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Douglas Carpenter

(20,226 posts)
Sun Mar 9, 2014, 12:57 AM Mar 2014

If Sen Sanders runs as a Democrat - do you believe he could win the nomination and go on and win the

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General Election?


As a disclaimer of my own bias - Because Sen. Bernie Sanders has such incredible persuasive abilities and is able to explain the progressive social democratic perspective in such practical bread and butter terms that more often than not - he at least wins the respect of even many conservatives and because issue by issue he is more in tune with the vast majority of ordinary Americans than any major candidate in recent memory - Yes, I personally do believe it is possible he could win the Democratic Party nomination and go on to win the general election. However, I think it is more likely that he would have a strong influence that could bring back progressivism into the mainstream of national political discussion for the first time in more than a generation.












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He has no better of a chance of winning the Democratic nomination and becoming President than I do.
18 (36%)
He has a chance to win the Democratic Party nomination and go on and win the general election - but only the most farfetched and remote chance
6 (12%)
If his campaign can mobilize all the true believers in the primaries like McGovern did in 1972 - he could conceivably win the nomination - but he would be solidly defeated in the general election.
2 (4%)
Yes, it is well within the range of possibility. Bernie can win.
24 (48%)
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If Sen Sanders runs as a Democrat - do you believe he could win the nomination and go on and win the (Original Post) Douglas Carpenter Mar 2014 OP
No because he won't have a party behind him, elleng Mar 2014 #1
Other... he will win the general if he can manage to get the nomination. winter is coming Mar 2014 #2
I have no idea and neither does anyone else. Gravitycollapse Mar 2014 #3
But which way would you bet? BillZBubb Mar 2014 #5
Gambling on odds you don't know is throwing your money away. Gravitycollapse Mar 2014 #9
I remember in '99 thinking there was no fucking way in hell the population in this country could adirondacker Mar 2014 #17
I remember saying that Reagan was the only Republiican Carter could beat. 1980. Jackpine Radical Mar 2014 #52
He has a better chance of winning the nomination than I do. OilemFirchen Mar 2014 #4
He could perhaps win the primary but not the general Prophet 451 Mar 2014 #6
And Hillary is a whole 6 years younger! Bluenorthwest Mar 2014 #34
Hillary LOOKS younger though Prophet 451 Mar 2014 #49
I think the opposite -- I think winning the primary would be harder for Nay Mar 2014 #64
I think he could win the Dem nomination. Cali_Democrat Mar 2014 #7
Really? OilemFirchen Mar 2014 #13
It's definitely not likely, but there's a small chance IMO. Cali_Democrat Mar 2014 #15
I guess nothing's impossible, but much is improbable. OilemFirchen Mar 2014 #16
Do you think he'd bludgeon Hillary in the debates? MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #21
LOL Manny Cali_Democrat Mar 2014 #24
"out for the count" "bludgeon" boston bean Mar 2014 #30
Inside joke MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #41
do you think Hillary has no debating skills? VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #58
Her skills are reasonable MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #62
You do not give her NEARLY enough credit....you forget...she has been married to Bill Clinton VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #63
You can say that again Vanilla. Auntie Bush Mar 2014 #73
No chance. BillZBubb Mar 2014 #8
OTHER - I don't think he'll run as a Dem demwing Mar 2014 #10
Hmm... technically that would be Teddy MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #22
Also.... Cali_Democrat Mar 2014 #11
Bernie's the guy (Independent Socialist) who suggested Obama be primaried in '12. Tarheel_Dem Mar 2014 #12
He is simply not corrupt enough. And I don't want him to be. aquart Mar 2014 #14
honestly, it depends DonCoquixote Mar 2014 #18
"Hillary, Imperatrix Americana" MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #23
My pleasure DonCoquixote Mar 2014 #25
It's probably unlikely, given the political machinery, Blue_In_AK Mar 2014 #19
It is absolutely unlikely PATRICK Mar 2014 #32
He could absolutely win if he had a fair chance to compete on the issues. woo me with science Mar 2014 #20
The corporate machine is why imo he shouldn't waste time on the party... polichick Mar 2014 #86
Considering the number fed up with both establishment parties and the independents, he could. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2014 #26
