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TygrBright

(20,759 posts)
Sun Feb 23, 2014, 02:32 PM Feb 2014

Legitimate "Safe Havens" for Bigotry

Because this is DU, let's start by defining a couple of terms:

What is a "safe haven," in this context?
Here we're talking about a venue where a bigoted individual may express their bigoted views to other individuals, without being challenged (verbally or in writing) or experiencing any negative social (as opposed to legal, financial, etc.) sanction for those views.

What does "legitimate" refer to, here?
In this case, we're talking venues where the Constitution protects your right to seek legal redress for a given sanction by any legal authority, or for a challenge or sanction by any individual who is violating your right to privacy.

If y'all want to debate the definition of "bigotry," I'd sure appreciate you taking it to another thread, because I'm going with a very rough definition, based on an old AA analogy: "If one person tells you you're being a horse's ass, laugh it off. If two people tell you, count your legs. If three people tell you, buy a saddle."

The point here being, that there are "safe havens" for bigotry. Places where the Constitution guarantees that no one can challenge your bigoted opinions, no one can sanction you, you and your bigoted pals can yuk it up and share grotesque little self-justifying circle jerks in perfect freedom, untainted by the profound ignorance, stupidity, ill-will, and inferiority of those who differ with you. Here are those safe havens:

Your own private dwelling, residential or recreational property, or any property where you are not providing an accommodation deemed "public" under the law (such as a restaurant, real estate agency, etc.) You want to invite your bigot pals along to trash <preferred "other" here> over coffee or a beer? Not only can you do so, but you can ask any dissenters to leave or refuse to serve coffee/beer/whatever to anyone who disagrees in perfect justification under the protection of the Constitution. No dissenting voices allowed: Safe haven.

Any public accommodation where no other persons except you and your bigot buddies are present, and/or where your activities constitute no conceivable denial to others enjoying the same accommodation. You go to a park, no one else is around, the Constitution guarantees your right to whoop it up and holler about how awful those <preferred "other" here> folks are: Safe haven. Other people arrive at the next picnic table? Keep yer damn' voices down and don't make any overhearable remarks, gestures, etc., that might interfere with their enjoyment of the public accommodation, period: No safe haven.

Please note, once again, the definition of "safe haven." You are free to express your bigoted views and opinions anywhere except in other peoples' safe havens; the Constitution protects your right to do so. However, you may (and hopefully will) experience challenges to those views, often by the very <preferred "other" here> you despise, and they are not obliged to shut up, be nice, "respect" your views (I love that one...) or otherwise accommodate you. If your bigotry prevents individuals from enjoying equal access to public accommodations, you can also expect legitimate legal challenges and/or sanctions.

As bigots of all varieties are increasingly learning these days, venues formerly assumed to be safe havens-- conventions, professional societies, educational institutions, sports arenas, news and entertainment media, etc.-- are NOT safe havens.

Deal with the challenge(s) and/or take your booboo lip elsewhere.

irritatedly,
Bright

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Legitimate "Safe Havens" for Bigotry (Original Post) TygrBright Feb 2014 OP
K&R Cleita Feb 2014 #1
Just for the Record, 'General Discussion' is not a Safe Haven for anyone. RC Feb 2014 #2
Er. the Constitution protects me from prosecution from expressing my views Doctor_J Feb 2014 #3
The previous replies are... redqueen Feb 2014 #4
Yeah. Especially the k&r. Unless Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #6
I wouldn't even know where to begin. redqueen Feb 2014 #11
Not the content, though. Democracyinkind Feb 2014 #8
That's a good way to put it. redqueen Feb 2014 #9
amazing what people's brains spit out based on a generic stimuli nt geek tragedy Feb 2014 #10
Isn't it, though? nt redqueen Feb 2014 #12
What the hell? P.S. is it possible for people Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #5
Bigotry against white males? pinboy3niner Feb 2014 #7
 

RC

(25,592 posts)
2. Just for the Record, 'General Discussion' is not a Safe Haven for anyone.
Sun Feb 23, 2014, 04:23 PM
Feb 2014

This OP and the OP below are related:

"It might be said that online trolls are prototypical everyday sadists"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024551098

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
3. Er. the Constitution protects me from prosecution from expressing my views
Sun Feb 23, 2014, 08:18 PM
Feb 2014

Nothing more. If I tell one of my pulchritudinous seniors I'd like to lick her toes, eyebrows, and everything in between, the Constitution protects me from prosecution from that too. It does not protect me from being fired, which I would be before the sun set the day I made my expression of appreciation of her desirability. In the safe havens, my posts and my very presence are not protected by the constitution. If you want to bloviate, try to remain factual.

redqueen

(115,103 posts)
11. I wouldn't even know where to begin.
Mon Feb 24, 2014, 10:55 AM
Feb 2014

One particularly puzzling reply is the inclusion of what apparently passes for an "expression of appreciation" to some people.

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