Nipped *that* in the bud, I hope

[MannyGoldstein]

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Caught our son listening to The Beatles tonight, I saw her standing there

It was bad.

She was just 17
You know what I mean?
And the way she looked
Was way beyond compare
So how could I dance with another?
"Woooh!"
I saw her standing there

Selecting a dance partner on the basis of looks? 17? And that "woooh" was pretty menacing.

Shut that down, right quick.

Told him to stick to instrumentals until we can sort through our music to see what's more reasonable for him. We gave him some polkas and chamber music to tide him over.

As the boy started listening to the new music we gave him, he began to weep uncontrollably, tears dripping down onto his loose-fitting unisex pantsuit. Tears of joy, I think, in recognition of our growing maturity as a civilization.

[1000words]

1. Good instincts, Manny ...

You spared him from a future of doing it in the road.

[Ed Suspicious]

113. ...begs the question of "why don't he?" it's not like anybody will be watching.

[1000words]

116. There's the rub (so to speak): Paul is watching.

McCartney wrote the song after seeing two monkeys copulating in the street while on retreat in Rishikesh, India, with the Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. He marvelled in the simplicity of this natural scenario when compared to the emotional turmoil of human relationships. He later said:

"A male [monkey] just hopped on the back of this female and gave her one, as they say in the vernacular. Within two or three seconds he hopped off again and looked around as if to say, ‘It wasn't me,’ and she looked around as if there'd been some mild disturbance ... And I thought ... that's how simple the act of procreation is ... We have horrendous problems with it, and yet animals don't."


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Why_Don%27t_We_Do_It_in_the_Road%3F

[Ed Suspicious]

117. That's a great story. I love the male sneaking off and the female shrugging her shoulders and

carrying on with her day.

[1000words]

120. LOL ... The good ones find inspiration from anything.

Then again, isn't most of rock and roll about hot monkey love?

[neverforget]

2. Lol!

[Schema Thing]

3. you did the right thing.

We'll have asexual reproduction soon and we won't have to worry about this messy stuff anymore, but until then, let's establish some (more) rules for godsake.

[Fumesucker]

61. The year 6565 can't get here fast enough..

[lumberjack_jeff]

86. .

[MannyGoldstein]

107. And we shall...

[DeSwiss]

244. Love it!!!

- Off it goes into my YT classical music playlist folder. Thank you very much.

I also like the O'Jay's version:

[berni_mccoy]

204. Woah Woah

You just blew my ever lovin' mind, not sure I'm gonna make it to 2-0-1-FIVE.

[A HERETIC I AM]

4. That music was clearly photoshopped. n/t

[oldhippie]

39. Photoshopped beyond reality, even! nt

[In_The_Wind]

5. Oh my

[westerebus]

6. waiting on the alert results...

[In_The_Wind]

23. See post # 19

[westerebus]

26. thanks

[SheilaT]

7. Polkas! Yes!

Several years ago, my first time in Santa Fe, before I went to sleep my first night, I found what seemed to be a public radio station and set my radio alarm to go off on that station at 7am, if I recall correctly.

7am to 8am was polka music. OMG! I defy ANYONE not to be cheerful and energetic after waking up to polka music! Best music ever.

Not that I ever found the polka hour again, nor have I listened to much polka music in the years since. Sigh.

[pscot]

24. Polkas allways make me cry

[SheilaT]

105. Really?

How amazing that we can have such totally opposite responses to the same music!

[Dollface]

239. Perhaps because that is where you learned that in Heaven there is no beer.

[SheilaT]

255. WHAT??

No beer in Heaven? Well, I'm changing MY plans for the afterlife.

[Dollface]

295. That's why we drink it here. Sad but true.

[Curmudgeoness]

308. You didn't know there is no beer in heaven?

&feature=player_detailpage


And if you like that one, find out who stole the kishka.

&feature=player_detailpage

Since I am of Polish descent, I heard these all my life.

[sybylla]

233. Agreed. Best wake up music ever.

In Wisconsin the Saturday and Sunday morning polka shows were a tradition when I was growing up, both on the radio and TV. Now, you can find an occasional radio station that has a Sunday morning program, but rarely.

When we vacation in the more sparsely populated northwoods of the state, there is a radio station that does a Sunday morning polka show. I used to share this joy with my sons, hoping they would grow up loving the stuff like I do.

Nope. They were not amused. Neither was my husband, but he always went along with it just to annoy the teens in the back seat. You might be able to resist the polka temptation, but you can never resist the temptation to annoy annoying teenagers.

Oddly, back when we lived in an apartment, our Mexican neighbors blared Mexican polkas through the walls on Sunday morning as they got ready for church. I was cool with it, but my husband insisted we remove ourselves to the other bedroom in short order.

[friendly_iconoclast]

8. That will *not* be appreciated in certain quarters

Well done, Manny!

[Earth_First]

9. Was it vinyl?

[KentuckyWoman]

10. LOL

Unisex pantsuit.

For once I got in while the popcorn is still hot.

[Electric Monk]

11. If left unchecked that can lead to Norwegian Wood and a Rubber Soul

[Art_from_Ark]

36. And holding hands

[Pretzel_Warrior]

42. And of course..invitations to "do it in the road"

[cvoogt]

60. And

doing number nine, whatever that may be ..

[Dr Hobbitstein]

248. You don't wanna know...

But it involves a corkscrew, 3 midgets, a roll of scotch tape, a slab of streaky bacon, and a copy of the playbill from Waiting For Godot.

[L0oniX]

66. "Why Don't We Do It In the Road"

[napkinz]

222. "I'm gonna do it to you, gonna do it, Sweet banana, you've never been done ..."

I suppose this is the sequel to "Why Don't We Do It In The Road"

[NealK]

78. Yeah, and next thing you know...

he'll get a Revolver and want a revolution to change the world.

[L0oniX]

80. The Beatles were gun nuts! "Happyness Is A Warm Gun"

[NealK]

93. Lol, yep, they sure were.

[Diclotican]

193. Electric Monk

Electric Monk

What is "norwigian wood" ? Never experienced that expression before...

Diclotican

[Dr Hobbitstein]

250. A Beatles tune from the Rubber Soul album

[Diclotican]

282. Dr Hobbitstein

Dr Hobbitstein

Aha - funny - as I am from Norway (Born and raised thank you) and never head that expression before.. But as I have listning to the song - I know I have heard it before - but never reqonized its name... Thats cool A beatles song dedicated to norway of all places

Diclotican

[Dr Hobbitstein]

287. Actually, I think it's about a prostitute.

Norwegian wood was John's slang for "cheap pine".

[Diclotican]

289. Dr Hobbitstein

Dr Hobbitstein

Ah - but still "funny" Im from Norway

Diclotican

[edbermac]

330. No it was about an affair Lennon was having and hiding from his wife.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norwegian_Wood_(This_Bird_Has_Flown)

[Dr Hobbitstein]

352. You are apparently correct...

I had heard the prostitution thing before, and the lyrics COULD imply that. But I was right on the cheap pine!

[bettyellen]

12. willful ignorance- about as funny as making fun of african americans for not liking watermelon jokes

if you don't know what objectification is, it's okay- probably not your problem, I guess.


but flaunting idiocy is never a good thing. and jeeze, you are on a roll lately.

[Pretzel_Warrior]

18. Bahahahaha!!!

[bettyellen]

22. you enjoyed him mocking African Americans? Many here did.

[1StrongBlackMan]

229. I missed that one ...

though I would find that wholly, unsurprising ... anything to sow division among Democrats (and liberals and progressives).

I suspect this will intensify as we head into the 2014 elections.

[1StrongBlackMan]

228. I was wondering how long ...

that tripe would go unchallenged?

[bettyellen]

231. Apparently I imagined him making fun of "over sensitive"

African American? For not liking watermelon jokes? Did you imagine it too?
Gosh, I guess we just don't have enough of a sense of humor, right?

[1StrongBlackMan]

234. No ...

I missed that one ... But am wholly unsurprised that he would post something like that. I expect his posting (this kind of stuff) to increase as we head into 2014. MUST ... DIVIDE ... DU ...!/i]

[Number23]

301. But the cheering clueless knumbskulls lap up his schtick and beg for more.

So if he succeeds in dividing DU then so be it. Will be no loss to anyone and sure as hell not the Democratic Party.

[1StrongBlackMan]

309. Actually ...

I beg to differ.