all he will do is guarantee a president PAUL MFM008 Mar 2014 #27
I'm horrified that there's so much faith-based, rather than evidence-based, thinking on DU. Donald Ian Rankin Mar 2014 #28
yes, it is possible that he could win. Not necessarily likely but well within the range of Douglas Carpenter Mar 2014 #35
just like all those fools that thought Obama could win Enrique Mar 2014 #37
No, not like that at all. Donald Ian Rankin Mar 2014 #39
Half of the pro-Sanders vote is just one group's attempt to wind up another BeyondGeography Mar 2014 #57
Now it's up to 109. Beacool Mar 2014 #89
Better chance that I quaker bill Mar 2014 #29
You hit it on the nose left is right Mar 2014 #40
political extremiust from either party have no chance beachbum bob Mar 2014 #31
I bet he wins the New Hampshire primary or at least comes close and wins at least a few other Douglas Carpenter Mar 2014 #48
It's legal to spend millions on ads lying about our Bernie mucifer Mar 2014 #33
nail meet hammer 30cal Mar 2014 #51
And those ads are probably already being planned. n/t winter is coming Mar 2014 #71
If you look back on DU or in the press to 2006 or2007, the theme around Obama for Bluenorthwest Mar 2014 #36
Of course he could, because what he sells and always has, is what Americans want too. Evidence: Jefferson23 Mar 2014 #38
depends entirely on the preponderance of open primaries reddread Mar 2014 #42
The people who can win Presidential primaries and elections are puppets 30cal Mar 2014 #43
I don't think he has much of a chance--but I also thought Barrack Obama had a funny name librechik Mar 2014 #44
Difference is Obama can serve $10,000 plate dinners 30cal Mar 2014 #50
go Bernie! go Bernie! go Bernie! go Bernie! n/t wildbilln864 Mar 2014 #45
He will not be allowed to win. Hell Hath No Fury Mar 2014 #46
Given at this point 2006 the nomination WAS Hillary's Johonny Mar 2014 #47
I'm not even sure the Democratic Party should allow someone who just joined the party treestar Mar 2014 #53
I think primary voters should be allowed to decide whether or not that's an issue. winter is coming Mar 2014 #72
Of course they will treestar Mar 2014 #81
If he had been caucusing with the Republicans, I'd agree. winter is coming Mar 2014 #83
Roughly the same chance in the General Election as I have of being a 1st round NFL draft pick. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2014 #54
He would never win the Primary. Jackpine Radical Mar 2014 #55
It sucks, but no one who self-identifies as a "Socialist" is going to win a national election ... 11 Bravo Mar 2014 #56
Picking through memories of the 2008 primary... krispos42 Mar 2014 #59
I love me some Bernie Sanders.... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #60
Dennis Kucinich has a little too much of a counterculture image. Sen. Sanders comes off more as an Douglas Carpenter Mar 2014 #66
Oh yeah....you don't think being a "Socialist" isn't going to come off as "counter-culture"? VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #67
one of the most valuable functions his race might be able to achieve is that he might be able to Douglas Carpenter Mar 2014 #75
As I said....I support Bernie Sanders...do I think he is capable of garnishing enough votes to win? VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #79
+1 treestar Mar 2014 #82
but Kucinich and Sanders are NOT the same. They hold similar political views. But stylistically Douglas Carpenter Mar 2014 #84
I can't see it as remotely likely. First, he is not a Democrat, MineralMan Mar 2014 #61
Naaah. He can impact the conversation, sure, but he can't take the prize. MADem Mar 2014 #65
Pass. Chan790 Mar 2014 #68
Well of course he cannot! Earth_First Mar 2014 #69
No chance in hell. Nt hack89 Mar 2014 #70
Bernie Sanders (D-VT) WhaTHellsgoingonhere Mar 2014 #74
They won't let him win (despite the votes). He's not Centrist/Right Wing enough. nt valerief Mar 2014 #76
No. nt Deep13 Mar 2014 #77
i'd love a president sanders, but i don't underestimate the control the empowered few have here. Adam051188 Mar 2014 #78
The best way to tell if Bernie has a chance? winter is coming Mar 2014 #80
one last kick Douglas Carpenter Mar 2014 #85
I despise politicians who jump parties just to win elections. n/t Orsino Mar 2014 #87
so, I take that as a "yes" Douglas Carpenter Mar 2014 #88
I think it's still a no... Orsino Mar 2014 #90
this might be worth one more Douglas Carpenter Mar 2014 #91

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
2. Other... he will win the general if he can manage to get the nomination.
Sun Mar 9, 2014, 01:02 AM
Mar 2014

And it's too early to judge where his chances of winning the nomination fall between "far-fetched" and "well within the range of possibility".

