted. malthaussen Apr 2014 #45
Unlike using a Diebold voting machine ...you can change your vote here. L0oniX Apr 2014 #48
If those were the choices in the Democratic Primary, then Warren all the way. Iggo Apr 2014 #40
Either Warren or Sanders would be fine with me. LoisB Apr 2014 #41
Warren or Sanders pls LittleBlue Apr 2014 #47
Sanders and Warren would be a great ticket. Manny & Scuba a close second. Hillary..LOL. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2014 #54
Well, they'd take Vermont, DC and Massachusetts... brooklynite Apr 2014 #60
I hope we find out. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2014 #63
This tabbycat31 Apr 2014 #96
What are their objections? TheKentuckian Apr 2014 #99
'too liberal' tabbycat31 Apr 2014 #108
Why would they think that? Are there particular policies they can't swallow? TheKentuckian Apr 2014 #121
I'm sorry to say my Democratic voting sisters and brother, GOPee Apr 2014 #123
What does RomneyCare have to offer do with Warren or Sanders above any other Democrat? TheKentuckian Apr 2014 #124
Nothing directly GOPee Apr 2014 #125
They need to figure out what socialism is because being indentured to for profit corporations TheKentuckian Apr 2014 #138
Bottom line is they're not populists tabbycat31 Apr 2014 #139
I only vote for progressives betterdemsonly Apr 2014 #55
I chose Warren mvd Apr 2014 #56
Can't and wont get behind Hillary. nt Demo_Chris Apr 2014 #64
Cound't too go with her! mylye2222 Apr 2014 #100
I am a Democrat and I vote for whoever wins the Dem Primary... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #66
LOL, how soon you forget Hillary at one point had a 27 point lead over Obama. You.... Logical Apr 2014 #77
So how does this effect the FACT that for now that is the truth? VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #82
Like I said, she will find a way to make someone else look GREAT! nt Logical Apr 2014 #84
2014 is important ChangeUp106 Apr 2014 #80
You are STILL expecting a Miracle Worker....a Hero....a Messiah.... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #83
How about Bernie Sanders with Warren as his running mate? Vashta Nerada Apr 2014 #69
In the general election? The Democratic nominee, whoever that is. Spider Jerusalem Apr 2014 #70
Can't vote Prophet 451 Apr 2014 #71
It's a tie between Warren and Sanders. intheflow Apr 2014 #72
I love Bernie stage left Apr 2014 #73
In a Perfect World ChangeUp106 Apr 2014 #79
I think Sherrod Brown makes the most sense and should be drafted. TheKentuckian Apr 2014 #87
I agree ...Warren would only take the party left to where it used to be ...pre Reagan. L0oniX Apr 2014 #94
This thread should have full participation. Enthusiast Apr 2014 #88
Warren is my first pick. Sanders is my second. K&R nt. Jasana Apr 2014 #91
Martin O'Mally mahina Apr 2014 #92
Warren with Sanders as VP running mate. mylye2222 Apr 2014 #93
Hillary Clinton is my current first choice. eom MohRokTah Apr 2014 #95
warren, clinton, sanders, martin o'malley. La Lioness Priyanka Apr 2014 #97
I went for Sanders Spirochete Apr 2014 #98
I don't see a "any democratic candidate" button workinclasszero Apr 2014 #102
It's also missing an autolockstep button. L0oniX Apr 2014 #103
I can't make up my mind-- Jackpine Radical Apr 2014 #104
Why do you think I didn't enter Skittles? L0oniX Apr 2014 #110
She'd really kick ass in the Primaries! Jackpine Radical Apr 2014 #112
I would vote for Skittles! Marrah_G Apr 2014 #117
Everyone would. L0oniX Apr 2014 #118
First Choice Warren SteveG Apr 2014 #107
wow, an overwhelming Warren vote Hutzpa Apr 2014 #111
I've been told by a conservative DU member that this DU poll does not represent most Dems. L0oniX Apr 2014 #113
Regardless of what the ConservaDems may think Hutzpa Apr 2014 #114
Going with Liz since she has insider knowledge of how Eleanors38 Apr 2014 #119
where's the "all of them" option? i'd vote Bernie first, in a primary, but i don't think he'd make dionysus Apr 2014 #126
Only Sanders, Warren and George Clinton are worthy of my vote and support Exposethefrauds Apr 2014 #128
Assuming a primary vote. Warren = Third Way Udall. joshcryer Apr 2014 #129
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2014 #135
Oh please, another poll on this issue? Beacool Apr 2014 #137
From a practical perspective loyalsister Apr 2014 #140