Yes, he has a significant following on DU, and I believe that following is largely non-Democratically identifiers. But I also believe a significant portion of his following are merely misguided; but sincere Democratic allies, that have been sucked in. A divided DU would not be a good thing ... though you are right; it would likely have little, if any, effect on the larger Democratic party.

[RainDog]

316. fwiw

I'm not a "manny follower" but I think most of the people who i.d. with him see themselves as farther to the left than American political culture has a place for at this time. I rarely comment on his posts, etc.

The thread he posted in response to the watermelon/African American history month - I didn't have anything to say about any of that, but I took his thread as a parody of his own culture - I assume he's Jewish, but maybe not. So, he was identifying with the way his cultural history gets associated with particular foods, even if he doesn't consume them himself. I didn't take it to mean an insult, iow, and, it seems, when he realized some did take it as an insult, he apologized.

But maybe I'm wrong. I tend to assume people here are not trying to be offensive and I try to extend a generosity toward others here that I would like to have extended toward myself until someone makes it a point to insult me directly, which, fwiw, many women and men have done who have formed a clique on this site. Then I will give back what I get until I decide not to bother any more.

I also understood people who said the stereotype is more accurately about southern culture, not African American culture - because white people in the south eat the same foods - and tho "grits" may more often be associated with white southern culture - well, every white person I knew growing up ate watermelon and chicken. But I would never say this on such a thread b/c I didn't think that was really the point - the point was associating all African Americans with southern culture alone.

In this thread, Manny was taking what some people perceive here from others who seem to "get the vapors" over current culture - and, apparently, that joke has some currency here.

It wasn't a mean post, but it was a funny one in the context of the latest argument that goes on often here between a few insistent people on both sides, and others who comment on the moment.

[1StrongBlackMan]

320. I beg to differ ...

but respect your interpretation.

[sabrina 1]

349. I believe you got it right. But the very fact that there are those who WANT to be offended

and the despicable practice here of a few of trying so hard, failing, but never giving up, to try hard to discredit anyone how doesn't agree with them 100% on everything, was made obvious once again, by the comments here trying to turn it into something it was not.

And they make this OP absolutely on target.

[RainDog]

353. so, you're saying this is political - i.e. about other political squabbles here?

and some here are trying to smear Manny with false claims of talking about watermelon when he didn't? As in, this is not entirely honest outrage, but political r-f-ing?

I don't follow who is on what side in that contested space here, but I think you align with Manny - is that right?

Because what I have seen on this board in relation to some who discuss feminism is nothing more than conventional attitudes toward females dressed up as "objectification." No always, tho. but there are more than a few who meet this description, to me.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

323. I missed that one. Ugh, god.

But I sure see all the "yay, a sexist lyric! It's funny!" crap…..


Music is full of violence against women. Rock and Blues, and Appalachian mountains/Old Time fiddle and banjo tunes often sing about killing women.

It's interesting historically, and good tunes should be loved; but it's also important to understand messages and how ideas that used to be accepted without question do change. Same way we examine and denounce media messages of unregulated capitalism, "safe" fracking or racism.


This is just an attempt to mock the problem of sexism.

If I had seen that watermelon one…..

[MannyGoldstein]

329. You din't see it because

it doesn't exist.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

332. that's "didn't"

so you're saying that the posters talking about it just made it up out of thin air. What a weird thing to make up.


I'll have to check, if I think of it tomorrow, because I'm not comfortable taking your word for it. Seeing as how you think sexism is a laugh riot.

[MannyGoldstein]

335. I don't think sexism is a laugh riot.

I think that you, and some others, are projecting that.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

337. ok, then if you don't think so, why post a thread using a line from a 40-something year old song

that is mild….not particularly sexist, and do a meta-comedy shtick mocking discussions that attempt to identify sexism and how it is harmful to us all?

the most blatantly sexist members are all here giving you high fives.

I'm not projecting.

[MannyGoldstein]

338. Here's why

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024525222

[BlancheSplanchnik]

340. I edited and added a long PS to my previous post...

that is mild….not particularly sexist, and do a meta-comedy shtick mocking discussions that attempt to identify sexism and how it is harmful to us all? Your post implies that identifying sexism and defending ourselves against the people here who enjoy it is "being over the top".

the most blatantly sexist members are all here giving you high fives, and you're giving them right back.

I'm not projecting.

PS well, I saw the gefilte fish post…didn't check all your stuff, though. Really need to get offline.
BUT, regardless of whether or not you posted a shtick mocking African Americans, I see you have the good sense to distance yourself from any such thing. In other words, you know very well that doing such a thing--being racist-- is not O.K.

But, with regard to sexism….you're not showing any awareness that there's anything wrong with it. Even your apologia is self-serving. "Of course it's wrong. Of course we must deal with gender-ism! But I'm just making a joke to point out that you're all over-the-top".

But this post we're currently in-- you're just mocking the discussions that have been going on here because of a number of T&A trolly flame-bait posts lately. And topping it off by throwing an insult at me. (accusing me and others of projection)

I'll bet if a Black DU member challenged you on a racist remark, you might deny, you might explain that wasn't your intent, but you sure as shit wouldn't throw in an insult for added value.

[bettyellen]

343. In my book if you're going to ridicule something you'd better know exactly what it is....

But in the watermelon and chicken thread he claimed not to know and understand the history etc. But didn't stop him from posting a thread or three about it.

[redqueen]

344. There was a LOT of that going on. It was fucking shameful.

Thanks very much to you and JustAnotherGen for not letting this shit slide.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

354. what's the name of that thread?

I wanna find it. Curious to see the wording and what he's going to a lot of trouble to deny.

[bettyellen]

355. the lighten up about watermelon "apology" contains the link to the original "swipe"

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at those taking offense at watermelon references.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024478358

[BlancheSplanchnik]

358. well. So apologetic. So concerned and humbled by maybe being construed as racist.

I saw the gefilte fish post….actually, I didn't find it offensive (but I hadn't looked at the comments in the watermelon/fried chicken threads, so I wasn't aware that there was a blow-up; I didn't make the connection. Also, I grew up Jewish, so self-deprecating Jewish humor is nothing new to me. I always thought it was funny.)

Anyway, I'm sick of this shit. I think I made a good point above when I said

"regardless of whether or not you posted a shtick mocking African Americans, I see you have the good sense to distance yourself from any such thing. In other words, you know very well that doing such a thing--being racist-- is not O.K.

But, with regard to sexism….you're not showing any awareness that there's anything wrong with it. Even your apologia is self-serving. "Of course it's wrong. Of course we must deal with gender-ism! But I'm just making a joke to point out that you're all over-the-top".

But this post we're currently in-- you're just mocking the discussions that have been going on here because of a number of T&A trolly flame-bait posts lately. And topping it off by throwing an insult at me. (accusing me and others of projection)

I'll bet if a Black DU member challenged you on a racist remark, you might deny, you might explain that wasn't your intent, but you sure as shit wouldn't throw in an insult for added value.
"

There's a WORLD of difference in the tone of the gefilte fish post (it was self-deprecating humor). The "nip this in the bud" post is a mockery of women who feel used and insulted by not only T&A crap in public, but also, by the CRAPPY attitude of its defenders. He takes a real problem and reductio ad absurdam, makes it a story that insults women. Featuring ridiculous women objecting to everything to the point of idiocy.

Suffragettes and second wave feminists were mocked in the same way, tarred as a group of ignorant hags, moralizing prudes, over-reacting, man hating…etc. etc. you know the drill.

And that kind of repeated INSULT, intended to shut out women who don't like the game, is totally accepted.




OK…well, we're not gonna solve it right this red-hot minute, and I have to get offline.

Thanks, bettyellen!

[bettyellen]

362. I think they both show a total lack of respect for DUers.... to throw that goofy thread out and then

say WOW, I wasn't aware it's a thing to you African American , and BTW- why don't you get over it? Is both condescending and pretty ignorant. But you can see that's exactly how that's how entitled he feels. To mock, and then sort of apologize and ask to be taken seriously on shit he doesn't give two shits about. Hadn't given it a thought prior, except to mock it. Unless he's satirizing himself for being full of hot air, it ain't funny.

Basically, that's the take on feminist issues- can't be bothered to even understand WTF he is gassing off about. It's pretty bizarre. His take is exactly the same as people who spew hatred here- that's not actually satire, it's copycatting sexist bullshit. It actually works better as satire of MRA idiots. To cap it off, everything is served with a side of condesendenton, in case we missed he's trying to assign everyone their place here. Yeah, I know the drill, we're supposed to not realize you were mocking feminists here until you explain the next day- WTF really? Who needed that explained? What is flying over who's head here, LOL.