Gravitycollapse

(8,155 posts)
9. Gambling on odds you don't know is throwing your money away.
Sun Mar 9, 2014, 01:14 AM
Mar 2014

I remember at one time in late 2007 I really believed Giuliani would be the next president. After the election, I decided I'd never ever make such early predictions ever again.

adirondacker

(2,921 posts)
17. I remember in '99 thinking there was no fucking way in hell the population in this country could
Sun Mar 9, 2014, 01:41 AM
Mar 2014

vote for W.

That was a wakeup call.

Prophet 451

(9,796 posts)
6. He could perhaps win the primary but not the general
Sun Mar 9, 2014, 01:10 AM
Mar 2014

There's a bunch of reasons for that. Firstly, the DNC wing of the party would be totally against him so forget about getting any money from them or any corporate money. Secondly, in a country where "liberal" and "socialist" have become cuss words, a guy who calls himself a Socialist like Bernie (who's actually closer to a Social Democrat) would have your entire corporate media complex against him. Thirdly, Bernie's getting old. He's in his early Seventies now and he'd be mid-Seventies by the time of the general.

So, No, I don't think he could win a general. I'd love to be proven wrong on that though.

Prophet 451

(9,796 posts)
49. Hillary LOOKS younger though
Sun Mar 9, 2014, 02:43 PM
Mar 2014

Maybe she's aged wel, maybe it's a simple as women tending not to go bald I don't know.

Nay

(12,051 posts)
64. I think the opposite -- I think winning the primary would be harder for
Sun Mar 9, 2014, 04:30 PM
Mar 2014

Bernie than winning the general. But WTF do I know?

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
15. It's definitely not likely, but there's a small chance IMO.
Sun Mar 9, 2014, 01:22 AM
Mar 2014

Knowing Bernie, his goal would be to just expand the debate in the primaries.

I'm sure even he knows he would have a slim chance.

OilemFirchen

(7,143 posts)
16. I guess nothing's impossible, but much is improbable.
Sun Mar 9, 2014, 01:34 AM
Mar 2014

FTR, I'm a big fan of Sanders. I think he's been an excellent Senator and will enjoy a stellar legacy.

But it's absolutely guaranteed that he would lose the primary unless he ran unopposed... which, of course, is not going to happen. I think it's moot, anyway, because unlike the seer Manny, I'm confident that he won't run, and absolutely positive that he won't run as a Democrat.

Silly to postulate much about an election two years away, of course, but I have no doubt that all of the above is true.

I would not say the same of Warren, however. I don't think that she could win the primary, but I do see it as within the realm of the possible.

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
62. Her skills are reasonable
Sun Mar 9, 2014, 03:37 PM
Mar 2014

But her record will be challenging to defend against someone who goes after it hard, from the left.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
63. You do not give her NEARLY enough credit....you forget...she has been married to Bill Clinton
Sun Mar 9, 2014, 03:50 PM
Mar 2014

for like.....her whole life...

She isn't this popular because she has just "reasonable skills" in any direction politically.

I think you underestimate her just like you have misjudged the skills of someone else in the position she seeks.

Women have to work TWICE as hard as men to achieve that level of success....keep that in mind.

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
8. No chance.
Sun Mar 9, 2014, 01:13 AM
Mar 2014

For a number of reasons including the fact that the big money donors won't get behind him. They want a pliant DLC type, Sanders (and Warren) aren't that.

 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
10. OTHER - I don't think he'll run as a Dem
Sun Mar 9, 2014, 01:14 AM
Mar 2014

Or he'll call himself a Roosevelt Progressive, which sounds like a democrat, but Independent.

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
11. Also....
Sun Mar 9, 2014, 01:14 AM
Mar 2014

I don't think any candidate, Republican or Democrat, could be wiped out in the general election.

The red state, blue state divide is very real.

