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n2doc

(47,953 posts)
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 04:00 PM Jan 2014

A markup of 279,000% over production costs


AHF to Ask States to Block Gilead’s $1,000 per Pill Hepatitis Drug From Medicaid Formularies
Gilead is not the original developer of Sovaldi, its new Hepatitis C medication that will cost $84,000 for a 12-week course of treatment; instead, it bought the drug developer, rival company Pharmasett, for $11 billion cash in 2011. Gilead now seeks a bonanza on a financial investment by gouging cash-strapped government programs, treating states like Gilead’s own private—rigged—stock market.At $1,000 per pill, Sovaldi price is 1,100% more than Gilead’s AIDS drug combination Stribild ($80 per pill); pharmacy industry sources say Solvaldi’s price suggests a retail markup of 279,000% over production costs.


WASHINGTON, Jan 29, 2014 (BUSINESS WIRE) -- In a series of letters to be sent to state Medicaid directors starting today, AIDS Healthcare Foundation (AHF) President Michael Weinstein will ask the state directors to block Gilead Sciences’ new $1,000-per-pill Hepatitis C drug Sovaldi (sofosbuvir) from inclusion on their respective state Medicaid and other drug formularies. The drug was approved by the F.D.A. on December 6, 2013 and Gilead immediately announced that it would price the drug at $84,000 for a twelve-week course of treatment—or $1,000 per tablet—making it one of the most expensive drugs ever marketed. Suggested treatment guidelines also require that Sovaldi be used with another drug, ribavirin (a nucleoside inhibitor), further adding to the cost of the prohibitively expensive course of treatment.

“When is enough, enough? At $1,000-per-pill, Sovaldi is priced 1,100% more than Gilead’s most expensive AIDS drug, Stribild, its four-in-one AIDS drug combination, which was priced at $80 per pill a year ago when it came to market,” said Michael Weinstein , President of AIDS Healthcare Foundation. “At that time, Stribild’s price was 35% more than Atripla, the company’s best selling combination HIV/AIDS treatment, and made Stribild the highest priced first-line combination AIDS therapy. Now, Gilead has set a new benchmark for unbridled greed with its outrageous price for Sovaldi—a price that some pharmacy industry sources suggest represents a retail markup of 279,000% over the cost of actually producing the drug.”


