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Cooley Hurd

(26,877 posts)
Sun Mar 9, 2014, 09:20 AM Mar 2014

60 Years Ago tonight: Edward R Murrow called out Joe McCarthy



"No one familiar with the history of his country can deny that Congressional committees are useful. It is necessary to investigate before legislating. But the line between investigating and persecuting is a very fine one, and the junior senator from Wisconsin has stepped over it repeatedly."

Good night, and good luck.
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60 Years Ago tonight: Edward R Murrow called out Joe McCarthy (Original Post) Cooley Hurd Mar 2014 OP
and the exploiters of fear are out in even greater numbers today. hobbit709 Mar 2014 #1
Corporate Media Thespian2 Mar 2014 #2
That was back in a day when people still had shame over behaving in a ridiculous loudsue Mar 2014 #3
Yep, that's the difference. Cruz is called out loudly and often. tridim Mar 2014 #7
Ah, the free press. I remember it fondly. Scuba Mar 2014 #4
Because they DARED to question Conservatism, they were the "Liberal Media"! Cooley Hurd Mar 2014 #6
spot on. n/t Soylent Brice Mar 2014 #27
Time to watch, or watch again, Good Night, And Good Luck. merrily Mar 2014 #5
David Straitharn channels Murrow. longship Mar 2014 #14
A GREAT movie that sealed George Clooney's fate as a dangerous radical! Cooley Hurd Mar 2014 #15
Supposedly, Hoover gave the names to McCarthy. merrily Mar 2014 #43
Many of the performances were very good, but his merrily Mar 2014 #16
I haven't seen it... awoke_in_2003 Mar 2014 #34
I'm confident in saying you will enjoy it. merrily Mar 2014 #46
''No one can terrorize a whole nation, unless we are all his accomplices.'' -- Edward R. Murrow Octafish Mar 2014 #8
We have accomplices to this very day... Cooley Hurd Mar 2014 #12
And tonight, 60 Minutes will interview the survivor of a crocodile attack hatrack Mar 2014 #9
Given 60 Minutes recent track record... Cooley Hurd Mar 2014 #13
Great one! merrily Mar 2014 #17
Even back then CBS were spineless dicks Ratty Mar 2014 #26
I was only three but I remember this left is right Mar 2014 #10
That's impressive. I don't remember anything from when I was three, with merrily Mar 2014 #18
I think it depends upon one's parents, and how much importance ScreamingMeemie Mar 2014 #33
You're exactly right, because my parents placed a lot of importance merrily Mar 2014 #35
No, I was not alive then. I was 3 when Nixon declared his noncrookedness. ScreamingMeemie Mar 2014 #39
Okay, it was another poster. (Reply 10) merrily Mar 2014 #42
It took a moment to recognize him. MarianJack Mar 2014 #11
Sad, isn't it? nt awoke_in_2003 Mar 2014 #36
Yep! MarianJack Mar 2014 #45
We need Edward R. Murrow just as much (perhaps even more) today! Martin Eden Mar 2014 #19
Who can be the Edward R Murrow we need today? TNNurse Mar 2014 #20
Well, Keith Olbermann was my original choice, now returned to ESPN's genre... MrMickeysMom Mar 2014 #22
KO was a beacon when the rest of the Media failed us... Cooley Hurd Mar 2014 #23
INdeed... MrMickeysMom Mar 2014 #25
Same here... awoke_in_2003 Mar 2014 #38
This is why one of the 1st things we should do once we get CCFR, COMPLETE CAMPAIGN Dustlawyer Mar 2014 #21
+1million Cooley Hurd Mar 2014 #24
Campaign finance reform now will require a Constitutional Amendment. merrily Mar 2014 #40
"..the line between investigating and persecuting.." Now, we have the NSA. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2014 #28
There are those who are fans of McCarthy tactics quinnox Mar 2014 #29
Are you speaking of TNNurse Mar 2014 #30
Yes, them and others quinnox Mar 2014 #31
I think a link to this post goes nicely here: woo me with science Mar 2014 #32
That was before corporate media completely destroyed Rex Mar 2014 #37
I am starting to feel besieged from every direction. merrily Mar 2014 #41
Ed Murrow, today, would be calling out the Republicans..... AverageJoe90 Mar 2014 #44