We're gonna see close elections for the foreseeable future.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,258 posts)
12. Bernie's the guy (Independent Socialist) who suggested Obama be primaried in '12.
Sun Mar 9, 2014, 01:17 AM
Mar 2014

That won't be forgotten by the party's most loyal. Bernie has as much chance of winning a general election in this country as Nicolas Maduro.

aquart

(69,014 posts)
14. He is simply not corrupt enough. And I don't want him to be.
Sun Mar 9, 2014, 01:21 AM
Mar 2014

Jimmy Breslin said it wisely: "No one ever reached the presidency in a state of grace."

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
18. honestly, it depends
Sun Mar 9, 2014, 02:15 AM
Mar 2014

Granted, the same wing of the party that considers the Obama admin a warm up for Hillary 2016 will not stand for it. They still hate Obama for soiling their dream of Hillary, Imperatrix Americana. However, a lot can happen, especially if the 2016 people get blamed for losing 2014.

Health can always raise it's head, regardless of age.

and lastly, sorry to say, but Bill could make a stupid mistake. I will spare the malice and jokes, but he has been his own worst enemy at times, and yes, that could stick to Hillary. Bill Clinton won because many people, the Mario Cuomos, thought Bush was destined to win, Clinton was the boat that stayed on the water; history can repeat.

Blue_In_AK

(46,436 posts)
19. It's probably unlikely, given the political machinery,
Sun Mar 9, 2014, 02:42 AM
Mar 2014

but his message resonates with people, and if he actually ran, he might pull other candidates leftward. We can always hope. (Of course, we thought Obama might move the country left - and I'll be quick to say that he has on some issues - but so much more course correction is needed.)

Personally, I'd vote for Bernie Sanders in a heartbeat, especially if he had a good vice presidential candidate running with him - Elizabeth Warren maybe - because Bernie isn't getting any younger. We have to be realistic.

PATRICK

(12,229 posts)
32. It is absolutely unlikely
Sun Mar 9, 2014, 07:52 AM
Mar 2014

but there is a real possibility. The message and the performance of both parties leave a popular vacuum you could drive a number of alternative candidates through in a breeze. The very denial and crushing effect of the media could almost instantly backfire into a sea of gasoline under a spark that need have nothing to do with any particular "no chancer". It doesn't have to be blood in the streets either, despite the current worldwide revolutionary model, so insultingly stupid and presumptuous are the forces of a false and anti-productive status quo in the great American mirage.

The same is true for politics as for the media. The great gap in actually doing the service of information from the REAL world would seem like a golden road for any competitor. What we have is a constant leaking abandonment(not just counter judgments) of corporate media. They get worse, dismissive, pitifully imitative. The attitude of money and power is merely to double down in ways both dumb and dirty and inadequately begin to compete on the presentation of real truth and issues. It seems to me, though I well could be wrong we have even less a pushback or exploitation of this incredible gap in actual elections. Occupy, for various geopolitical reasons(like real economic crunchpoints), not the least of which is that this country is a great center of manipulative power, is barely a sizzle compared to the Arab Spring.

Even the right wing should have alternative parties but they have been scooped up and pre-empted by the GOP, probably to avoid that likely consequence of crushing the economy. The Dems scoop up moderate Repugs, a dangerous unstable plan- playing into the preventable crushing for all to see. The two party tango doesn't give a damn about the left.

Rag rah patriotic war is one thing. To get to the point where a massive anti-war alternative like McGovern could take the Dem nomination has already been reached on the more generally economic slide. Steps have been taken so that past can't be replicated so the form that could take are more likely to be a combination of the fall of the chosen(another vacuum) as hamstrung against reaching both the center and center left as the GOP is reaching to its own "middle". Performance has been so...unsatisfying...and charisma so unlikely this time that it might in fact castrate all major party candidates.

The hoopla will go on. Sanders will be handled the Dem and media way as Ron Paul was by the GOP. The GOP will have clowns making a turd pie. The Dems, trying to deal with the cheating and lies they have done so little to mitigate will have a higher tone, safe strategy pragmatism consistent with a lack of facing central issues with boldness. Anything above that line might well work enough again to gain some show and enthusiasm to swamp thge fraud. That and fear of the GOP. The simple strategy of making Sanders look like the one dangerously rocking the boat might be enough.