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http://www.marketwatch.com/story/ahf-to-ask-states-to-block-gileads-1000-per-pill-hepatitis-drug-from-medicaid-formularies-2014-01-29
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A markup of 279,000% over production costs (Original Post) n2doc Jan 2014 OP
Recommend...it sounds like Pharma gone Wild... KoKo Jan 2014 #1
Yes, well, they need the money to pay the executives siligut Jan 2014 #2
that is utterly obscene.... mike_c Jan 2014 #3
There is a hep C treatment vaccine in the works now . . . siligut Jan 2014 #7
Keep in mind this tidbit: their salaries are tax deductable Nictuku Jan 2014 #9
GILD doesn't pay dividends, but they are 99% owned by institutions siligut Jan 2014 #16
What do you mean by institutions? El_Johns Jan 2014 #51
Mutual Funds, Money Management Companies, Trusts siligut Jan 2014 #53
Thanks. Another question: Is there a site where one can see the top investors in Gilead? El_Johns Jan 2014 #56
I use Yahoo Finance quite often, here is a link siligut Jan 2014 #58
Thanks again. Very helpful, already I find that Gilead's 2nd-largest holder, FMC LLC is controlled El_Johns Jan 2014 #59
R & D IS Expensive, but eepatt Jan 2014 #11
Most of pharmas research arikara Jan 2014 #22
Most pharmaceutical R&D is paid for by the U.S. taxpayers TransitJohn Jan 2014 #36
Those ads are playing constantly AllyCat Jan 2014 #43
They spend more on advertising by a long shot. El_Johns Jan 2014 #49
It is pure greed and it is very wrong but.... proudretiredvet Jan 2014 #37
Government does the majority of basic R&D for big pharma. El_Johns Jan 2014 #50
OK, the top 5 selling drugs. proudretiredvet Feb 2014 #60
Disgusting and obscene! SammyWinstonJack Feb 2014 #68
holding the ill hostage....criminal spanone Jan 2014 #4
very important story frwrfpos Jan 2014 #5
Bloodsuckers. johnnyreb Jan 2014 #6
"Get a rope!" another_liberal Jan 2014 #8
gouging of course, but percentages are deceptive whatthehey Jan 2014 #10
They grossly overpaid for the Pharmasset and now want to hold the sick hostage for their greed kristopher Jan 2014 #18
I hope this one gets "World Wide Coverage"..everywhere Stuart G Jan 2014 #12
Indian pharmacies JackHughes Jan 2014 #13
There's also hardly any innovation in Indian Pharmacies either. NobodyHere Jan 2014 #38
k & r! n/t wildbilln864 Jan 2014 #14
Unconscionable Brainstormy Jan 2014 #15
Those behind this sort of maneuver sulphurdunn Jan 2014 #17
It's like a funeral home gouging and then saying, "Didn't you love your mom?" Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2014 #19
I recently had retinal surgery tavernier Jan 2014 #20
Capitalism at its zenith: f*ck over the public free of governmental oversight, regulation, or indepat Jan 2014 #21
+1 a shit load! Enthusiast Jan 2014 #25
people will die due to no access SHRED Jan 2014 #23
Capitalism in action frwrfpos Jan 2014 #24
"There are alternative (and less expensive) treatments for Hepatitis C already available." Hoyt Jan 2014 #26
The other treatment for HCV... SHRED Jan 2014 #28
If true, that certainly changes things. Hoyt Jan 2014 #31
It is true and easy to verify online SHRED Jan 2014 #34
Does it change things 300,000%? El_Johns Jan 2014 #52
Aside from obscene profits and medicaid... Chakaconcarne Jan 2014 #27
My eye drops are $28,000 per liter. Manifestor_of_Light Jan 2014 #29
"Your money or your life" standard blackmail. SunSeeker Jan 2014 #30
Makes ya wonder how these big pharma assholes sleep at night Submariner Jan 2014 #32
This is very typical $ for rheumatoid arthritis, and that will kill you just as dead. jtuck004 Jan 2014 #33
And no Single Payer. Just shitty RomneyCare leftovers. Thanks for fighting for us, BHO. blkmusclmachine Jan 2014 #35
Doesn't "Gilead Sciences" sound like one of those evil Robocop-type future corporations? El_Johns Jan 2014 #39
Totally does ... in the movie, the nefarious CEO would be played by James Cromwell brett_jv Jan 2014 #42
Big Pharma = criminal enterprises! LuckyLib Jan 2014 #40
My daughter was taking Soliris Bombero1956 Jan 2014 #41
$10,000.00 for pre-chemo shot. JNelson6563 Jan 2014 #44
Gilead. Rumsfeld used to be its chairman, so, of course, Gilead are thieves and own a piece of valerief Jan 2014 #45
That is not the only one. unionguy Jan 2014 #46
They are an actual ship full of cannibal rats. hunter Jan 2014 #47
My daughter's treatment for porphyria was $4000 each. freebrew Jan 2014 #48
Attacking big pharma and health "care" delivery costs!? That's just... "woo!" villager Jan 2014 #54
No it isn't, learn the meaning of the word "woo" before you post further, Humanist_Activist Feb 2014 #61
alas, the embarassment is all yours villager Feb 2014 #62
OK, then explain to me how being concerned with rising costs of health care... Humanist_Activist Feb 2014 #66
Ha, Ha, Ha fascisthunter Feb 2014 #65
What I find amazing is that people complain about the costs of prescription drugs... Humanist_Activist Feb 2014 #67
oh...who does that? Are we off topic? fascisthunter Feb 2014 #70
What is the Non-Recurring Engineering Cost per pill? One_Life_To_Give Jan 2014 #55
beyond obscene niyad Jan 2014 #57
Preditory capitalizm at its best. Sick greedy asshole sociopaths! L0oniX Feb 2014 #63
That's enough to make me stop complaining about my glucose test strips n/t IDemo Feb 2014 #64
This is a perfect example of ProSense Feb 2014 #69

siligut

(12,272 posts)
2. Yes, well, they need the money to pay the executives
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 04:41 PM
Jan 2014

The first value is salary, bonuses, etc. The second is income from exercising stock options


Dr. John C. Martin Ph.D., 62
Chairman and Chief Exec. Officer 4.88M 77.12M

Dr. John F. Milligan Ph.D., 53
Pres and Chief Operating Officer 2.38M 13.60M

Ms. Robin L. Washington , 51
Chief Financial Officer, Principal Accounting Officer and Exec. VP 1.43M 2.92M

Dr. Norbert W. Bischofberger Ph.D., 58
Chief Scientific Officer and Exec. VP of R&D 1.80M 0.00

Mr. Kevin B. Young CBE, 56
Exec. VP of Commercial Operations 1.67M 22.06M

Amounts are as of Dec 31, 2012 and compensation values are for the last fiscal year ending on that date. Pay is salary, bonuses, etc. Exercised is the value of options exercised during the fiscal year.
Currency in USD.
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/pr?s=GILD+Profile

siligut

(12,272 posts)
7. There is a hep C treatment vaccine in the works now . . .
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 05:08 PM
Jan 2014

So far clinical testing has been in Korea, but clinical testing in the US will start this year. I am thinking Gilead wants to get their money out of their $11 billion purchase of Pharmasset before the vaccines are approved.