madokie

(51,076 posts)
2. Anyone of the three actually
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 08:56 AM
Apr 2014

I might be holding my nose for one of them but if they were the democratic nominee I'd vote for them

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
8. The Cabinet would be the P-Funk Allstars
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 09:19 AM
Apr 2014

The desired effect is what you get when you improve your interplanetary funksmanship.

So, put a glide in your stride and a dip in your hip. And come on up to the Mothership

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
13. P-Funk could easily settle Ukraine Crisis with a massive funk jam.
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 09:27 AM
Apr 2014

Lay down your arms, pick up your feet.

FailureToCommunicate

(14,034 posts)
24. Oh, I would DEFINITELY go to THAT inaugural!
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 10:27 AM
Apr 2014

(Though I hope they'd have reinforced the Washington Monument by then)

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
5. If the primaries were today my vote would go to Warren.
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 09:02 AM
Apr 2014

I do not think she is simply some kind of outside chance. For where she is at I think she is polling well when put up against Clinton. If I remember correctly she is polling just under 15% when matched with Clinton and Biden. She is not really a flame thrower and I believe this is excellent recognition for someone who is simply working to improve what is broken and often dealing with topics that are not sexy in any way for most Americans.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
105. Even if she didn't win, running would up her
Fri Apr 18, 2014, 11:26 AM
Apr 2014

name recognition and exposure massively, making her more electable in future.

LuvNewcastle

(16,867 posts)
6. If Bernie was at least 10 years younger, I'd support him all the way.
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 09:13 AM
Apr 2014

He could run as a Democrat, a Socialist, a Green, or whatever; it would make no difference to me. I'd actually volunteer for him, and I've never volunteered for a candidate in my life. But he's too old now. If he runs, he'll raise some important issues, which is great, but he will be more or less a novelty candidate. I really hope Warren runs, because there aren't too many possible candidates who I could vote for in good conscience. I want to vote for a Democrat, but there are some possible candidates who I just will not vote for.

Benton D Struckcheon

(2,347 posts)
7. Like Sanders, prefer Warren.
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 09:13 AM
Apr 2014

Need someone in there to get at the banks who knows what they do and how they do it. To me, this is the most important issue. The oligarchy that needs to be taken apart in this country is the banking one.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
10. Me too. My first choice would be Warren, but Sanders is a very close second.
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 09:22 AM
Apr 2014

And one plus for Sanders is that he has a lot of experience in D.C., with foreign policy and military issues, budget negotiations, etc.

But Warren would probably have a better chance of being elected -- and she doesn't have the Socialist tag associated with her name.

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
106. Well, he IS a DINO--
Fri Apr 18, 2014, 11:28 AM
Apr 2014

Demon In Name Only…

He's only hanging on until he can retire when Cheney gets there to take over.

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
16. For the Democratic Party nomination or for President?
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 09:58 AM
Apr 2014

I guess the question only makes sense if it's for the Democratic Party nomination.

Bryant

 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
49. The corporate media certainly have constructed this meme now with Elizabeth Warren on the fringe...
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 12:02 PM
Apr 2014

... looking in.

They were trying to posit her as "the choice" to before Obama came on the stage too. At least in those days, they weren't as afraid of Obama's actions as they look at more of a populist choice in Elizabeth Warren. Obama ran on "change" to capture populist sentiment, but he didn't really define that much what "change" was and didn't really do much that was expected once he got in to office. Corporate media is working double time trying to promote Clinton as the "inevitable" this time with them feeling more threatened by someone like Warren and Sanders than they felt from Obama (or even John Edwards who I felt since perhaps was one they allowed to enter in to grab the populist votes in the primary, knowing that the PTB could pull the plug on him later which they did).