It calls for getting out a clear rallying point for ignored volatile realities, being a political genius, getting a flood of MORE candidates at the lower levels, movements and rallies not just centering on one candidate. The current game is not affected by popular will but by entitled power with soft to zero delivery to the vast majority driving the nation and civil order into the ground rather than any loss of momentum in naked greed.

Third parties around single presidential candidates or major parties "taken over" for a cycle disappear. Actual movements on the other hand take root in the people. Movements on food, economy, jobs, healthcare, the Constitution, corruption are so nakedly left open to flourish that the gaming of ethnic divisions, moral issues or sandals seem(are?) merely diversions. Permitted ones at least.

There was enough in the past primaries to sell the major candidates against the more plausible and popularly supported views of the "outliers", the under reported "no chancers". How often did the most liberal "win" debates and defend the party principles best? The Dems are more, if not completely, honest is primary fairness than the GOP. The GOP must and would like to have Sanders win, ignoring for the moment that they are stacking up yet another sh*t sandwich for the 99%.

It is the growing vacuum, that Hillary is growing more than Gore did, that could allow someone genuine to tear the lid off all the suppressed crises and popular agendas. If she doesn't run, perhaps the scramble of new faces would obliterate Sanders. Perhaps beating her in key primaries would actually be the greater opportunity and a real possibility. What RFK is in the wings to take away the McCarthy success?

The real argument is though that the entrenched party establishment would take down the chances in the national election in a bloodbath over a real about face. Is it too late for any real reformer in our party? The the third party option and all its isolated dangers starts the argument all over again.

Vacuums and gaps between the regime and the masses are too often filled by pre-emptive halfway movement in their direction- at least verbally. Maybe the current established field is incapable of doing anything except turning away voters altogether and gaming stats. Completely incapable. The next generation is wallowing up through a sea of corruption and silencing.

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
20. He could absolutely win if he had a fair chance to compete on the issues.
Sun Mar 9, 2014, 02:48 AM
Mar 2014

I put nothing past the corporate machine to make sure that never happens.

polichick

(37,152 posts)
86. The corporate machine is why imo he shouldn't waste time on the party...
Mon Mar 10, 2014, 01:52 PM
Mar 2014

If what we need is a "political revolution" then maybe it'll have to be a real one.

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
26. Considering the number fed up with both establishment parties and the independents, he could.
Sun Mar 9, 2014, 03:40 AM
Mar 2014

A long shot, but one I'm willing to take.

MFM008

(19,837 posts)
27. all he will do is guarantee a president PAUL
Sun Mar 9, 2014, 04:30 AM
Mar 2014

no chance where the race was close like Ohio, Va. FL, Prob loose PA, WI, maybe get as many states as Dukakis. We need to go with the strongest candidate especially if the greedy bastards win the senate. They win the congress, Paul wins president--- oh lord help us all. there goes the ACA and breathable air.

Donald Ian Rankin

(13,598 posts)
28. I'm horrified that there's so much faith-based, rather than evidence-based, thinking on DU.
Sun Mar 9, 2014, 06:45 AM
Mar 2014

34 people thinking Sanders can win. Seriously?

Douglas Carpenter

(20,226 posts)
35. yes, it is possible that he could win. Not necessarily likely but well within the range of
Sun Mar 9, 2014, 09:08 AM
Mar 2014

possibility. Because issue by issue most Americans agree with him most of the time - probably more so than any other candidate in recent memory when you get down to the specific issues. No other political figure in America on the progressive end of the spectrum is better at explaining the progressive viewpoint in such simple meat and potatoes terms. Try asking the next conservative Americans you see what they think of Bernie Sanders. You might be surprised by the answers. But even if he only manages to win a few primaries - his campaign could very likely put the progressive social democratic perspective back into the mainstream of national political discussion for the first time in more than a generation. That alone would make his campaign worthwhile.

Enrique

(27,461 posts)
37. just like all those fools that thought Obama could win
Sun Mar 9, 2014, 09:23 AM
Mar 2014

remember all the reasons all the sensible people gave us why that was impossible, even here on DU?