Thespian2

(2,741 posts)
2. Corporate Media
Sun Mar 9, 2014, 09:52 AM
Mar 2014

In today's world, Edward R. Murrow would not be hired by any of the six corporations that control the media.

loudsue

(14,087 posts)
3. That was back in a day when people still had shame over behaving in a ridiculous
Sun Mar 9, 2014, 09:53 AM
Mar 2014

manner. Now, 1/3 of our population are PROUD to be bat-shit crazy.

tridim

(45,358 posts)
7. Yep, that's the difference. Cruz is called out loudly and often.
Sun Mar 9, 2014, 10:04 AM
Mar 2014

Nobody who votes for him, cares.

 

Cooley Hurd

(26,877 posts)
6. Because they DARED to question Conservatism, they were the "Liberal Media"!
Sun Mar 9, 2014, 10:02 AM
Mar 2014

Of course, any good journalists job is to REPORT the TRUTH. But Conservatives can't handle TRUTH when it calls their philosophy into question (which has been, traditionally, on the wrong side of History).

merrily

(45,251 posts)
5. Time to watch, or watch again, Good Night, And Good Luck.
Sun Mar 9, 2014, 09:59 AM
Mar 2014

A worthwhile and enjoyable movie, directed by George Clooney. (He has a relatively small part in the movie. He said he did it because he thought it would help box office.

longship

(40,416 posts)
14. David Straitharn channels Murrow.
Sun Mar 9, 2014, 10:38 AM
Mar 2014

It's a very good flick. All the more effective because it uses actual footage and was filmed in black and white. But Straitharn is amazing.

R&K

 

Cooley Hurd

(26,877 posts)
15. A GREAT movie that sealed George Clooney's fate as a dangerous radical!
Sun Mar 9, 2014, 10:42 AM
Mar 2014

What is stunning to me that History has given its verdict regarding McCarthy - pretty unanimously - yet the hard-core right still thinks he did good things. Talk about DIVORCED from REALITY!

merrily

(45,251 posts)
43. Supposedly, Hoover gave the names to McCarthy.
Sun Mar 9, 2014, 02:48 PM
Mar 2014

Even if you went to one meeting, it seems that loon (Hoover or McCarthy pick one) had your name.

I don't think gooing to a meeting was even against the law then, though. The Communist Party was preaching fairness to workers and racial equality. (Whether they meant it or not is a different issue.) So, of course liberals would look into it.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
16. Many of the performances were very good, but his
Sun Mar 9, 2014, 10:45 AM
Mar 2014

was the best. I've read that he is "an actor's actor." Also that he lives way far from Hollywood and doesn't seem to care how much money he makes. (That movie was, of course, made on a small budget.) Casting director's dream.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
8. ''No one can terrorize a whole nation, unless we are all his accomplices.'' -- Edward R. Murrow
Sun Mar 9, 2014, 10:06 AM
Mar 2014

Thus, Corporate McPravda today would never allow an Edward R. Murrow anywhere near a live microphone.

Thank you, Cooley Hurd. You grok the situation, my Friend.

Ratty

(2,100 posts)
26. Even back then CBS were spineless dicks
Sun Mar 9, 2014, 12:04 PM
Mar 2014

From Wikipedia:

On March 9, 1954, Murrow, Friendly, and their news team produced a half-hour See It Now special entitled "A Report on Senator Joseph McCarthy".[13] Murrow used excerpts from McCarthy's own speeches and proclamations to criticize the senator and point out episodes where he had contradicted himself. Murrow and Friendly paid for their own newspaper advertisement for the program; they were not allowed to use CBS's money for the publicity campaign or even use the CBS logo.