 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
58. The media is irrelevant.....particularly since Citizen's United...
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 12:23 PM
Apr 2014

......Presidential candidates can't succeed without corporate support. I don't like it but that's the sad state of affairs. You're fooling yourself if you think Warren or Sanders could win without a huge amount of special interest support. Our main goal in 2016 should be to support the most electable candidate. Then, that candidate/President will get to choose 2-3 Supreme Court Justices. At that point, decisions like Citizen's United and the Voting Rights Act can be reversed. Until such a time., any Democrat in the Oval Office will remain handcuffed. The politician can't get around the system. The system must be changed first. I think both Warren and Sanders would agree with me on that point.

 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
62. And tell me how supporting candidates that PUSH in stealth the TPP is going to help us...
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 12:32 PM
Apr 2014

The "corporate support" is what is screwing us, and will continue to screw us until we can go door to door to our friends and neighbors and build a collective sense of why both parties have been why we are all being made poor and getting screwed, and that we can't rely on the spoonfed media and other messages to get in people that will actually try to fix the system. Hillary Clinton also supports the TPP and H-1B expansion, the latter which has been screwing me in the job market for the last 10-15 years and has kept me from having more time and flexibility to be more publicly active in trying to get change going. We are all facing that, and when independents and some more rational Republicans start to realize that, we'll know that on issues that we agree on that aren't always deemed "centrist" which really ARE the moderate positions that we all should support to fix the system, that these so-called "centrist" or "moderates" are united in opposing to keep the 1% in power that controls them now. Now, I have to run off and work and won't be able to respond until at least the end of the day now.

 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
68. I essentially agree with everything you just said but......
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 12:57 PM
Apr 2014

......I do not see an impending change in the apathy that has gripped the electorate. In 2008 we experienced the worst financial crisis of our lifetimes. The people didn't demand change in any significant way. The banks are bigger and by and large still unregulated. The Republicans have obstructed every attempt to address the economies ills these past 5 years, yet, polls show us that there's a 50/50 chance that we can lose the majority in the Senate this fall. HOW CAN THAT BE ? IMO, the winner in 2016 will be able to reshape the Supreme Court given the relative ages of the Justices. Therefore, in lieu of the fact the the American electorate remains out to lunch, if playing by the rules of a corporatist friendly system is what we must do to win in 2016, then so be it. Even Elizabeth Warren, if she were to win the nomination, would have to raise in excess of $1 Billion directly and be supported by $1 - $3 Billion in outside PAC money. She would not be immune. We need to shift the balance on the Supreme Court to eventually turn things around. So we agree on what needs to be done but we seem to differ on timing. I see know evidence that would tell me that the electorate is ripe for change. This fall will offer us further information as to timeline.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
89. The people thought they were voting for significant change when they voted for Mr. Obama in 2008.
Fri Apr 18, 2014, 05:00 AM
Apr 2014
Change was the main campaign theme.
 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
81. True Dat ! Takes a relative newbee to cut
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 11:52 PM
Apr 2014

through it all for the truth. Yes, Hillary is the only one
who could win.

JHB

(37,166 posts)
19. In a primary or general election?
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 09:59 AM
Apr 2014

If the general, then the Democratic nominee, whomever that turns out to be.

wyldwolf

(43,873 posts)
21. Either of them
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 10:07 AM
Apr 2014

Clinton in the primary - but no issues at all with Warren or Sanders in the general.

No 2016 primary drama for me.

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
57. That pretty much proves that many Democrats on the internet are more intelligent
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 12:21 PM
Apr 2014

and perceptive than Democrats in the general population, considering that the Revolutionary Dictatorship of the Corporations, and the plantation class, has been allowed to continue to expand, unimpeded and uncontrolled.

If Kucinich had been President for the past 5+ years, you can be sure that corporations would have been forced to get in line or leave the country, and efforts to control global warming and environmental destruction would be at the top of his agenda.