Donald Ian Rankin

(13,598 posts)
39. No, not like that at all.
Sun Mar 9, 2014, 09:44 AM
Mar 2014

I'm not sure what kind of logic "some people once said that someone else couldn't win, and were wrong, therefor people who say that this guy can't win are wrong too" is, but it's not the kind that I use.

quaker bill

(8,225 posts)
29. Better chance that I
Sun Mar 9, 2014, 07:02 AM
Mar 2014

But not all that much better. I like Bernie, and I would vote for him. But, I voted for Jesse Jackson back in the day.

At least there is this, when the rightwing calls Bernie a "socialist", they will, for the first time, be roughly correct.

left is right

(1,665 posts)
40. You hit it on the nose
Sun Mar 9, 2014, 09:48 AM
Mar 2014

He will be labeled a communist and every Republican will run against him. the label will scare away every low-information voter, most independents, all repukes/teabaggers and some Dems. But he has my vote, if he runs

 

beachbum bob

(10,437 posts)
31. political extremiust from either party have no chance
Sun Mar 9, 2014, 07:41 AM
Mar 2014

bernie has a good heart but he is still on the far left of the political spectrum and stands no chance of even winning any primary election.

Douglas Carpenter

(20,226 posts)
48. I bet he wins the New Hampshire primary or at least comes close and wins at least a few other
Sun Mar 9, 2014, 02:35 PM
Mar 2014

primaries if he runs. I really don't know how a wildly popular Senator who champions wildly popular causes who even Fox News watching Tea Party Republicans respect can be called an extremist. Rand Paul or Ted Cruz or Rick Santorum would be considered extremist crackpots in any other western democracy in the world. Sen. Sanders would just be another social democrat slightly on the left.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
36. If you look back on DU or in the press to 2006 or2007, the theme around Obama for
Sun Mar 9, 2014, 09:22 AM
Mar 2014

many was 'he can not win'. There were various reasons given, 'America is not ready' was one, 'funny name sounds Arabic' was another. There were the 'Bradley Effect' lectures (white people say they will vote for him but in secret they only vote for whites, this is a hugely racist theory) the 'too inexperienced' sermons. Impossible was a heavily used word.
In fact, many of the 'he can't ever' theories centered around Hillary Clinton, inevitable as she was, formidable as she is, she was said to own the Party jointly with Bill.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
38. Of course he could, because what he sells and always has, is what Americans want too. Evidence:
Sun Mar 9, 2014, 09:33 AM
Mar 2014

Obama won against Clinton for the most part because he ran to the left of her.

Independents dumped the Republicans in huge numbers because they destroyed the economy.

92% Of Americans Are Socialists They Just Don’t Know It

Wealth inequality is as extreme today as it was during the Great Depression years. In real terms, the wealthy hold the majority of this nation’s wealth and income. The problem in this country is mass disillusionment. In a recent study by Duke and Harvard University they found many Americans believe that the top 20% of our nation’s wealthiest own 60% of the wealth. The real figure is the top 20% own 84% of our nation’s wealth and it is increasing every year.

When the respondents were asked to pick an unlabeled pie chart “How much should the top 20% own?” 92% of them preferred the Swedish model of income distribution over the current American economic model. The Swedish economic model, which is the top 20% own 36% of the nation’s wealth.
http://www.politicususa.com/2011/04/27/american-socialists.html


It is all how you brand your objectives, but Bernie Sanders is a viable candidate, and he is one
of the most popular Senators, he also has the respect of his colleagues from both sides. The campaign
will be primarily about the economy, people do not have much hope left, they are ready for a someone
who can back up their approach to reviving the economy...Sanders promotes pretty much everything
that Krugman and others like him have been advocating for years now..so he will have the data behind
him too, in order to sell it.


 

reddread

(6,896 posts)
42. depends entirely on the preponderance of open primaries
Sun Mar 9, 2014, 12:22 PM
Mar 2014

I have no idea what the story is there, just yet.
But it will require the opportunity for non-Democratic Party registered voters to come out against Hillary.
In those cases, he has excellent prospects in the primary.
As nominee, he has excellent prospects also.
Republicans arent going anywhere except into the Democratic Party.

30cal

(99 posts)
43. The people who can win Presidential primaries and elections are puppets
Sun Mar 9, 2014, 12:28 PM
Mar 2014

And that includes Obama as a puppet to corporations and the 1%



People who care about the 99% and will never win.