Yes, Big Pharma executive salaries are obscene. Some people like to say the high cost of medicine is an attempt to recoup the costs of R&D, but one look at CEO compensation and we know that certainly isn't the whole story.

Nictuku

(3,617 posts)
9. Keep in mind this tidbit: their salaries are tax deductable
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 05:16 PM
Jan 2014

... and there are ways to defer taxes on stock dividends (I think forever under current tax code)

siligut

(12,272 posts)
16. GILD doesn't pay dividends, but they are 99% owned by institutions
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 05:36 PM
Jan 2014

And the price per share has risen 228% in the past 2 yrs with a 2 for 1 split in January of last year.

 

El_Johns

(1,805 posts)
59. Thanks again. Very helpful, already I find that Gilead's 2nd-largest holder, FMC LLC is controlled
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 03:33 PM
Jan 2014

Last edited Fri Jan 31, 2014, 04:13 PM - Edit history (1)

by the Johnson family:

"The founding Johnson family controls Fidelity; Abigail Johnson, CEO Ned Johnson's daughter and one of America's wealthiest women, is its largest single shareholder."

http://biz.yahoo.com/ic/40/40150.html


FMR LLC (Fidelity Management and Research) or Fidelity Investments is an American multinational financial services corporation. It is one of the largest mutual fund and financial services groups in the world. Founded in 1946, the company has since served North American investors

Fidelity is a privately held company founded by Edward C. Johnson II in 1946, which is owned by employees and the Johnson family. Fidelity Management & Research Company, the US investment management division of Fidelity Investments, acts as the investment adviser to Fidelity's family of mutual funds...

The founding Johnson family, individually and through various trusts, owns stock representing a 49% voting interest in FMR, and have signed agreements pledging to vote all their shares as a bloc. Edward "Ned" C. Johnson 3rd is chairman of the group. His daughter, Abigail Johnson, was once the largest single shareholder with about 25%, but in October 2005, it was reported that she had sold a "significant" portion of her shares to family trusts, and that there are doubts as to whether she is still in line to succeed her father.[5] Most of the remaining 51% voting interest is held by various Fidelity employees. Fidelity is presumed under the Investment Company Act of 1940 to be controlled by the Johnson family.[6]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fidelity_Investments


And Edward Crosby Johnson is from a Boston Brahmin family.

Edward C. Johnson 2d

Edward C. Johnson 2d "began his long association with the world of finance in 1935 when, as a practicing lawyer with the firm of Ropes, Gray, Boyden & Perkins (now Ropes & Gray), he began handling the legal affairs of Incorporated Investors, then one of Boston's largest investment companies. Four years later, he quit law and joined the investment firm as treasurer. In 1943, he became president and director of Fidelity Fund, a small ($3 million) Boston outfit." This became FMR Corporation, the financial services holding company that includes the Fidelity group. His son, Edward C. Johnson 3d, succeeded him as its head. "A Boston Brahmin, Mr. Johnson was born Edward Crosby Johnson 2d in a townhouse on Beacon street, Back Bay, on Jan. 19, 1898, the son of Samuel Johnson, a partner in a leading dry-goods firm [C.F. Hovey & Company], and Josephine (Forbush) Johnson. His ancestors came to this country in 1635 and were among the early settlers of Essex County. He was a graduate of Milton Academy, Harvard College, class of 1920, and Harvard Law School in 1924. During World War I, he served overseas with the Navy as an electrician's mate. Between college and law school he studied for a year at Harvard Business School. Following law school, he joined Ropes, Gray." (Edward Johnson 2d, Retired Board Chairman at Fidelity. Boston Globe, Apr. 4, 1984.) Edward Crosby Johnson 2d's father, Samuel Johnson, was the son of Dr. Amos Howe Johnson. Edward C. Johnson 2d married Elsie Livingston Johnson, whose father, Reginald Mansfield Johnson, was the son of Rev. Francis Howe Johnson. (Samuel Johnson. New York Times, Aug. 28, 1932; Miss Julia Edwards Weds R.M. Johnson. New York Times, Jul. 3, 1902; R.K. West's Master List.)
R.K. West's Master List / Rootsweb