[Autumn]

359. I am trying that link you posted but get

Your search - htt://www.democraticunderground.com/10024478358 - did not match any documents.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

363. the "p" in "http" is missing.

Just fix the mistake and it'll take you right there.

[TDale313]

13. sigh.

You're usually so spot on, Manny. This thread? Not so much.

[bettyellen]

25. race and gender seem to be sticking points, that's for sure.

[zazen]

99. maybe he can mock food stamp recipients next--they have _no_ sense of humor!!

[laundry_queen]

118. Agreed. bleh. nt

[RainDog]

14. ...

[TheMathieu]

15. Uh...

LOL.

[TroglodyteScholar]

16. Big LOL

You shit-stirrer, you...

[HappyMe]

17. lol!

Dude, get the popcorn.....

[In_The_Wind]

19. and the Jury voted 0-6 to LEAVE IT ...

10:30 PM

Automated Message

AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service

On Mon Feb 17, 2014, 10:24 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Nipped *that* in the bud, I hope
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024518482

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Trolling attempt/Flamebaiting (A bit of both)

Best to nip this in the bud.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Mon Feb 17, 2014, 10:30 PM, and the Jury voted 0-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Did Manny alert on him self again?
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: With no context, this should stand as satire. If it is flamebait, let it stand as a record of assholishness.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[1000words]

21. Ouch.

A shut-out.

[TheMathieu]

27. Amazing jury results.

It rights the wrong I was done earlier.

[TreasonousBastard]

29. Well, nipped "that" in the bud, too...

good work, jurors.

[truedelphi]

32. If only us older folks could have served on that jury.

I mean, I can remember back before polka music was ever allowed to be heard by anyone under the age of 21, and here Manny is encouraging his kid to listen to it!

[zeemike]

95. I have known many a youngster that got hooked on Polka music.

And it lead to a life of depravity...Manny should know better than that.

[notadmblnd]

130. I agree, If people only what was in that barrel that was being rolled out

they'd have an entirely different perspective.

[HappyMe]

34. What the fuck?

Nipped that in the bud.

Jeeeezus Keeeerist. Alert on this?

[In_The_Wind]

35. Some days are like that.

[HappyMe]

38. Fucking asylum.

[In_The_Wind]

46. Kinda like walking on eggshells.

[HappyMe]

57. Yeah it is.

But you know what? Fuck that.

I am 55 yrs old. I am a cancer survivor. I am a divorced woman, remarried. Yeah buddy, no womam is "invisible" after 40 or 50 I will do what ever the fuck I want. I will give my opinion. I don't particularly give a fuck if it's is the "right" opinion.

I don't walk on any fucking egg shells.

[In_The_Wind]

63. Congratulations.

You've got a great attitude.

At 65, I'm not, nor will I ever be "invisible" again. I tried to be for a few years but I was miserable.

And I really don't care for someone trying to tell me what to think.

[sabrina 1]

98. Good for you, and me neither.

[Pretzel_Warrior]

212. that's the spirit

[progressoid]

52. Juror #2 : Did Manny alert on him self again?

[L0oniX]

69. LMFAO at that one ...indeed

[Warren DeMontague]

114. No Button, No Cry

No Button, No Cry.

[opiate69]

119. !!!

!!!

[westerebus]

20. O-6 leave it.

Some body is not in a good mood.

I was number 2.

[L0oniX]

73. Some freeper troll alerted? Nope! It was a Manny hater!

[MannyGoldstein]

75. Well jeez, that narrows it down. nt

[L0oniX]

79. Just figure that every post you make will be alerted on.

Eventually the admins should do something about it ...unless the admins are the alerters.

[MannyGoldstein]

103. The Stark Fist of Removal always tails me in the shadows

But I remain unbowed.

[Warren DeMontague]

121. Nice post, Stalin.

http://www.subgenius.com/bigfist/fistclutch14.html

[westerebus]

89. Possibly a man e hater?

A slight distinction given the current dust up.

[Iggo]

135. Jeez.

[westerebus]

275. Jumping G hos a phat...

How do I reply?



or



or



maybe



hard to tell...

[packman]

28. Best Keep an Eye on him

I understand that got some guy called Elvis wiggling his hips on that Utubey thing on the internet tubes.

[scarletwoman]

30. Polkas?!?! Are you trying to turn him into an acoholic?

WTH is WRONG with you!?!?

In heaven there is no beer.
That's why we drink it here (Right Here!)
When we're gone from here,
all our friends will be drinking all our beer!

[VanillaRhapsody]

33. My grandfather the musician's all time favorite song...Beer Barrel Polka!

He even played that in churches in the South a time or too! Was quite irreverent to those people even in the 1990's

[rhett o rick]

76. "It was my first wife that drove me to drink.... Never did thank her. "

Poor misquote from WC Fields.

[MannyGoldstein]

134. What is wrong with ME?

How much time do you have?

[scarletwoman]

319. Never mind. Obviously, there are plenty of folks in this thread who are happy to enumerate

your faults. Saves you the bother, eh?

[edbermac]

31. "This is the kind of music that tells me to go out there and BE somebody!"

[LittleBlue]

37. Never stop posting, Manny

Lost it at the unisex pants comment. Seriously no matter what it's about, you always make me laugh.

[TexasTowelie]

40. Come on Manny, you should dig out the Andrews Sisters albums at least.

How could they possibly corrupt your boogie woogie boy?

[L0oniX]

92. How about the Stones "Look at that Stupid Girl"?

Yep ...they actually wrote that song.

[MannyGoldstein]

101. For Boogie Woogie, I can trust him with Sleepy

Sleepy LaBeef

[Pretzel_Warrior]

41. Best to have him steer clear of Fred Astaire, Frank Sinatra

And Tony Bennett.

The Way You Look Tonight?!?!


Some day, when I'm awfully low
When the world is cold
I will feel a glow just thinking of you
And the way you look tonight

[TheMathieu]

51. Don't forget the song that really elevated the patriarchy to new levels.

[Lex]

43. Is this going for funny or pathetic?

I think it's attempting the former but is landing squarely in the latter.

[A HERETIC I AM]

44. Or maybe.....

The OP is satire, poking fun right exactly where it needs to be poked.

[kcr]

45. That would be so progressive, wouldn't it?

Mocking Feminists. Not the first thing I think of when I think progressive. Hmm, maybe he forgot to sign Third Way Manny.

[TDale313]

49. +1

[A HERETIC I AM]

50. You're kidding, right?

No...I don't suppose you are.

I am willing to bet that the intent of the OP isn't to mock anyone but DU as a whole.

If you have been here any length of time at all, you know this board and its members have a tendency to get riled up over specific subjects and this latest flood of threads is indicative of that.

This week it was the Sports Illustrated cover.

Soon it will be Hooters again.

Then it will be circumcision.

Then breast feeding in public.

Ad infinitum.

Take it for what it is. Satire.

[Lex]

53. We should just lighten up about it, right? Not take it so seriously?

Same old. Same old.

[A HERETIC I AM]

56. Here's my response;

[L0oniX]

77. ALERTING!!! Arg!!! Another self destructing gun nut.

[A HERETIC I AM]

81. .....

[Lex]

85. Perfect. nt

[NealK]

88. Lol!

[kcr]

55. Not in the least

I joined DU about a month after Skinner started it, so I've been here a long time. I know mocking when I see it.

[A HERETIC I AM]

65. Wow.

Your posting activity really took off lately, eh?

mock·ing
ˈmäkiNG/
adjective
adjective: mocking

1.
making fun of someone or something in a cruel way; derisive.
"the mocking hostility in his voice made her wince"


So you think the OP was "cruel" ? Was it "derisive"?


I suppose it is all in the eye of the reader.

There is a very good reason I do not post in most of the flame war/controversial topic threads.
The same reason that, though I call myself a Heretic and I am indeed an Atheist, I rarely post in the Religion forum.

It's because I have had all these arguments years ago and I now see them as tedious.

I apologize if that isn't "progressive" enough for you.

On the other hand, I just don't give a damn.

Now, knowing this board as well as I do, that statement alone will get SOMEONE thinking, if not saying, that I am a misogynist because of it. And that is also indicative of how absurd this board has become.

[kcr]

71. Nosey, eh?

But that's okay. I've already explained it before. It's my husband's old account, and he's okay with me using it. I lost the password to my account and when I tried to make a new account with DU3, the new verification crap was glitching and I lost patience with it and I just started using his account.