The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan would have been over in 2009, drones would still be a class of insect, and our prisons would be full of disgraced banksters.

People who are too stupid to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

 

Cal33

(7,018 posts)
115. I had the feeling that Kucinich didn't win the Democratic nomination partially
Fri Apr 18, 2014, 05:03 PM
Apr 2014

because he wasn't good-looking enough. The principles he stood for were of
secondary consideration. To me, he is a real Democrat, as are Warren and
Sanders.

I see that DU clearly has more left-of-center members than middle-of-the-roaders.
But I have no idea what the Democrats in the general population are like.

ancianita

(36,238 posts)
26. She, next to Obama, would be the most threatened president. I don't trust that Warren knows how
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 10:45 AM
Apr 2014

to keep herself alive.

ConservativeDemocrat

(2,720 posts)
29. This shows where the DU is compared to the rest of the party (and nation)
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 10:53 AM
Apr 2014

Nothing wrong with that, but it illustrates how non-representative this site is.

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

ConservativeDemocrat

(2,720 posts)
78. Do you need it spelled out?
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 11:25 PM
Apr 2014

Again, I have nothing against Warren as a nominee. She's actually quite a bit more centrist than many of those swooning over her right now apparently know. But the fact that HRC, who is going to be the nominee, comes in third on a D.U. poll says something. And not about her. About many of the most prolific people who chat on the DU.

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

 

Cal33

(7,018 posts)
116. With another Republican as president, democracy in America would soon be dead. With
Fri Apr 18, 2014, 05:19 PM
Apr 2014

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a conservative Democrat, democracy would also die, but more slowly. This is
what I am afraid of. You obviously don't see that we are in critical danger
right now. I do.

Many already feel that America is no longer a democracy -- they already think
that we've become an oligarchy.

http://billmoyers.com/2014/03/27/the-koch-brothers-and-the-danger-of-american-plutocracy/

ConservativeDemocrat

(2,720 posts)
120. Democracy does not "die" when you lose an election...
Fri Apr 18, 2014, 08:01 PM
Apr 2014

Plenty of people live in their own little bubble of non-reality, imagining that since everyone else in their personal world agrees with them politically, there is no possible way any election which their side looses could possibly be fair and/or democratic. Where I come from, crying about election-fraud, the lame-stream media, and the US of A going to hell because of "those" people, all is a hallmark of the right, not the left. Why some people are absolutely convinced that millions of Mexicans all came illegally and headed straight to the voting booths to put that Obama into office!

Democrats are generally better than this. Generally. But if you really think democracy is dying, what are you personally doing to stop that from happening? I guarantee you, there are a lot of Democratic candidates out there who would welcome your support on their campaigns. Think about that and see if you can rise off your easy chair, to go pitch in.

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

 

Cal33

(7,018 posts)
134. Well, the very fact that we can still write and offer criticism on a site such as
Sun Apr 20, 2014, 10:26 AM
Apr 2014

DU right here, shows that something of democracy is still alive. But with both
Houses of Congress and the White House in the hands of Republicans, all freedom
of expression will soon disappear.

G.W. Bush came somewhat close to it the last time. They didn't try to push it all
the way, because they probably felt that the chances of succeeding weren't yet ripe.
But since the time of Bush, Corporate America has come much further along. As
said above, if they have the White House and both Houses of Congress this time,
they could very well go all the way.

By the same token, if Democrats should have both Houses of Congress and the
White House in 2016, we should go all the way with a left-of-center president.
It might be our last chance. The Republicans have less to fear, Democrats will
always allow them their freedom. We are not out to kill Republicans the way they
have been trying to kill Obama and the Democratic Party -- and they know they
will live to fight their way another day.

The opposite is not true. If Democrats lose this time, dictatorship will soon be
staring at us in the face. This is what will happen when we have too many
greedy Al Capones holding high positions in government and private industry.

This is the main difference between Democrats and present-day Republicans.