The Johnsons' grandfathers, Dr. Amos and Rev. Francis Johnson, were brothers, whose sister, Mary Ann, married Prof. Austin Phelps of Andover Theological Seminary. Edward Johnson Phelps, Skull & Bones 1886, was their son. He was secretary, treasurer, and general manager of the Northern Trust Safe Deposit Company of Chicago from 1895 to 1929, president and a director from 1923 to 1929. He represented the Yale Club of Chicago on the Alumni Board from 1910 to 1916, and was a member of the Board of Education of New Trier Township High School from 1918-1923. (Genealogical and Personal Memoirs Relating to the Families of the State of Massachusetts. By William Richard Cutter, William Frederick Adams. Lewis Historical Publishing Company, 1910; Bulletin of Yale University. Obituary Record of Graduates of Yale University Deceased during the Year 1938-1939, pp. 53-54.)

http://www.smokershistory.com/Perkins.html

I also find that Edward Crosby Johnson II (Abigail's father) married his second cousin, which presumably kept the family money in the family.

eepatt

(21 posts)
11. R & D IS Expensive, but
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 05:19 PM
Jan 2014

It does take money to do the research and testing needed to bring a new drug to market, and that is usually the excuse big pharma gives for charging outrageous prices. It would be interesting to see how much is spent on R & D compared the the advertising budget for the different prescription drugs. The difference between big pharmaceutical corporations and illegal drug pushers? Illegal drug pushers must have ethics. (We might not like their ethics, but at least they have some!)

arikara

(5,562 posts)
22. Most of pharmas research
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 06:14 PM
Jan 2014

Is market research. They rarely bring out something new, all they do now is change a molecule in something already on the market so they can patent it again.

And as for testing, they go to slums in third world countries and pay a few people who don't even necessarily have the condition a pittance to take the pill then call it a test. And worse yet, our crooked governments accept it. I guess because the panels are stacked with ex pharma folk.

They are filthy greedy crooks. IMHO.

AllyCat

(16,218 posts)
43. Those ads are playing constantly
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 08:50 AM
Jan 2014

I cannot imagine what they are paying. Add in salaries for ayear of "work" the rest of us won't see in a lifetime of labor and the R/D excuse has a lot less bite.

 

El_Johns

(1,805 posts)
49. They spend more on advertising by a long shot.
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 02:01 PM
Jan 2014

Big Pharma might be working a lot harder to sell you products than to develop new ones.

Prescription drug companies aren't putting a lot of resources toward new, groundbreaking medication, according to a recent report in BMJ, a medical journal based in London. Instead, it's more profitable for them to simply to create a bunch of products that are only slightly different from drugs already on the market, the reports authors said.

"Pharmaceutical research and development turns out mostly minor variations on existing drugs," the authors write. "Sales from these drugs generate steady profits throughout the ups and downs of blockbusters coming off patents."

The authors go on to say that for every dollar pharmaceutical companies spend on "basic research," $19 goes toward promotion and marketing.

The BMJ study isn't the first time pharmaceutical companies have been accused of putting their own profits ahead of the health of their customers. Lexchin, a professor at York University's School of Health Policy and Management, was the co-author of another study in 2008 that argued that pharmaceutical companies spend almost twice as much on promotion as they do on research and development.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/09/pharmaceutical-companies-marketing_n_1760380.html


Government does most of the basic R&D for pharma.


Industry R&D risks and costs are often significantly reduced by taxpayer-funded research, which has helped launch the most medically important drugs in recent years and many of the best-selling drugs, including all of the top five sellers in one recent year surveyed (1995).

An internal National Institutes of Health (NIH) document, obtained by Public Citizen through the Freedom of Information Act, shows how crucial taxpayer-funded research is to top-selling drugs. According to the NIH, taxpayer-funded scientists conducted 55 percent of the research projects that led to the discovery and development of the top five selling drugs in 1995. (See Section III)

https://www.citizen.org/publications/release.cfm?ID=7065



 

proudretiredvet

(312 posts)
37. It is pure greed and it is very wrong but....
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 10:55 PM
Jan 2014

It will never make it right but the cost of production is not the only cost they have to recover. Research, development, and FDA testing costs are also out there and they will need to recover them as well. This does not justify the cost that they are trying to charge.