Nevertheless, the broadcast contributed to a nationwide backlash against McCarthy and is seen as a turning point in the history of television. It provoked tens of thousands of letters, telegrams, and phone calls to CBS headquarters, running 15 to 1 in favor.[14] In a retrospective produced for Biography, Friendly noted how truck drivers pulled up to Murrow on the street in subsequent days and shouted "Good show, Ed. Good show, Ed."

left is right

(1,665 posts)
10. I was only three but I remember this
Sun Mar 9, 2014, 10:22 AM
Mar 2014

I remember McCarthy as a scary, angry man. I have always said that scary man was one of the incidents that propelled me into being a life-long Democrat. (Growing up—both my parents were Republicans and remained that way until the 2nd administration of Nixon)

merrily

(45,251 posts)
18. That's impressive. I don't remember anything from when I was three, with
Sun Mar 9, 2014, 10:49 AM
Mar 2014

the single exception of having swallowed a big ole safety pin and my parents making me sit on my potty. even though they had just toilet trained me. I remember being afraid because it was confusing. I guess I would have been two or three? No clue. (TMI?)

But politics? Not even close.

ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
33. I think it depends upon one's parents, and how much importance
Sun Mar 9, 2014, 02:03 PM
Mar 2014

they placed upon events maybe.

I was 3 when Nixon's "I am not a crook" Q&A with the press happened. I remember sitting on the (ugly) brown patterned linoleum floor of our living room when my father (a Nixon supporter) said,"You are seeing history happen."

I was 4 when Hank Aaron trotted into the outfield for the Brewers at County Stadium, and my father said,"Someday you'll be able to tell your kids and grandkids that you saw one of the greatest ballplayers ever to play the game play the game..."

merrily

(45,251 posts)
35. You're exactly right, because my parents placed a lot of importance
Sun Mar 9, 2014, 02:29 PM
Mar 2014

on my swallowing a huge safety pin. In hindsight, maybe they weren't sure if it was closed? I remember my father squatting in front of me and pretending to be straining for a bowel movement, to show me what he wanted. I can feel the confusion again. (I assume that they praised me a lot for getting trained, and here I was again, back to square 1, at their insistence!)

Sorry, but I am too tired to open another window and check: Did you say in your prior post that you were three for the calling out of McCarthy by Murrow? Or was it some other event?

I always wanted to have seen Ruth. Read a biography of him when I was in elementary school because my teacher said I was reading too much fiction.

Thing is, biographers back then pretty much wrote fiction, too. They saw their jobs as making the subject a hero, no warts showing. (How times change.) Read Sandburg's two volume biography of Lincoln at the same time for the same reason. An impressionable kid reading the glowing stories fell in love with both of them and am still in love with both of them, even though I've since learned about some of the warts. First love never goes away entirely.

ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
39. No, I was not alive then. I was 3 when Nixon declared his noncrookedness.
Sun Mar 9, 2014, 02:33 PM
Mar 2014


I was almost 5 when Saigon fell. I was 4 (almost 5) when Hank Aaron returned to Milwaukee to finish his career.

My father was only 9 when McCarthy ran rampant and Murrow called him out on it.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
42. Okay, it was another poster. (Reply 10)
Sun Mar 9, 2014, 02:42 PM
Mar 2014

Otherwise, it would have been a hell of a third year. They say time goes by much more slowly when you're a kid (true), but that would have been ridiculous.

MarianJack

(10,237 posts)
45. Yep!
Sun Mar 9, 2014, 06:00 PM
Mar 2014

It's scary to think of how many people today remember freaking Tim Russert so fondly after he was admittedly OK with sea!thy media owners having him push their be and his obsessions with President Clinton's penis!

PEACE!