How should I know why the OP does it? Why does anyone stir shit on DU?

[A HERETIC I AM]

74. Curious.

You said you joined a month after the formation. Just curious. And since your user name is just letters, I was looking to see if I was conversing with a man or a woman.

Why does anyone stir shit on DU?

Why does the internet exist?!?

[cliffordu]

100. Well...

Pfthh

[appal_jack]

112. The Beatles were definitely 'Mockers'

-app

[MannyGoldstein]

328. That's awesome.

Thanks!

[truedelphi]

67. Undoubtedly, if we stay at this blogging thing long enough, there

Will be a day when a young woman employee of Hooters is on the Cover of Sports Illustrated, while breast feeding her baby who has just been circumcised.

[A HERETIC I AM]

70. Yuppers.

With a Pitbull by her side.

And a Corvette.

A Corvette with a "I Love the Olive Garden" bumper sticker.

[TheMathieu]

96. The OP seems to be in good fun.

Not sure why some are ovaryacting to it.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

214. It is a pathetic attempt at being funny. Cheap shot. Manny gets a freebie -

what he has failed to mention is that his son is 38 and lives in his basement

[AgingAmerican]

218. Insulting peoples children?

Shame

[Tuesday Afternoon]

219. ... lol ... if the shoe fits ... or whatever. Doors ... or something ...

are you saying a 38 y/o is a child, really ... ?

is that what you are trying to imply?

too funny.

[AgingAmerican]

220. Shame

nt

[polly7]

260. Gross.

People all over the world are suffering right now ...... many adults are having to live in situations they probably wouldn't choose to d/t the economy, lack of employment, and many other reasons. That you choose to insult a person who doesn't even post here for something you know absolutely nothing about says more about you than I think you'd care to imagine.

[one_voice]

278. This...

are you saying a 38 y/o is a child,

It doesn't matter how old your child/children get they will ALWAYS be your child/children.

My daughter is 28 and yes, she's still my child. I gave birth to her & raised her so she is my child always and forever. Whether she lives with me or not--she doesn't.

Same goes for my 22 year old son.

I'm a pretty laid back person I usually brush most shit off. BUT if you go after my child/children it's on.

That is beyond low. Attack the OP no reason to go after his son.

[MannyGoldstein]

327. Our son is 14, lives on the ground floor,

and has an IQ higher than mine (and probably yours).

And he's a damned nice kid, too.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

342. Manny, darling ... satire cuts both ways.

[WillyT]

47. LOL !!! - I Knew Those Beatles Would Be The Downfall Of Western Civilization !!!

Thank you for your rescue efforts Manny !!!

[Oilwellian]

48. I had a horse that liked to nip

And Manny, have you SEEN how they Polka these days???

[MannyGoldstein]

58. Awesome!

Thanks!

[Pretzel_Warrior]

59. I used to belong to a death polka band

The band leader, Fritz Hasselhoff, would smash his accordion and jump into the mosh pit to end the show. Our fans were wild, but they all brought amazing casseroles to the events.

[Bonobo]

54. You're doing it right and your light is shining so brightly right now, etc. nt

[progressoid]

62. Just because you think you're so pretty

Rock on Manny!

JUST BECAUSE POLKA

Just because you think you're so pretty
Just because you think you're hot
Just because you think you've got something
That no body else has got
You've caused me to spend all my money
You laughed and called me old Santa Claus
I'm telling you, Baby I'm through with you
Just because, just because

[L0oniX]

64. LMFAO ...damn sexist Beatles. No wonder the religious nuts burned their records.

[madrchsod]

68. happiness is a warm gun???????

actually my fave line in that album is "she came through the bathroom window...."

[Pretzel_Warrior]

97. actually, Happiness is Warm Gun is from The White Album and She Came in Through

The Bathroom Window was from Abbey Road.

By the time Abbey Road rolled around, they couldn't even manage writing whole songs, it seems. John and Paul just stitched together several partial songs for You Never Give Me Your Money/Here Comes the Sun King/Mean Mr. Mustard/Polyethlene Pam/She Came in Through the Bathroom Window/Golden Slumbers.

....but it still turned out pretty dang good for their final album.

My favorite line from Abbey Road is the short bit at the end

"And in the end...the love you take, is equal to the love..you make."

P.S. I am a Beatles fan....lolol.

[MannyGoldstein]

104. We saw Sir Paul at Fenway last summer

and he ended the concert with that final medley that culminated in "and in the end..."

It was #%^*ing awesome.

[Pretzel_Warrior]

122. that does sound awesome. I've seen some greats like Bob Dylan, Van Morrison

and the like....but never any of the Beatles.

[madrchsod]

111. about two minutes after i posted that i thought ..is that the right album?

sure enough i was wrong.

[ananda]

72. It makes me just wanna do the hokeypokey.

And turn myself about ... like that.

[Blue_In_AK]

82. Bwa-ha-ha.

LOVE it.

[ColumbusLib]

83. Yeah- chamber music!

Love the Beatles too.

[lumberjack_jeff]

84. Sorry? You were saying something? I guess I must have had "Under my Thumb" turned up too loud. n/t

[1000words]

90. Change has come ...

Thumb!

[Fumesucker]

91. This would be a more appropriate Jagger tune

[L0oniX]

94. "Starfucker" trumps that.

[Pretzel_Warrior]

207. pretty revolting lyrics if you ask me

[sir pball]

87. Chamber music? Do you know what kind of pigs Classical composers were?!

The ladies LOVED ol' Ludwig.

And never forget, he wrote a trifling little piece at least partly because he was in love with a 17-year old girl who rejected him..

[cliffordu]

102. Well, Manny.....dammit, here goes....

Well Done!

[Spitfire of ATJ]

106. Better go dig out that Disney smut next....

"Sleeping Beauty" was only [font size=24] 16![/font]

[Xyzse]

177. Good god Snow White.

[NBachers]

108. Bob Boudelang sends support from his 3rd Floor compound, Manny -

and G. Gordon Liddy's coming over to keep you secure.



You're in good hands, Manny

[Vashta Nerada]

109. K&R

The last two days in GD have been laughable.

Thank you for bringing GD back to sensible levels.

I'm going to do some dancing:

[colorado_ufo]

200. OK everyone - YOU MUST DO THIS! See below -

Go to post 101, play Sleepy's boogie woogie music while watching the dancin' on post 109 - perfectly synchronized!

"Whole lotta shakin' goin' on!"

[Vashta Nerada]

206. Haha!

It does work!

[JVS]

110. That's a very wicked band. In one album they sing about beating women and keeping them away from...

the things that they love but then go on to excuse the behavior by claiming it's getting better.

[CBGLuthier]

128. I do not mind that they SANG about beating women

I do mind that John Lennon beat the hell out of the women in his life and gets worshiped like he's fucking Gandhi simply because he wrote one truly great song and got killed by a nut.

Yeah, I cried the day Lennon died and even if he was an asshole it is still sad he died but damn, that man was a major-league asshole. No hero of mine.

[Xyzse]

179. I agree with this.

He is no hero of mine.

However, too young to know any better when he passed away.
Thinking about it, was I even born yet... Hmmm...

[Nitram]

201. So, Luthier, you don't believe people can change?

It seems to me John changed a great deal for the better after working through some serious emotional issues. In fact, that's exactly what he was saying: "I USED TO Be cruel to my woman...but it's getting better all the time." I think they call it redemption.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

115. "Run For Your Life" is pretty bad though

Even Lennon admitted he thought it went too far.

[pacalo]

123. Parents just can't be overbearing enough these days.

Point well made.

[joshcryer]

124. You know when Pretzel and Manny are on the same page, shit is fucked up.

[seabeyond]

138. ya. two MEN mocking feminism and women in general is so far out there. that would be the bonding

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of the man card, right? you know. the norm. kinda like a couple whites get together and mock black voice on bigotry. you know, immediate solidarity, unity, bonding. peer group. high fives, all around.

hey... lets try it. then we can all have a good giggle at the expense of our AA community.

[bettyellen]

156. there was already a fairly well recieved mocking of African Americans and their hilarious

"watermelon problem". Wow, the beat goes on.

[seabeyond]

160. i hadnt heard of that. but that so many people that do not have an issue with that is disgustingly

shameful. i know i say that too often. i cannot imagine a human being, that feels they have the right to mock, ridicule, insult others simply for standing up for what they believe in, civil rights, legal rights, human rights.

[msanthrope]

150. Nice post, Hitler!

Sure....use the oppression smilie.