 

El_Johns

(1,805 posts)
50. Government does the majority of basic R&D for big pharma.
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 02:05 PM
Jan 2014

Industry R&D risks and costs are often significantly reduced by taxpayer-funded research, which has helped launch the most medically important drugs in recent years and many of the best-selling drugs, including all of the top five sellers in one recent year surveyed (1995).

An internal National Institutes of Health (NIH) document, obtained by Public Citizen through the Freedom of Information Act, shows how crucial taxpayer-funded research is to top-selling drugs. According to the NIH, taxpayer-funded scientists conducted 55 percent of the research projects that led to the discovery and development of the top five selling drugs in 1995. (See Section III)

https://www.citizen.org/publications/release.cfm?ID=7065



 

proudretiredvet

(312 posts)
60. OK, the top 5 selling drugs.
Sun Feb 2, 2014, 01:10 AM
Feb 2014

I have some experience in this industry. If you have a product that is not going to be sold by one of the big pharm companies good luck finding research money and or marketing money.
Your statement of the top five selling drugs rang a big bell for me. If the drugs were not aimed at a big market then they didn't make it into the realm of government funding for research. There have been some remarkable drugs and substances that were awarded patients and made it through animal testing, with great results, and then failed to go forward due to the fact that big pharm did not own them and would not realize any of the profits.
Big pharm is the worst of the big business entities when it comes to monopolizing profits.

whatthehey

(3,660 posts)
10. gouging of course, but percentages are deceptive
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 05:18 PM
Jan 2014

This is a not rare but not usual case in pharma where we can easily cut through the claims of R&D spending. Here that was subsumed completely into an $11B buy in.

So the company is $11B in the hole before they sell pill 1.

It goes for $84,000 per treatment and costs pretty much $25 to make if that % is true.

That makes breakeven assuming zero SGA (impossible) at 130,991 treatments. They only start to contribute to overhead at the 130,992nd full price treatment.

Now we can't cut through SGA obfuscation so we can maybe take an average. The company's overall gross margin is 75% and net margin is 28% so this means they have 47% overhead/revenue.

So far so bad for Gilead. But there is good (for them) to come. 3.2million people in the US deal with Hep C. Uptake of treatment data is hard to find in the US but in Canada is about 24-25%. That's probably higher than the US as their coverage is better but let's use it. That means about 800,000 people will seek treatment in the US.

Obviously I have no clue based on comparable efficacy what their proposed share is, as I'm neither an MD or a pharma marketing guy, but let's pick 50% penetration and they would have a $33.6B business (400,000 treatments). Manufacturing would cost them just $10MM but SGA would cost that 47% or $15.8B. They would make then $17.8B but need to pay back $11B in investment for net profit of $6.8B - about 20% return if they get 50% of the market.

Of course if they can lower SGA ratio (probably can as a new drug doesn't add an entire new set of overhead. There's more salespeople and marketing and Finance brand folks and whatnot but still only one CEO, one HQ office etc) and keep the prices going after competition comes in (probably can't for long) then year over year it will get better, but still, while it's great cake and nice profit, it's not 279000%. It's important not to assume price-direct costs is profit, especially in the massively overherhead-laden pharma industry and with an 11 figure upfront ante to pay off.

And while executive salaries are certainly obscene and undeserved, we need perspective there too. Even if we assume every penny of the above is checks written by Gilead (not true of course - stock options are only a fraction of value received) the total would be about 1.2% of Gilead's revenue and 5% of its overhead costs.



kristopher

(29,798 posts)
18. They grossly overpaid for the Pharmasset and now want to hold the sick hostage for their greed
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 05:38 PM
Jan 2014

The stock was already up 240% in anticipation of this drug and Gilead jumped in with an offer almost double that. This absurd pricing is the result.
If there is any justice the government cap will work to push Gilead into bankruptcy and the assets will be picked up and marketed at a reasonable price relative to the costs of development.

Welcome to DU.

Stuart G

(38,439 posts)
12. I hope this one gets "World Wide Coverage"..everywhere
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 05:20 PM
Jan 2014

It won't. Every TV station in the world should have this on. Unrestrained Greed.....


When you think you have seen it all.........there is more...

JackHughes

(166 posts)
13. Indian pharmacies
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 05:24 PM
Jan 2014

India does not recognize pharmaceutical patents -- and good for them!

As a result, prescriptions costing hundreds or thousands of dollars a month in the US can be bought via mail order for just just a tiny fraction of the extortion-level prices charged even for their American (or Canadian) counterparts. The quality is just as good.