 

NorthCarolina

(11,197 posts)
30. Either Warren or Sanders for me. I have no interest in the others listed.
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 10:54 AM
Apr 2014

Should prove to be another shitty election for me as I'm pretty sure America's only choices will once again be Corporatist "D" or Corporatist "R".

LuvNewcastle

(16,867 posts)
31. That's just how I feel.
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 11:06 AM
Apr 2014

I don't think Americans are fed up enough yet. Things are going to have to get a lot worse before they start to look beyond the same old mainstream pablum. As long as they have The Bachelor and Survivor and their chips and Budweiser, they'll continue to look for change from the people who created this mess.

 

NorthCarolina

(11,197 posts)
32. The reality is that the voting system in the US is rigged on so many levels.
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 11:16 AM
Apr 2014

From a public news media that validates only the "chosen ones", gerrymandered districts that operate as intended regardless of actual vote totals, voter suppression legislation all over the place, to easily compromised voting equipment with intentionally inadequate means for validating vote totals. While we fight for Democracy for others in the world (particularly those in oil rich countries), we neglect to see that we lost our Democracy here at home a long time ago. I'd say our voting system is "a shame"...but in reality, "a sham" is probably more appropriate.

LuvNewcastle

(16,867 posts)
67. You're right; we don't have a democracy.
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 12:56 PM
Apr 2014

All we do is vote for the people who are told what to do by the MIC and intelligence agencies. That won't change, either, as long as people are so disengaged. I wonder what will finally set people off and get them involved. I also wonder if it's already too late to do anything about it.

 

bigwillq

(72,790 posts)
39. Yes
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 11:43 AM
Apr 2014

I believe Sanders can win a national election.

I am not so sure that many thought Obama could when he ran but look what happened.

#believe

 

bigwillq

(72,790 posts)
74. But still many thought that a one-term, Black Senator
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 08:08 PM
Apr 2014

would never win.

But people responded to his message, he ran a great campaign, people came out to vote, and, well, the rest is history.

It can happen again.

#believe

brooklynite

(95,012 posts)
76. I don't deny that a well-run campaign is important...
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 10:07 PM
Apr 2014

...for a candidate who meets an acceptable political threshold.

A self-avowed Socialist doesn't.

malthaussen

(17,241 posts)
45. Aw, I already voted.
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 11:56 AM
Apr 2014

I'll have to emulate the good Mr Romney and establish residence in some other DU's basement so I can vote again.

-- Mal

Iggo

(47,599 posts)
40. If those were the choices in the Democratic Primary, then Warren all the way.
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 11:49 AM
Apr 2014

Ranked: Warren, Sanders, Clinton. (Pretty much how the poll is shaping up, coincidentally-ish.)

tabbycat31

(6,336 posts)
96. This
Fri Apr 18, 2014, 10:52 AM
Apr 2014

My parents (both staunch Democrats) have already said they would not vote for Warren should she run for president. If she does not have my parents, she's DOA.

It seems that many on this board are fine with Walter Mondale type numbers if the Democrat is progressive enough for them. I don't vote for unelectable candidates.

TheKentuckian

(25,035 posts)
121. Why would they think that? Are there particular policies they can't swallow?
Sat Apr 19, 2014, 08:29 AM
Apr 2014

Are your folks against basic economic fairness and transparency in transactions?

I'd argue Warren's positions are mostly common sense and mostly revolve around clear disclosure. I don't see how decent folks oppose such things, even Republicans used to believe in such things, now we have Democrats who viscerally reject any anti fleecing efforts.

I don't mean to be offensive but I don't get your folks here, it seems they are operating either out of ignorance, fear to the point of paranoia, or motivated by avarice.

What the he'll has Warren pushed that decent folks would oppose?

GOPee

(58 posts)
123. I'm sorry to say my Democratic voting sisters and brother,
Sat Apr 19, 2014, 01:15 PM
Apr 2014

..aren't Progressive enough to vote for Warren or Sanders. I'm tired of arguing with them. I'm afraid to press my own children who will not answer the question and won't fess up enough to say the same thing, because they know I'm ill, and don't want to cause me the stress.