You need big money backers

librechik

(30,678 posts)
44. I don't think he has much of a chance--but I also thought Barrack Obama had a funny name
Sun Mar 9, 2014, 12:31 PM
Mar 2014

and would never get anywhere in this country because of that. I hope something weird happens and he wins in a landslide. But really, if you hate hillary and want an alternative, OMalley is pretty good and 30 years younger.

30cal

(99 posts)
50. Difference is Obama can serve $10,000 plate dinners
Sun Mar 9, 2014, 02:52 PM
Mar 2014

Had celebrities perform for his fund raisers.

Bernie would have none of that, it would be a grass roots effort where BIG money would obstruct him at every term.

Frankly he's just too honest about who he is.

 

Hell Hath No Fury

(16,327 posts)
46. He will not be allowed to win.
Sun Mar 9, 2014, 12:53 PM
Mar 2014

The political PTB will not let him within 1000 yards of the WH. He would be "Deaned" before he had a chance.

Johonny

(20,974 posts)
47. Given at this point 2006 the nomination WAS Hillary's
Sun Mar 9, 2014, 01:56 PM
Mar 2014

I think it is impossible to guess how a primary will go. The media tends to anoint people but the American people mostly ignore these early media projections. Sanders has a chance but unlikely won't raise the money needed to win primaries and build political structures needed to win enough states. But it is way early yet to say he has no chance.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
53. I'm not even sure the Democratic Party should allow someone who just joined the party
Sun Mar 9, 2014, 02:56 PM
Mar 2014

After a long Senate career not of it, to be at the top of the ticket.

Maybe we would do better to get a D Congress in 2014.

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
72. I think primary voters should be allowed to decide whether or not that's an issue.
Sun Mar 9, 2014, 09:30 PM
Mar 2014

And I predict if the Dem leadership try to game the rules to cut Bernie out of the primaries, should he decide to officially change his affiliation, that it will backfire. Whether she has any hand in it or not, Hillary would be held responsible and the talk about her being "afraid" of his candidacy would be endless.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
81. Of course they will
Sun Mar 9, 2014, 11:36 PM
Mar 2014

Primary voters, however, are not likely people who are going to vote for someone who just joined the party after many years as a Senator not a member of the party to run for President.

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
83. If he had been caucusing with the Republicans, I'd agree.
Sun Mar 9, 2014, 11:39 PM
Mar 2014

But he caucuses with Dems and his positions are Dem-friendly. I'm not sure how many voters will chose label over policy.

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
54. Roughly the same chance in the General Election as I have of being a 1st round NFL draft pick.
Sun Mar 9, 2014, 02:56 PM
Mar 2014

I'm a 5'3", 110lb female, btw...

I'd love to see Bernie move into the White House...but that's not very damn likely.

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
55. He would never win the Primary.
Sun Mar 9, 2014, 03:00 PM
Mar 2014

Not because of anything within his power to do or not do, but because the media are so good at scuttling any politicians the Bosses don't approve of. They might not even let him into the debates because he's not a "serious candidate" (by which they mean Corporate-approved.

Just remember what was done to Kucinich & Dean, for 2 examples.

11 Bravo

(23,928 posts)
56. It sucks, but no one who self-identifies as a "Socialist" is going to win a national election ...
Sun Mar 9, 2014, 03:06 PM
Mar 2014

in this country at this time.

krispos42

(49,445 posts)
59. Picking through memories of the 2008 primary...
Sun Mar 9, 2014, 03:21 PM
Mar 2014

... as I recall, a sizable chunk of the delegates are "superdelegates" that are not beholden to vote a certain way.

These are people like Democratic ex-presidents and governors and other VIPs. I don't know how they would feel, but I think his message is good and his delivery is very down-to-earth, cutting-through-the-bullshit-esque.

I'd be happy to vote for him.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
60. I love me some Bernie Sanders....
Sun Mar 9, 2014, 03:22 PM
Mar 2014

but you people that think he can win....must be the same folks that thought the same about Kucinich....delusional.