This is the most closely guarded secret in American health care. It's shocking that American doctors do not pass this information along to their cash-strapped patients.

 

NobodyHere

(2,810 posts)
38. There's also hardly any innovation in Indian Pharmacies either.
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 11:05 PM
Jan 2014

They just copy or reverse-engineer what others have done.

Brainstormy

(2,381 posts)
15. Unconscionable
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 05:34 PM
Jan 2014

but if we only knew, the vast majority of drugs probably have this kind of obscene markup. How long ago do you think Big Pharma recovered the R&D on the birth control pill, for example. But it's way more expensive than it was 35 years ago.

 

sulphurdunn

(6,891 posts)
17. Those behind this sort of maneuver
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 05:37 PM
Jan 2014

are mass murderers. Using price to deny life saving drugs is no different that standing people against a wall and shooting them, except that there's no current profit incentive to do that or they'd find some way to do it now.

tavernier

(12,398 posts)
20. I recently had retinal surgery
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 05:57 PM
Jan 2014

and two of the prescribed eye drops were $150 each. I asked my surgeon if they were made out of gold, at which point he told me a story about a recent med (also eye drop) that had been prescribed to patients with glaucoma... Not expensive, but with good results. I think he said something like 30 bucks a bottle. Anyway, long story short, they began noticing improvement in their patients with macular degeneration, up until then, an affliction that no drops had improved, so they started to order it for this purpose. As soon as the pharm that produced these drops got wind of this, they upped the price to some obscene amount... $1500 per bottle rings a bell but I can't swear to that... Could have been more.

Anyway, he said he and his colleagues were furious when they discovered this and were working to have it changed, but in the mean time, his patients who might benefit cannot afford it. He was quite livid as he told me this and he didn't mince words when he described them.

indepat

(20,899 posts)
21. Capitalism at its zenith: f*ck over the public free of governmental oversight, regulation, or
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 06:06 PM
Jan 2014

control. Yeah USA. Go bidness, for the bidness of America is bidness 'cause government is in the bidness of being of, by, and for bidness.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
26. "There are alternative (and less expensive) treatments for Hepatitis C already available."
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 06:30 PM
Jan 2014

Leaving the drug off the formularies is the right thing to do if the article is correct about other drugs being available.

One of the biggest costs in health care is new drugs that do little -- if anything -- to improve patient outcomes.

Unfortunately, in other circumstances, people complain about the insurer refusing to cover the drugs.
 

SHRED

(28,136 posts)
28. The other treatment for HCV...
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 06:52 PM
Jan 2014

...is interferon based. A nasty drug with many adverse side effects. Many people can't tolerate it.

For those in the Gilead drug trials the new drug has been a life saver with little to no side effects.

 

El_Johns

(1,805 posts)
52. Does it change things 300,000%?
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 02:14 PM
Jan 2014

Gilead is the equivalent of people hawking bottled water to the victims of the W. Va chemical spill at $300,000 a bottle.

Chakaconcarne

(2,462 posts)
27. Aside from obscene profits and medicaid...
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 06:52 PM
Jan 2014

Here is another problem..... Prisoners, mental health patients in very large numbers (80-90%) have Hep C.. Most (if not all) states cannot deny treatment to these patients. They (states) will not be able to deny this treatment and it will put a huge burden on state resources.

 

Manifestor_of_Light

(21,046 posts)
29. My eye drops are $28,000 per liter.
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 06:54 PM
Jan 2014

They are anti-inflammatory for allergies, no new drugs in them. Just some kind of corticosteroid.

Five milliliters goes for $140.00.



Submariner

(12,509 posts)
32. Makes ya wonder how these big pharma assholes sleep at night
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 09:03 PM
Jan 2014

These pharma guys must go to some university for a PhD in predatory practices..How to fuck over your fellow human and feel good about it 101.

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
33. This is very typical $ for rheumatoid arthritis, and that will kill you just as dead.
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 09:15 PM
Jan 2014

Last edited Thu Jan 30, 2014, 10:02 PM - Edit history (1)

And it's way up there in the pain-inducing category.

It's the industry, and why we get the results we do compared to other places.

Wonder what it would have been like had NAFTA opened our borders to Doctors and other professionals? Would be a lot more choice at lower cost out there, people who give perfectly adequate care outside of this country now.

But I digress


 

El_Johns

(1,805 posts)
39. Doesn't "Gilead Sciences" sound like one of those evil Robocop-type future corporations?
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 11:29 PM
Jan 2014

These people are beyond fucked up.