They are about to change their party, and their position on Obama, being too Liberal, because of their new conditions, and higher costs of insurance. I don't understand, they are on board on everything else, pro life, immigration, separation of church and state, corporate spending, etc, but can't get by ACA.

TheKentuckian

(25,035 posts)
124. What does RomneyCare have to offer do with Warren or Sanders above any other Democrat?
Sat Apr 19, 2014, 03:38 PM
Apr 2014

Particularly Warren who wasn't even in office.

GOPee

(58 posts)
125. Nothing directly
Sat Apr 19, 2014, 10:37 PM
Apr 2014

but my sisters think it is socialism, my brother doesn't know much but he listens to my sister. She knows Sanders is a socialist, and Warren talks too progressive for her taste. We never had these arguments in the past, and they were big Obama supporters until they tackled the problems that started with the website and now with insurance, of their higher costs and doubling of their deductibles.

TheKentuckian

(25,035 posts)
138. They need to figure out what socialism is because being indentured to for profit corporations
Sun Apr 20, 2014, 02:54 PM
Apr 2014

is not much of a fit.

This is one of the reasons the deal stinks, just get the Democrats to push the Heritage Foundation plan and it can be framed as "socialism" and we can have the wild west or nothing except for the rich.

tabbycat31

(6,336 posts)
139. Bottom line is they're not populists
Mon Apr 21, 2014, 03:55 PM
Apr 2014

And they think people like her and Bill DeBlasio (who they can't stand) are way too far to the left. They're Democrats but centrist Democrats.

I personally like Warren, and the 2008 me would have voted for her in the primaries (maybe as late as 2010). But I don't see her winning electorally AT ALL (I'm thinking a Kerry performance AT BEST, but more realistically an ass kicking). In 2008, Obama expanded the electoral map by putting states like Virginia and North Carolina in play. I just don't see her expanding the map at all.

I work for Democratic campaigns, I'm around Democrats 24/7. Most of the people I work with think she will carry only the bluest of the blue states (CA, NY, etc) if she were the nominee. I'd rather have a candidate that has a shot at winning and not setting us back 50 years by giving the GOP some Supreme Court vacancies. I don't want a Walter Mondale for party purity's sake. Call me a sellout if you must, but I've mostly worked in purple to red states and I know what kind of Democrats can win these conservative states and districts. She has no appeal to southern independent voters.

And also if Fox and their minions have branded Obama as a socialist, imagine what they'll do to her.

Besides all this is a moot point because she has said repeatedly that she's not running.

 

betterdemsonly

(1,967 posts)
55. I only vote for progressives
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 12:11 PM
Apr 2014

and don't believe in lesser evil, so if Warren won't commit it is Bernie all the way for me.

mvd

(65,187 posts)
56. I chose Warren
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 12:18 PM
Apr 2014

Warren: would be nice to have a woman and probably a better campaigner than Sanders. My #1 from the list

Sanders: even more liberal than Warren but may be a bit risky to run him right now

Hillary: also a woman which is a plus, but would she be more liberal than Obama? Likely not and may be more conservative on some issues. She may bring fight to the table but that's not enough to make her my #1.

 

mylye2222

(2,992 posts)
100. Cound't too go with her!
Fri Apr 18, 2014, 11:17 AM
Apr 2014

I will never forget her and her men to have helped defeat Kerry in 2004 with behind doors manoeuvers to have get her seat stay hot for 2008 PRIMARIES;

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
66. I am a Democrat and I vote for whoever wins the Dem Primary...
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 12:51 PM
Apr 2014

by the way....Hillary STILL has a commanding lead over ALL possible Republicans.

That's called "having an Ace in the hole"....

It is what it is...

Oh and in Elizabeth Warren 's new book...SHE praises Hillary Clinton!

You all better stop worrying about Who the fuck is the next Pres Candidate...and START worrying about HOW we beat Republicans in the Midterms....

Otherwise...it won't matter IF it is Elizabeth Warren or Bernie Sanders.....if we don't control the House....we are fucked even then.