Martin Eden

(12,845 posts)
19. We need Edward R. Murrow just as much (perhaps even more) today!
Sun Mar 9, 2014, 11:00 AM
Mar 2014

A respected voice is listened to; do we have any television journalist of his stature today, with so wide an audience?

TNNurse

(6,926 posts)
20. Who can be the Edward R Murrow we need today?
Sun Mar 9, 2014, 11:02 AM
Mar 2014

Rachel Maddow? Jon Stewart? Charlie Rose? Melissa Harris-Perry?

Any suggestions??

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
22. Well, Keith Olbermann was my original choice, now returned to ESPN's genre...
Sun Mar 9, 2014, 11:15 AM
Mar 2014

And, it's too bad, because if anyone were capable of emulating Edward R Morrow, it was Olbermann.

Here's an excerpt from one of his "Special Comments":

"Here, as promised, a Special Comment about free speech, failed Speakers, and the delusion of grandeur.

'This is a serious long-term war', the man at the podium cried, 'and it will inevitably lead us to want to know what is said in every suspect place in the country.'

Some in the audience must have thought they were hearing an arsonist give the keynote address at a convention of firefighters.

This was the annual Loeb First Amendment Dinner in Manchester, New Hampshire - a public cherishing of freedom of speech - in the state with the two-fisted motto 'Live Free or Die.' And the arsonist at the microphone,m the former Speaker of the House, Newt Gingrich, was insisting that we must attach an 'on-off button' to free speech…"

 

Cooley Hurd

(26,877 posts)
23. KO was a beacon when the rest of the Media failed us...
Sun Mar 9, 2014, 11:25 AM
Mar 2014

He kicked the establishment in the balls. He is one of my heroes because of it. Whatever he will do, moving forward, he will be legendary, much in the same way as Ed Murrow is today.

Dustlawyer

(10,494 posts)
21. This is why one of the 1st things we should do once we get CCFR, COMPLETE CAMPAIGN
Sun Mar 9, 2014, 11:10 AM
Mar 2014

FINANCE REFORM and PUBLICLY FUNDED ELECTIONS is to bust up the media conglomerates and the big Wall Street banks! We cannot unwashed all of those corrupted brains without a free, independent press. Only then will Networks hire the next Edward R. Murrow or Walter Cronkite!

 

Cooley Hurd

(26,877 posts)
24. +1million
Sun Mar 9, 2014, 11:28 AM
Mar 2014

The Corporatocracy is not concerned with freedom or Democracy. It's concerned with PROFIT. As long as this is the case, our country is doomed to the dustbin of history.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
40. Campaign finance reform now will require a Constitutional Amendment.
Sun Mar 9, 2014, 02:35 PM
Mar 2014

No constitutional amendment that is even a little controversial has been ratified since the Eisenhower Administration. Even something as simple as equal rights for women did not make it past the RW in the 1970s for ratification.

This is a hell of a lot more controversial than the ERA was and the right wing is nuttier than ever. And never mind ratification, this won't make it out of Congress.

So, while I would very much like reform, I don't know how it will happen.

 

quinnox

(20,600 posts)
29. There are those who are fans of McCarthy tactics
Sun Mar 9, 2014, 12:34 PM
Mar 2014

even today. Usually authoritarian types, lock steppers.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
37. That was before corporate media completely destroyed
Sun Mar 9, 2014, 02:31 PM
Mar 2014

investigative journalism for the TVEE. Now they are all corporate sponsors that answer to their producers.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
41. I am starting to feel besieged from every direction.
Sun Mar 9, 2014, 02:38 PM
Mar 2014

The cure for the feeling is usually to get off the message board for a while and do something unrelated to current issues. I don't know the cure for the besieging, though.

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
44. Ed Murrow, today, would be calling out the Republicans.....
Sun Mar 9, 2014, 02:54 PM
Mar 2014

For fawning over Putin just so they could bash Obama.

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