Board of directors

Carla A. Hills (former HUD Secretary)
John F. Cogan, PhD
Étienne Davignon (former VP of the European Commission)
Gayle Edlund Wilson (ex-Gov of California Pete Wilson's wife)
George P. Shultz (emeritus) (former Sec. of State, etc.)
John C. Martin (CEO)
Nicholas G. Moore (Wells-Fargo CEO, Bush-Cheney 2004)
Paul Berg (Nobel laureate in chemistry)

Don Rumsfeld was a former long-term board member too.

brett_jv

(1,245 posts)
42. Totally does ... in the movie, the nefarious CEO would be played by James Cromwell
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 02:00 AM
Jan 2014

With that BoD they sound like the Carlyle Group of pharmaceuticals.

This shit makes me FURIOUS.

How can this shit be legal? Insurance companies have big bucks too ... why wouldn't they fight this kinda crap through the courts and lobbyists, I wonder?

Bombero1956

(3,539 posts)
41. My daughter was taking Soliris
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 01:00 AM
Jan 2014

Cost per dose $17,000. Cost for one year of treatments $500,000. She lucked out when the hospital and manufacturer donated the drug and services so she could test it for them.

JNelson6563

(28,151 posts)
44. $10,000.00 for pre-chemo shot.
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 10:21 AM
Jan 2014

My co-worker had breast cancer and had a lumpectomy. She had to have chemo and for every session she had to have a shot that was nearly ten grand. What in the hell could possibly be so rare, so valuable that a syringe of it costs 10,000.00???

Julie

valerief

(53,235 posts)
45. Gilead. Rumsfeld used to be its chairman, so, of course, Gilead are thieves and own a piece of
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 11:10 AM
Jan 2014

the US govt.

unionguy

(6 posts)
46. That is not the only one.
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 11:19 AM
Jan 2014

I go every week to get a shot for an autoimmune problem. I get about 200 micrograms. Take a syringe as round as a pencil and put a quarter inch in it. $2500.00 a shot, I've been going for 2 years, that works out to $260,000.00, that is just for the medication. Think they are making money? It's insane what these companies are doing. We need Lizzie Warren to turn an eye their direction also.

hunter

(38,326 posts)
47. They are an actual ship full of cannibal rats.
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 12:37 PM
Jan 2014

A real government would nationalize the corporation and release the patents.

These corporations need something to be scared of.

Unfortunately, they own the government too.

Pharmaceutical research ought to be heavily funded by the government and released to the world free of charge. With just a fraction of the money we spend on offensive weapons (like aircraft carriers and predator drones...) the U.S.A. could be making friends and allies everywhere.

Save someone's life with an innovative pharmaceutical, make dozens of friends. Blow someone up using a predator drone, make dozens of enemies.

freebrew

(1,917 posts)
48. My daughter's treatment for porphyria was $4000 each.
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 01:14 PM
Jan 2014

It took 22 treatments to clear an attack that should have been avoided entirely.

The drug: Panhematin, only used here in the US. All other countries I'm aware of use the much cheaper Heme Argenate, but not recommended treatment here. Prolly not enough Profit$?

 

villager

(26,001 posts)
54. Attacking big pharma and health "care" delivery costs!? That's just... "woo!"
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 02:34 PM
Jan 2014

You should try to be more rational!
 

Humanist_Activist

(7,670 posts)
61. No it isn't, learn the meaning of the word "woo" before you post further,
Sun Feb 2, 2014, 04:22 AM
Feb 2014

To avoid future embarrassment.

 

Humanist_Activist

(7,670 posts)
66. OK, then explain to me how being concerned with rising costs of health care...
Sun Feb 2, 2014, 12:28 PM
Feb 2014

and the obscene profit margins and markups of all aspect of health care system is irrational?

Can you explain this, or just admit you used the word woo in a context it quite literally makes no sense in.

http://www.skepdic.com/woowoo.html

 

Humanist_Activist

(7,670 posts)
67. What I find amazing is that people complain about the costs of prescription drugs...
Sun Feb 2, 2014, 12:32 PM
Feb 2014

Yet will happily pay up to a couple of dollars a pill for flour in a capsule.

One_Life_To_Give

(6,036 posts)
55. What is the Non-Recurring Engineering Cost per pill?
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 02:38 PM
Jan 2014

Evaluating the cost of just production is like stating a book is the value of paper and ink alone.

We need to know what the total one time R&D costs were and expect that to be recouped over the first 3-5 yrs of production. At 17,000 new cases per year. Even if they are all treated for $84k/ea would be appropriate for an upfront R&D expense of $4.5Billion.