 

Logical

(22,457 posts)
77. LOL, how soon you forget Hillary at one point had a 27 point lead over Obama. You....
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 10:53 PM
Apr 2014

need to remember, Hillary can fuck up a lead quicker than anyone.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
82. So how does this effect the FACT that for now that is the truth?
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 11:59 PM
Apr 2014

your wishing it wasn't notwithstanding...

ChangeUp106

(549 posts)
80. 2014 is important
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 11:46 PM
Apr 2014

But it may not be pretty and that's because the party needs to change. Can't keep offering Republican light because voters will take the real thing. I don't see that happening in time for November. If not, then we need to start by selecting a leader in the WH like Warren or Bernie.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
83. You are STILL expecting a Miracle Worker....a Hero....a Messiah....
Fri Apr 18, 2014, 12:01 AM
Apr 2014

you will be gravely disappointed no matter who it is...particularly if we don't win back the House in '14....

 

Vashta Nerada

(3,922 posts)
69. How about Bernie Sanders with Warren as his running mate?
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 01:00 PM
Apr 2014

Hillary doesn't look like she's popular here!

 

Spider Jerusalem

(21,786 posts)
70. In the general election? The Democratic nominee, whoever that is.
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 01:06 PM
Apr 2014

In the primaries? Depends who the candidates are. Possibly Sanders if he runs in the Democratic primary (and his presence on the ballot isn't challenged by state Democratic parties). He won't get the nomination (it'll be Hillary, if she runs).

Prophet 451

(9,796 posts)
71. Can't vote
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 01:50 PM
Apr 2014

I'm a Brit so obviously can't vote in your elections but of teh three, I like Bernie best. That may be because I don't know much about Warren though.

intheflow

(28,521 posts)
72. It's a tie between Warren and Sanders.
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 06:02 PM
Apr 2014

But since I could only chose one, I chose the younger of the two, and also the non-Independent. Sadly, though, I'm pretty sure we're going to get Hillary rammed down our throats.

ChangeUp106

(549 posts)
79. In a Perfect World
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 11:41 PM
Apr 2014

Warren/Sanders 2016 would be a big-time ticket. I don't think Bernie can beat Hillary but I absolutely believe Warren can.

If I was the deciding vote however, I think Bernie best represents my own views and I would select him. That's no knock on Warren. I love her as much as everyone else. Bernie is just a little bit ahead in my eyes.

TheKentuckian

(25,035 posts)
87. I think Sherrod Brown makes the most sense and should be drafted.
Fri Apr 18, 2014, 01:26 AM
Apr 2014

This is a legit liberal who has demonstrated the ability to win a statewide general election in a swing state and a real track record.

I'd go with Bernie next. I like Bernie more but 20 years and Vermont vs. Ohio is tough to overcome.

I like Warren but consider her to have too many spots where I'm not sure of where she stands.

I also tend think the shitty political environment makes her seem leftist when she really is just a moderate that believes in a fair shake for everyone. More a throwback to the pre - Reagan era, middle of the road than flaming liberal.

In any event, any of those three would need one of the others or someone even more frightening to the establishment and robber barons to keep them alive and kicking. Ticket balance my ass, we'd need a big insurance policy.

Clinton and that set? Suicidal long term but noticeably less immediately stupidly dangerous than a theocratic Tea idiot, more of a slower boil for our frog in the pot. Perhaps more truly dangerous to any future though as I have little doubt we'd see a continuation of the deliberalization of the party and assimilating more personality driven folks to the corporate/imperialism/security state bulls hit fold leaving us with ever less ability to change the tune from 'Fiddle while Rome Burns'.

All three further handicap the Senate and give the corporate owned machine Democrats to sneak a turd into the punch bowl, which brings us back to the newly vastly understated obstacle to really getting at problems, the Senate.
Not this one in particular but as an institution in general though somewhat disguised by the advent of the nutter House over the last several years but over time it has proven to the check on people power.

When the Republicans control it, matters are worse but it is seldom

I believe on the flip side of that coin, if we could get the rights folks in their much of the other nonsense would get weeded out under advise and consent, oversight powers, and sheer ability to gum up the works in addition to legislative function.