The general population is not a mirror image of DU...just say'n

Douglas Carpenter

(20,226 posts)
66. Dennis Kucinich has a little too much of a counterculture image. Sen. Sanders comes off more as an
Sun Mar 9, 2014, 07:02 PM
Mar 2014

ordinary guy with a lot of common sense. When he appears on Fox News he receives a lot of fan mail from conservatives who thinks he makes a lot of sense. I'm not going to go as far as predicting that he is going to win the Democratic nomination if he runs and go on be elected President. Given his unique ability to communicate - of course it's a long shot - but nonetheless possible. I would predict that he will win and come close in a handful of primaries thus affecting and perhaps altering the range of discussion. When Sen. Sanders speaks he channels the views of the vast majority of ordinary Americans.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
67. Oh yeah....you don't think being a "Socialist" isn't going to come off as "counter-culture"?
Sun Mar 9, 2014, 09:05 PM
Mar 2014

as I said....not on DU he isn't no.....but to the rest of the country....

But you just wait and see....

Douglas Carpenter

(20,226 posts)
75. one of the most valuable functions his race might be able to achieve is that he might be able to
Sun Mar 9, 2014, 10:44 PM
Mar 2014

do nationally what has done within the state of Vermont in de-demonizing social democracy. I have consistently found conservatives who have not a nice word to say about liberals - even those who aren't really liberals - speak with respect and admiration for Sen. Sanders. That is how he is able to win even conservative precincts in his home state by landslide proportions

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
79. As I said....I support Bernie Sanders...do I think he is capable of garnishing enough votes to win?
Sun Mar 9, 2014, 11:01 PM
Mar 2014

sadly...no...

Douglas Carpenter

(20,226 posts)
84. but Kucinich and Sanders are NOT the same. They hold similar political views. But stylistically
Mon Mar 10, 2014, 12:28 AM
Mar 2014

they are miles apart. I am not predicting Sen.Sanders will win the nomination or the presidency. I am most definitely predicting he will win and come close in some primaries - enough to change the range of discussion and achieve an outside and admittedly long shot possibility of winning. But, if all he does is bring progressivism into the mainstream of political debate for the first time in more than a generation - the campaign will have accomplished a lot. And this is a realistic goal.

MineralMan

(146,354 posts)
61. I can't see it as remotely likely. First, he is not a Democrat,
Sun Mar 9, 2014, 03:22 PM
Mar 2014

and that would work against him, even if he announced he had changed parties.

Second, despite his solid name recognition here on DU, his recognition is not so strong among primary voters nationwide.

Third, way back when, DU was pretty much sure that Dennis Kucinich had a chance of getting nominated, too. DU was incorrect, and for mostly the same reasons that Sanders can't win. I doubt he would take more than a single primary election, frankly.

While DUers, including myself, thing he'd be a great President, the reality is that we're not so good at such predictions, really.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
65. Naaah. He can impact the conversation, sure, but he can't take the prize.
Sun Mar 9, 2014, 04:43 PM
Mar 2014

He has no fundraising network and it's unlikely he could grow one now that would do the trick for him.

He'll be 74 in 2016 and he looks like he's 84.

He has a quirky personality that takes some getting used to.

He can come off as querulous to those who don't know his style.

Those facts cannot be overcome.

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
68. Pass.
Sun Mar 9, 2014, 09:07 PM
Mar 2014

I think he has just as much of a chance as Hillary...but I expect that if Hillary is the nominee (which seems likely), we lose the Presidency.

So take that for what its worth. I'd prefer a Sanders nomination.

Earth_First

(14,910 posts)
69. Well of course he cannot!
Sun Mar 9, 2014, 09:20 PM
Mar 2014

When you have 'friends' at the Democratic grassroots level stating with certainty that he cannot...what did you want.

These are the folks who have already made up their mind.

They want Hillary.

Anyone else, and they aren't interested in listening.

Never mind organizing.

 

Adam051188

(711 posts)
78. i'd love a president sanders, but i don't underestimate the control the empowered few have here.
Sun Mar 9, 2014, 10:53 PM
Mar 2014

those electronic voting machines might misread a few ballots if sanders were to get the nomination. didn't that happen in 2000?

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
80. The best way to tell if Bernie has a chance?
Sun Mar 9, 2014, 11:25 PM
Mar 2014

When the pundits and the social media flying monkeys trip over themselves telling us why Bernie couldn't possibly win, then we'll know someone's scared he might. No-hopers are worth a few passing remarks. Perceived threats are repeatedly targeted.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
90. I think it's still a no...
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 02:38 PM
Mar 2014

...but would be a definite no, unfortunately, if he ran without the Democratic machine.

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