[Enthusiast]

125. As a father, you are an example to us all.

[seabeyond]

126. so, really this is just another call out thread with women. as so many in this thread whine about

"gender war" suggesting and stating hofs are the big bad meanies picking and bullying on all of du.

yet, here is another thread, one of many, starting shit, insulting, mocking, snarking at a group of women.

some might want to reflect who the issue is. not us. inevitably it is some one else throwing the first punch. and for whatever reason, the board has a huge ass issue with the women ending the fight with a knock out. becomes us as the issue.

got it.

the last couple days, repeatedly, i have seen this in GD

might check how many OPs i have start, whining about this shit, or created flambait.

might wnat to check how many of the flamebait threads were started by people like you manny, with no greater intent but to mock women on du.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

132. ^^^ this ^^^

[NCTraveler]

136. Well stated. Thanks. nt.

[MadrasT]

140. It's really sad. Pitiful, even.

Yet another poster who refuses to try to see the world from outside their bubble, and thinks it's all just something to make fun of.

[MannyGoldstein]

141. Is there a problem?

Be specific, please. My son would love his Beatles back!

[MannyGoldstein]

144. I posit that many Beatles songs are not fit listening

because of objectification of females, and so forth. Do you agree or not?

If not, why?

[seabeyond]

145. i do not give a flying fuck. i do care about mocking, insulting feminists and women on du. and a

thread of like minded duers playing along with you.

[MannyGoldstein]

146. I'm a little confused here.

I thought that I was doing the right thing by getting rid of music that objectifies women. But now you're angry at me.

I guess I'll have to figure this out on my own.

[fleabiscuit]

148. Hell even I know that's bullshit.

Unless you worked hard to disguise it. Sorry if I hurt you.

[bettyellen]

153. it is complete bullshit- maybe next he'll mock asians, LGBTs or the homeless....

because African Americans and women have been ticked off his list.

[TheSarcastinator]

163. gottit. anyone who disagrees with your hyperbolic ranting = racist

Thanks for the update on your completely disingenuous discussion tactics.

[fleabiscuit]

170. I'm curious

~You starting over or something?

[MannyGoldstein]

171. "discussion tactic"?

Charitable characterization.

How about "accusing people of awful stuff without producing evidence"?

[bettyellen]

182. Anyone can search for your mocking AAs here...

And for your subsequent apology.
History, Manny. Now you've made your mark here. It's completely fair to speculate who you'll deride next for "over sensitivity".

[MannyGoldstein]

186. I didn't think so.

Have a nice day.

[bettyellen]

188. You deny mocking African Americans? Seriously?

[MannyGoldstein]

189. Do you deny stomping puppies to death?

Seriously?

[bettyellen]

191. You apologized for it, but deny it still? Lol.

Okay then, good day.

[JustAnotherGen]

198. Call on me bettyellen

Call on me!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024472335

I can't try to identify 'intent' by a poster at DU - but I think once again - what gets said in PM's and in other places away from DU in speaks volumes.

Just in case you forgot - this was *I think* in response to black Americans and specifically those at DU (to include this star member) being kind of about a school celebrating black history month by serving 'stereotypical' foods. I think MrScorpio did a pretty good job - if anyone is interested in digging into this stereotype of pointing out just why the school was being ignorant.

Then the same poster posted an apology.

Okay - so in the 'margins' we all sort of discussed it and well - it's like when someone says, "Hey no offense!" after making a joke about black people around black people.

You wink, smile, maybe even nod your head - but that individual is never to be respected again. Polite is one thing- respect or taking seriously is another.

In real life - nothing to do with DU or even this thread - just in real life I tend to treat those people that I encounter as too wet to step on and too low to kick because they *think* they've gotten away with something but then I can always come to DU and ridicule them or snicker and giggle about it with my husband.

Just snicker and giggle - because you aren't crazy. That happened. We both know it happened. And from this distance it seems so obvious . . .

[Tuesday Afternoon]

211. ^^Rock On^^

[bettyellen]

235. Yes- getting away with it, dog whistling racist and sexist shit

Has become a real pastime here at DU.
Of course you can't "get away" with it unless you play it real dumb- while angrily calling for links. Not indulging anyone who needs to play at ignorance. Not fetching links for the willfully obtuse.

[JustAnotherGen]

237. Hey

Let me fetch that other link for you!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024478358

We really need a blinking while innocent smiley/emoticon at DU.

And now this one goes in my journal too - for safe keeping.

[bettyellen]

243. Lotsa innocent blinking going on here....

Not buying it.

[JustAnotherGen]

245. Me either

But we both need to write that and post it - and I'm glad you did. I'm glad I did.

They can't 'alert' on us. No profanity, no personal attacks . . . and neither of our user names begin with a lower case 's'.

[Number23]

299. Oh girl, you ain't seen nothing til you see the post with over 300 recs OPENLY pining for the Good

Old Days. And when called out REPEATEDLY by posters who accused the OP of racial insensitivity, actually did the blinking "who me?" bit. And I'm sure that was minutes before launching yet another attack on President Obama and another "God I SOOOO love FDR!1" post.

But yeah, we're not supposed to notice all of this. We're supposed to just clap like bleating sheep ignoring the not even subtle dog whistles and bullshit. As disgusting as the posts you linked to were they are merely side dishes on the hot steaming plate of crap this person deals out regularly and to overwhelming applause from the masses here. Welcome to DU, JAG.

[bettyellen]

307. Oh fuck no....

I'd ask you to shoot me a link but I
Have no right- usually tell
People to piss off, lol.

[JustAnotherGen]

314. Oh dear

I wonder if they were on ignore at the time. For awhile I had a few key words completely trashed so I wouldn't be bothered by nonsense.

Is that one where I would have to give my new "canned" response of "Oh Fiddle Dee!"? Sounds like it would be REALLY appropriate for that one!

[msanthrope]

351. You Better Believe It! Do you remember what finally did that troll in? A dedicated

brigade of BOGgers met every single OP by that particular poster with sourcechecking, short, appropriate posts noting the sources, and the fallacies of the argument, and relentless linking to other outrageous and sometimes contradictory OPs, and you know what happened? Fewer and fewer people started recc'ing those threads, and fewer and fewer posting in them.


Eventually, BBI just kept posting righter and righter memes....and got their pizza.

Catch this--

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4339715

[Number23]

356. Sounds like a plan, msanthrope!

Sounds like a hell of a plan.

[marble falls]

266. Meanwhile not adressing whether there's been any oversensitivity or not.....

You just give Manny a slam and accusation and leave his question completely unanswered directly. Unless you think turnabout is fair play.

[bettyellen]

364. I stomped ALL the puppies! But then ....I'm not the kind of ass who blatantly does things and

then gets all cutesy with the denials.

[marble falls]

365. So that's not the kind of ass you are, what kind of ass are you?

[bettyellen]

366. the kind that drinks the last beer and forgets to buy more.

and of course- there's the puppy stomping.

[marble falls]

367. Well, I guess that's the kind of ass I am, too. Peace, sister. Manny is a bigger friend to .....

women than you think.

[JustAnotherGen]

202. I can't believe someone alerted on this

Seriously sea - because someone needed the vapors because they read the word 'fuck' or something. It doesn't bother me - we do it in this house often!

[Vashta Nerada]

259. The jury made the right decision on that post.

[LanternWaste]

223. I posit that many people minimize and trivialize the abuse suffered by women and pretend that they'r

I posit that many people minimize and trivialize the abuse suffered by women, and further pretend that they're merely being satirical rather than acknowledging their own vulgar truths and cowardice...




No rationalizations necessary though, as the allegations would be little more than allegations.

[fleabiscuit]

147. Wow.

Perhaps the noob in me, but when I started reading the first post I assumed manny was a woman. Interesting, that's messed up, going to have to think about it. Thanks.

edit> BTW, fleabiscuit > dude

[1000words]

224. Someone will be taking a short break ...

again.

[OilemFirchen]

225. Isn't it a pity?

Isn't it a shame?

[DLevine]

226. Yes it is a shame, actually.

It's a shame that it's ok to mock DU feminists but not ok to call someone out on it.

[msanthrope]

151. Ah...but it is your participation that makes it a 'successful' call out thread. I would pick

my battles more judiciously.

[bettyellen]

152. many here noted it was a callout before Sea did- this is up there with Manny's watermelon joke

[msanthrope]

159. I'll type this more slowly...it is seabeyond's participation that makes this thread a successful

call out. Now, there's a couple of others to go before Manny gets a trifecta.