 

mylye2222

(2,992 posts)
93. Warren with Sanders as VP running mate.
Fri Apr 18, 2014, 06:42 AM
Apr 2014

The good and reasonnable choice for me.



And once those too great people elected. .. Please keep Kerry as Sos.

And Please. .. who is George Clinton?

Txs to all. Peace.

 

La Lioness Priyanka

(53,866 posts)
97. warren, clinton, sanders, martin o'malley.
Fri Apr 18, 2014, 10:56 AM
Apr 2014

let's not kids ourselves, most of us will vote for the dem candidate regardless of who they are

Spirochete

(5,264 posts)
98. I went for Sanders
Fri Apr 18, 2014, 11:08 AM
Apr 2014

but I'd be fine with Warren, too. A couple others I liked, but not sure they're that widely known. But they'd be good at the bottom of the ticket, then could run in 2024.

Sanders/Scuba 2016!

or

Warren/Manny 2016

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
102. I don't see a "any democratic candidate" button
Fri Apr 18, 2014, 11:21 AM
Apr 2014

Because any democratic candidate will be a million times better than any repig theocratic teabagger.

So I will have to pass.

SteveG

(3,109 posts)
107. First Choice Warren
Fri Apr 18, 2014, 11:30 AM
Apr 2014

Second Bernie and third Hillary, but I will vote for the Democrat who wins the nomination in any event, and since I will then be retired, I will be able to work hard for that nominees election.

 

L0oniX

(31,493 posts)
113. I've been told by a conservative DU member that this DU poll does not represent most Dems.
Fri Apr 18, 2014, 03:18 PM
Apr 2014

I guess you could expect that from a conservative.

Hutzpa

(11,461 posts)
114. Regardless of what the ConservaDems may think
Fri Apr 18, 2014, 03:34 PM
Apr 2014

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for DU to be overwhelmingly swinging toward Warren means a lot, this shows that people are beginning to warm up to her
and she has been showing signs of stability and aggression especially her fight with the banksters.

#letsgowarren

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
119. Going with Liz since she has insider knowledge of how
Fri Apr 18, 2014, 07:56 PM
Apr 2014

banks (don't) work. She will need a decent Congress to get anything done, but if she were to win, that target would have to be in range as well.

dionysus

(26,467 posts)
126. where's the "all of them" option? i'd vote Bernie first, in a primary, but i don't think he'd make
Sat Apr 19, 2014, 10:40 PM
Apr 2014

it to the general. I like Warren a lot too, but I don't know if she would either.

if it came down between Hillary and a repuke it's Hillary all the way.

joshcryer

(62,287 posts)
129. Assuming a primary vote. Warren = Third Way Udall.
Sun Apr 20, 2014, 06:39 AM
Apr 2014

Fails consistently to back progressive legislation.

Hope Wyden runs, I'd vote for him in this poll but he is not an option.

Response to L0oniX (Original post)

Beacool

(30,254 posts)
137. Oh please, another poll on this issue?
Sun Apr 20, 2014, 01:41 PM
Apr 2014

Warren has repeatedly said that she has no interest in running. I don't think that she's trying to be coy.

Sanders has as much chance as I do to become president.

Whatever...........

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
140. From a practical perspective
Mon Apr 21, 2014, 04:51 PM
Apr 2014

Does age not matter at all? I know some may interpret this as agist. I've had this conversation with women (the same age as Hillary, etc) who have served in the state legislature. They know how exhausting it is to hold office, and what it means to want to finally relax a little. We're talking about people who have and continue to serve this country well. I have a hard time thinking that they are going to want to take on the toughest job in the world long past the age many people would like to retire.

The presidency is absolutely grueling.
I can't imagine anyone would deny that Obama's, Clinton's, and Kennedy's relative youth was a factor in their elections.

Our bodies eventually break down unless we're planning to gamble on the possibility of "living forever" I think we would do well to make sure that we have other candidates to look at.

That said, I am going to vote for the Democratic nominee.

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