Too high perhaps. But there is insufficient data to determine just where the appropriate return on investment should be.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
69. This is a perfect example of
Sun Feb 2, 2014, 12:42 PM
Feb 2014
While the approval of Sovaldi and similar treatments is a welcomed advancement for people in need of better treatment for Hepatitis C, the unjustifiably high price manufacturers are seeking to charge for these medications will unnecessarily drive up health care costs and limit access to potentially lifesaving care. Therefore, AHF urgently requests that your Medicaid program deny Sovaldi and other new Hepatitis C medications from being added to your state formulary until these drugs are made affordable.

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Finally, Gilead did not pay to research and develop Sovaldi. In 2011, it purchased Pharmasset, the company that had already developed the drug, for $11 billion in cash.The pricing of Sovaldi is being driven by Gilead’s desire to recoup its investment in Pharmasset, and assumes it can accomplish this by charging Medicaid and other taxpayer-funded programs whatever it wants.

Private drug plans have taken notice of these facts—along with community outrage over the cost of Sovaldi—and have delayed paying for the drug until Gilead agrees to significantly lower the price. For example, Express Scripts, CVS Caremark, Catamaran Inc., and Aetna are all taking steps to block or delay the use of Sovaldi.3 Given this, AHF believes it is imprudent for your state to cover this medication until a better price is available.

... the predatory practices of drug companies. Note this is about Medicaid, which has one of the strongest drug-pricing policies in place. This company simply decided to price its drug at whatever the hell it wants to.

The ACA increased the Medicaid rebate percentage.
http://www.medicaid.gov/AffordableCareAct/Timeline/Timeline.html

Medicaid Drug Rebate Program

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The Medicaid Drug Rebate Program is a partnership between CMS, State Medicaid Agencies, and participating drug manufacturers that helps to offset the Federal and State costs of most outpatient prescription drugs dispensed to Medicaid patients. Approximately 600 drug manufacturers currently participate in this program. All fifty States and the District of Columbia cover prescription drugs under the Medicaid Drug Rebate Program, which is authorized by Section 1927 of the Social Security Act.

The program requires a drug manufacturer to enter into, and have in effect, a national rebate agreement with the Secretary of the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) in exchange for State Medicaid coverage of most of the manufacturer’s drugs. When a manufacturers markets a new drug and electronically lists it with the FDA, they must also submit the drug to the Drug Data Reporting (DDR) system. This ensures that states are aware of the newly marketed drug. In addition, Section II(g) of the Rebate Agreement explains that labelers are responsible for notifying states of a new drug’s coverage. Labelers are required to report all covered outpatient drugs under their labeler code to the Medicaid Drug Rebate Program. They may not be selective in reporting their NDC's to the program. Manufacturers are then responsible for paying a rebate on those drugs each time that they are dispensed to Medicaid patients. These rebates are paid by drug manufacturers on a quarterly basis and are shared between the States and the Federal government to offset the overall cost of prescription drugs under the Medicaid Program.

http://www.medicaid.gov/Medicaid-CHIP-Program-Information/By-Topics/Benefits/Prescription-Drugs/Medicaid-Drug-Rebate-Program.html


Issue Brief - Medicare Drug Negotiation and Rebates

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Best Price. A third argument is that it makes sense for Medicare to receive the best price available for prescription drugs, just like Medicaid and the VA. In Medicaid, the drug manufacturer provides the federal government discounts for drugs, which are shared with the states. The discount is either the minimum drug amount or an amount based on the best price paid by private drug purchasers, whichever is less. Current law requires drug companies to charge Medicaid 23 percent less than the average price they receive for the sale of a drug to retail pharmacies. Drug companies also must provide another discount if a drug’s price rises faster than the rate of inflation (Thomas and Pear, 2013)...Medicaid rebates, if applied to Part D, would save the federal government money. According to a 2011 study conducted by the Office of the Inspector General (OIG) for the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, Medicaid rebates were three times greater than the discounts negotiated by Part D for 100 brand name drugs. In 68 of these drugs, Medicaid rebates were twice as high as rebates granted by the drug companies for Medicare drugs (OIG HHS, 2011; Hulsey, 2013). Similarly, a 2008 study of drug pricing information by the U.S. House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform found that Part D paid, on average, 30 percent more for drugs than Medicaid (Hulsey, 2013).

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http://www.ncpssm.org/PublicPolicy/Medicare/Documents/ArticleID/1138/Issue-Brief-Medicare-Drug-Negotiation-and-Rebates







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