[bettyellen]

190. So, who was he baiting while laughing at African Americans?

For being so darned over sensitive when it comes to watermelon jokes? And who is next?

[msanthrope]

192. I didn't see the post you are referring to. Did you alert on it?

Can you link to it?

[bettyellen]

238. From what I have seen - you're awesome at dredging u

Old stuff, and I am not. Start with MG and all tenses of the words apology. Because he did, thank god, try and smooth that one over.

[marble falls]

269. So you refuse to prove it? Well I did what you suggested and came up bupkis.

[bettyellen]

277. There are links posted here for a while now...

Scan above the post that says rock on ^^^

[MannyGoldstein]

169. Perhaps you can link to my "watermelon joke"?

Thanks.

[seabeyond]

158. yawl pretend witht he obvious. isnt that embarrassing, or do you see yourself as clever? or do you

just not give a fuck what that says about you.

i have a brother that has lied for a lifetime. a chronic liar. all his life. even when there was no need to lie, he does. i asked him once why? why do you lie when you know we know you are lying.

even when we call out his lie, he lies.

he told me, keep the lie going and you do not have to hear or own the shit.

i do not get the person that lives under the illusion simply denying makes a truth. totally fuckin beyond my ability to understand

but, whatever.

[msanthrope]

162. You really missed the point, didn't you? Of course he's being obvious.

And you jump right in!

[seabeyond]

167. so, you figure i should just shut the fuck up. cause shutting the fuck up has always been so

productive for any minority group.

head down and take the shit. not gonna happen. it gets worse. free for all.

and that would be any kind of situation you choose to look at. not just women issues, or attacks toward hof. keeping silent is not the answer. it is part of the problem.

[msanthrope]

173. I think you should decide what is beneath your notice and what needs to go to eleven.

This is a mocking thread on the Internet. Is it a boulder, a rock, a pebble, or a grain of sand that keeps women from achieving full equality? React accordingly.

[seabeyond]

178. there are plenty of threads i do not bother with. this one and a couple others, i bothered with.

i can name ten that i had no interest in.

thank you for the advice.

[msanthrope]

187. You know, I'd keep my eye out for a particular type of thread....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4386600

Threads that use sexist tropes to the political detriment of women are all the rage here.

[TheSarcastinator]

165. you ask for restraint

from the injudicious and impulsive? Good luck!

[msanthrope]

168. Well, not everything needs to go to eleven....nt

[boston bean]

194. I presume. the way you criticize, that you have always been the least opinionated,

forceful person there is on DU, right?

[msanthrope]

196. There you are! Manny's almost got a hat trick! nt

[boston bean]

197. Well, I remember just such a short while, 2 days ago

making demands of me to do something for you I could not possibly do.

It really was quite forceful. and uncalled for, and really had nothing to do with the thread. I guess you could say you were my first in a hat trick? There were more than three in there for me though.

[msanthrope]

199. Still upset about that? nt

[boston bean]

203. no, just point out a fact. thought it might be helpful for some reflection. nt

[msanthrope]

208. You just can't resist the urge to educate us all, and keep kicking this thread, can you? nt

[boston bean]

210. I guess, I post on DU. Just as you do. That is what I would say.

[marble falls]

270. Seabeyond kinda proved your point.

[1000words]

311. And, how!

Two hides in one thread.

[pintobean]

321. Flagged for review again.

[Vashta Nerada]

161. Seems as though the community agrees with Manny more than they agree with the

"wrongness" of the SI swimsuit issue.

[seabeyond]

164. not really. plenty of people equally agree with recommend at the wrongness. 152 rec at this point.

regardless, starting an OP to specifically insult women, womens concerns is wrong. always wrong. and that should be called out by everyone or it is only a contribution to bullying at will.

tell me. i hear manny also had a long ole post with a joke about the pres and watermelon. cause people played in that thread, did it make mocking AA and our AA community right?

[MannyGoldstein]

174. Either link to the "watermelon" post you allege or apologize

Enough is enough.

[bettyellen]

216. You pretend you don't remember it? And ask me

For an apology? Please hold your breath, while you look up thread where others posted the link.
If you genuinely don't remember any of it, perhaps you need a neurologist?

[MannyGoldstein]

236. Nothing in that thread about watermelon, or laughing at African Americans

Put up or shut up.

[bettyellen]

268. You were poking fun of African Americans' issue with watermelon humour

And you did acknowledge it. Not sure how back pedaling now is a smart plan. Doesn't fool anyone.

[MannyGoldstein]

272. No. I explicitly did not acknowledge that.

At least not in the English language that I speak.

As Benjamin Franklin wrote, "Half a truth is often a great lie."

Which would make you a great...

[bettyellen]

276. Right, you obliquely admitted it in a round about apologetic way.

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You referred to it as making fun of a situation- ignoring that the situation involved people reacting to prejudice-

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4478358

Do you actually think anyone believes this crap? Seriously?

[MannyGoldstein]

281. I "obliquely" admitted it?

Holy cow.

Anything else that I "obliquely" confessed to?

[bettyellen]

284. Oh dear- you seem to think we need you to translate what you post?

This OP is a sarcastic slam at feminists here. That you lack the courage to admit it changes nothing. I know you'd prefer people believe you didn't also mock African Americans who are insulted by watermelon jokes by devoting an OP to doing just that- but that horse left the barn. You can't Unring those bells and pretend you're not belittling good people here. It happened. And here you are again.

You've been enjoying creating a hostile environment for women and people of color to the extent that a lot of people now believe you're just here to fuck up DU and be divisive. It is what it is.

[MannyGoldstein]

285. Clearly, *you* need me to translate what I post.

Most others, not so much.

[bettyellen]

288. Play coy to the extent you need to.

Your "slightly risky swipe" was at The expense of people- African Americans who were calling out racism. They are not a "situation" you commented on, but people with a progressive pov that you thoughtlessly mocked.

Kind of like this thread- except here you pretend it's not a "swipe" at feminists. Not sure why you'd think that's credible.



http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4478358

There's really no other defense for this crap.

[Squinch]

127. Absolutely, Manny. There's no reason to ever reconsider the mores of the 60's. Cause they were keen.

[cntrygrl]

129. Brings to mind a

song recorded by the Coasters, Get An Ugly Girl To Marry You in '63. Lyrics:
Chorus:
If you wanna be happy for the rest of your life,
Never make a pretty woman your wife.
So from my personal point of view,
Get an ugly girl to marry you.

Chorus

A pretty woman makes her husband look small,
And very often causes his downfall.
As soon as he marries her, then she starts,
To do the things that will break his heart.

But if you make an ugly woman your wife,
You'll be happy for the rest of your life.
An ugly woman cooks meals all the time,
She'll always give you peace of mind.

Chorus

Don't let your friends say you have no taste,
Go ahead and marry anyway.
Her face is ugly, her eyes don't match.
Take it from me, she's a better catch.

Chorus

Say, man?
Hey baby!
I saw your wife the other day.
Yeah?
Yeah, and she's sure is ugly. Ha!
Yeah, she's ugly, but she sure can cook, baby!
Yeah, alright.
Unfortunately, she has acne.
That's a shame, baby.
Yeah, baby.

[Autumn]

131. Good for you Manny

Train these young ones right.

[deutsey]

137. You did the right thing...The Beatles are evil, as this expose proves

[RBStevens]

253. Now that is an awesome piece of ephemera!

[warrprayer]

139. that mustard cuts

... both ways!

Don't mess with badass Tina!

[hootinholler]

142. You've never heard the "Too Fat Polka?"

I don't want her you can have her she's too fat for me, hey!

Gosh Manny, you're slipping.

[treestar]

149. It was 1963

And I suppose a 17 year old of today knows more than one of 1963. the younger generation actually does make friends with members of the opposite sex first. A lot of progress has occurred in real life people. Naturally men of 1963 were fully privileged and once they married her, could expect her to be what they wanted her to be rather than herself.

[malthaussen]

154. I must admit, I never have known what they meant...

"Well, she was just 17, you know what I mean?"

Presumably, they meant she was just 17.

Always reminds me of "Little Queenie." Which the Beatles covered in their Hamburg days.

-- Mal

[msanthrope]

166. I think Monty Python tried to explain it....

http://m.

&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Dona-RhLfRfc

[valerief]

155. So that's what the teenagers are wearing nowadays! nt

[ConservativeDemocrat]

157. Political correctness run amok

Wow, Manny. Declaring as "beyond the pale" a Beetles song about a young lady who is so attractive that she puts thoughts of exclusivity into the singer?

I think your war isn't with "Republicans" or even "Conservatives". It's with the natural tendencies of the human race.

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

[DLevine]

172. What is this, piss on DU feminists week? WTF.

Shameful, shit-stirring post.

[DeadLetterOffice]

318. Sure as hell feels like it from here... n/t

[MrScorpio]

175. What's age of legal consent in England, Manny

I think that you need to point that out to him

[MannyGoldstein]

181. Legal consent? To dance?

Oh dear God... you don't think that song was about...

[MrScorpio]

185. It's ALWAYS about that

Think of dancing as a metaphor to hold off the censors of the day

[muriel_volestrangler]

209. Well, it's actually 16

and has been since 1885: http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/0/20097046

But "she was just sixteen" wouldn't scan so well ...

[Android3.14]

180. Woot woot!

Nicely done.

[Zorra]

183. Here's a wholesome Muppets sing along instructional music video for teenage boys:

Put another log on the fire
Cook me up some bacon & some beans
And go out to the car & change the tire
Wash my socks and sew my old blue jeans
Come on baby you can fill my pipe & then go fetch my slippers
And boil me up another pot of tea
Then put another log on the fire babe

And come & tell me why you're leaving me

Now don't I let you wash the car on Sunday
And don't I warn you when you're gettin fat
Ain't I a gonna take you fishin' with me someday
Well a man can't love a woman more than that
And ain't I always nice to your kid sister
Don't I take her driving every night
So sit here at my feet cause I like you when you're sweet
And you know it ain't feminine to fight

So put another log on the fire
Cook me up some bacon & some beans
Go out to to the car & lift it up & change the tire
Wash my socks & sew my old blue jeans
Come on baby you can fill my pipe & then go fetch my slippers
And boil me up another pot of tea
Then put another log on the fire babe
And come & tell me why you're leaving me

[TomClash]

184. Nah, give him this

[fleabiscuit]

195. The last I looked music was big business.

The Beatles were the Justin Bieber of the day, who sold to a particular demographic through a corporation. Meh, the 4 biebs before they got moody.

[H2O Man]

205. Baa!

[AgingAmerican]

213. Rico suave

[malaise]

215. ROFL

Seriously

[napkinz]

217. OMG! "Day Tripper" and "Norwegian Wood" are about lesbians and prostitutes!

[brooklynite]

221. Sorry, but "Lovely Rita, Meter Maid" is far worse...

Physically objectifying AND gender role stereotypes.

The horror.....

[BainsBane]

227. You seem confused

Watch this. Hopefully it will help.

As originally posted by Jamaal510.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024513257

[AgingAmerican]

241. There is plenty of confusion to go around

This video might help clear up some of YOUR confusion!

[BainsBane]

246. What confusion is that?

That this is 2014? I know the fact society progresses is a hard pill to swallow, but it happens regardless.

[AgingAmerican]

247. Social progress need not include

sexual repression. Sexual repression is regressive, not progressive.

My wife is the perfect 'feminist'. When I met her, she drove a nicer car than I did, in fact she still does. She only wears makeup when she goes to work, otherwise not (she doesn't need it to look hot). She has always been sexually aggressive and is extremely feminine. She is an alpha female and a workaholic. She enjoys attention from men, and knows how to get what she wants. She is also extremely loyal as a spouse. She is the best of all worlds, IMHO.

She is scared of mice though. Seriously, if she sees a mouse she screams to high heaven....just like that cartoon wife standing on the chair in the kitchen. I love everything about her.

[BainsBane]

249. Who said anything about sexual repression?

You didn't watch the video did you? What are you afraid of?

[AgingAmerican]

251. I watched that video yesterday

Didnt you hear? Repressed heterosexuality is the new feminism! Or so a very tiny group of people would have us believe.....

[BainsBane]

256. The only ones who believes that

Are those who deliberately choose to misunderstand and/or oppose equality, who insist on making caricatures out of feminist ideas because they are desperate to hang on to or prop up privilege. Laci Green makes videos about sex. Obviously she isn't suggesting repression. She begins the video by talking about how she wants to promote sex positivity. That should have been clear to anyone who understands the English language. Laci's point was about women acting as subjects, just as men do, rather than objects. Remember the bit about acting rather than being acted upon? Anyone who learned how to diagram sentences, which I'm guessing you are old enough to have done, should know the difference between a subject and an object. In her analogy, the object is the scissors and she is the subject. The object exists for her to do something to, just as the media presents women as objects for male pleasure rather subjects acting according to their own sexual interests.

Amazing, it is possible to have a full sex life without reducing women to objects. It's possible to enjoy sex without elevating the profits of corporate capitalism above human rights. Believe it or not, it's not being sexually uptight to oppose pedophilia or rape, or support the Civil Rights Act of 1964 as it is used to combat sexual harassment and a hostile work environment. As much as you find it difficult to comprehend, your sexuality is not intrinsically linked to capitalist commodity fetishism. Human beings did manage to procreate before Sports Illustrated and rape porn. I know that concept is shocking to some around here. They can't image a human existence before they took their instructions of what to think and feel about women from corporate media conglomerates. Nonetheless, people have been happily having sex for thousands of years.

If you still make that comment about sexual repression after watching the video, it's clear that you choose not to understand.

[AgingAmerican]

258. Objectification goes all ways

People dont like OTHER peoples objectification, but everyone does it. Men objectify women, women objectify men. Gay men objectify other gay men and lesbians objectify other lesbians.

Folks always have and always will objectify people they are attracted to. The urge to objectify is universal, and so long as it's fairly and respectfully indulged, it's not offensive, not a problem, and not news.

Feminism also objectifies women, but in a different way.

The 'sexual repression of heterosexuality' comment had nothing to do with the video. It has to do with the ongoing message pushed in these 'gender wars' threads.

Just my 2 cents....

[BainsBane]

334. So you didn't watch the video

or you don't want to understand. Because if you had, you wouldn't continue to repeat the same nonsense. It isn't particularly complicated. It's geared toward high-school and college kids.

There is no message of sexual repression by feminists. There is an excuse by men who insist that only they should have full dominion over everything in life, including what is posted on DU. They use that trope as excuse for holding on to power and demeaning and disrespecting women on this site. Most people can see through the whole charade perfectly clearly. It's all about asserting male domination. They don't respect feminists and indeed most of the members of this site enough to bother to listen to their concerns. That is as true for African Americans and Muslims as it is for feminists, as is evident to anyone who bothers to read the threads in the AA and Muslim groups. All they care about is themselves, what they want, and their determination to maintain DU as their little fiefdom of power, perhaps because they lack power in their own lives.

The kind of shit that goes on in DU hasn't been acceptable in any workplace that follows the law, in any congressional office, or Democratic Party office in well over 25 years. I don't know where people have been the last few decades that this sort of thing comes to news to them. It is all prohibited by federal law as part of a hostile environment.

Whatever. I'm done dealing with people who make clear that my concerns don't matter enough to even attempt to understand. I don't exist to them as a full human being with equal rights, so they don't exist to me.

[AgingAmerican]

336. Sigh

nt

[treestar]

292. It's not repression

to want equality. This is like the false charge of "prudery." Why is your wife illustrative of anything? She is one person in a patriarchal society. Glad she meets your needs (until some day she decides she wants to do something you don't want her to do).

[AgingAmerican]

296. She does things I dont want her to do all the time

As I said, she is an alpha female. My wife is perfectly illustrative of a woman being simultaneously feminine and feminist.

[treestar]

290. that is good

yeah why can't women be subjects too.

[Chaco Dundee]

230. you could do better

You should have bought some lederhosen for the kid to go along with that polka and a chamberpot to go with the chamber music.now there would have been some tears of joy.or you could have explained that the beatles where not much older then 17 when they wrote the lyrics and that is quite normal at that age.you could have said their outstanding creations are still loved after 50 years of success which enriched all music,as well as polka and select chamber music..

[LynneSin]

232. So you gave your son "Beer Barrel Polka"

Teaching your child to drink booze - shame!

[DeSwiss]

240. I shudder to think......

...what will happen when you get to Dear Prudence, (a song written by John Lennon especially for Prudence Farrow to cheer her up! It worked).

- My god man, this could change the world!!!!

K&R!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The Beatles
Dear Prudence, won't you come out to play
Dear Prudence, greet the brand new day
The sun is up, the sky is blue
It's beautiful and so are you
Dear Prudence won't you come out and play
Dear Prudence open up your eyes
Dear Prudence see the sunny skies
The wind is low the birds will sing
That you are part of everything
Dear Prudence won't you open up your eyes?
Look around round
Look around round round
Look around
Dear Prudence let me see you smile
Dear Prudence like a little child
The clouds will be a daisy chain
So let me see you smile again
Dear Prudence won't you let me see you smile?

[napkinz]

242. John had said Yoko helped open his eyes ...

[JustAnotherGen]

254. Not surprised

Hasn't it been documented the he was physically and verbally abusive to both of his wives and a monumental asshole to his oldest son?

[napkinz]

257. I think John had admitted he was an abusive husband and a terrible father (to Julian)

From what I've read, Yoko helped him to see the light.

That's why he dropped out of the music scene in 1975 and spent the next five years devoting himself to Sean.

[JustAnotherGen]

264. I thought that

Biography/expose in 2008 was pretty clear that he continued to knock her around even after he dropped out.

Eh? Not a fan of the Beatles. For music from the golden oldies era I'd rather listen to The Doors. Even just comparing Lennon to Lenny Kravitz (my gen x era) - he blows Lennon away.

[cui bono]

261. Fail. Why are you ridiculing women? No other point to this OP.

You missed the mark in a big way this time.

[bettyellen]

273. Yet he denies it completely....

Which is pretty fucking spineless, if you ask me. Now he wasn't mocking people being bothered by watermelon jokes with his stupid Jewish food jokes.
It's always the same BS, there is no allowing for context- it's been all about mocking feminists or African Americans and saying "who ME?" *blinks innocently*.
Not going to play this "game" as these kids like to call it.

[Warren DeMontague]

357. Thus it is written, that him whot deniedeth it

Suppliedeth it.

Amen.

[Waiting For Everyman]

262. Objectify!

Polythene Pam / Bathroom Window

Well you should see Polythene Pam
She's so good looking but she looks like a man
Well you should see her in drag dressed in her polythene bag
Yes you should see Polythene Pam
Yeah, yeah, yeah
Get a dose of her in jackboots and kilt
She's killer-diller when she's dressed to the hilt
She's the kind of a girl that makes the "News of the World"
Yes you could say she was attractively built
Yeah, yeah, yeah

This thread is a new low, it broke the internet for me -- because it made me sympathize with the HoFers more than the anti-HoFers. This week, the anti's keep reminding me of this, over and over, every thread...

"...I'm a m-model, you know what I mean, and I do my little turn on the catwalk... I shake my little tush on the catwalk..."

Just goes to show this objectifying schtick is anything but new (roughly the same age as tv, and me). And it's getting real boring by now. I keep thinking this fad has to end sometime, but no, decade after decade it never does. And all the while, it's taken to be so trendy, the latest thing. HA! That does crack me up!

[MineralMan]

263. You can do better than this, Manny.

Truly.

[bettyellen]

291. He's coyly maintaining this is a genuine post about

Wanting to censor the Beatles. Do you think one single poster actually believes that? But... As long as he sticks to the script, right?

[MineralMan]

300. Yabbut look at all tbe DUrecs.

[Bonobo]

303. Perhaps you should consider more deeply what the recs truly signify.

Do they represent disdain for women? Misogyny even?

Or is it more likely that they reflect the fact that, in this world of economic troubles, murder, mayhem and climate change, people want sex and sexuality to remain lighthearted and fun enough to enable us to, yes, look at some T&A without flipping out and making it into a huge issue.

First world problems indeed.

[MineralMan]

304. I consider everything carefully, thanks.

[Bonobo]

305. And modest as well! nt

[marble falls]

265. Three words, manny, "dis-cip-line". Why wasn't he at his job working? .....

http://ts3.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.4944212945076354&pid=15.1&H=253&W=160

[dipsydoodle]

267. Is there some subtle hidden reason for posting the words of a 1963 song written in the UK ?

Unless you were here then, which I doubt, you couldn't possibly relate.

[MannyGoldstein]

274. Your contention is that the song relates an experience that's unique to the UK?

Which is why it sold a zillion copies in the US and elsewhwere?

Or am I missing something in your claim?

[dipsydoodle]

283. Referred to our UK dance halls

and the US picked up the Beatles second hand.

You want to post some lyrics try Wynonie Harris.

[MannyGoldstein]

286. We don't have dances in the US?

Where the same stuff happens?

You sure about that?

[dipsydoodle]

302. None of them had been to the US as individuals when they wrote that

and so would not necessarily have related aside from which I didn't mention your dance halls. You made what you wanted to of the words oblivious to the fact that in most of our dance halls the average age was only about 17 anyway then.

You might also like to try substituting another teen number if you can find one with two syllables. Its just a song with no malintent.

[MannyGoldstein]

306. Oh! I'm sorry, the OP was satire, perhaps too dry.

I Saw Her Standing There is a perfectly excellent song. Because it's a fine song, I was hoping to make the point that it's possible to get too carried away with screaming about sexual objectification.

[bettyellen]

312. I preferred your satire about how its possible for African Americans to

Get "carried away" being offended by racist jokes. Love all this stuff where you display ignorance over topics - racially charged words and their history, what objectification actually is (and it's not about that song)- and go on to ridicule "the situation" created by DUers who give a shit discussing it here.
I guess there's not enough room in GD for "other" peoples concerns. God forbid!

[MannyGoldstein]

313. LOL.

You're utterly full of bull, but your unflappability in the face of cold, hard reality earns you plucky-points.

[OKNancy]

271. Bunch of creeps ... Kiev is burning and this is what you discuss

Not so much that it is discussed but this thread has 4 posts...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014731316

and this one is over 270.

It pisses me off.

[MannyGoldstein]

279. Yours is the best response in this thread

Sad to say.

[madrchsod]

298. i have`t bothered to post this one cause it won`t get anywhere either

this is really interesting....

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/02/i-crashed-a-wall-street-secret-society.html

[Pretzel_Warrior]

322. maybe you should post more on the issue.

or preface your remarks with photos of Ukrainian women when you do post.

Just trying to help.

Additionally, there are a LOT of threads on Ukraine situation now.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

280. Johann Strauss

"Wine, Women and Song."

An endorsement of date rape? I say we nuke from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

[madrchsod]

297. this is what led me to moral depravity...

i blame it on my sisters who played this on the stereo and of course dick clark

and this one!

[onehandle]

310. LOL! nt

[LittleBlue]

315. This thread is a classic. Don't know which is funnier

Manny's humor or the people getting super upset by Manny.

It's as if people have never been in a Manny thread.

[dflprincess]

317. I recommend a little Lawrence Welk and a "lovely modern day spirtual"

And, believe me, it's worth clicking on the link. Lawrence appears at the end. (And you have wonder why the first announcer is coughing.)

[napkinz]

325. "a lovely modern day spirtual"

[madrchsod]

331. the lennon sisters were hot!

i got to stay up late cause my grandmother watched lawrence welk.. it`s a long story.

[yewberry]

324. Wow, I'm totally convinced!

There's no reason to worry about objectification... someone screaming "Suck my dick!" from a car is exactly the same as a cute Beatles song!

Thanks, Manny, I've really seen the light.

[MannyGoldstein]

326. You know, that's exactly what I said!

In an alternate reality.

[yewberry]

339. Tell you what

When you get threatened in the street as part of your everyday life (as opposed to being scolded on the internet) then you can talk to me about objectification, righty-o?

[redqueen]

346. Well said. nt

[GoneOffShore]

333. Thanks Manny. Just got to watch DU go all Ouroboros. Again.

[1000words]

341. More than anything, DU amuses me.

Delightfully cartoonish, at times.

[Fumesucker]

347. DU used to piss me off big time sometimes

Now it just cracks me up, that's even more addictive than the anger was.

I've been laughing since I logged on this evening.

[1000words]

348. I lurked DU for years and years ...

There were times I would scream at the screen. When I stopped taking it so seriously, I knew it was time to finally create an account.

[blackspade]

350. This is satire fail.

We all like attractive people. But this is a political discussion board not Facebook.

[nomorenomore08]

360. You know, I like a lot of your posts, but this one is a swing and a miss... Just my opinion...

Few of the objections to the SI thing have anything to do with "prudishness" - more to do with how unattainable standards of beauty affect people's (moreso women's) self-esteem.

[Harmony Blue]

361. They puritan outrage pollice

is very hypocritical.

SI swimsuit issue is older than me and way before I was born.